Gary W. Loveless a.. Born: January 31, 1947 b.. Died: June 23, 2016 c.. Location: Greenport, New York Tribute & Message From The Family Gary was born on January 31, 1947 and passed away on Thursday, June 23, 2016. Gary was a resident of Greenport, New York.

C.S. (Clarence Shriver) Lovelace < Benjamin Franklin Jr. > Sr . > Thomas > Benjamin > William > ? ...... Is this correct and can anyone complete this lineage? Thanks, Bob. ====================== C.S. Lovelace(1921 - 2016) Lovelace, C.S. C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace, 94, died peacefully Saturday, June 11, 2016. Born in Baltimore, MD on July 4, 1921, son of Olivia Brengle Shriver and Dr. Benjamin F. Lovelace, he attended Calvert School, Gilman School and Princeton University '44. Lovelace served in the Navy during WWII. Upon discharge, taught at Gilman School and had a twenty year career with Time, Inc. ending as Fortune magazine marketing director. Later he was vice president at American Heritage, consulted for Hearst, a publisher of Nautical Quarterly, Nantucket Magazine and an entrepreneur in education. Butsy summered on Nantucket, loved sailing, ocean racing, maritime history and land conservation. Lovelace was Trustee Emeritus of Mystic Seaport Museum, Commodore of Nantucket Yacht Club (1968-69), member of New York Yacht Club, Storm Trysail Club and Cruising Club of America. Retired to Essex CT, he wrote Tale of the Governor and Two Islands and From Out of Nowhere about Francis Lovelace, second governor of New York. Memoirs of a Lost Island: Remembrances of a Lifetime of Nantucket Summers followed A Nantucket Enclave: Monomoy Heights 1852- 2005 from Sheep Commons to Cottage Colony to Gold Coast. Survived by sons, Jeffrey C. Lovelace and wife Judy, Essex, CT, Donald S. Lovelace, Old Greenwich, CT, David S. Lovelace and wife Dayna, Norwalk, CT, daughter Olivia S. Lovelace and Kenneth Kubie, Norwalk, CT. He is survived by grandchildren Jeffrey Jr. and Leah O. Lovelace, Amy C. and Benjamin L. Kubie, Katherine O. Lovelace and great grandson Jeffrey Benjamin Lovelace. He was predeceased by his wife, Mary Jean Campbell, brother, Richard S. Lovelace and sister, Caroline Rutter Brown. A Memorial Service will be held July 4, 11:00AM at Essex Meadows, Essex, CT; interment on Nantucket this fall. In lieu of flowers, please make donations in his memory to Mystic Seaport Museum, Mystic, CT or Nantucket Conservation Foundation, Nantucket, MA. Arrangements by Robinson, Wright & Weymer Funeral Home, Centerbrook, CT. Funeral Home Robinson, Wright & Weymer Inc 34 Main St Centerbrook, CT 06409 (860) 767-8000 Published in GreenwichTime on June 26, 2016

In a message dated 6/27/16 8:09:48 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: Jack says: > > >>>>Lovelace, John (#63155) (1745-b1790) (son of John (#67144) & Jane) >     no known children > I don't know of this John. What proves one with these dates? >>>>>Lovelace, John (#36294) (c1767-1835) (son of William (c1742-c1795)     wife unknown I'm not sure who these are. Who is this William? >>>>>>Lovelace, John (#2956) (c1789-c1865) (son of William (c1762-c1815))     wife unknown Who is this William? Lou Ann

In a message dated 6/27/16 8:09:48 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: Jack says: > > To make your life more interesting, I have eleven (11) John Lovelxxx's > in Charles County, Maryland, before the 1800s. > > Lovelace, John (#67139) (c1664-xxxx) (son of William, the transportee) >     father of Thomas (#67156) (c1685-xxxx) who married Eleanor c1709. >     father of John (#43584) (c1690-b1780) who married Anne > > Lovelace, John (#43584) (s1690-b1780) (son of John (#67139) son of > William, the transportee) >     married Anne (c1695-xxxx) c1720 >     father of John Baptist (#43583) (1721-1765) > > Lovelace, John (#71827) (1698-xxxx) (parents not known) >     wife is unknown >     father of 1) Philip (1725-xxxx) >                   2) Samuel (1732-c1799) d: in Prince William Co., VA >             wife is unknown >                   3) Luke (1736-b1800) d: in Prince Georges Co, MD >             married Mary Ann > > Lovelace, John (#67144) c1710-1775 (son of Thomas & Eleanor) >     married Jane (c1720-xxxx) c1741 >     probate by Samuel Hanson 02 Jul 1775 >     father of: >         1) Ignatius (1742-c1798) d: in Prince George's Co., MD >         2) John (#63155) (1745-b1790) d: in Charles Co., MD > __________________ Based on records I've found,I think there are too many Johns and Thomases named above. One of the problems we run into is that various reseaerchers insert their own opinions into documents they transcribe and that throws us off. I'll explain more on this as I go. First I'm going to deal with Thomas the Orphan then I'll get to the Johns. I think Thomas b 1709 (as proven by records) is the last child of John (the son of the immigrant) who would have died between the 1711 document and 1721 when Thomas is declared an orphan. I think John b ca 1698 is the oldest son of John, son of the immigrant. A lot of people have a John b ca 1689. I don't think there was such a John. Records don't back him up. And I don;'t think there was a Thomas b 1685. I don't find records that back him up. I think Thomas the Orphan was the one who married Eleanor and who had a son John b ca 1729. As for John b 1698, I think he's the one who married Anne and had JBL, Samuel, Luke & Phillip as mentioned previously and as backed up by records. His age is proven by a 1768 tax list which give his age as 70. It also gives the ages of Samuel, Luke and Phillip. JBL has died by 1768. He had moved to Frederick Co where he's on tax lisrs from 1762-1765 and his will is in Frederick in 1765 The following, is an example of what I was talking about earlier about researchers inserting their own opinions into documents. A vicki Knarr early on was one of the main Lovelace researchers. She posted a document: that read: On the message to Hal from Vickki Knarr 4-10-1997 It states Dec 21, 1768 brothers , of each other and Jbl , LUke, and Thomas borrowed money from Samuel Hanson of