Clinton Jordan SMETHPORT - Clinton B. Jordan, 38, of Smethport, died Tuesday (June 28, 2016) in UPMC Hamot in Erie after battling cancer. He was born Sept. 8, 1977, in Coudersport, a son of Thomas and Jill Gotshall Jordan. Mr. Jordan was a 1996 graduate of Port Allegany High School and received his associate degree in IT from the University of Phoenix, and recently received his bachelor's degree in IT from Penn State University. Clinton worked in the IT department for Cole Memorial Hospital in Coudersport, where he was a trouble shooter for programs, formatted programs and worked with medtech. He was a former EMT for the Port Allegany Ambulance Service. He also was an avid gamer and Star Wars fan. In addition to his parents, he is survived by his wife, Annette Keller-Jordan of Roulette; stepdaughter, Kelsie Keller of Roulette; and one sister, Erin (Alvin Loveless) Jordan of Smethport. There will be no visitation or funeral services at this time. Funeral arrangements are under the direction of the Hartle-Tarbox Funeral Homes Inc., Smethport. Memorials may be made to Patterson Cancer Center, 1001 E. 2nd St., Coudersport, PA 16915. Online condolences may be made at www.hartle-tarboxfuneralhomes.com. Funeral Home Hartle-Tarbox Funeral Homes Inc. 2 Bank Street Smethport, PA 16749 (814) 887-5565 Published in The Bradford Era from June 30 to July 6, 2016

Hi David: Good to hear from you David. My condolences on your loss. May God be with you in your time of need. I look forward to communicating with you in the future. Blessings, Bob. -----Original Message----- From: david lovelace Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:36 AM To: 'bgsroots' ; lovelace@rootsweb.com ; 'Lovelace List' Subject: RE: [LL] Obituary of C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace - MD Hi Everyone, I am the son of C.S. Lovelace. I have not been active on the list in quite some time, though I do watch it. When things settle down I will answer your question in more detail. But for now you lineage is correct. But of course who the father of Benjamin is, whether it is William or not, is still a mystery(?). Regards, David Lovelace -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bgsroots via Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:29 AM To: Lovelace List <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LL] Obituary of C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace - MD C.S. (Clarence Shriver) Lovelace < Benjamin Franklin Jr. > Sr . > Thomas > Benjamin > William > ? ...... Is this correct and can anyone complete this lineage? Thanks, Bob. ====================== C.S. Lovelace(1921 - 2016) Lovelace, C.S. C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace, 94, died peacefully Saturday, June 11, 2016. Born in Baltimore, MD on July 4, 1921, son of Olivia Brengle Shriver and Dr. Benjamin F. Lovelace, he attended Calvert School, Gilman School and Princeton University '44. Lovelace served in the Navy during WWII. Upon discharge, taught at Gilman School and had a twenty year career with Time, Inc. ending as Fortune magazine marketing director. Later he was vice president at American Heritage, consulted for Hearst, a publisher of Nautical Quarterly, Nantucket Magazine and an entrepreneur in education. Butsy summered on Nantucket, loved sailing, ocean racing, maritime history and land conservation. Lovelace was Trustee Emeritus of Mystic Seaport Museum, Commodore of Nantucket Yacht Club (1968-69), member of New York Yacht Club, Storm Trysail Club and Cruising Club of America. Retired to Essex CT, he wrote Tale of the Governor and Two Islands and From Out of Nowhere about Francis Lovelace, second governor of New ! York. Memoirs of a Lost Island: Remembrances of a Lifetime of Nantucket Summers followed A Nantucket Enclave: Monomoy Heights 1852- 2005 from Sheep Commons to Cottage Colony to Gold Coast. Survived by sons, Jeffrey C. Lovelace and wife Judy, Essex, CT, Donald S. Lovelace, Old Greenwich, CT, David S. Lovelace and wife Dayna, Norwalk, CT, daughter Olivia S. Lovelace and Kenneth Kubie, Norwalk, CT. He is survived by grandchildren Jeffrey Jr. and Leah O. Lovelace, Amy C. and Benjamin L. Kubie, Katherine O. Lovelace and great grandson Jeffrey Benjamin Lovelace. He was predeceased by his wife, Mary Jean Campbell, brother, Richard S. Lovelace and sister, Caroline Rutter Brown. A Memorial Service will be held July 4, 11:00AM at Essex Meadows, Essex, CT; interment on Nantucket this fall. In lieu of flowers, please make donations in his memory to Mystic Seaport Museum, Mystic, CT or Nantucket Conservation Foundation, Nantucket, MA. Arrangements by Robinson, Wright & Weymer Funeral Home, Centerbrook, CT. Funeral Home Robinson, Wright & Weymer Inc 34 Main St Centerbrook, CT 06409 (860) 767-8000 Published in GreenwichTime on June 26, 2016 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It was a custom page, the entries aren't good once it expires. To do the same chart, you would to the Multiple Kit Analysis and enter the list of GEDMATCH IDs. I find the A-Matrix, 3D CHR-Browse, Segment Traceability and Segment Matrix most useful. This facility is made for family autosomal projects. It's such a nice new feature. On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Jack D. Lovelace <lovelacejackd@verizon.net > wrote: > Lenny, > > When I click on one of the entries, I get the message "ERROR(53) Not > Logged in" from gedmatch. I registered and am currently logged in. > > What is my problem? > > On 6/30/2016 8:42 AM, Lenny Darnell via wrote: > >> One last entry with everyone who has replied to this thread and the others >> I know of: >> >> Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> >> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> A343028 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> T736348 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> >> A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert >> Lynn >> Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 6.9 >> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas >> Cates >> 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 >> A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie >> Bell >> Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 >> F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy >> Louise >> Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 >> T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb >> Loveless >> 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 >> F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML >> 16.9 >> 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 >> F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee >> 13.2 >> 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 >> M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia >> Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 >> F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr >> 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 >> A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette >> Johnson 8.3 >> T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. >> David >> 9.7 5.3 >> M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri >> Davis >> 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 >> T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack >> Wyatt >> 13.8 >> A343028 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> *mackwaco >> 6.9 >> >> T736348 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> David >> Wilson >> 5.3 >> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> ​I've added Paul, Terri and Jack to the Autosomal DNA comparison matrix >>> (7cM/700SNPs). It looks like Terri may be related to the Newberry 5. >>> >>> >>> ​ >>> Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> >>> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 >>> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> >>> A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert >>> Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 >>> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas >>> Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 >>> A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie >>> Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 >>> F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy >>> Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 >>> T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb >>> Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 >>> F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML >>> 16.9 >>> 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 >>> F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee >>> 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 >>> M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia >>> Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 >>> F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr >>> 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 >>> A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette >>> Johnson 8.3 >>> T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. >>> David 9.7 >>> M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri >>> Davis >>> 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 >>> T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack >>> Wyatt >>> 13.8 >>> ​ >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > -- > > Jack D. Lovelace >

