Are the lines of Linna and Mary Hughes proven? Do we know they were sisters? George Hughes (1742 - 1795) was born in Buffalo Creek. George married Jemimah Timmons (1750 - 1850!!!!). George died in Newberry, SC and Jemimah dies in Bartow Ga, So this make sense for this family. Isaac's Mary Polly was born in 1880 in Newberry. Makes sense. James's Linna was born 1773 in the same area - also makes sense. Now AncestryDNA is matching up for a couple people a Hughes line going up through a Mary Polly 1770 who was born in Buffalo Creek and many trees show her parents as George and Jemimah. Do you think we have two different Mary Poly Hughes from the same parents? Thanks/Lenny

In all this discussion, I haven't seen any mention of Young Lovelace (1766-1841). I know we don't know who his parents were, but I don't want him left out of the MD Lovelaces. According to DNA testing he was related to John Baptist and other of the MD group. Thanks for all your research and continued discussion. Carolyn On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > If we were to create a list for an autosomal project, ideally the list > would have a GEDMatch Kit #, the kit# of the testing source (ftDNA, > 23andMe, AncestryDNA) and the most distant proven Lovel*** ancestor up to > being born around 1700 +/- along with the path to that ancestor. This > could be done on a Google Doc where we just add our own. > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Margaret Lovelace via < > lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I haven't had anything to say in this discussion because my Maryland > > Lovelace line went to the 96th District in South Carolina but in reading > > through the discussions it occurred to me that my sister has taken the > > autosomal DNA test recently and it is posted in the Ancestry data base. > My > > brother's, Charles Alonzo Lovelace, Y- DNA results are posted on the > > Lovelace DNA project. How do I (or do I) get Sister Mary's on the > Lovelace > > autosomal DNA list? > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On Jun 27, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Jack D. Lovelace via < > lovelace@rootsweb.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Lou Ann, > > > > > > I think that you are confusing Y-DNA testing with Autosomal DNA > testing. > > > > > > Y-DNA testing works only on the Y chromosome and can tell if two > > > individuals come from the same paternal line. > > > > > > Autosomal DNA testing works on the other 21 pairs of chromosomes (which > > > an individual gets from both parents). From what I understand about > the > > > process, you need test results from at least three individuals in order > > > to establish a relationship. One of which must be a close relative; > > > i.e. a sibling or a parent. > > > > > >> On 6/27/2016 9:45 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: > > >> Will someone help me out here, what Thomas could possibly give the > above > > >> "consistent results". > > >> To my knowledge we don't have a line with a Thomas of that generation > > being > > >> part of the DNA > > >> tests. Help. Have I missed something. > > >> Lou Ann > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Jack D. Lovelace > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I had not read this thread before I posted my previous email--sorry! I will see if I can figure out how to post my sister's results onFTDNA and Genmatch. I may be back asking for help! Sent from my iPad > On Jun 27, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Sherry Mack via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I'll second all of Lenny's tips. I've done exactly that method for the > three autosomal kits that I've had done, purchased at ancestry and > transferred to FTDNA & gedmatch. I've broke down few brickwalls through > triangulation. I'm much closer on the Loveless line, and on others I'm > missing a few generations between my known ancestor and their progenitor > that I've confirmed from dna triangulation. If nothing else, it gives you > a great lead on where to start chasing the paper trail. > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> I have used autosomal tests to break through the backside of may brick >> walls. But if you take the test at AncestryDNA and do nothing else with >> it, you