Charles County Md. When John Died the administration of the estate was given to Samuel Hanson , whom he owed the most money to. The date of that administration is 7-7-1775. Sons of the deceased , John and Ignatius Lovelace approved Inventory . Then: >From Jack regarding the above: The bill of sale mentioned by Vicki was posted to the archives by Donna Price on 15 Nov 1996. This bill of sale says "We, John Lovelace, >Thomas Lovelace, and Luke Lovelace did, on Dec 21, 1768, pass our >bond to Samuel Hanson..." (We need to identify this Thomas, but John is probably the father and Luke his son, and Thomas? maybe a cousin?. Thomas is never mentioned on any documents as a son of this John. As for "sons" John and ignatious approving the inventory, sons didm't necessarily have to do that. I think those were grandsons and once again Vicki's opinion was inserted as fact. John's son Luke had a son Ignatious and it appears that Samuel had a son John Baptist. By the time John the grandfather died in 1775 JBL's kids had gone to Frederick Co and/or Rowan Co NC. I think the actual records are pretty clear on this John, his kids and his wife Anne. Going back to Thomas the Orphan, he did not buy Bathelor's Forest until 1745. It isn't likely that a man born 1685 would be making his first land purchase in 1745 and it's a more likely time for a man born 1709. The Thomas with Batchelor's Forest is the one who married Eleanor, had a son John with a wife Jane. Thomas died by 1753 when Eleanor appears on the tax roll with Batchelor's Forest. Then she and son John with his wife jane sell the property in 1763. We know that from the land transfer record, I'm convinced that this is Jack's John who went to Culpeper Co VA. There is confusion over the name of his wife. Supposedly John in VA had a wife Nancy. That's possible. Jane could have died and he remarried. Or Nancy might not be right. That name came from Vicki Kanarr (per Jack) and I don't know what proves her. John who sold Batchelor's Forest disappears from MD records after that land sale. He is definitely not the John who died i n 1775 in MD with the wife Anne. John who went to VA was there at least by 1782 when I first found them on a tax list. Reportedly his youngest child was born in MD in 1765, but I don't have proof of that birthplace, but census records pretty much confirm he was born around 1765. I haven't searched VA records to find out more about when he arrived there and any land transactions he might have had. His birthdate, his kids birthdates, etc fit better with him being a son of Thomas b 1709 than with anyone else. To summarize the Johns and Thomases I think this is what we have A. William (the immigrant) B. John b ca 1670 C. John b 1698 m Anne d ca 1775 D. sons JBL, Samuel, Luke & Phillip E. grandfather of John & Ignatious C. Thomas b 1709 m Eleanor D. son John b ca 1729/30 m Jane & (Nancy?) went to VA E. sons John, Noah & James C. (Benjamin, Abraham & Samuel I dealt with in other messages) Okay, now we have one more Thomas who I'll deal with in a separate message. Lou Ann

In a message dated 6/27/16 9:24:49 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: Jack says: > > Lovelace, Benjamin (#7137) (1714-xxxx) No parents > I think he's another son of John b ca 1670 and probably grandson of the immigrant We have four records of him and then he seems to disappear. He is one of my candidates for the father of my Benjamin b ca 1727 First record is 1733 = Tax list Charles Co MD in Leonard Benedict Dist. with Abraham. He's of age by now so he was probably born ca 1700=1710. If he's a brother of Thomas the Orphan, he was probably born closer to 1700. 1734 - Charles Co MD owed money to the estate of John Anderson again with Abraham 1736 - Charles Co MD paid money to the estate of William Brodgen. Couple of interesting things about this document. One is that Randolph Morris who is next on Benjamin's timeline and Phillip Key are also mentioned. Abraham was a debtor of Phillip Key in 1769. The other interesting thing is that a connection to William Brogden also gives him a connection to a Barton family. William Brogden was married twice and one of his wives was a daughter of Samuel Perry and 'Sarah Barton. I've researched this Barton family trying to find a connection that could have led to my Barton, son of Benj. b 1727 being named Barton. I haven't found a precise connection yet, but one possibility is that this Benj is the father of my Benj and his wife may have somehow been connected to Brogden/Perry/Barton. I'm still looking for more info. The immigrant Wm Barton landed in MD only a couple or three years before the Lovelace men did. And they were in Charles Co MD, one connecting factor being Port Tobacco for all these guys. And I've found Leonard Benedict Dist mentioned more than once. But this is a work in progress. There's another indirect connection to the Lovelace family and the Perrys. John Perry married Rebecca Dunnington. Rebecca is the 1st cousin of Mary McClain who married Abraham Lovelace. Rebecca's mother is Ann Elgin. Ann's niece married a KAY and the grandson of the niece married a child of James Lovelace of Tishomingo Co MS. John Perry is either the brother of nephew of Samuel Perry who married Sarah Barton. There are all kinds of twisted connections that indicate very close proximity of all these families and people tended to marry within their known circles. We've got lots of gaps with Lovelace wives and if only we knew who they were it could probably answer a bunch of questions. 1737 - Charles Co - was a debtor on the estate of Randolph Morris - again with Abraham I have nothing else on Benjamin after 1737 which indicates that he probably died. Did he leave a wife and children? Have we lost her because she remarried and took a different name? Lou Ann