Lenny, When I click on one of the entries, I get the message "ERROR(53) Not Logged in" from gedmatch. I registered and am currently logged in. What is my problem? On 6/30/2016 8:42 AM, Lenny Darnell via wrote: > One last entry with everyone who has replied to this thread and the others > I know of: > > Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> A343028 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> T736348 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert Lynn > Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 6.9 > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas Cates > 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie Bell > Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy Louise > Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb Loveless > 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee 13.2 > 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette > Johnson 8.3 > T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. David > 9.7 5.3 > M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri Davis > 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 > T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack Wyatt > 13.8 > A343028 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> *mackwaco 6.9 > > T736348 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> David Wilson > 5.3 > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ​I've added Paul, Terri and Jack to the Autosomal DNA comparison matrix >> (7cM/700SNPs). It looks like Terri may be related to the Newberry 5. >> >> >> ​ >> Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> >> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> >> A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert >> Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 >> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas >> Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 >> A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie >> Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 >> F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy >> Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 >> T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb >> Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 >> F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 >> 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 >> F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee >> 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 >> M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia >> Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 >> F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr >> 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 >> A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette >> Johnson 8.3 >> T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. >> David 9.7 >> M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri Davis >> 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 >> T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack Wyatt >> 13.8 >> ​ >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jack D. Lovelace

How is Marcia associated with Lovelace? On 6/30/2016 11:18 AM, Paul David via wrote: > Also came across a Marcia Lipscomb born 1722 died 1790 - associated with > Lovelace. Have you ever heard of her? -- Jack D. Lovelace

My kit is T787998. John Baptist Lovelace is my ancestor, When I have some time I will give my thoughts. Jack Wyatt

The Marcia Lipscomb is probably somehow connected to the Marcia Lipscomb who did so much erronous research on the Lovelaces in early 1900's.  She's the one who had John of the two wives and umpteen kids.  She had lumped all the early Lovelaces to one father. Lou Ann -----Original Message----- From: Paul David via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> To: Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com>; lovelace <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2016 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [LL] DNA matching Lenny, That Terri Davis was not Ward but a Goode. The only Goode family I know was out of Mecklenburg County, VA. Also came across a Marcia Lipscomb born 1722 died 1790 - associated with Lovelace. Have you ever heard of her? Paul On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > One last entry with everyone who has replied to this thread and the others > I know of: > > Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> A343028 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> T736348 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert Lynn > Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 6.9 > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas > Cates > 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie Bell > Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy > Louise > Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb > Loveless > 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee > 13.2 > 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette > Johnson 8.3 > T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. > David > 9.7 5.3 > M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri Davis > 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 > T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack Wyatt > 13.8 > A343028 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> *mackwaco > 6.9 > > T736348 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> David > Wilson > 5.3 > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > ​I've added Paul, Terri and Jack to the Autosomal DNA comparison matrix > > (7cM/700SNPs). It looks like Terri may be related to the Newberry 5. > > > > > > ​ > > Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> > > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert > > Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 > > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas > > Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie > > Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy > > Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 > > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb > > Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML > 16.9 > > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 > > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee > > 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 > > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia > > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 > > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr > > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette > > Johnson 8.3 > > T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. > > David 9.7 > > M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri > Davis > > 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 > > T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack > Wyatt > > 13.8 > > ​ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lenny, Thanks for the chart. I figured out how to do that sort of analysis on the gedmatch site thanks to you. Yes, the chart became a wall of text going through the listserv. At least it did on my computer. Maybe you could pdf the chart and put it in a shared folder on Dropbox, Box, etc. and give us a link to the folder or file. But it's helpful to have the list of kit numbers, because I can produce my own chart using those numbers. Jeb Loveless Arlington, Texas On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have not. > > Is that wall of text what the chart looks like on the list serve email? > > L > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Paul David <dpaul3048@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Lenny, > > > > That Terri Davis was not Ward but a Goode. > > The only Goode family I know was out of Mecklenburg County, VA. > > > > Also came across a Marcia Lipscomb born 1722 died 1790 - associated with > > Lovelace. Have you ever heard of her? > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Lenny Darnell via < > lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > wrote: > > > >> One last entry with everyone who has replied to this thread and the > others > >> I know of: > >> > >> Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > >> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> A343028 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> T736348 > >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> > >> A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert > >> Lynn > >> Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 6.9 > >> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas > >> Cates > >> 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > >> A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie > >> Bell > >> Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > >> F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy > >> Louise > >> Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 > >> T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb > >> Loveless > >> 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > >> F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML > >> 16.9 > >> 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 > >> F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee > >> 13.2 > >> 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 > >> M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia > >> Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 > >> F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr > >> 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > >> A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette > >> Johnson 8.3 > >> T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. > >> David > >> 9.7 5.3 > >> M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri > >> Davis > >> 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 > >> T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack > >> Wyatt > >> 13.8 > >> A343028 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> > *mackwaco > >> 6.9 > >> > >> T736348 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> David > >> Wilson > >> 5.3 > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > ​I've added Paul, Terri and Jack to the Autosomal DNA comparison > matrix > >> > (7cM/700SNPs). It looks like Terri may be related to the Newberry 