won't get much value. >> >> for it to be valuable you have to do chromosome mapping and identify >> specific segments you match others on, and triangulate - same segment from >> three not to closely related cousins goes to a common ancestor. >> >> What I now recommend is to test at AncestryDNA and then port the data for >> free to GedMatch.com. For a bonus, spend another $40 and port the data >> to ftDNA where you can do chromosome mapping/matching against their >> database. >> >> MyHeritage has a new offering to import DNA data which I haven't explored >> yet. I am hoping they they will also offer chromosome mapping and tree >> matching (best of all worlds). >> >> If you do AncestryDNA and nothing else you will get confirmation of your >> tree, and where you don't find matches especially in the 4th-6th cousin >> areas, it may mean your tree is wrong for various reasons. They do >> provide a list of people you may be related to that are not in your tree. >> I have found they are mostly cousins, uncles and aunts and their spouses. >> >> However, one of those hints helped lead me to the right branch of Lovel***s >> to research for my father-in-law Tom Cates. >> >> Here is a set of blog posts with good info about using GEDMatch: >> http://blog.kittycooper.com/tag/gedmatch/ >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Bruce Reeves via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> >> wrote: >> >>> i have had zero success with the autosomal test - it proved people i >>> already knew - but in all other cases - it shows relationships many >>> generations closer than they actually could possibly be... perhaps i am >>> unique - in multiple branches of my family there are multiple cross >>> connections creating double and triple and quadruple duplicate >>> relationships for a given pair of individuals - i believe this is causing >>> the dna to "be confused". so i'm sure i'm related to these people, but >> the >>> knkowledge that they exist at this point is not getting either of us past >>> our brick walls to get to each other ... perhaps someday it may help. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Andrew Lovelace via < >>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> General question to the group... what is your thoughts about having the >>>> autosomal test. It appears to help with only the immediate unknown >>> family >>>> members and maybe the first 5, or so, generations, right? My current >>>> test >>>> is Y-DNA67 Thomas Lovelace, Kit 7553. >>>> >>>> Just looking for some overall opinions... >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Andy >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't had anything to say in this discussion because my Maryland Lovelace line went to the 96th District in South Carolina but in reading through the discussions it occurred to me that my sister has taken the autosomal DNA test recently and it is posted in the Ancestry data base. My brother's, Charles Alonzo Lovelace, Y- DNA results are posted on the Lovelace DNA project. How do I (or do I) get Sister Mary's on the Lovelace autosomal DNA list? Sent from my iPad > On Jun 27, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Jack D. Lovelace via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Lou Ann, > > I think that you are confusing Y-DNA testing with Autosomal DNA testing. > > Y-DNA testing works only on the Y chromosome and can tell if two > individuals come from the same paternal line. > > Autosomal DNA testing works on the other 21 pairs of chromosomes (which > an individual gets from both parents). From what I understand about the > process, you need test results from at least three individuals in order > to establish a relationship. One of which must be a close relative; > i.e. a sibling or a parent. > >> On 6/27/2016 9:45 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: >> Will someone help me out here, what Thomas could possibly give the above >> "consistent results". >> To my knowledge we don't have a line with a Thomas of that generation being >> part of the DNA >> tests. Help. Have I missed something. >> Lou Ann > > -- > > Jack D. Lovelace > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh my, now I'm getting more confused than ever. I'm going to go back and revisit all my notes, but I know right now that there