In a message dated 6/27/16 9:24:49 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: Jack says: > Lovelace, Samuel (#23773) (c1797-xxxx) (son of William (1760-1810)) >     married Barbara Ellen Lucas (c1797-xxxx) 07 Feb 1818 > I've got this Samuel, but I have him purely by speculation as a grandson of Thomas in Loudoun. But I don't have a William ca 1760-1810. Who and where is he? I don't know what documents he might be on. I do have a son William for William b 1720, but I have nothing on him and don't know what proves him and don't know what kids he might have had. Lou Ann

In a message dated 6/27/16 9:24:49 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: jack saysa; > > Lovelace, Samuel (#89377) (a1733-xxxx) (son of Abraham (#36511) & Mary > McClain) > I don't think this guy existed. The Samuel in question given by whoever it was on rootsweb was actually naming the children of Abraham's son John, so the birthdate given for him is pure guesswork, not based on anything substantial. Jack says: >>>>Lovelace, Samuel (#5150) (1732-c1799) (son of John (#71827) (1698-xxx))     wife unknown     father of:         1)  Pryor (b:1760-1765-d:c1835)         2)  Zachariah (b:1760-1765-d:1844)         3)  Elizabeth (b:1785-1789-d:c1829)         4)  George (c1787-1869)         5)  Samuel R. (c1789-c1855) I agree with Samuel;s kids, but not the father because Samuel, Luke and Phillip are JBL's brother as proven by deeds. In 1740 John bought "Lovelace Addition" in names of sons Luke, Samuel & Phillip. When John's wife Anne sold "Lovelace Addition" after John died, she specifically stated all but the 39 acres he gave his son John Baptist. JBL actually died before his father and I don't know what happened to that 39 acres. I haven't found a record of its sale, but it is not mentioned in JBL's will. So the father of these four which includes JBL is John with the wife Anne. There are a lot more documents which relate to this family, but it's Lovelace Addition that ties them all together. per Jack:] Lovelace, Samuel (#35645) (a1741-s1789) (son of William (1720-b1790))     died in South Carolina I don't have this guy and don't have a son Samuel for William b 1720

This older Samuel was another one we didn't know existed until Mike Marshall sent me a 1745 document that is an estate record of an Anne Abernathy. This one doesn't say "list of debts". It says "Received From" and once again it reads like a who's who of Charles Co MD including Samuel Lovelace. Since the only other Samuel in this time frame was born ca 1732 (proven by a deed record), we know there is an older Samuel who had to be an adult by 1745. Consequently, he is in the same age bracket as Benjamin, Abraham, et al. and another likely son of the oldest John. We know absolutely nothing more about him, but he disappears from the records after this one document, so it's likely that he died. He's another candidate for the father of my Benjamin b 1727 mainly because he was there. But I lean more toward Benjamin of the 1733-1737 docs. Lou Ann

John b ca 1670 d after 1711 This is the John that no one knew existed until Mike Marshall sent me a document on which he is named in a "List of Debts" It's a 1711 estate record of a man named Dr Joseph Venour, Charles Co MD, again Port Tobacco (anglicized from the original Indian name) and where almost all our early Lovelace records take place. Since the man is a doctor I presume that "list of debts" means that all the people named owed him. The list reads like a who's who of Charles Co and includes John Lovelace. it appears that all of Charles Co was in debt to this man. Some of the names appear in the same documents in which Benjamin and Abraham also appear. This John finally filled the gap between the immigrant and the next generation of Lovelace men in MD. There have been no other records found of him or of any other Lovelace near his age in MD, consequently it is assumed thought not absolutely proven that he has to be the father of the rest. Lou Ann

Jack says: Lovelace, Benjamin (#47245) (1727-c1785) (son of Thomas (1709-xxxx)     married Sarah (1735-c1798) c1751     father of:         1)  Nathaniel         2)  Alkana         3)  Barton         4)  Zadock         5)  Reason         6)  Sarah         7)  Benjamin     The male descendants of Benjamin are in the Maryland DYS456(16) sub-group, so I assume that the line runs as follows:     A)  Thomas Loveless (c1640-xxxx), the transportee       B)  Faustus Lovelace (c1867-c1718)         C)  Thomas Lovelace (1709-xxxx) (referred to as Thomas the Orphan)           D)  Benjamin (#47245) (1727-1785)     This is probably not the way that Lou Ann sees it. Jack's right about one thing, that isn't the way I see it: This is what we know about Faustis Lovelace whose name was spelled various ways, including Justin, in the few documents and translations of the documents that we have of him. Based on his probably being of age at the time records begin, he was probably born around or before ca 1685 or so and based on his probable age, he could have been another son or brother of John b ca 1670. If he's the brother he would have been the son of our immigrant who was probably William. Another factor which indicates his age is that his probable father-in-law was the same generation as John Lovelace b ca 1670, and that makes it even more likely that Faustus is younger and not a brother of John. He was sued in St. Mary's Co MD in 1708 by Joseph Alvey over a horse who Alvey claimed he had taken possession of knowing it belonged to Alvey. The lawsuit was continued to Charles Co MD in 1711 where he was found not guilty of theft but ordred to pay Alvey 1800 pounds of tobacco. We don't know where he would have gotten the tobacco unless he or his family were planters. Also in 1711 he bought land "Turrell's Green" in Prince George's Co from George Jones. Joanna Lovelace paid "alienation" on this land. Mike Marshall who has pulled more early MD and VA documents than anyone I know and with whom I have communcated quite a lot on these families said that he thinks Joanna was a daughter of George Jones. George's wife was also named Johanna and in 1713/14 (probably after the early death of Joanna Lovelace), George and Johanna had another daughter they named Joanna In 1714 Faustus sold the land back to George Jones and now his wife is named Mary. We can deduct at least a couple things from this: Joanna had died and there were no children or the land would have remained with Faustus for Joanna's child. Therefore he is not the father of Thomas the Orphan who was born 1709. And if Thomas b 1709 had been a grandson of George Jones, it is most likely George would have made provisions for him. He was a well to do man. This is the sum total that we know of Faustus. No more records have shown up. He may have died. He may have gone to England. We just don't know. What we do know is that there is no evidence whatsoever to indicate he was the grandfather of my Benjamin b 1727. So that is a proposal I have to disagree with totally. As for who rhe father of my Benjamin is, I think he is either Samuel or Benjamin, son of John who is probably a son of William the immigrant...but could be Thomas. More on Samuel and Benjamin in another message. Lou Ann