5. > >> > > >> > > >> > ​ > >> > Kit name A898171 < > https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > >> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> > A002304 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 > >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> > >> > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert > >> > Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 > >> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas > >> > Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > >> > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie > >> > Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > >> > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy > >> > Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 > >> > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb > >> > Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > >> > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML > >> 16.9 > >> > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 > >> > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee > >> > 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 > >> > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> > Patricia > >> > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 > >> > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, > Jr > >> > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > >> > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> > Annette > >> > Johnson 8.3 > >> > T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul > G. > >> > David 9.7 > >> > M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri > >> Davis > >> > 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 > >> > T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack > >> Wyatt > >> > 13.8 > >> > ​ > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lenny, That Terri Davis was not Ward but a Goode. The only Goode family I know was out of Mecklenburg County, VA. Also came across a Marcia Lipscomb born 1722 died 1790 - associated with Lovelace. Have you ever heard of her? Paul On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > One last entry with everyone who has replied to this thread and the others > I know of: > > Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> A343028 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> T736348 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert Lynn > Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 6.9 > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas > Cates > 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie Bell > Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy > Louise > Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb > Loveless > 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee > 13.2 > 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette > Johnson 8.3 > T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. > David > 9.7 5.3 > M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri Davis > 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 > T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack Wyatt > 13.8 > A343028 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> *mackwaco > 6.9 > > T736348 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> David > Wilson > 5.3 > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > ​I've added Paul, Terri and Jack to the Autosomal DNA comparison matrix > > (7cM/700SNPs). It looks like Terri may be related to the Newberry 5. > > > > > > ​ > > Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 > > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> > > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert > > Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 > > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas > > Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie > > Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy > > Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 > > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb > > Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML > 16.9 > > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 > > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee > > 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 > > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia > > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 > > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr > > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette > > Johnson 8.3 > > T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. > > David 9.7 > > M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri > Davis > > 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 > > T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack > Wyatt > > 13.8 > > ​ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have not. Is that wall of text what the chart looks like on the list serve email? L On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Paul David <dpaul3048@gmail.com> wrote: > Lenny, > > That Terri Davis was not Ward but a Goode. > The only Goode family I know was out of Mecklenburg County, VA. > > Also came across a Marcia Lipscomb born 1722 died 1790 - associated with > Lovelace. Have you ever heard of her? > > Paul > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > >> One last entry with everyone who has replied to this thread and the others >> I know of: >> >> Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> >> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> A343028 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> T736348 >> <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> >> A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert >> Lynn >> Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 6.9 >> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas >> Cates >> 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 >> A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie >> Bell >> Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 >> F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy >> Louise >> Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 >> T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb >> Loveless >> 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 >> F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML >> 16.9 >> 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 >> F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee >> 13.2 >> 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 >> M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia >> Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 >> F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr >> 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 >> A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette >> Johnson 8.3 >> T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. >> David >> 9.7 5.3 >> M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri >> Davis >> 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 >> T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack >> Wyatt >> 13.8 >> A343028 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> *mackwaco >> 6.9 >> >> T736348 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> David >> Wilson >> 5.3 >> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > ​I've added Paul, Terri and Jack to the Autosomal DNA comparison matrix >> > (7cM/700SNPs). It looks like Terri may be related to the Newberry 5. >> > >> > >> > ​ >> > Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> >> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 >> > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> >> > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert >> > Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 >> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas >> > Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 >> > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie >> > Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 >> > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy >> > Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 >> > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb >> > Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 >> > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML >> 16.9 >> > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 >> > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee >> > 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 >> > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia >> > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 >> > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr >> > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 >> > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette >> > Johnson 8.3 >> > T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. >> > David 9.7 >> > M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri >> Davis >> > 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 >> > T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack >> Wyatt >> > 13.8 >> > ​ >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