is nothing that gives evidence for a lot' of this. Lou Ann PS: When you post a message could you sign it. I don't know if it's the way rootsweb is set up now or if it's my mail, but I can't always tell who these messages are from. Thanks a bunch. In a message dated 6/27/16 9:24:49 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > Lovelace, Abraham (#36511) (c1710-b1790) >     married Mary McClain (c1710-c1770) c1732 >     father of:  1) Mary, 2) Cleta, 3) Edward, 4) Samuel, 5) William, >         6)  John (1740-1816) > > Lovelace, Benjamin (#7137) (1714-xxxx) No parents > > Lovelace, Benjamin (#47245) (1727-c1785) (son of Thomas (1709-xxxx) >     married Sarah (1735-c1798) c1751 >     father of: >         1)  Nathaniel >         2)  Alkana >         3)  Barton >         4)  Zadock >         5)  Reason >         6)  Sarah >         7)  Benjamin >     The male descendants of Benjamin are in the Maryland DYS456(16) > sub-group, so I assume that the line runs as follows: >     A)  Thomas Loveless (c1640-xxxx), the transportee >       B)  Faustus Lovelace (c1867-c1718) >         C)  Thomas Lovelace (1709-xxxx) (referred to as Thomas the Orphan) >           D)  Benjamin (#47245) (1727-1785) >     This is probably not the way that Lou Ann sees it. > > Lovelace, Samuel (#5150) (1732-c1799) (son of John (#71827) (1698-xxx)) >     wife unknown >     father of: >         1)  Pryor (b:1760-1765-d:c1835) >         2)  Zachariah (b:1760-1765-d:1844) >         3)  Elizabeth (b:1785-1789-d:c1829) >         4)  George (c1787-1869) >         5)  Samuel R. (c1789-c1855) > > Lovelace, Samuel (#89377) (a1733-xxxx) (son of Abraham (#36511) & Mary > McClain) > > Lovelace, Samuel (#35645) (a1741-s1789) (son of William (1720-b1790)) >     died in South Carolina > > Lovelace, Samuel (#23773) (c1797-xxxx) (son of William (1760-1810)) >     married Barbara Ellen Lucas (c1797-xxxx) 07 Feb 1818 > x > > On 6/27/2016 2:22 PM, Lenny Darnell via wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:58 PM, <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> Then we have five more Lovelace men of the next generation.  These are > >> John, Samuel, > >> Benjamin, Abraham, and Thomas. > > > > >

In a message dated 6/27/16 9:24:49 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > Lovelace, Abraham (#36511) (c1710-b1790) >     married Mary McClain (c1710-c1770) c1732 >     father of:  1) Mary, 2) Cleta, 3) Edward, 4) Samuel, 5) William, >         6)  John (1740-1816) > Where did you find all these kids for Abraham? Lou Ann

If we were to create a list for an autosomal project, ideally the list would have a GEDMatch Kit #, the kit# of the testing source (ftDNA, 23andMe, AncestryDNA) and the most distant proven Lovel*** ancestor up to being born around 1700 +/- along with the path to that ancestor. This could be done on a Google Doc where we just add our own. On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Margaret Lovelace via < lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I haven't had anything to say in this discussion because my Maryland > Lovelace line went to the 96th District in South Carolina but in reading > through the discussions it occurred to me that my sister has taken the > autosomal DNA test recently and it is posted in the Ancestry data base. My > brother's, Charles Alonzo Lovelace, Y- DNA results are posted on the > Lovelace DNA project. How do I (or do I) get Sister Mary's on the Lovelace > autosomal DNA list? > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jun 27, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Jack D. Lovelace via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > > Lou Ann, > > > > I think that you are confusing Y-DNA testing with Autosomal DNA testing. > > > > Y-DNA testing works only on the Y chromosome and can tell if two > > individuals come from the same paternal line. > > > > Autosomal DNA testing works on the other 21 pairs of chromosomes (which > > an individual gets from both parents). From what I understand about the > > process, you need test results from at least three individuals in order > > to establish a relationship. One of which must be a close relative; > > i.e. a sibling or a parent. > > > >> On 6/27/2016 9:45 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: > >> Will someone help me out here, what Thomas could possibly give the above > >> "consistent results". > >> To my knowledge we don't have a line with a Thomas of that generation > being > >> part of the DNA > >> tests. Help. Have I missed something. > >> Lou Ann > > > > -- > > > > Jack D. Lovelace > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lovelace, Abraham (#36511) (c1710-b1790) married Mary McClain (c1710-c1770) c1732 father of: 1) Mary, 2) Cleta, 3) Edward, 4) Samuel, 5) William, 6) John (1740-1816) Lovelace, Benjamin (#7137) (1714-xxxx) No parents Lovelace, Benjamin (#47245) (1727-c1785) (son of Thomas (1709-xxxx) married Sarah (1735-c1798) c1751 father of: 1) Nathaniel 2) Alkana 3) Barton 4) Zadock 5) Reason 6) Sarah 7) Benjamin The male descendants of Benjamin are in the Maryland DYS456(16) sub-group, so I assume that the line runs as follows: A) Thomas Loveless (c1640-xxxx), the transportee B) Faustus Lovelace (c1867-c1718) C) Thomas Lovelace (1709-xxxx) (referred to as Thomas the Orphan) D) Benjamin (#47245) (1727-1785) This is probably not the way that Lou Ann sees it. Lovelace, Samuel (#5150) (1732-c1799) (son of John (#71827) (1698-xxx)) wife unknown father of: 1) Pryor (b:1760-1765-d:c1835) 2) Zachariah (b:1760-1765-d:1844) 3) Elizabeth (b:1785-1789-d:c1829) 4) George (c1787-1869) 5) Samuel R. (c1789-c1855) Lovelace, Samuel (#89377) (a1733-xxxx) (son of Abraham (#36511) & Mary McClain) Lovelace, Samuel (#35645) (a1741-s1789) (son of William (1720-b1790)) died in South Carolina Lovelace, Samuel (#23773) (c1797-xxxx) (son of William (1760-1810)) married Barbara Ellen Lucas (c1797-xxxx) 07 Feb 1818 x On 6/27/2016 2:22 PM, Lenny Darnell via wrote: > On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:58 PM, <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: > >> Then we have five more Lovelace men of the next generation. These are >> John, Samuel, >> Benjamin, Abraham, and Thomas. > > > ​Lou Ann, > > I am working through all this information and looking to find online > profiles for them that I can slim down and align with the data you provided. > > Can you give me estimated birth years for John, Samuel, Benjamin, Abraham. > You had previously mentioned Thomas was 1709. I have found a profile > for an Abraham ​that suggests 1710. I had thought that John would be John > 1689 that is all over the place, but I see that Jack says that John never > existed. But no profiles for Samuel or Benjamin that would be born soon > enough to father Joseph 1722 or Benjamin 1727, Can you provide me wife > names where known for these five if known. I should be able to nail them > down with that. > > Are Bartholomew 1757 and Barton who you mention the same? I get some DNA > hits on him. > > Thanks > > Lenny > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jack D. Lovelace

​Given my case for autosomal, what I would want is three cousins who are descended from 3 different brothers from the Newberry five, who have one or more Chromosome segments that match Tom and/or Bob and match each other.​ This would triangulate the results. Two matches is enough but ideally, you want them equidistant from each other, like three legs on a stool. Most often, for me, I use a second cousin where there is a match, and the third leg is someone who has common ancestry much higher up the part of the tree shared with the second cousin. It's a wobbly stool, but it works. On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Jack D. Lovelace via <lovelace@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Lou Ann, > > I think that you are confusing Y-DNA testing with Autosomal DNA testing. > > Y-DNA testing works only on the Y chromosome and can tell if two > individuals come from the same paternal line. > > Autosomal DNA testing works on the other 21 pairs of chromosomes (which > an individual gets from both parents). From what I understand about the > process, you need test results from at least three individuals in order > to establish a relationship. One of which must be a close relative; > i.e. a sibling or a parent. > > On 6/27/2016 9:45 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: > > Will someone help me out here, what Thomas could possibly give the above > > "consistent results". > > To my knowledge we don't have a line with a Thomas of that generation > being > > part of the DNA > > tests. Help. Have