per Jack Lovelace, Abraham (#36511) (c1710-b1790)     married Mary McClain (c1710-c1770) c1732     father of:  1) Mary, 2) Cleta, 3) Edward, 4) Samuel, 5) William,         6)  John (1740-1816) I asked Jack where the names of those children came from and in the meantime I went to rootserb worldconnect and found s couple or three files that gave them listing their source as family files from ancestry.com, but no names. The problem is that none of those children show up in any record in MD that I have ever found, They, however, are actually the names of some of the proven children of his son John and would be Abraham's grandchildren. The interesting thing about those files is that they showed Abraham's father as John and John's father as William which I believe is quite likely. However, they showed William b 1643 with a wife Hazel. A William Lovelace with a wife Hazel has floated around for years, but different Williams are cited and no one has ever been able to prove that any William had a wife named Hazel so I have no clue where that originated. They also show Abraham born in Scotland rather than MD where all the other children of John would have been born. I think that originated as family lore because the woman Abraham married was Scottish. Here's a timeline for Abraham: 1733 Charles Co MD Tax list Leonard Benedict's Dist with Benjamin Lovelace on same list 1734 Charles Co - owes money to the estate of John Anderson 1737 Charles Co - With Benjamin again - both appear as debtors to the Randolph Morris estate 1751 St Mary's Co - witnessed the will of Roswell Neale jr 1769 - St Mary's Co with a Thomas Lovelace appears as debtor to Philikp Key estate died bef 1788 - probably since this is when his son John shows up in MS I think the Benjamin who appears with him in those docs is a brother, but I don't know for sure which Thomas is on the 1769 doc. I think he's the one who goes to Loudoun co VA, but don't know who he belongs to yet. I'm still working on that. At first I thought he might be another son of Abraham's, but if he's the one in Loudon Co he's too old to belong to Abraham. I have docs for Thomas that range from 1746 to 1769 in Charles Co MD then he seems to disappear from MD records and shows up in 1774 in Loudoun Co. Regarding Abraham's wife Mary, in 1752 a Mary Lovelace is owed money from the estate of Joseph Tims. She is named with a Margaret Lovelace. This doc is in Charles Co and she lives in St Mary's, but had been in Charles previous to 1752 and Dr Gustavus Brown is also named as being owed money. Dr. Brown was from St Mary's as well. It possible that Mary and Margaret had attended the funeral preparations. I don't know who Margaret is, but on one of the records for the above named Thomas, a Margaret Lovelace is also named. She could have been his wife or sister. Although, if she was attending a dressing for a funeral or wake, she was likely married. An unmarried woman probably wouldn't have been tasked with that duty. I think Thomas in Loudoun had a wife Susannah, but he could have been married in MD previous to her. Regarding Joseph Tims, I haven't found a relationship between his family and the Lovelace family, but a Margaret "Lovely" witnessed his will. That could be a mistranslation of the Margaret Loveless named later as being owed money. Regarding John Anderson on Abraham's 1734 doc, I have found no relationship either, but the Timms and Andersons are both In Port Tobacco. No relationship found to John Anderson or Randolph Morris. The Keys and Neales were both well known families in St Mary's Co, but I have no idea what Abraham owed them for or how he came to witness Roswell neale's will. Lou Ann

List, I'm getting ready to innundate the list with my reasoning behind my line-up on the early MD Lovelaces. I'm sending these in separate messages for different individuals, I hope it isn't too confusing. Those early guys are just confusion in themselves and to make it worse we've had to sort through a huge mish-mash of just plain wrong stuff that was presented by early researchers and carried forward and carried forward on and on. I welcome any questions, comments, critiques and if you have something that can disprove any of what I've said, please feel free to let me know. As much as I've searched records on the internet, on my trip to MD and through contacts with other researchers and especially Mike Marshall who has such an enormous collection of the early records, I still probably haven't found them all. And I haven't quoted the docs word for word in these messages I've just given a synopsis of what they say. Lou Ann