One last entry with everyone who has replied to this thread and the others I know of: Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> A343028 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> T736348 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 6.9 M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette Johnson 8.3 T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. David 9.7 5.3 M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri Davis 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack Wyatt 13.8 A343028 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A343028> *mackwaco 6.9 T736348 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T736348> David Wilson 5.3 On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> wrote: > ​I've added Paul, Terri and Jack to the Autosomal DNA comparison matrix > (7cM/700SNPs). It looks like Terri may be related to the Newberry 5. > > > ​ > Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert > Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas > Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie > Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy > Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb > Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee > 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette > Johnson 8.3 > T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. > David 9.7 > M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri Davis > 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 > T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack Wyatt > 13.8 > ​ > >

Hi Everyone, I am the son of C.S. Lovelace. I have not been active on the list in quite some time, though I do watch it. When things settle down I will answer your question in more detail. But for now you lineage is correct. But of course who the father of Benjamin is, whether it is William or not, is still a mystery(?). Regards, David Lovelace -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bgsroots via Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:29 AM To: Lovelace List <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [LL] Obituary of C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace - MD C.S. (Clarence Shriver) Lovelace < Benjamin Franklin Jr. > Sr . > Thomas > Benjamin > William > ? ...... Is this correct and can anyone complete this lineage? Thanks, Bob. ====================== C.S. Lovelace(1921 - 2016) Lovelace, C.S. C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace, 94, died peacefully Saturday, June 11, 2016. Born in Baltimore, MD on July 4, 1921, son of Olivia Brengle Shriver and Dr. Benjamin F. Lovelace, he attended Calvert School, Gilman School and Princeton University '44. Lovelace served in the Navy during WWII. Upon discharge, taught at Gilman School and had a twenty year career with Time, Inc. ending as Fortune magazine marketing director. Later he was vice president at American Heritage, consulted for Hearst, a publisher of Nautical Quarterly, Nantucket Magazine and an entrepreneur in education. Butsy summered on Nantucket, loved sailing, ocean racing, maritime history and land conservation. Lovelace was Trustee Emeritus of Mystic Seaport Museum, Commodore of Nantucket Yacht Club (1968-69), member of New York Yacht Club, Storm Trysail Club and Cruising Club of America. Retired to Essex CT, he wrote Tale of the Governor and Two Islands and From Out of Nowhere about Francis Lovelace, second governor of New ! York. Memoirs of a Lost Island: Remembrances of a Lifetime of Nantucket Summers followed A Nantucket Enclave: Monomoy Heights 1852- 2005 from Sheep Commons to Cottage Colony to Gold Coast. Survived by sons, Jeffrey C. Lovelace and wife Judy, Essex, CT, Donald S. Lovelace, Old Greenwich, CT, David S. Lovelace and wife Dayna, Norwalk, CT, daughter Olivia S. Lovelace and Kenneth Kubie, Norwalk, CT. He is survived by grandchildren Jeffrey Jr. and Leah O. Lovelace, Amy C. and Benjamin L. Kubie, Katherine O. Lovelace and great grandson Jeffrey Benjamin Lovelace. He was predeceased by his wife, Mary Jean Campbell, brother, Richard S. Lovelace and sister, Caroline Rutter Brown. A Memorial Service will be held July 4, 11:00AM at Essex Meadows, Essex, CT; interment on Nantucket this fall. In lieu of flowers, please make donations in his memory to Mystic Seaport Museum, Mystic, CT or Nantucket Conservation Foundation, Nantucket, MA. Arrangements by Robinson, Wright & Weymer Funeral Home, Centerbrook, CT. Funeral Home Robinson, Wright & Weymer Inc 34 Main St Centerbrook, CT 06409 (860) 767-8000 Published in GreenwichTime on June 26, 2016 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

​I've added Paul, Terri and Jack to the Autosomal DNA comparison matrix (7cM/700SNPs). It looks like Terri may be related to the Newberry 5. ​ Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 17.1 T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 13.8 F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 21.8 M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 5.5 F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette Johnson 8.3 T273724 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T273724> Paul G. David 9.7 M087017 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M087017> Terri Davis 17.1 21.8 5.5 9.7 T787998 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T787998> *Jack Wyatt 13.8 ​

Here is another version of the Chart where I have taken the threshold down to 4cM/400SNP. By the way, Annette Johnson is not a Loveless, she is descended from a brother of Mary and Linna Hughes. Kit Name A898171 M727087 A002304 F173637 T962971 F348750 F348749 M625561 F348748 A237945 A898171 Robert Lynn Cates - 515.5 13.1 4.5 45.6 None None 14.6 4.3 13.5 M727087 Thomas Cates 515.5 - 7.0 None None 23.4 13.2 23.8 16.7 13.0 A002304 Hattie Bell Russell 13.1 7.0 - 24.7 38.9 27.3 42.9 9.5 9.4 9.0 F173637 Pansy Louise Lancaster Johnston 4.5 None 24.7 - None 25.8 35.3 8.9 8.1 None T962971 Jeb Loveless 45.6 None 38.9 None - 17.5 21.7 12.5 12.8 8.9 F348750 *BML None 23.4 27.3 25.8 17.5 - 3587.1 8.5 104.0 4.4 F348749 *Janee None 13.2 42.9 35.3 21.7 3587.1 - 41.1 1015.4 10.3 M625561 Patricia Shadoin-Ford 14.6 23.8 9.5 8.9 12.5 8.5 41.1 - 29.0 13.8 F348748 *JWC, Jr 4.3 16.7 9.4 8.1 12.8 104.0 1015.4 29.0 - 8.8 A237945 Annette Johnson 13.5 13.0 9.0 None 8.9 4.4 10.3 13.8 8.8 - On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> wrote: > This matrix shows the number of cM of matching segments over 5cM for a > number of people who are or may be descended from JTL/LH. You can see > BML, Janee and her cousin JWC, Jr. are closely related. And you can see > that Tom and Bob are 1c1r. Bob Cates and Jeb show a big relationship. > Tom has smaller relationships but with more of the group. > > Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 > <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> > A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert > Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 > M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas > Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 > A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie > Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 > F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy > Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 > T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb > Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 > F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 > 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 > F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee > 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 > M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia > Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 > F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr > 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 > A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette > Johnson 8.3 > I am not sure if this chart will come through intact on the list serve or > not, let me know. The best way to demonstrate our findings is with some > graphics. > > Lenny > > On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Jeb >> >> Never too long. Thanks for the details. I'm hoping that if we can >> collect enough GedMatch kits of people who suspect the Newberry five as >> their origin, we can start to show some patterns. >> >> BTW, Tom's closest Y match is Bill Loveless and his daughter Jane was the >> first Loveless I was in contact with and she really helped me out. A good >> set of cousins we have :-) >> >> Lenny >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Jeb Loveless <jebloveless@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Lenny, >>> >>> I'm glad you asked that question. I am relatively sure I descend from >>> James (Thomas?) Loveless and Linna Hughes. Becoming more sure of that fact >>> drives most of my interest in the DNA results. >>> >>> My descent from James (Thomas?) depends on whether my >>> great-great-grandfather William Loveless (b.1834 SC - d.1888 TX) is the >>> same person listed as Williamson Loveless, the son of John Harrison >>> Loveless and Clarissa Williamson, in the 1850 Census for Laurens, SC and in >>> the will and probate papers for Clarissa's estate in Alabama. (Her will was >>> also probated in Laurens, SC.) >>> >>> I believe they are the same person because: >>> 1. My g-g-grandfather's age and birth state in census records match >>> those of Williamson; >>> 2. Clarissa's probate papers listed Williamson's location in November >>> 1856 as being in Dallas, Texas, and William is documented to be in the >>> Dallas, Texas area from his 1859 marriage until his death in 1888; >>> 3. I can find no other likely candidates in South Carolina to be my >>> g-g-grandfather William; and >>> 4. The names Williamson and William are not completely different. >>> >>> But Jack has pointed out my Y-DNA test puts me out of the main Maryland >>> group to which we have assigned James (Thomas?) Loveless. That's not a >>> game-ender, though, because it's possible the key deviant marker in my >>> Y-DNA test is a mutation in a generation after James (Thomas?). Maybe the >>> autosomal DNA will show I really am a descendant of James (Thomas?) and not >>> some other Loveless ancestor. That would strengthen my theory that >>> Williamson = William. >>> >>> On FTDNA, my autosomal DNA matches show I'm a 4th cousin of Bill >>> Loveless, whose GEDCOM says he is a descendant of James (Thomas?) and whose >>> results are administered by his