I missed something. > > Lou Ann > > -- > > Jack D. Lovelace > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lou Ann, I think that you are confusing Y-DNA testing with Autosomal DNA testing. Y-DNA testing works only on the Y chromosome and can tell if two individuals come from the same paternal line. Autosomal DNA testing works on the other 21 pairs of chromosomes (which an individual gets from both parents). From what I understand about the process, you need test results from at least three individuals in order to establish a relationship. One of which must be a close relative; i.e. a sibling or a parent. On 6/27/2016 9:45 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: > Will someone help me out here, what Thomas could possibly give the above > "consistent results". > To my knowledge we don't have a line with a Thomas of that generation being > part of the DNA > tests. Help. Have I missed something. > Lou Ann -- Jack D. Lovelace

Jack, Thanks so much for this list. I will study it. It is the John, brother of Ignatius that you have as the father of four of the Newberry 5. Do you suspect a cousin relationship with Joseph father of Hazel? Lenny On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Jack D. Lovelace <lovelacejackd@verizon.net > wrote: > Lenny, > > To make your life more interesting, I have eleven (11) John Lovelxxx's in > Charles County, Maryland, before the 1800s. > > Lovelace, John (#67139) (c1664-xxxx) (son of William, the transportee) > father of Thomas (#67156) (c1685-xxxx) who married Eleanor c1709. > father of John (#43584) (c1690-b1780) who married Anne > > Lovelace, John (#43584) (s1690-b1780) (son of John (#67139) son of > William, the transportee) > married Anne (c1695-xxxx) c1720 > father of John Baptist (#43583) (1721-1765) > > Lovelace, John (#71827) (1698-xxxx) (parents not known) > wife is unknown > father of 1) Philip (1725-xxxx) > 2) Samuel (1732-c1799) d: in Prince William Co., VA > wife is unknown > 3) Luke (1736-b1800) d: in Prince Georges Co, MD > married Mary Ann > > Lovelace, John (#67144) c1710-1775 (son of Thomas & Eleanor) > married Jane (c1720-xxxx) c1741 > probate by Samuel Hanson 02 Jul 1775 > father of: > 1) Ignatius (1742-c1798) d: in Prince George's Co., MD > 2) John (#63155) (1745-b1790) d: in Charles Co., MD > > Lovelace, John Baptist (#43583) (1721-c1765) (son of John (#43584) & Anne) > married Eleanor Wilcoxen(?) (1729-1777) c1745 > probate 16 Aug 1765 in Charles Co., MD > father of: > 1) Charles (1747-1796) > 2) Isaac (1748-1785) > 3) William (1750-1815) > 4) Elias (1755-1834) > 5) Luke (1757-c1808) > 6) Vachel (1759-1837) > 7) Mary Ann (1760-s1789) > 8) Archibald (1761-c1847) > 9) Millicent (1764-c1845) > > Lovelace, John (#56655) (1738-1808) parents not known > married 1) Hannah (c1735-c1775) 1759 in Virginia > married 2) Rachel Van Hook (c1762-1807) 1777 in Virginia > > Lovelace, John (#63155) (1745-b1790) (son of John (#67144) & Jane) > no known children > > Lovelace, John (#1850) (c1748-xxxx) (son of William (1720-b1790)) > married Priscilla Lehre (c1755-xxxx) c1780 in South Carolina > > Lovelace, John (#36294) (c1767-1835) (son of William (c1742-c1795) > wife unknown > > Lovelace, John (#2956) (c1789-c1865) (son of William (c1762-c1815)) > wife unknown > > > On 6/27/2016 2:22 PM, Lenny Darnell via wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:58 PM, <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: >> >> Then we have five more Lovelace men of the next generation. These are >>> John, Samuel, >>> Benjamin, Abraham, and Thomas. >>> >> >> >> ​Lou Ann, >> >> I am working through all this information and looking to find online >> profiles for them that I can slim down and align with the data you >> provided. >> >> Can you give me estimated birth years for John, Samuel, Benjamin, Abraham. >> You had previously mentioned Thomas was 1709. I have found a profile >> for an Abraham ​that suggests 1710. I had thought that John would be >> John >> 1689 that is all over the place, but I see that Jack says that John never >> existed. But no profiles for Samuel or Benjamin that would be born soon >> enough to father Joseph 1722 or Benjamin 1727, Can you provide me wife >> names where known for these five if known. I should be able to nail them >> down with that. >> >> Are Bartholomew 1757 and Barton who you mention the same? I get some DNA >> hits on him. >> >> Thanks >> >> Lenny >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > -- > > Jack D. Lovelace >

Lenny, To make your life more interesting, I have eleven (11) John Lovelxxx's in Charles County, Maryland, before the 1800s. Lovelace, John (#67139) (c1664-xxxx) (son of William, the transportee) father of Thomas (#67156) (c1685-xxxx) who married Eleanor c1709. father of John (#43584) (c1690-b1780) who married Anne Lovelace, John (#43584) (s1690-b1780) (son of John (#67139) son of William, the transportee) married Anne (c1695-xxxx) c1720 father of John Baptist (#43583) (1721-1765) Lovelace, John (#71827) (1698-xxxx) (parents not known) wife is unknown father of 1) Philip (1725-xxxx) 2) Samuel (1732-c1799) d: in Prince William Co., VA wife is unknown 3) Luke (1736-b1800) d: in Prince Georges Co, MD married Mary Ann Lovelace, John (#67144) c1710-1775 (son of Thomas & Eleanor) married Jane (c1720-xxxx) c1741 probate by Samuel Hanson 02 Jul 1775 father of: 1) Ignatius (1742-c1798) d: in Prince George's Co., MD 2) John (#63155) (1745-b1790) d: in Charles Co., MD Lovelace, John Baptist (#43583) (1721-c1765) (son of John (#43584) & Anne) married Eleanor Wilcoxen(?) (1729-1777) c1745 probate 16 Aug 1765 in Charles Co., MD father of: 1) Charles (1747-1796) 2) Isaac (1748-1785) 3) William (1750-1815) 4) Elias (1755-1834) 5) Luke (1757-c1808) 6) Vachel (1759-1837) 7) Mary Ann (1760-s1789) 8) Archibald (1761-c1847) 9) Millicent (1764-c1845) Lovelace, John (#56655) (1738-1808) parents not known married 1) Hannah (c1735-c1775) 1759 in Virginia married 2) Rachel Van Hook (c1762-1807) 1777 in Virginia Lovelace, John (#63155) (1745-b1790) (son of John (#67144) & Jane) no known children Lovelace, John (#1850) (c1748-xxxx) (son of William (1720-b1790)) married Priscilla Lehre (c1755-xxxx) c1780 in South Carolina Lovelace, John (#36294) (c1767-1835) (son of William (c1742-c1795) wife unknown Lovelace, John (#2956) (c1789-c1865) (son of William (c1762-c1815)) wife unknown On 6/27/2016 2:22 PM, Lenny Darnell via wrote: > On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:58 PM, <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: > >> Then we have five more Lovelace men of the next generation. These are >> John, Samuel, >> Benjamin, Abraham, and Thomas. > > > ​Lou Ann, > > I am working through all this information and looking to find online > profiles for them that I can slim down and align with the data you provided. > > Can you give me estimated birth years for John, Samuel, Benjamin, Abraham. > You had previously mentioned Thomas was 1709. I have found a profile > for an Abraham ​that suggests 1710. I had thought that John would be John > 1689 that is all over the place, but I see that Jack says that John never > existed. But no profiles for Samuel or Benjamin that would be born soon > enough to father Joseph 1722 or Benjamin 1727, Can you provide me wife > names where known for these five if known. I should be able to nail them > down with that. > > Are Bartholomew 1757 and Barton who you mention the same? I get some DNA > hits on him. > > Thanks > > Lenny > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jack D. Lovelace

I'll second all of Lenny's tips. I've done exactly that method for the three autosomal kits that I've had done, purchased at ancestry and transferred to FTDNA & gedmatch. I've broke down few brickwalls through triangulation. I'm much closer on the Loveless line, and on others I'm missing a few generations between my known ancestor and their progenitor that I've confirmed from dna triangulation. If nothing else, it gives you a great lead on where to start chasing the paper trail. On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have used autosomal tests to break through the backside of may brick > walls. But if you take the test at AncestryDNA and do nothing else with > it, you won't get much value. > > for it to be valuable you have to do chromosome mapping and identify > specific segments you match others on, and triangulate - same segment from > three not to closely related cousins goes to a common ancestor. > > What I now recommend is to test at AncestryDNA and then port the data for > free to GedMatch.com. For a bonus, spend another $40 and port the data > to ftDNA where you can do chromosome mapping/matching against their > database. > > MyHeritage has a new offering to import DNA data which I haven't explored > yet. I am hoping they they will also offer chromosome mapping and tree > matching (best of all worlds). > > If you do AncestryDNA and nothing else you will get confirmation of your > tree, and where you don't find matches especially in the 4th-6th cousin > areas, it may mean your tree is wrong for various reasons. They do > provide a list of people you may be related to that are not in your tree. > I have found they are mostly cousins, uncles and aunts and their spouses. > > However, one of those hints helped lead me to the right branch of Lovel***s > to research for my father-in-law Tom Cates. > > Here is a set of blog posts with good info about using GEDMatch: > http://blog.kittycooper.com/tag/gedmatch/ > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Bruce Reeves via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > i have had zero success with the autosomal test - it proved people i > > already knew - but in all other cases - it shows relationships many > > generations closer than they actually could possibly be... perhaps i am > > unique - in multiple branches of my family there are multiple cross > > connections creating double and triple and quadruple duplicate > > relationships for a given pair of individuals - i believe this is causing > > the dna to "be confused". so i'm sure i'm related to these people, but > the > > knkowledge that they exist at this point is not getting either of us past > > our brick walls to get to each other ... perhaps someday it may help. > > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Andrew Lovelace via < > > lovelace@rootsweb.com> > > wrote: > > > > > General question to the group... what is your thoughts about having the > > > autosomal test. It appears to help with only the immediate unknown > > family > > > members and maybe the first 5, or so, generations, right? My current > > > test > > > is Y-DNA67 Thomas Lovelace, Kit 7553. > > > > > > Just looking for some overall opinions... > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jack, If you are correct, then Thomas, and not William, is the progenitor of the Maryland branch of the family. However, I think that there are two generations between Thomas and John Baptist. Which would make Thomas the great-grandfather of John Baptist. But first a question. How are you able to apply names to the DNA results? On 6/27/2016 9:19 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: > I have little doubt that John Baptist Lovelace is my ancestor. While proving anything further back with autosomal DNA is difficult, I get consistent results with a Thomas being John Baptist's grandfather. -- Jack D. Lovelace

Jack, I am of the opinion that there were two Thomas Lovelesses who were transported to the colonies. One was transported in 1662 into Accomack County, Virginia, by a Mrs. Anne Toft. This Thomas was named in a deed in Dorchester County, Maryland, on 10 Oct 1666. This Thomas is probably the father of Faustus Lovelace who died in Charles County, MD, between 1715 and 1720. The second Thomas was transported into Northumberland County, Virginia, by Richard Cox in 1666. This Thomas was probably the father of Roger Lovelace, who was probably the father of James and Charles. Charles married Bridgett McLaughlin and they are the progenitors of the Virginia branch of the family. On 6/27/2016 9:19 AM, Jack Wyatt via wrote: > Could the two Thomas's collecting the headrights in VA and MD be the same person.? -- Jack D. Lovelace

In a message dated 6/27/16 11:20:28 AM, cjwyatt@bellsouth.net writes: > anything further back with autosomal DNA is difficult, I get consistent > results with a Thomas being John Baptist's grandfather. > Will someone help me out here, what Thomas could possibly give the above "consistent results". To my knowledge we don't have a line with a Thomas of that generation being part of the DNA tests.  Help.  Have I missed something. Lou Ann ------If no one claims a Thomas as an ancestor, even if there was a Thomas in the paternal line, no one would know. I'll try to put together for you  my circumstantial case with autosomal DNA (cousin relationships). Jack