JUANITA SIGMON ASHEVILLE-Juanita McGaha Sigmon, 89, of Asheville, passed away on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, at her residence. A native of Lowell, NC, Juanita was a daughter of the late Jesse and Oma Walker McGaha. She was also preceded in death by her husbands, Spencer Kirkendall and James Ray Sigmon; and niece, Anita Moody. Mrs. Sigmon worked for 25 years in administration for the Ford Motor Co., in Charlotte. Mrs. Sigmon is survived by her sister, Joan Lovelace, of Asheville; step-daughter, Renae Martin and husband Roger, of Port Orange, FL; nieces, Jessica Lovelace, of Asheville, and Angela Moore, of Leicester; and nephew, Michael Lovelace and wife Elaine, of Leicester. The funeral service for Mrs. Sigmon will be at 2 p.m., on Friday, at the Groce Funeral Home chapel on Tunnel Road, with the Pastor Gerald Davis officiating. Her family will receive friends at the funeral home following the service. Interment will take place at 2 p.m., on Saturday, at Catawba Memorial Park, Hickory, NC. The online register is available at www.grocefuneralhome.com. Funeral Home Groce Funeral Home & Cremation Service 856 Tunnel Rd Asheville, NC 28805 (828) 299-4416 Published in Shelby Star on June 30, 2016

The will of Edmund Ware, 17 Apr 1833, is online in a typescript format, and a handwritten version from the will book! Using the info from Jack, below, I found the typescript version in the South Carolina Online Archives at http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/Thumbnails.aspx?recordId=300885 The handwritten version can be found through the FamilySearch catalog. It is from a microfilm that is now online. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-FX4G-B?i=181&wc=M6NW-QP8%3A210902801%2C210917001%3Fcc%3D1919417&cc=1919417 "South Carolina Probate Records, Bound Volumes, 1671-1977," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19364-6988-36?cc=1919417 : 21 May 2014), Abbeville > Wills, 1815-1837, Vol. 02 > image 182 of 236; citing Department of Archives and History, Columbia. Edmund Ware's will is fairly long and involved. It was written in Abbeville District. He asked to be buried in Turkey Creek Church yard. He bequeathed several tracts of land, which he numbered, in the Abbeville area, on the Saluda River, and in the Laurens District. There are some slight differences between the handwritten version and the typescript . . . I found only a reference to Loveless, no James, but the will is long and dense, so I could have missed it. From the typescript version, here’s the part where Loveless is mentioned: “Lot Number five described as follows, all that Plantation or tract of land containing four hundred acres more or less situate lying and being in the District of Laurens on the tumblin shoal road and further known as the loveless and Mattison tract of land and adjoining lands belonging to the Widow South Nathaniel Pyles and the Estate of Allen Saxon and others which tract of land I value at the sum of eleven hundred dollars & designate as lot Number five and which tract is given under the express conditions, that the sum of one hundred dollars being that amount over and above the Valuation of the preceding tracts shall be paid over to my daughter Louisa Catherine Ware by the said James S. Rodgers Thomas Edwin Ware, Perigrine P. Ware, & Edmund P Ware, or by him who possesses himself of the said Lot Number five, as seperate and district (sic) gift to my said daughter —" Martha Genealogy - So many ancestors...so little time! > On Jun 29, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Jack D. Lovelace via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Greg, > > That was a typo on my part. The gentleman's name is Edmund Ware. The > reference to the South Carolina Archives is: > Series Number S108093, Reel 0003, Frame 00127, Item 02 > > I have identified James as James Isaac Loveless, son of John and Marietta. > > On 6/29/2016 9:01 AM, Greg Lovelace via wrote: >> I have a James Lovelace whom I have not identified who was named in the will >> of Edmund Ward, dated 17 Apr 1833. The will was probated in both Abbeville >> District and Laurens District of South Carolina. > > -- > > Jack D. Lovelace > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, this one took me a while. PeopleLooker.com shows Joan Lovelace, aka Shirley Joan Lovelace, of Asheville, Leicester, and Marshall, NC, associated with Michael Ray Lovelace. I found Michael Ray Lovelace and Elaine Lovelace, who are mentioned in the obituary. I found Michael Ray Lovelace in Ancestry's "North Carolina, Birth Indexes, 1800-2000," born 27 May 1959 in Cleveland County, son of Shirley J. McGaha and Carl Ray Lovelace. I then checked my database and found Carl Ray Lovelace, Jr., married to Shirly Jean McGaha, data I got from Cuzzin Doug back in the '90s. So I have the lineage as: Michael Ray Lovelace (1959 - ) + Elaine (-?-) - Carl Ray Lovelace, Jr. + Shirley Jean McGaha -- Carl Ray Lovelace, Sr. (1905-1953) + Edith Williams --- George Aaron Lovelace (1873-1937) + Dora Mode ---- Cyntha Jane Lovelace (1846-1938) + John Lovelace (lineage unknown) ----- Nathaniel Lovelace (1810-1868) + Jane McSwain ------ Asa Lovelace (1785-1845) + Susannah Hardin ------- Barton Lovelace (circa 1757-circa 1802) + Lucy Watson -------- Benjamin Lovelace (circa 1727 - ?1817?) + Sarah ?Robey? And through preceding generations across the pond to Dorset England Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Rabb via Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:26 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Obit of Juanita McGaha Sigmon (mentions sister Joan Lovelace - NC) JUANITA SIGMON ASHEVILLE-Juanita McGaha Sigmon, 89, of Asheville, passed away on Tuesday, June 28, 2016, at her residence. A native of Lowell, NC, Juanita was a daughter of the late Jesse and Oma Walker McGaha. She was also preceded in death by her husbands, Spencer Kirkendall and James Ray Sigmon; and niece, Anita Moody. Mrs. Sigmon worked for 25 years in administration for the Ford Motor Co., in Charlotte. Mrs. Sigmon is survived by her sister, Joan Lovelace, of Asheville; step-daughter, Renae Martin and husband Roger, of Port Orange, FL; nieces, Jessica Lovelace, of Asheville, and Angela Moore, of Leicester; and nephew, Michael Lovelace and wife Elaine, of Leicester. The funeral service for Mrs. Sigmon will be at 2 p.m., on Friday, at the Groce Funeral Home chapel on Tunnel Road, with the Pastor Gerald Davis officiating. Her family will receive friends at the funeral home following the service. Interment will take place at 2 p.m., on Saturday, at Catawba Memorial Park, Hickory, NC. The online register is available at www.grocefuneralhome.com. Funeral Home Groce Funeral Home & Cremation Service 856 Tunnel Rd Asheville, NC 28805 (828) 299-4416 Published in Shelby Star on June 30, 2016 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greg, That was a typo on my part. The gentleman's name is Edmund Ware. The reference to the South Carolina Archives is: Series Number S108093, Reel 0003, Frame 00127, Item 02 I have identified James as James Isaac Loveless, son of John and Marietta. On 6/29/2016 9:01 AM, Greg Lovelace via wrote: > I have a James Lovelace whom I have not identified who was named in the will > of Edmund Ward, dated 17 Apr 1833. The will was probated in both Abbeville > District and Laurens District of South Carolina. -- Jack D. Lovelace