daughter Jane Elliott, a member of this >>> list. And Bill and I are separated by 4 markers on the 67-marker Y-DNA >>> test. If Williamson = William, then I actually would be a 4th cousin once >>> removed of Bill's. But maybe I need a third matching autosomal DNA result >>> to make that connection solid. >>> >>> Sorry to give such a long answer, but my fascination with my own >>> genealogy is deep, and who else can I talk to about it? Ha, ha. >>> >>> >>> Jeb Loveless >>> Arlington, Texas >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Lenny Darnell via < >>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Paul, >>>> >>>> Do you, Jeb Lovelace and Terri Davis all descend from JT Loveless 1771 >>>> and >>>> Linna Hughes? If not, then who? >>>> >>>> Lenny >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > The spreadsheet would also need oldest proven Loveless Ancestor on the >>>> > list. We have to realize that at every generation up the tree the >>>> > autosomal DNA may come from a wife rather than the Loveless man. >>>> But it >>>> > would be solid in the Loveless line from the couple down. >>>> > >>>> > Do we also want to collect segments that are triangulated up the tree >>>> on >>>> > wives line? For instance, I have a match between Tom and a person who >>>> > descends from a brother of Mary and Linna Hughes. They have no >>>> Loveless in >>>> > their line, but the data is meaningful to others who descend through >>>> Isaac >>>> > and James. >>>> > >>>> > L >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Paul, >>>> >> >>>> >> That is really good - you would need one for each person. I think >>>> I'll >>>> >> create one for Tom and one for Bob as the GedMatch kit #s are >>>> reported here. >>>> >> >>>> >> I am not sure what Greg will want as a way of tracking everyone, but >>>> I >>>> >> could see a spreadsheet with >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> - Kit 1 >>>> >> - Name 1 >>>> >> - Kit 2 >>>> >> - Name 2 >>>> >> - Chromosome >>>> >> - Start Matching Segment >>>> >> - End Matching Segment >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> The question is whether to enter each matching segment once, or >>>> twice, >>>> >> reversing kit#s and names so that you can sort and select either way >>>> (Think >>>> >> GEDMatch's triangulation report which is basically what we are >>>> doing). >>>> >> >>>> >> My question to Greg: Are you going to build the spreadsheet >>>> yourself >>>> >> and publish it from time to time, keep a current version >>>> non-editable on >>>> >> Google Docs or some other place - or make it editable where we each >>>> add our >>>> >> own matches. >>>> >> >>>> >> Lenny >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Paul David <dpaul3048@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Lenny >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Would this help? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Paul >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < >>>> >>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Lisa, your grandmother and Bob Cates have a small connection. >>>> this >>>> >>>> may be >>>> >>>> noise or not, depending if we can find a third party who shares it: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Comparing Kit A898171 (Robert Lynn Cates) and F173637 (Pansy Louise >>>> >>>> Lancaster Johnston) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs >>>> >>>> 21 14,667,761 16,338,264 4.5 446 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Lisa Gorrell via < >>>> >>>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > My grandmother, Pansy Louise Johnston's DNA is uploaded to >>>> GedMatch >>>> >>>> from >>>> >>>> > FTDNA. Her kit is ID F173637. She descends from James Loveless & >>>> Linna >>>> >>>> > Hughes. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Lisa Gorrell >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < >>>> >>>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> >>>> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > > Robert Cates is A898171 >>>> >>>> > > Tom Cates is M727087 >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > The are first cousins once removed. We suspect that Tom's >>>> great >>>> >>>> > > grandfather/Bob's GGgrandfater to be a Lovel***. We also have >>>> >>>> evidence >>>> >>>> > > that they are descended from ancestors of Linna and Mary >>>> Hughes. >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Sherry Mack < >>>> >>>> sherrymack82@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > > Great idea Greg! >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> > > > My mom tested at ancestry under the username Mackwaco and her >>>> >>>> gedmatch >>>> >>>> > > is: >>>> >>>> > > > A343028. I tested my cousin as well, but I discovered that >>>> she >>>> >>>> has a >>>> >>>> > > > second Lovel*** line. So I'll leave her out. I'm off the >>>> Samuel >>>> >>>> > > Loveless >>>> >>>> > > > (Jackson and Benton, Arkansas) line. >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> > > > Hopefully this will entice more to upload their results to >>>> >>>> gedmatch. >>>> >>>> > > > Thanks, >>>> >>>> > > > Sherry >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Lenny Darnell via < >>>> >>>> > > lovelace@rootsweb.com >>>> >>>> > > > > wrote: >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> > > >> Greg, a huge job indeed. Thank you. Would you like me to >>>> >>>> include >>>> >>>> > in >>>> >>>> > > my >>>> >>>> > > >> list people who may not be on this listserve, but have a >>>> >>>> Lovel*** line >>>> >>>> > > in >>>> >>>> > > >> their tree and have provided GEDMatch #s? Do you want to >>>> limit >>>> >>>> what >>>> >>>> > is >>>> >>>> > > >> reported to you to triangulated matches, or all 2-party >>>> matches >>>> >>>> which >>>> >>>> > > may >>>> >>>> > > >> or may not be Lovel***? One option is to collect 2-party >>>> >>>> matches for >>>> >>>> > > >> fourth cousin and better, but not for 5th cousin or worse. >>>> >>>> > > >> >>>> >>>> > > >> Thanks so much! >>>> >>>> > > >> >>>> >>>> > > >> Lenny >>>> >>>> > > >> >>>> >>>> > > >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Greg Lovelace via < >>>> >>>> > > lovelace@rootsweb.com >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> wrote: >>>> >>>> > > >> >>>> >>>> > > >> > OK, folks. >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > The time has come for me to bite the bullet and start to >>>> put >>>> >>>> > together >>>> >>>> > > a >>>> >>>> > > >> > spreadsheet of autosomal DNA matches. Maybe I can try to >>>> use >>>> >>>> some >>>> >>>> > of >>>> >>>> > > >> the >>>> >>>> > > >> > stuff I learned last summer to actually take a good look >>>> at >>>> >>>> some of >>>> >>>> > > the >>>> >>>> > > >> > matches and try to propose some conclusions. >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > In order for me to do that, I need to know from you >>>> cuzzins if >>>> >>>> you >>>> >>>> > > have >>>> >>>> > > >> had >>>> >>>> > > >> > an autosomal DNA test. If you have, who did you test >>>> with? >>>> >>>> Have >>>> >>>> > you >>>> >>>> > > >> > uploaded your results to GedMatch? If so, what is your >>>> >>>> Gedmatch kit >>>> >>>> > > >> > number? >>>> >>>> > > >> > Have you uploaded a gedcom to Gedmatch? If so, what is >>>> your >>>> >>>> gedcom >>>> >>>> > id >>>> >>>> > > >> > number? >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > This is a substantial undertaking, and it will probably >>>> take a >>>> >>>> long >>>> >>>> > > >> time to >>>> >>>> > > >> > compile. So now I know that Melissa tested with FTDNA and >>>> >>>> uploaded >>>> >>>> > > her >>>> >>>> > > >> > results. I've entered our matches (see my last email) >>>> into >>>> >>>> the new >>>> >>>> > > >> > spreadsheet. I'm ready for yours now. Please respond, >>>> either >>>> >>>> here >>>> >>>> > on >>>> >>>> > > >> the >>>> >>>> > > >> > list so other interested cousins can see, or privately to >>>> me at >>>> >>>> > > >> > greg@part-of-the-tree.com. >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > Peace, >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > Part of the Tree, >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > Greg >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> > ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> > > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> > > >> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> >>>> without >>>> >>>> > the >>>> >>>> > > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> > > >> > >>>> >>>> > > >> >>>> >>>> > > >> ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> > > >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> >>>> without the >>>> >>>> > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> > > >> >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> > > > >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > > ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> >>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>>> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >> >