Lou Ann, Could the two Thomas's collecting the headrights in VA and MD be the same person.? I have little doubt that John Baptist Lovelace is my ancestor. While proving anything further back with autosomal DNA is difficult, I get consistent results with a Thomas being John Baptist's grandfather. I believe the Eleanor unknown who some list as a wife is Eleanor Evans, a sister of a seventh great grandmother of mine, Rebekah Eivens. They were from Barbados in the mid-1600s. We have an Eleanor Evans who was indentured during the 1670s in Virginia so she could have met an indentured Thomas Lovelace there. The person who I believe was Eleanor and Rebekah's father, Richard Eivens, seems to have dropped out of sight after settling in Prequimans Precinct North Carolina, but I have found strong evidence that he is the Richard Evans who appears in Maryland in the late 1600s. That might explain a Maryland connection for Thomas and Eleanor. Hope this helps. Jack Wyatt From: Brondak via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> To: lrdarnell@gmail.com; lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 1:58 AM Subject: [LL] The MD clan .... First of all, there were two Lovelace immigrants to MD who arrived in the state in the 1600's. William in 1664 to Planters, MD on the ship Hopewell. Thomas is more complicated.  Unless there were two Thomases we've got two different people collecting headrights on a Thomas Lovelace in real close to the same time frame.  One was in MD, the other was in VA. These rwo men were probaly born in the 1640's and when they came to the colonies, they were probably indentured for 7 years to work off their passage and likely didn't marry until somerime in the 1670's, if at all.  Actually, we don't know for sure what happened to either one of them, but undoubtedly one of them is the progenator of the MD group.  Supposedly, there was an estate for William in probate in 1698 in MD with a Thomas as executor.  However, nothing has ever been found to prove that.  Some think Thomas and William the immigrants were brothers, and again nothing has ever been found to prove that or even that they knew one another. Since Thomas is found in VA after MD, I suspect that William is the one who is our ancestor, but that's only an educated guess. .......... Lou Ann

In a message dated 6/27/16 2:36:10 PM, lovelacejackd@verizon.net writes: > Lou Ann, > > How do we known this? > > Nancy Bohanan is not a Jane. > Ok Jack, you've got me.  I'm not sure why but I have her as Jane/Nancy/Nancy Jane.  Do you have a marriage record of some kind for them.  I show all their kids were born in MD and that they were in Culpeper after 1763.  Do you have evidence to the contrary? Thanks Lou Ann

FWIW, I'm an older person who's still slightly geeky, and wanted folks to know that Windows 10 has some serious problems at times with the databases and permissioning. So unless you are an admin on your pc, you may run into issues with TMG, or Legacy, or QuickBooks, Lightroom or anything with a database. There's not much on the forums about each specific piece of sw, but if you have problems, try running the exe as admin (you can right click on the file and set the properties - and if that's total Greek to you, send up a flare) I couldn't get my photo management and editing sw (Adobe Lightroom) till Microsoft released an update that magically fixed things, but there's no notice or apology or anything. It is somewhat freakish to close your pc and find the next morning that the sw you have used for _____ (insert large number of months or years here) suddenly doesn't work. all the best with db's - love to hate them, hate to love them... On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:01 AM, <lovelace-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 10. Re: Question... (bgsroots) > 11. Re: HELP! TMG (Andrew Lovelace) >

In a message dated 6/27/16 2:43:49 PM, marthawsv@aol.com writes: > > > > > Yes, your message came through at 9:29. I sent mine earlier, at 8:55, so > they must have crossed in the ether! > > Greg had commented that Nathan Lovelace came from the James Loveless of > Tishomingo line. Now we see that Nathan came from Hazel>Francis>Joseph. Do I > have that correct? > > > > Yes. That's right. It's easy to assume that the Lovelaces in Tishomingo Co come from James of Tish, but that's not true of all of them. Lou Ann c