A spread sheet is a great idea! Thanks, Greg. My autosomal test was with Family Tree DNA. My GedMatch number is T614713. My line: Martha Wallace Martha Virginia Loveless Wallace William Carl Loveless William Asbury Loveless Quinton James Loveless James Loveless of Tishomingo I did find a GedMatch with a couple of Loveless second cousins: with 266.9 cM total, the largest cM 56.7. They are also descendants of James of Tish, also through William Asbury Loveless. Their grandmother was a sibling of my grandfather, William Carl Loveless. Martha Wallace Genealogy - So many ancestors...so little time! > On Jun 29, 2016, at 7:34 AM, Greg Lovelace via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > OK, folks. > > The time has come for me to bite the bullet and start to put together a > spreadsheet of autosomal DNA matches. Maybe I can try to use some of the > stuff I learned last summer to actually take a good look at some of the > matches and try to propose some conclusions. > > > > In order for me to do that, I need to know from you cuzzins if you have had > an autosomal DNA test. If you have, who did you test with? Have you > uploaded your results to GedMatch? If so, what is your Gedmatch kit number? > Have you uploaded a gedcom to Gedmatch? If so, what is your gedcom id > number? > > > > This is a substantial undertaking, and it will probably take a long time to > compile. So now I know that Melissa tested with FTDNA and uploaded her > results. I've entered our matches (see my last email) into the new > spreadsheet. I'm ready for yours now. Please respond, either here on the > list so other interested cousins can see, or privately to me at > greg@part-of-the-tree.com. > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lenny, I'm glad you asked that question. I am relatively sure I descend from James (Thomas?) Loveless and Linna Hughes. Becoming more sure of that fact drives most of my interest in the DNA results. My descent from James (Thomas?) depends on whether my great-great-grandfather William Loveless (b.1834 SC - d.1888 TX) is the same person listed as Williamson Loveless, the son of John Harrison Loveless and Clarissa Williamson, in the 1850 Census for Laurens, SC and in the will and probate papers for Clarissa's estate in Alabama. (Her will was also probated in Laurens, SC.) I believe they are the same person because: 1. My g-g-grandfather's age and birth state in census records match those of Williamson; 2. Clarissa's probate papers listed Williamson's location in November 1856 as being in Dallas, Texas, and William is documented to be in the Dallas, Texas area from his 1859 marriage until his death in 1888; 3. I can find no other likely candidates in South Carolina to be my g-g-grandfather William; and 4. The names Williamson and William are not completely different. But Jack has pointed out my Y-DNA test puts me out of the main Maryland group to which we have assigned James (Thomas?) Loveless. That's not a game-ender, though, because it's possible the key deviant marker in my Y-DNA test is a mutation in a generation after James (Thomas?). Maybe the autosomal DNA will show I really am a descendant of James (Thomas?) and not some other Loveless ancestor. That would strengthen my theory that Williamson = William. On FTDNA, my autosomal DNA matches show I'm a 4th cousin of Bill Loveless, whose GEDCOM says he is a descendant of James (Thomas?) and whose results are administered by his daughter Jane Elliott, a member of this list. And Bill and I are separated by 4 markers on the 67-marker Y-DNA test. If Williamson = William, then I actually would be a 4th cousin once removed of Bill's. But maybe I need a third matching autosomal DNA result to make that connection solid. Sorry to give such a long answer, but my fascination with my own genealogy is deep, and who else can I talk to about it? Ha, ha. Jeb Loveless Arlington, Texas On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Paul, > > Do you, Jeb Lovelace and Terri Davis all descend from JT Loveless 1771 and > Linna Hughes? If not, then who? > > Lenny > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > The spreadsheet would also need oldest proven Loveless Ancestor on the > > list. We have to realize that at every generation up the tree the > > autosomal DNA may come from a wife rather than the Loveless man. But it > > would be solid in the Loveless line from the couple down. > > > > Do we also want to collect segments that are triangulated up the tree on > > wives line? For instance, I have a match between Tom and a person who > > descends from a brother of Mary and Linna Hughes. They have no Loveless > in > > their line, but the data is meaningful to others who descend through > Isaac > > and James. > > > > L > > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Paul, > >> > >> That is really good - you would need one for each person. I think I'll > >> create one for Tom and one for Bob as the GedMatch kit #s are reported > here. > >> > >> I am not sure what Greg will want as a way of tracking everyone, but I > >> could see a spreadsheet with > >> > >> > >> - Kit 1 > >> - Name 1 > >> - Kit 2 > >> - Name 2 > >> - Chromosome > >> - Start Matching Segment > >> - End Matching Segment > >> > >> The question is whether to enter each matching segment once, or