This matrix shows the number of cM of matching segments over 5cM for a number of people who are or may be descended from JTL/LH. You can see BML, Janee and her cousin JWC, Jr. are closely related. And you can see that Tom and Bob are 1c1r. Bob Cates and Jeb show a big relationship. Tom has smaller relationships but with more of the group. Kit name A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> A898171 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A898171> Robert Lynn Cates 504.0 37.5 5.0 M727087 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M727087> Thomas Cates 504.0 7.0 16.9 13.2 13.0 7.1 8.3 A002304 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A002304> Hattie Bell Russell 7.0 19.5 30.3 18.5 24.7 5.4 F173637 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F173637> Pansy Louise Lancaster Johnston 19.5 20.9 28.8 T962971 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=T962971> Jeb Loveless 37.5 30.3 12.9 12.1 F348750 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348750> *BML 16.9 18.5 20.9 12.9 3587.1 98.1 F348749 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348749> *Janee 13.2 24.7 28.8 12.1 3587.1 32.6 1007.0 M625561 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=M625561> Patricia Shadoin-Ford 5.0 13.0 5.4 32.6 11.1 F348748 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=F348748> *JWC, Jr 7.1 98.1 1007.0 11.1 A237945 <https://www.gedmatch.com/r-list2.php?kit_num=A237945> Annette Johnson 8.3 I am not sure if this chart will come through intact on the list serve or not, let me know. The best way to demonstrate our findings is with some graphics. Lenny On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> wrote: > Jeb > > Never too long. Thanks for the details. I'm hoping that if we can > collect enough GedMatch kits of people who suspect the Newberry five as > their origin, we can start to show some patterns. > > BTW, Tom's closest Y match is Bill Loveless and his daughter Jane was the > first Loveless I was in contact with and she really helped me out. A good > set of cousins we have :-) > > Lenny > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Jeb Loveless <jebloveless@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Lenny, >> >> I'm glad you asked that question. I am relatively sure I descend from >> James (Thomas?) Loveless and Linna Hughes. Becoming more sure of that fact >> drives most of my interest in the DNA results. >> >> My descent from James (Thomas?) depends on whether my >> great-great-grandfather William Loveless (b.1834 SC - d.1888 TX) is the >> same person listed as Williamson Loveless, the son of John Harrison >> Loveless and Clarissa Williamson, in the 1850 Census for Laurens, SC and in >> the will and probate papers for Clarissa's estate in Alabama. (Her will was >> also probated in Laurens, SC.) >> >> I believe they are the same person because: >> 1. My g-g-grandfather's age and birth state in census records match those >> of Williamson; >> 2. Clarissa's probate papers listed Williamson's location in November >> 1856 as being in Dallas, Texas, and William is documented to be in the >> Dallas, Texas area from his 1859 marriage until his death in 1888; >> 3. I can find no other likely candidates in South Carolina to be my >> g-g-grandfather William; and >> 4. The names Williamson and William are not completely different. >> >> But Jack has pointed out my Y-DNA test puts me out of the main Maryland >> group to which we have assigned James (Thomas?) Loveless. That's not a >> game-ender, though, because it's possible the key deviant marker in my >> Y-DNA test is a mutation in a generation after James (Thomas?). Maybe the >> autosomal DNA will show I really am a descendant of James (Thomas?) and not >> some other Loveless ancestor. That would strengthen my theory that >> Williamson = William. >> >> On FTDNA, my autosomal DNA matches show I'm a 4th cousin of Bill >> Loveless, whose GEDCOM says he is a descendant of James (Thomas?) and whose >> results are administered by his daughter Jane Elliott, a member of this >> list. And Bill and I are separated by 4 markers on the 67-marker Y-DNA >> test. If Williamson = William, then I actually would be a 4th cousin once >> removed of Bill's. But maybe I need a third matching autosomal DNA result >> to make that connection solid. >> >> Sorry to give such a long answer, but my fascination with my own >> genealogy is deep, and who else can I talk to about it? Ha, ha. >> >> >> Jeb Loveless >> Arlington, Texas >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Paul, >>> >>> Do you, Jeb Lovelace and Terri Davis all descend from JT Loveless 1771 >>> and >>> Linna Hughes? If not, then who? >>> >>> Lenny >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > The spreadsheet would also need oldest proven Loveless Ancestor on the >>> > list. We have to realize that at every generation up the tree the >>> > autosomal DNA may come from a wife rather than the Loveless man. But >>> it >>> > would be solid in the Loveless line from the couple down. >>> > >>> > Do we also want to collect segments that are triangulated up the tree >>> on >>> > wives line? For instance, I have a match between Tom and a person who >>> > descends from a brother of Mary and Linna Hughes. They have no >>> Loveless in >>> > their line, but the data is meaningful to others who descend through >>> Isaac >>> > and James. >>> > >>> > L >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Paul, >>> >> >>> >> That is really good - you would need one for each person. I think >>> I'll >>> >> create one for Tom and one for Bob as the GedMatch kit #s are >>> reported here. >>> >> >>> >> I am not sure what Greg will want as a way of tracking everyone, but I >>> >> could see a spreadsheet with >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - Kit 1 >>> >> - Name 1 >>> >> - Kit 2 >>> >> - Name 2 >>> >> - Chromosome >>> >> - Start Matching Segment >>> >> - End Matching Segment >>> >>> >> >>> >> The question is whether to enter each matching segment once, or twice, >>> >> reversing kit#s and names so that you can sort and select either way >>> (Think >>> >> GEDMatch's triangulation report which is basically what we are doing). >>> >> >>> >> My question to Greg: Are you going to build the spreadsheet yourself >>> >> and publish it from time to time, keep a current version non-editable >>> on >>> >> Google Docs or some other place - or make it editable where we each >>> add our >>> >> own matches. >>> >> >>> >> Lenny >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Paul David <dpaul3048@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Lenny >>> >>> >>> >>> Would this help? >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < >>> >>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Lisa, your grandmother and Bob Cates have a small connection. this >>> >>>> may be >>> >>>> noise or not, depending if we can find a third party who shares it: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Comparing Kit A898171 (Robert Lynn Cates) and F173637 (Pansy Louise >>> >>>> Lancaster Johnston) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs >>> >>>> 21 14,667,761 16,338,264 4.5 446 >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Lisa Gorrell via < >>> >>>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> > My grandmother, Pansy Louise Johnston's DNA is uploaded to >>> GedMatch >>> >>>> from >>> >>>> > FTDNA. Her kit is ID F173637. She descends from James Loveless & >>> Linna >>> >>>> > Hughes. >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > Lisa Gorrell >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < >>> >>>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> >>> >>>> > wrote: >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > > Robert Cates is A898171 >>> >>>> > > Tom Cates is M727087 >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > The are first cousins once removed. We suspect that Tom's >>> great >>> >>>> > > grandfather/Bob's GGgrandfater to be a Lovel***. We also have >>> >>>> evidence >>> >>>> > > that they are descended from ancestors of Linna and Mary Hughes. >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Sherry Mack < >>> >>>> sherrymack82@gmail.com> >>> >>>> > > wrote: >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > > Great idea Greg! >>> >>>> > > > >>> >>>> > > > My mom tested at ancestry under the username Mackwaco and her >>> >>>> gedmatch >>> >>>> > > is: >>> >>>> > > > A343028. I tested my cousin as well, but I discovered that >>> she >>> >>>> has a >>> >>>> > > > second Lovel*** line. So I'll leave her out. I'm off the >>> Samuel >>> >>>> > > Loveless >>> >>>> > > > (Jackson and Benton, Arkansas) line. >>> >>>> > > > >>> >>>> > > > Hopefully this will entice more to upload their results to >>> >>>> gedmatch. >>> >>>> > > > Thanks, >>> >>>> > > > Sherry >>> >>>> > > > >>> >>>> > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Lenny Darnell via < >>> >>>> > > lovelace@rootsweb.com >>> >>>> > > > > wrote: >>> >>>> > > > >>> >>>> > > >> Greg, a huge job indeed. Thank you. Would you like me to >>> >>>> include >>> >>>> > in >>> >>>> > > my >>> >>>> > > >> list people who may not be on this listserve, but have a >>> >>>> Lovel*** line >>> >>>> > > in >>> >>>> > > >> their tree and have provided GEDMatch #s? Do you want to >>> limit >>> >>>> what >>> >>>> > is >>> >>>> > > >> reported to you to triangulated matches, or all 2-party >>> matches >>> >>>> which >>> >>>> > > may >>> >>>> > > >> or may not be Lovel***? One option is to collect 2-party >>> >>>> matches for >>> >>>> > > >> fourth cousin and better, but not for 5th cousin or worse. >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > >> Thanks so much! >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > >> Lenny >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Greg Lovelace via < >>> >>>> > > lovelace@rootsweb.com >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> wrote: >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > >> > OK, folks. >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > The time has come for me to bite the bullet and start to >>> put >>> >>>> > together >>> >>>> > > a >>> >>>> > > >> > spreadsheet of autosomal DNA matches. Maybe I can try to >>> use >>> >>>> some >>> >>>> > of >>> >>>> > > >> the >>> >>>> > > >> > stuff I learned last summer to actually take a good look at >>> >>>> some of >>> >>>> > > the >>> >>>> > > >> > matches and try to propose some conclusions. >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > In order for me to do that, I need to know from you >>> cuzzins if >>> >>>> you >>> >>>> > > have >>> >>>> > > >> had >>> >>>> > > >> > an autosomal DNA test. If you have, who did you test with? >>> >>>> Have >>> >>>> > you >>> >>>> > > >> > uploaded your results to GedMatch? If so, what is your >>> >>>> Gedmatch kit >>> >>>> > > >> > number? >>> >>>> > > >> > Have you uploaded a gedcom to Gedmatch? If so, what is >>> your >>> >>>> gedcom >>> >>>> > id >>> >>>> > > >> > number? >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > This is a substantial undertaking, and it will probably >>> take a >>> >>>> long >>> >>>> > > >> time to >>> >>>> > > >> > compile. So now I know that Melissa tested with FTDNA and >>> >>>> uploaded >>> >>>> > > her >>> >>>> > > >> > results. I've entered our matches (see my last email) into >>> >>>> the new >>> >>>> > > >> > spreadsheet. I'm ready for yours now. Please respond, >>> either >>> >>>> here >>> >>>> > on >>> >>>> > > >> the >>> >>>> > > >> > list so other interested cousins can see, or privately to >>> me at >>> >>>> > > >> > greg@part-of-the-tree.com. >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > Peace, >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > Part of the Tree, >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > Greg >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> > ------------------------------- >>> >>>> > > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>>> > > >> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> >>>> without >>> >>>> > the >>> >>>> > > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>> > > >> > >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > >> ------------------------------- >>> >>>> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>>> > > >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> >>>> without the >>> >>>> > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>> > > >> >>> >>>> > > > >>> >>>> > > > >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > > ------------------------------- >>> >>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>>> > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>> > > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > ------------------------------- >>> >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>>> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> >>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >>>> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

Jeb Never too long. Thanks for the details. I'm hoping that if we can collect enough GedMatch kits of people who suspect the Newberry five as their origin, we can start to show some patterns. BTW, Tom's closest Y match is Bill Loveless and his daughter Jane was the first Loveless I was in contact with and she really helped me out. A good set of cousins we have :-) Lenny On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Jeb Loveless <jebloveless@gmail.com> wrote: > Lenny, > > I'm glad you asked that question. I am relatively sure I descend from > James (Thomas?) Loveless and Linna Hughes. Becoming more sure of that fact > drives most of my interest in the DNA results. > > My descent from James (Thomas?) depends on whether my > great-great-grandfather William Loveless (b.1834 SC - d.1888 TX) is the > same person listed as Williamson Loveless, the son of John Harrison > Loveless and Clarissa Williamson, in the 1850 Census for Laurens, SC and in > the will and probate papers for Clarissa's estate in Alabama. (Her will was > also probated in Laurens, SC.) > > I believe they are the same person because: > 1. My g-g-grandfather's age and birth state in census records match those > of Williamson; > 2. Clarissa's probate papers listed Williamson's location in November 1856 > as being in Dallas, Texas, and William is documented to be in the Dallas, > Texas area from his 1859 marriage until his death in 1888; > 3. I can find no other likely candidates in South Carolina to be my > g-g-grandfather William; and > 4. The names Williamson and William are not completely different. > > But Jack has pointed out my Y-DNA test puts me out of the main Maryland > group to which we have assigned James (Thomas?) Loveless. That's not a > game-ender, though, because it's possible the key deviant marker in my > Y-DNA test is a mutation in a generation after James (Thomas?). Maybe the > autosomal DNA will show I really am a descendant of James (Thomas?) and not > some other Loveless ancestor. That would strengthen my theory that > Williamson = William. > > On FTDNA, my autosomal DNA matches show I'm a 4th cousin of Bill Loveless, > whose GEDCOM says he is a descendant of James (Thomas?) and whose results > are administered by his daughter Jane Elliott, a member of this list. And > Bill and I are separated by 4 markers on the 67-marker Y-DNA test. If > Williamson = William, then I actually would be a 4th cousin once removed of > Bill's. But maybe I need a third matching autosomal DNA result to make that > connection solid. > > Sorry to give such a long answer, but my fascination with my own genealogy > is deep, and who else can I talk to about it? Ha, ha. > > > Jeb Loveless > Arlington, Texas > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Lenny Darnell via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Paul, >> >> Do you, Jeb Lovelace and Terri Davis all descend from JT Loveless 1771 and >> Linna Hughes? If not, then who? >> >> Lenny >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > The spreadsheet would also need oldest proven Loveless Ancestor on the >> > list. We have to realize that at every generation up the tree the >> > autosomal DNA may come from a wife rather than the Loveless man. But >> it >> > would be solid in the Loveless line from the couple down. >> > >> > Do we also want to collect segments that are triangulated up the tree on >> > wives line? For instance, I have a match between Tom and a person who >> > descends from a brother of Mary and Linna Hughes. They have no >> Loveless in >> > their line, but the data is meaningful to others who descend through >> Isaac >> > and James. >> > >> > L >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Paul, >> >> >> >> That is really good - you would need one for each person. I think I'll >> >> create one for Tom and one for Bob as the GedMatch kit #s are reported >> here. >> >> >> >> I am not sure what Greg will want as a way of tracking everyone, but I >> >> could see a spreadsheet with >> >> >> >> >> >> - Kit 1 >> >> - Name 1 >> >> - Kit 2 >> >> - Name 2 >> >> - Chromosome >> >> - Start Matching Segment >> >> - End Matching Segment >> >> >> >> >> The question is whether to enter each matching segment once, or twice, >> >> reversing kit#s and names so that you can sort and select either way >> (Think >> >> GEDMatch's triangulation report which is basically what we are doing). >> >> >> >> My question to Greg: Are you going to build the spreadsheet yourself >> >> and publish it from time to time, keep a current version non-editable >> on >> >> Google Docs or some other place - or make it editable where we each >> add our >> >> own matches. >> >> >> >> Lenny >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Paul David <dpaul3048@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Lenny >> >>> >> >>> Would this help? >> >>> >> >>> Paul >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < >> >>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Lisa, your grandmother and Bob Cates have a small connection. this >> >>>> may be >> >>>> noise or not, depending if we can find a third party who shares it: >> >>>> >> >>>> Comparing Kit A898171 (Robert Lynn Cates) and F173637 (Pansy Louise >> >>>> Lancaster Johnston) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Chr Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM) SNPs >> >>>> 21 14,667,761 16,338,264 4.5 446 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Lisa Gorrell via < >> >>>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> > My grandmother, Pansy Louise Johnston's DNA is uploaded to GedMatch >> >>>> from >> >>>> > FTDNA. Her kit is ID F173637. She descends from James Loveless & >> Linna >> >>>> > Hughes. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Lisa Gorrell >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Lenny Darnell via < >> >>>> lovelace@rootsweb.com> >> >>>> > wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > > Robert Cates is A898171 >> >>>> > > Tom Cates is M727087 >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > The are first cousins once removed. We suspect that Tom's great >> >>>> > > grandfather/Bob's GGgrandfater to be a Lovel***. We also have >> >>>> evidence >> >>>> > > that they are descended from ancestors of Linna and Mary Hughes. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Sherry Mack < >> >>>> sherrymack82@gmail.com> >> >>>> > > wrote: >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > > Great idea Greg! >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > My mom tested at ancestry under the username Mackwaco and her >> >>>> gedmatch >> >>>> > > is: >> >>>> > > > A343028. I tested my cousin as well, but I discovered that she >> >>>> has a >> >>>> > > > second Lovel*** line. So I'll leave her out. I'm off the >> Samuel >> >>>> > > Loveless >> >>>> > > > (Jackson and Benton, Arkansas) line. >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > Hopefully this will entice more to upload their results to >> >>>> gedmatch. >> >>>> > > > Thanks, >> >>>> > > > Sherry >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Lenny Darnell via < >> >>>> > > lovelace@rootsweb.com >> >>>> > > > > wrote: >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >> Greg, a huge job indeed. Thank you. Would you like me to >> >>>> include >> >>>> > in >> >>>> > > my >> >>>> > > >> list people who may not be on this listserve, but have a >> >>>> Lovel*** line >> >>>> > > in >> >>>> > > >> their tree and have provided GEDMatch #s? Do you want to >> limit >> >>>> what >> >>>> > is >> >>>> > > >> reported to you to triangulated matches, or all 2-party >> matches >> >>>> which >> >>>> > > may >> >>>> > > >> or may not be Lovel***? One option is to collect 2-party >> >>>> matches for >> >>>> > > >> fourth cousin and better, but not for 5th cousin or worse. >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> Thanks so much! >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> Lenny >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Greg Lovelace via < >> >>>> > > lovelace@rootsweb.com >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> wrote: >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> > OK, folks. >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > The time has come for me to bite the bullet and start to put >> >>>> > together >> >>>> > > a >> >>>> > > >> > spreadsheet of autosomal DNA matches. Maybe I can try to >> use >> >>>> some >> >>>> > of >> >>>> > > >> the >> >>>> > > >> > stuff I learned last summer to actually take a good look at >> >>>> some of >> >>>> > > the >> >>>> > > >> > matches and try to propose some conclusions. >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > In order for me to do that, I need to know from you cuzzins >> if >> >>>> you >> >>>> > > have >> >>>> > > >> had >> >>>> > > >> > an autosomal DNA test. If you have, who did you test with? >> >>>> Have >> >>>> > you >> >>>> > > >> > uploaded your results to GedMatch? If so, what is your >> >>>> Gedmatch kit >> >>>> > > >> > number? >> >>>> > > >> > Have you uploaded a gedcom to Gedmatch? If so, what is your >> >>>> gedcom >> >>>> > id >> >>>> > > >> > number? >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > This is a substantial undertaking, and it will probably >> take a >> >>>> long >> >>>> > > >> time to >> >>>> > > >> > compile. So now I know that Melissa tested with FTDNA and >> >>>> uploaded >> >>>> > > her >> >>>> > > >> > results. I've entered our matches (see my last email) into >> >>>> the new >> >>>> > > >> > spreadsheet. I'm ready for yours now. Please respond, >> either >> >>>> here >> >>>> > on >> >>>> > > >> the >> >>>> > > >> > list so other interested cousins can see, or privately to >> me at >> >>>> > > >> > greg@part-of-the-tree.com. >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > Peace, >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > Part of the Tree, >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > Greg >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> > ------------------------------- >> >>>> > > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>> > > >> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>>> without >> >>>> > the >> >>>> > > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>> > > >> > >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > >> ------------------------------- >> >>>> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>> > > >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >>>> without the >> >>>> > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>> > > >> >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > ------------------------------- >> >>>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>> > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> >>>> the >> >>>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > ------------------------------- >> >>>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>> > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> >>>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------- >> >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>>> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

While we are asking about William, who is the William Lovelace that many trees have as the father of variuos members of the Newberry five? These trees also have JB as his father, but some of them have a birthdate for JB as far back as 1890. When I put him in my tree as the father of JT 1771 I got all sorts of tree matches. - William Lovelace 1743–1815 <http://person.ancestry.com/tree/65059663/person/36135753887> - Hazel Margaret Kern 1750–1815 <http://person.ancestry.com/tree/65059663/person/36135753888> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Brondak via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 6/27/16 8:09:48 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > > Jack says: > > > > >>>>Lovelace, John (#63155) (1745-b1790) (son of John (#67144) & Jane) > > no known children > > > I don't know of this John. What proves one with these dates? > > > >>>>>Lovelace, John (#36294) (c1767-1835) (son of William (c1742-c1795) > wife unknown > > I'm not sure who these are. Who is this William? > > >>>>>>Lovelace, John (#2956) (c1789-c1865) (son of William (c1762-c1815)) > wife unknown > > Who is this William? > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Evelyn Putt KENDALLVILLE — Evelyn Irene Putt, age 96, of Kendallville, died on Monday, June 27, 2016, at North Ridge Village Nursing Center in Albion, Indiana. Mrs. Putt was born in DeKalb County, Indiana, on November 19, 1919 to the late Harry and Hazel (Brew) Foster. She graduated from Ashley High School in 1936 and later received her registered nurse diploma from the Lutheran School of Nursing in Fort Wayne. She married Allen O. Putt on March 5, 1943, in Norfolk, Virginia. Allen preceded her in death on Sept. 12, 1995. Evelyn was a registered nurse for more than 40 years. She started her nursing career in New Orleans in 1943, moved to Norfolk, Virginia, where Allen was serving in the Navy, and spent more than 30 years working at McCray Hospital in Kendallville. Evelyn loved the sunshine and spending her days outdoors. They always put out a big vegetable garden every summer. She also grew rhubarb and red raspberries and loved selling her produce at her roadside stand. She also enjoyed quilting and crocheting. Survivors include two daughters, Deedra and Doug Atz of Kendallville and Alana and Richard Sibert of Kendallville; seven grandchildren, Jacob and Rachel Atz of Bloomington, Abigail and Jeremy Creigh of Fort Wayne, Gabe Atz of Indianapolis, Sadie and Alex Deig of Mt. Vernon, Tim and Laura Sibert of Kendallville, Jenny and Shaun Loveless of Huntertown and Steve and Angie Sibert of Kendallville; and seven great-grandchildren, Ella Creigh, Treven Creigh, Ruby Deig, Nick Sibert, Sam Sibert, Kane Sibert and Taylor Sibert. She was also preceded in death by her sister, Arlene Poppy, and her brother, Donald Foster. Graveside funeral services and burial will be Friday, July 1, 2016, at 2 p.m. at Lake View Cemetery in Kendallville. Officiating the funeral service will be the Rev. Dan Barker. No visitation is scheduled. Memorial donations may be made to Noble County Humane Society. Hite Funeral Home in Kendallville is in charge of arrangements. Send a condolence to the family at www.hitefuneralhome.com. Funeral Home Hite Funeral Home 403 S Main St Kendallville, IN 46755 (260) 347-1653

Bonnie E. Evans(1929 - 2016) 1929 ~ 2016 Bonnie E. Evans was born Nov. 20, 1929 in Provo, UT to Leland Caleb Evans and Martha Loveless. She passed away on June 27, 2016. She was sealed to her forever sweetheart, Gordon DeLong Evans, on March 20, 1950 in the SLC LDS Temple. They lived in SLC for 27 years, Provo for 22 years and Orem for 17 years. Bonnie was a wonderful mother to her 5 children and was known as Grandma Cookie or Bunny to 19 grandchildren and 22+2 great grandchildren. Bonnie was active in the LDS Church serving in Primary, Relief Society, Cub Scouts and serving two missions with her husband. She was PTA president for 5 years and employed as a secretary and dental assistant. She dearly loved her husband of 66 years and dedicated her life to loving and caring for him and her 5 children. She enjoyed dancing, going to the theater with Gordon and camping/traveling with her family. She is survived by her husband, Gordon; five children: Gordon K. (Valarie) Evans, L. Cory (Markae) Evans, Martie (John) Breivik, Curtis J. (Julie) Evans, Melissa (Samuel) DeLong. Funeral services will be held Friday, July 1, 2016 at the Cascade 7th Ward Chapel, 400 E. 400 N., Orem at 12 noon with a viewing at 10 a.m. prior to the services. Interment: Orem City Cemetery. In celebration of Bonnie's life and at her request, family and friends are invited to an Ice Cream Social at 2 p.m. following the interment (Cascade 7th Ward Chapel). Please share condolences at www.serenicare.com Funeral Home Serenicare Funeral Home 2281 South West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 801-906-0490 Published in Deseret News from June 29 to June 30, 2016

James "Jim" Devitt Jr.(1947 - 2016) James "Jim" Devitt, Jr. August 24, 1947- June 26, 2016 Cataula, GA- James "Jim" Devitt, Jr., 68, of Cataula, GA died Sunday, June 26, 2016 at his home. Funeral services will be held 2:00 PM Wednesday, June 29, 2016 in the Chapel of McMullen Funeral Home and Crematory with Rev. Dan MacMinn officiating. The family will receive friends Wednesday afternoon from 1:00 to 2:00 PM at the funeral home. Mr. Devitt was born August 24, 1947 in Buffalo, NY, son of James Francis Devitt, Sr. and Janet Lovelace Devitt. He worked in advertising as the owner of Diamond Jim Devitt Advertising. Jim was a loving husband and father and was an active member of Bigham Chapel United Methodist Church. He served in Vietnam and was assigned to C Company 4th Infantry Battalion as a Combat Medic. Jim was awarded two purple hearts during his tour in 1969. He was preceded in death by his father, James Francis Devitt, Sr. Survivors include his wife, JaneAnne Devitt, mother, Janet Lovelace Devitt, two daughters, Jennifer Devitt, and Holly Blackmon, son, James Devitt, III (Kasey), brother, Guy Devitt (Polly), sister, Laurie Devitt, and 8 grandchildren. Those who wish may sign the on-line guest registry at www.mcmullenfuneralhome.com. Funeral Home McMullen Funeral Home 3874 GENTIAN BLVD Columbus, GA 31907 706-569-8015 Published in Columbus Ledger-Enquirer on June 28, 2016