twice, > >> reversing kit#s and names so that you can sort and select either way > (Think > >> GEDMatch's triangulation report which is basically what we are doing). > >> > >> My question to Greg: Are you going to build the spreadsheet yourself > >> and publish it from time to time, keep a current version non-editable on > >> Google Docs or some other place - or make it editable where we each add > our > >> own matches. > >> > >> Lenny > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Paul David <dpaul3048@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >>> Lenny > >>> > >>> Would this help? > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < > >>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Lisa, your grandmother and Bob Cates have a small connection. this > >>>> may be > >>>> noise or not, depending if we can find a third party who shares it: > >>>> > >>>> Comparing Kit A898171 (Robert Lynn Cates) and F173637 (Pansy Louise > >>>> Lancaster Johnston) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs > >>>> 21 14,667,761 16,338,264 4.5 446 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Lisa Gorrell via < > >>>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > My grandmother, Pansy Louise Johnston's DNA is uploaded to GedMatch > >>>> from > >>>> > FTDNA. Her kit is ID F173637. She descends from James Loveless & > Linna > >>>> > Hughes. > >>>> > > >>>> > Lisa Gorrell > >>>> > > >>>> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < > >>>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > > Robert Cates is A898171 > >>>> > > Tom Cates is M727087 > >>>> > > > >>>> > > The are first cousins once removed. We suspect that Tom's great > >>>> > > grandfather/Bob's GGgrandfater to be a Lovel***. We also have > >>>> evidence > >>>> > > that they are descended from ancestors of Linna and Mary Hughes. > >>>> > > > >>>> > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Sherry Mack < > >>>> sherrymack82@gmail.com> > >>>> > > wrote: > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Great idea Greg! > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > My mom tested at ancestry under the username Mackwaco and her > >>>> gedmatch > >>>> > > is: > >>>> > > > A343028. I tested my cousin as well, but I discovered that she > >>>> has a > >>>> > > > second Lovel*** line. So I'll leave her out. I'm off the > Samuel > >>>> > > Loveless > >>>> > > > (Jackson and Benton, Arkansas) line. > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > Hopefully this will entice more to upload their results to > >>>> gedmatch. > >>>> > > > Thanks, > >>>> > > > Sherry > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Lenny Darnell via < > >>>> > > lovelace@rootsweb.com > >>>> > > > > wrote: > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > >> Greg, a huge job indeed. Thank you. Would you like me to > >>>> include > >>>> > in > >>>> > > my > >>>> > > >> list people who may not be on this listserve, but have a > >>>> Lovel*** line > >>>> > > in > >>>> > > >> their tree and have provided GEDMatch #s? Do you want to > limit > >>>> what > >>>> > is > >>>> > > >> reported to you to triangulated matches, or all 2-party matches > >>>> which > >>>> > > may > >>>> > > >> or may not be Lovel***? One option is to collect 2-party > >>>> matches for > >>>> > > >> fourth cousin and better, but not for 5th cousin or worse. > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> Thanks so much! > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> Lenny > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Greg Lovelace via < > >>>> > > lovelace@rootsweb.com > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> wrote: > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> > OK, folks. > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > The time has come for me to bite the bullet and start to put > >>>> > together > >>>> > > a > >>>> > > >> > spreadsheet of autosomal DNA matches. Maybe I can try to use > >>>> some > >>>> > of > >>>> > > >> the > >>>> > > >> > stuff I learned last summer to actually take a good look at > >>>> some of > >>>> > > the > >>>> > > >> > matches and try to propose some conclusions. > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > In order for me to do that, I need to know from you cuzzins > if > >>>> you > >>>> > > have > >>>> > > >> had > >>>> > > >> > an autosomal DNA test. If you have, who did you test with? > >>>> Have > >>>> > you > >>>> > > >> > uploaded your results to GedMatch? If so, what is your > >>>> Gedmatch kit > >>>> > > >> > number? > >>>> > > >> > Have you uploaded a gedcom to Gedmatch? If so, what is your > >>>> gedcom > >>>> > id > >>>> > > >> > number? > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > This is a substantial undertaking, and it will probably take > a > >>>> long > >>>> > > >> time to > >>>> > > >> > compile. So now I know that Melissa tested with FTDNA and > >>>> uploaded > >>>> > > her > >>>> > > >> > results. I've entered our matches (see my last email) into > >>>> the new > >>>> > > >> > spreadsheet. I'm ready for yours now. Please respond, > either > >>>> here > >>>> > on > >>>> > > >> the > >>>> > > >> > list so other interested cousins can see, or privately to me > at > >>>> > > >> > greg@part-of-the-tree.com. > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > Peace, > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > Part of the Tree, > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > Greg > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >>>> > > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> > > >> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> without > >>>> > the > >>>> > > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > > >> > > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > >> ------------------------------- > >>>> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> > > >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> without the > >>>> > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > > >> > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > ------------------------------- > >>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>>> the > >>>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > > > >>>> > > >>>> > ------------------------------- > >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greg, I did an autosomal test both with 23andMe and FTDNA (their Family Finder test). Project members with Family Finder results may find me listed as a remote cousin in their autosomal comparison table. I'm also in GedMatch, ID number T736348. Maryland group: Benjamin > Barton (the horse thief) > Samuel > Seaborn/Seborne > James B. > James S. > Bertha Mae (my grandmother) David Wilson -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Greg Lovelace via Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:34 AM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] DNA matching OK, folks. The time has come for me to bite the bullet and start to put together a spreadsheet of autosomal DNA matches. Maybe I can try to use some of the stuff I learned last summer to actually take a good look at some of the matches and try to propose some conclusions. In order for me to do that, I need to know from you cuzzins if you have had an autosomal DNA test. If you have, who did you test with? Have you uploaded your results to GedMatch? If so, what is your Gedmatch kit number? Have you uploaded a gedcom to Gedmatch? If so, what is your gedcom id number? This is a substantial undertaking, and it will probably take a long time to compile. So now I know that Melissa tested with FTDNA and uploaded her results. I've entered our matches (see my last email) into the new spreadsheet. I'm ready for yours now. Please respond, either here on the list so other interested cousins can see, or privately to me at greg@part-of-the-tree.com. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lenny Would this help? Paul On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Lisa, your grandmother and Bob Cates have a small connection. this may be > noise or not, depending if we can find a third party who shares it: > > Comparing Kit A898171 (Robert Lynn Cates) and F173637 (Pansy Louise > Lancaster Johnston) > > > Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs > 21 14,667,761 16,338,264 4.5 446 > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Lisa Gorrell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > My grandmother, Pansy Louise Johnston's DNA is uploaded to GedMatch from > > FTDNA. Her kit is ID F173637. She descends from James Loveless & Linna > > Hughes. > > > > Lisa Gorrell > > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < > lovelace@rootsweb.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Robert Cates is A898171 > > > Tom Cates is M727087 > > > > > > The are first cousins once removed. We suspect that Tom's great > > > grandfather/Bob's GGgrandfater to be a Lovel***. We also have > evidence > > > that they are descended from ancestors of Linna and Mary Hughes. > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Sherry Mack <sherrymack82@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Great idea Greg! > > > > > > > > My mom tested at ancestry under the username Mackwaco and her > gedmatch > > > is: > > > > A343028. I tested my cousin as well, but I discovered that she has a > > > > second Lovel*** line. So I'll leave her out. I'm off the Samuel > > > Loveless > > > > (Jackson and Benton, Arkansas) line. > > > > > > > > Hopefully this will entice more to upload their results to gedmatch. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sherry > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Lenny Darnell via < > > > lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Greg, a huge job indeed. Thank you. Would you like me to include > > in > > > my > > > >> list people who may not be on this listserve, but have a Lovel*** > line > > > in > > > >> their tree and have provided GEDMatch #s? Do you want to limit > what > > is > > > >> reported to you to triangulated matches, or all 2-party matches > which > > > may > > > >> or may not be Lovel***? One option is to collect 2-party matches > for > > > >> fourth cousin and better, but not for 5th cousin or worse. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks so much! > > > >> > > > >> Lenny > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Greg Lovelace via < > > > lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > >> > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > OK, folks. > > > >> > > > > >> > The time has come for me to bite the bullet and start to put > > together > > > a > > > >> > spreadsheet of autosomal DNA matches. Maybe I can try to use some > > of > > > >> the > > > >> > stuff I learned last summer to actually take a good look at some > of > > > the > > > >> > matches and try to propose some conclusions. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > In order for me to do that, I need to know from you cuzzins if you > > > have > > > >> had > > > >> > an autosomal DNA test. If you have, who did you test with? Have > > you > > > >> > uploaded your results to GedMatch? If so, what is your Gedmatch > kit > > > >> > number? > > > >> > Have you uploaded a gedcom to Gedmatch? If so, what is your > gedcom > > id > > > >> > number? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > This is a substantial undertaking, and it will probably take a > long > > > >> time to > > > >> > compile. So now I know that Melissa tested with FTDNA and > uploaded > > > her > > > >> > results. I've entered our matches (see my last email) into the > new > > > >> > spreadsheet. I'm ready for yours now. Please respond, either > here > > on > > > >> the > > > >> > list so other interested cousins can see, or privately to me at > > > >> > greg@part-of-the-tree.com. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Peace, > > > >> > > > > >> > Part of the Tree, > > > >> > > > > >> > Greg > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > ------------------------------- > > > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >