20160708AO Marian (Sims) Loveless LOVELESS Marian Sims, 83, of Hillsboro, passed away on June 30, 2016. Services were conducted at 2 p.m. on Saturday, July 3, at Central Funeral Home. Burial was in Hillsboro Methodist Cemetery. Central Funeral Home in charge of arrangements. Funeral Home Central Funeral Home 2812 Hillsboro Hwy. Manchester, TN 37355 931-723-7774 Published in Tullahoma News on July 8, 2016 ======= >From the funeral home: MARIAN LOVELESS (August 18, 1932 - June 30, 2016) Marian Loveless passed away June 30, 2016. She was born August 18, 1932, in Birmingham, Alabama, to the late Floyd and Flora Christine Sims. She was preceded in death by her husband Richard Loveless and 1 sister; Martha Helen Sims Bradley. Marian was the organist for many years at the Hillsboro United Methodist church in Hillsboro, Tennessee. Before her retiring, Marian was a Federal Court Clerk employed by the Federal District Court in Winchester, Tennessee and worked as Secretary of the AEDC Guard Branch. She enjoyed going to plays and musicals at TPAC as well as being an avid reader and crossword puzzle worker and was a huge Tennessee Vols fan. She was also a square dancer and a member of the "Hix Chix" square dance club. Marian enjoyed spending time with her family and all of their activities, friends, and her grand dogs. Marian has 3 sons; Richard and Marika Loveless of Asheville, North Carolina, Alan and Betty Loveless of Murfreesboro, Tennessee and Ben and Cheryl Loveless of Manchester, Tennessee, 6 grandchildren; Wendee Loveless Miller, Chris Loveless of Seattle, Washington, Mitchel Alan Loveless II of Nashville, Tennessee, Katie Loveless Corley of The Woodlands, Texas, Adam Loveless of Manchester, Tennessee, and Jennifer Faulk, 7 great-grandchildren; Morgan Miller, Avery Corley, Sadie Corley, Mitchel Alan Loveless III (Trip), Jack Faulk, Camryn Faulk, and Payton Faulk, 2 brothers; Ed and Joe Sims, both of Alabama, Special friends; Chris Lasater, Joyce Vaughn, Saralynn Sims, and her grand dogs, Kolar, DaKota, Gracie, and Brody. Visitation: Saturday, July 2, 5-9:00 P.M. Service: Central Funeral Home, Saturday, July 3, 2016, at 2:00 P.M. Burial: Hillsboro Methodist Cemetery In Lieu of flowers the family requests donations to be made to the Hillsboro Methodist Church in Hillsboro, Tennessee. Central Funeral Home is in charge of the arrangements.

JUNE SMITH March 28, 1924 - July 5, 2016 OKLAHOMA CITY June Nichols Smith was born Artie June Gibson on March 28, 1924 in Oklahoma City. She passed away on July 5th, 2016. June attended Capitol Hill and Central High Schools and Oklahoma City University, where she studied English and Journalism. She was baptized with her children and was a member of St. John's Episcopal Church, OKC. She loved her family very much. She was a loving mother, grandmother and great grandmother to her children, always concerned with their happiness and well-being.June enjoyed boating and attending O.U. football games with her husband, C.W. Smith. Her hobbies at other times in her life were raising and showing Dachshund dogs and playing golf and tennis. She also loved reading, music, movies, traveling and dancing of all kinds.In 1985, after years of aerobic dancing, she took up tap dancing as a hobby, and became a member of "Happy Hoofer's" dance team in OKC and performed every season until 2008 at various churches, nursing homes, hospitals, senior citizens functions and at the annual Festival of the Arts with "Tarpley's Tappers".She is preceded in death by her husband C. W. Smith and her son John W. Nichols and her daughter-in-law Kris Nichols. She is survived by sons: Jerry R. Nichols, Tulsa, OK, Pat Nichols and his wife Debbie Nichols of Ardmore, OK, daughter, Robyn Harrell and her husband Bob Harrell of Houston. Her grandchildren Carter Nichols of Okla. City, Nancy Loveless and her husband Blake Loveless and children, Erika and Blake of Tulsa. Erin Peters and her husband John Peters of Tulsa, OK, and children JJ and Vincent, and Justin Nichols of Tulsa, OK, and Ryan Rouse of Houston, TX.We are forever changed and blessed by the time we spent with this wonderful woman, and will forever miss her in our hearts.Funeral services will be at 11:00 AM Monday, July 11, 2016, at Hahn-Cook/Street & Draper Funeral Directors, 6600 Broadway Extension, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73116. Internment for immediate family will follow at Rose Hill Burial Park, 6001 NW Grand Blvd., Oklahoma City, OK 73118. Funeral Home Hahn-Cook/Street & Draper Funeral Directors 6600 Broadway Extension Oklahoma City, OK 731161298 (405) 848-3744 Published in The Oklahoman on July 9, 2016

Crawford M. <- Thomas Crawford <- William Perry <- Thomas Eugene <- Nathan <- Asa <- Barton <- Benjamin Mildred Lovelace (July 31, 1929 - July 5, 2016) Mildred Brown Lovelace, age 86, a resident of Kings Mountain, NC. peacefully went to her heavenly reward surrounded by her loving family at her home on Tuesday, July 5, 2016. Born in Greenville, SC, daughter of the late Herman Isacc Sisk an Carrie Isabelle Gilliland Sisk, and was also preceded in death by her husbands the late Grayson Brown and the late C.M. Lovelace and was also preceded in death by daughter, Julie Brown Crawford, grandchildren, Michael Neil Crawford and Andrew David Bunch, and a sister, Lena Browning. She was an active member of First Wesleyan Church and a member of the “Young At Heart”. She loved to walk and read an go out with friends. She loved the Lord with all of her heart and taught all of her children to serve him. Mrs. Lovelace retired from Eaton Corporation, Kings Mountain, NC SURVIVORS: Sons: Lonnie “Rocky” Brown and wife Joy, Kings Mountain, NC David Brown and wife Laura, Kings Mountain, NC Daughter: Linda Brown Bunch, Kings Mountain, NC Sisters: Christine Abercombie, Townfield, SC, Juanita Carter, Greenville, SC Imogene Worley, Honea Path, SC Grandchildren: Lonnie “Charley Brown and Deborah, Stephanie Brown Wilson and Ronnie, Stevan Robbins and Heather, Annie Robbins Butler and Jason, Jessica Brown Floyd, David Brown, Jr., Carrie Brown, Great Grandchildren: Riley, Gracie, Zachary, Garrett, Eli, Jacob, Havan, Sophie, Sarah, Sam, Gavin, Julie-Ana FUNERAL SERVICE: First Wesleyan Church, Friday, July 8, 2016 at 2:00 P.M. Rev. Don Williams, Rev Mike Chambers, Rev. Randy Patterson, officiating. VISITATION: 12:30 to 1:30 Friday, July 8th, 2016 in the Dorcus Sunday School Class of First Wesleyan Church INTERMENT: Mountain Rest Cemetery, Kings Mountain, NC Source: http://www.harrisfunerals.com/

note Lovelace may be a middle name... Bob. Kevin D. Fulsom Fulsom, Kevin D. Age 55, Fell asleep in death July 1, 2016. Loving husband of 36 years to Veronica "Ronnie" (nee Grayson). Proud father of Kavone, Monica R. (Kevin), Monica A., Jorim, Rachelle (Kimmel) and Andres. Dearest grandpa of Kayla, Cattleya, Lamara and Richard. Further survived by his mother Gloria A. Mays-Fulsom, his brother Gary (Penny), nieces, nephews, other relatives and many loving friends. Kevin is preceded in death by his father Samuel Jr., 2 brothers Steve Lovelace and Craig. Visitation will be held Saturday, July 9th from 1:30PM until time of services at 2PM at Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses 5747 N. 29th St. Interment Highland Memorial Park cemetery. Funeral Home Peace of Mind Funeral Home 5325 West Greenfield Avenue Milwaukee, WI 53214 (414) 453-1562 Published in Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on July 8, 2016

Rose Juanita Root Roberts(1929 - 2016) ROBERTS, Rose Juanita Root Born Feb. 4, 1929 passed away July 6, 2016. Graduated from Marshall High School attended East Texas Baptist College. Preceded in death by her loving husband, Roy Ray Roberts; her parents, Arthur and Myrtle Root; twin sister, Ruth Carter Loveless; brothers and sister-in-laws, Vernon Dale "Bud" Root, Albert Leroy Root and Margie, Charles Arthur "Bubba" Root and Ruby. Survived by daughter, Yvonne Flowers and son-in-law, Greg Flowers; daughter, Marie Roberts and life partner, Annette Baumgartner; grandson Denver Ray Roberts Baumgartner; sister-in-law, Evelyn Sadler and numerous nieces, nephews and loving friends. When she wasn't working or doting on family members, she was either fishing or asking someone to take her fishing. Family will receive friends on July 8, 2016 from 6-8 PM at Restland Funeral Home. Service will be held on July 9, 2016 at 2:30 PM at Restland Memorial Chapel. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to The Widow Ministry at The Heights Baptist Richardson. The family wishes to thank the CCU team of The Medical Center of Plano for their loving care. Funeral Home Restland Funeral Home and Cemetery - Dallas 13005 Greenville Avenue Dallas, TX 75243 (972) 238-7111 Published in Dallas Morning News on July 8, 2016

Loretta Marie Montoya Montoya, Loretta Marie Loretta Montoya touched our lives and hearts with such happiness, love and the most beautiful smile ever created. On July 4, 2016, our happiness turned to sadness and our hearts became broken, as Loretta passed away from her earthly home, into the loving arms of our Lord Jesus Christ. Loretta fought a valiant fight against an evil cancer, never complaining, never losing her spirit and determination, until she could fight no more. She is our hero. Loretta was born on July 10, 1956, in Las Vegas, New Mexico, to very proud parents, Connie Herrera and Lawrence Tafoya, who survive her. She was a most beautiful bride as she was united in marriage to Bobby C. Montoya, on February 19, 1977. They were just 7 months shy from completing 40 years of marriage. From this union they have three wonderful and loving sons, Christopher, Robert Lee, and Ryan. Loretta was so proud of her family and their accomplishments. There was nothing she wouldn't do for them. Loretta was a 1974 graduate of Robertson High School in Las Vegas, N.M., where she excelled in academics. She was very active in many school activities. Loretta went on to receive her Bachelor of Arts and Master's degree in Social Work, at New Mexico Highlands University. She would retire from Children, Youth and Families Department, after devoting over 30 years of service. To say she was dedicated and hard-working, would be an understatement. She had so much compassion for children and families involved in the system. She believed in fairness and taking every opportunity given, to help families become successful. She believed in those that no one else would believe in. She was a true social worker in every sense of the word. Loretta and her family enjoyed many vacations together, especially during the last ten years. All of them are avid UNM Lobo fans and would attend the Mountain West Tournament in Las Vegas, Nevada as a family. With never a dull moment amongst them, Loretta looked forward to this every year. Whether it was paragliding in Mexico, horseback riding in the Bahamas, or zip-lining in Belize, Loretta lived her life to the fullest. She was determined to not let cancer rule her life. Loretta was an excellent and talented seamstress and quilt maker. She always had a project going on. From making prom dresses, banners for schools, making her beautiful quilts for family members and grandchildren, to sewing dresses for children in Haiti, she was always ready to take on something new and challenging. We can only be inspired by her lovely patterns, and vibrant colors she chose, to live our lives with the same passion, commitment, and love that she lived hers. Loretta is preceded in death by her father-in-law, Abelino Montoya Sr., her mother-in-law Lucille Montoya, brother-in- law Fred Montoya, step-father Paul Edwards, and her beloved dog Poker. Surviving Loretta is her loving husband Bobby C. Montoya, of the family home in Rio Rancho, NM; sons, Christopher Montoya and wife Brandie of Albuquerque, NM, Robert Lee Montoya and wife Jami of Ft. Collins, Colorado and Ryan Montoya of Denver, Colorado; Also, her beautiful grandchildren, whom she loved with all of her heart, Cameron, Mason, Mylee and Lucy; sisters, Debbie Pajak and husband Dan of Mesa, Arizona, Christine Duran and husband Martin of Las Vegas, NM, Martha Beiser and husband Doug of Fountain Valley, California; one brother, Larry Tafoya and wife Carly of Rio Rancho, NM; sisters-in-law, Dulia Montoya, Teresa Duran and husband Henry, Bernadette Sena and husband Ben, Katherine Montoya Gallegos, Louisa Montoya, Manuelita Loveless and husband Dewey, Frances Hawksworth and husband Dennis, and Hope Montoya; brothers-in-law, Edward Montoya, David Montoya and wife Lisa, Abelino Montoya Jr. and wife LouElla, Les Montoya, John Montoya and Michael Montoya; her parents, Connie Edwards of Albuquerque, NM and Lawrence Tafoya of Las Vegas, NM; her very special godchildren, Alicia Beiser, Daniel Pajak, and Vanessa Tafoya Pina; Her best friend, Deborah Martinez; and numerous nieces and nephews. Honored to be Loretta's pallbearers are Abelino Montoya Jr., Les Montoya, Daniel Pajak, Paul Beiser, Jordan Marquez and Jaryd Marquez. Honorary pallbearers are Michael Montoya and George Marquez. In lieu of flowers, donations can be made in Loretta's name to the New Mexico Cancer Center Foundation 4901 Lang Avenue NE Albuquerque, New Mexico 87109. You may also send them to her home address: Robert Carlos Montoya, 1100 Coyote Bush Road NW, Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87114. Rosary services will be held on Friday, July 8, 2016 at 7:00 pm at the Immaculate Conception Church in Las Vegas, NM. Funeral services will be conducted Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 9:00 am also at Immaculate Conception Church with Father George V. Salazar as Celebrant. Interment will be held at the Mt. Calvary Cemetery in Las Vegas, NM. Please visit Rogers Mortuary website at www.rogersmortuarynm.com to sign the online register book. Arrangements are under the direction of Rogers Mortuary 600 Reynolds Avenue Las Vegas, NM 1-800-479-3511 or 505-425-3511. Funeral Home Rogers Mortuary - Las Vegas 600 Reynolds Avenue Las Vegas, NM 87701 505-425-3511 Published in Albuquerque Journal on July 8, 2016

Just as a note.  My dad's name was not Crawford M.,  It was C. M., initials only, no name. Thanks, Doug Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Wanda Rabb via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Date: 07/08/2016 2:48 PM (GMT-05:00) To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Obit of Mildred Sisk Brown Lovelace - NC Crawford M. <- Thomas Crawford <- William Perry <- Thomas Eugene <- Nathan <- Asa <- Barton <- Benjamin Mildred Lovelace (July 31, 1929 - July 5, 2016) Mildred Brown Lovelace, age 86, a resident of Kings Mountain, NC. peacefully went to her heavenly reward surrounded by her loving family at her home on Tuesday, July 5, 2016. Born in Greenville, SC, daughter of the late Herman Isacc Sisk an Carrie Isabelle Gilliland Sisk, and was also preceded in death by her husbands the late Grayson Brown and the late C.M. Lovelace and was also preceded in death by daughter, Julie Brown Crawford, grandchildren, Michael Neil Crawford and Andrew David Bunch, and a sister, Lena Browning. She was an active member of First Wesleyan Church and a member of the “Young At Heart”. She loved to walk and read an go out with friends. She loved the Lord with all of her heart and taught all of her children to serve him. Mrs. Lovelace retired from Eaton Corporation, Kings Mountain, NC SURVIVORS: Sons: Lonnie “Rocky” Brown and wife Joy, Kings Mountain, NC David Brown and wife Laura, Kings Mountain, NC Daughter: Linda Brown Bunch, Kings Mountain, NC Sisters: Christine Abercombie, Townfield, SC, Juanita Carter, Greenville, SC Imogene Worley, Honea Path, SC Grandchildren: Lonnie “Charley Brown and Deborah, Stephanie Brown Wilson and Ronnie, Stevan Robbins and Heather, Annie Robbins Butler and Jason, Jessica Brown Floyd, David Brown, Jr., Carrie Brown, Great Grandchildren: Riley, Gracie, Zachary, Garrett, Eli, Jacob, Havan, Sophie, Sarah, Sam, Gavin, Julie-Ana FUNERAL SERVICE: First Wesleyan Church, Friday, July 8, 2016 at 2:00 P.M. Rev. Don Williams, Rev Mike Chambers, Rev. Randy Patterson, officiating. VISITATION: 12:30 to 1:30 Friday, July 8th, 2016 in the Dorcus Sunday School Class of First Wesleyan Church INTERMENT: Mountain Rest Cemetery, Kings Mountain, NC Source: http://www.harrisfunerals.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mattie Louise Lovelace "Weezie" Farmer(1917 - 2016) FARMER, Mattie Louise "Weezie" Lovelace, 98, of Henrico County, Va., passed away on Friday, July 1, 2016. Louise was born on October 25, 1917. She was predeceased by her husband, E. Calvin Farmer. Weezie is survived by her sister, Helen L. Knighton; her sisters-in-law, Lana Lovelace Brayley, Marguerite F. Carlson and Barbara Farmer; her brother-in-law, Byrd Farmer. She is also survived by her nieces and nephews, Herbert S. Cowardin Jr. (Barbara), Bettie V. Nuckols, Olivia V. Goin (Bobby), R. Carole Tarr (Michael), Lt. Gen. (Ret.) James J. Lovelace Jr. (Gail), Cheryl B. Douthat (Bob), J. David Mabon, Steven C. Lovelace (Liz) and Jean Farmer Neisz; as well as a host of great, great-great- and great-great-great-nieces and nephews, including Jacqueline G. Broyles (Tom), Evanne G. Benson (Rick) and Eric B. Goin (Tracey), who considered Weezie their grandmother. At the time of her passing, Weezie was the oldest living member of Hunton Baptist Church, having joined... Published by Joseph W. Bliley Funeral Home | Full obituary Funeral Home Bliley's Funeral Homes 3801 Augusta Avenue Richmond, VA 23230 (804) 355-3800 Published in Joseph W. Bliley Funeral Home from July 3 to July 5, 2016

ok - my ftdna autosomal results are in gedmatch - kit #T309478 I also just uploaded my ancestry data to gedmatch as well. that is #A848766 Interestingly enough when I compare them one on one they show minor differences .... I have another Parkes ancestory that I am in the process of upgrading their dna from Y to autosomal and as soon as I get that I can pass it along as well. On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Greg Lovelace via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > OK, folks. > > The time has come for me to bite the bullet and start to put together a > spreadsheet of autosomal DNA matches. Maybe I can try to use some of the > stuff I learned last summer to actually take a good look at some of the > matches and try to propose some conclusions. > > > > In order for me to do that, I need to know from you cuzzins if you have had > an autosomal DNA test. If you have, who did you test with? Have you > uploaded your results to GedMatch? If so, what is your Gedmatch kit > number? > Have you uploaded a gedcom to Gedmatch? If so, what is your gedcom id > number? > > > > This is a substantial undertaking, and it will probably take a long time to > compile. So now I know that Melissa tested with FTDNA and uploaded her > results. I've entered our matches (see my last email) into the new > spreadsheet. I'm ready for yours now. Please respond, either here on the > list so other interested cousins can see, or privately to me at > greg@part-of-the-tree.com. > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 7/4/16 10:59:40 PM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > > image 318 of 686 > > On 23 Feb 1668 Edmond Lyndsy of Port Tobacco in Charles County, > Maryland, sold a parcel of land to Benjamin Rozer of Charles County, > Maryland.  The transaction was witnessed by Francis Lovelace. > > The deed/transaction does not describe the land. > This Francis is not one of the MD Lovelaces. A will connects him to the Gorsuches. Lou Ann

The Abraham I've been discussing is the earliest one found in MD. There are other Abrahams who come later in the various branches of Lovelace throughout the country. Lou Ann

Greg, she is lovely! She was so comfortable, at ease in front of the camera! She is simply adorable!! I know how proud you and Susan are! Keep us posted!! Nancy Earle Lovelace. On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Greg Lovelace via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Cuzzins, > > > > You have been listening to me for years on end now talking about my > daughter > Maya and her culinary endeavors. This past Friday she appeared on a local > TV station in Portland, Oregon throwing together a really simple but > wonderful-looking salad. The segment is available to watch here: > > http://katu.com/amnw/cooking-recipes/feast-friday-mae > > I might also mention that, last month, she traveled to Los Angeles to cook > for a whole bunch of people and accept one of the Eater Young Guns 2016 > awards for ". the most inspiring young talent in the industry . leading the > charge for development and progress while making their mark in their > respective fields." > > You can read her story here: > > http://www.eater.com/2016/6/28/12030910/maya-lovelace-mae-pdx > > Yeah, proud papa showing off ;-) > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

FamilySearch.Org Proceedings of the county court of Charles County: 1666-1674 p. 267 image 318 of 686 On 23 Feb 1668 Edmond Lyndsy of Port Tobacco in Charles County, Maryland, sold a parcel of land to Benjamin Rozer of Charles County, Maryland. The transaction was witnessed by Francis Lovelace. The deed/transaction does not describe the land. If I have interpreted the notes correctly, this was recorded in Liber D, pp. 25-28. -- Jack D. Lovelace

Thanks for sharing Maya's success....so happy for her and for her Loveless family. I have enjoyed the family news that you have shared over the years and feels so connected even though we've never met and my line is at the brick wall. She is awesome and I'm sure this is just the beginning of more! -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lovelace-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 2:00 AM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: LOVELACE Digest, Vol 11, Issue 131 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. (1765-1821) (Greg Lovelace) 2. Obituary of Patricia Lovelace - IL > WI (bgsroots) 3. Obituary of Roy Gradie Thornton mentions grandson Shawn Loveless - FL (bgsroots) 4. Obituary of Ida Chadwick mentions GGGrandson Justice Loveless - IL (bgsroots) 5. Obituary of Roy Mandel mentions sister Linda (John) Hawkins Lovelace - IL (bgsroots) 6. Obituary of Thelma Jackson Massie mentions Macie Bell Lovelace (bgsroots) 7. Obituary of JoAnn Lovleace - KY > FL (bgsroots) 8. Re: Obituary of Bonnie Evans mentions mother Martha Loveless - UT (Brondak@aol.com) 9. Fwd: Obituary of C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace - MD (Brondak@aol.com) 10. autosomal dna (Brondak@aol.com) 11. Re: Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. (1765-1821) (Brondak@aol.com) 12. Re: Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. (1765-1821) (Jack D. Lovelace) 13. Re: autosomal dna (Lenny Darnell) 14. Re: Fwd: Obituary of C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace - MD (david lovelace) 15. Re: autosomal dna (Bill Lovelace) 16. Some stuff about Maya Lovelace (Greg Lovelace) 17. Some stuff about Maya Lovelace (Greg Lovelace) 18. Re: LOVELACE Digest, Vol 11, Issue 130 (Nancy Caton) 19. Re: autosomal dna (Donna Bockian) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 08:43:19 -0400 From: "Greg Lovelace" <greg@part-of-the-tree.com> Subject: Re: [LL] Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. (1765-1821) To: "'Jack D. Lovelace'" <lovelacejackd@verizon.net>, <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001d1d528$7ae8a490$70b9edb0$@part-of-the-tree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hey, Jack... Can you post a source citation for this? Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jack D. Lovelace via Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:06 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. (1765-1821) Prince George's County \} December 12th, 1822 \} To Wit: The account of Basil Loveless, administrator of Ignatius Loveless, late of said county, deceased. This accountant charges himself with the Inventory of the deceased heretofore exhibited and amounting to the sum of $592.54?. ========= And craves an allowance for the following payments & disbursements, to wit: 1) of current money paid for funeral expenses, as per accounts & receipts: 9.00 2) of current money due from the deceased to James D. Banette on open account & paid peraccount 12.50 3) of current money due from the deceased to James D. Banette on open account & paid per receipt 8.00 4) of current money due from the deceased to John Allison on open account proved & paid per receipt 2.00 5) of current money due from the deceased to John L Frazer on open account proved & paid per receipt 3.25 6) of current money due from the deceased to Thomas S. Moore on open account and paid per receipt 2.54 7) of current money paid to Trueman Tyler for fees accruing on this administration 8.15 of 6 percent commission of $572.54? 35.55 -------- 80.99 Balance due the Estate 511.55? --------- Estate accounted for $592.54?. ========= On the 8th day of April 1823 came Basil Loveless the within accountant and made oath on the Holy Evangels of Almighty God that the within Accounts is just and true as stated and that he has bonafide, paid or secured to be paid the several sums of money for which he craves and allowance which thereupon after due examination is passed by order of the Orphan's Court. Test. Trueman Tyler Reg's. -- Jack D. Lovelace ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:09:41 -0400 From: "bgsroots" <bgsroots@comcast.net> Subject: [LL] Obituary of Patricia Lovelace - IL > WI To: "Lovelace List" <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9C0853F9790E4DFCAC049A1F9F4C8956@UserPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Patricia "Pattie" Lovelace(1955 - 2016) Lovelace, Patricia "Pattie" Patricia "Pattie" Lovelace, 61, Green Bay, died Thursday, June 30, 2016, following a long, and courageous battle with an illness. She was born on May 5, 1955, in Illinois to Ivan P. "Bunny" and Helen A. (Ziemba) Lovelace. Pattie graduated from Pulaski High School. She was employed at Fort Howard, Shopko, Goodwill, and Schneider until her retirement in 2000. Pattie was a past member of St. Joseph Parish. She enjoyed sewing, traveling, antiquing, checking in on her boys and grandchildren, and taking an occasional trip to the casino. Pattie is survived by three children, Leroy Schlorf Jr., David G. Schlorf, Michael D. Lovelace; three grandchildren, Maxwell Schlorf, Kylie Lovelace, Camden Lovelace; her special friend and former husband, Leroy Schlorf Sr.; her siblings; nieces, nephews, and other relatives and friends. She was preceded in death by her parents; a brother; and her favorite canine companion, Snoopy. Friends may call at Blaney Funeral Home, 1521 Shawano Ave., from 5 to 7 p.m. Tuesday. A Parish Wake Service will be held at 7 p.m. Tuesday. Friends may also call at St. Joseph Catholic Church, corner of Ninth St. and 12th Ave., from 9:30 to 10:30 a.m. Wednesday. The Mass of Resurrection will be held at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday at the church with Rev. Donald Everts officiating. Burial will be in Fort Howard Memorial Park. To send online condolences, please go to www.BlaneyFuneralHome.com. A memorial fund has been established in Pattie's name. Pattie's family extends a special thank you to the Therapy Department at ManorCare, and the nurses and staff of Green Bay Oncology and St. Mary's Hospital, especially Marcy Godlewski. Funeral Home Blaney Funeral Home 1521 Shawano Ave. Green Bay, WI 54303 920-494-7447 Published in Green Bay Press-Gazette on July 3, 2016 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:12:36 -0400 From: "bgsroots" <bgsroots@comcast.net> Subject: [LL] Obituary of Roy Gradie Thornton mentions grandson Shawn Loveless - FL To: "Lovelace List" <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D2D1ED22AA244531A177D861884174C9@UserPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Roy Gradie Thornton(1928 - 2016) Thornton, Roy Gradie Jan. 21, 1928 - Jun. 29, 2016 Native and lifelong resident of Manatee County, Roy Gradie Thornton was born in Duette, Florida to Laura Taylor Thornton and Ed Thornton on January 21, 1928. He died June 29, 2016 surrounded by his loved ones in his home on Snead Island. A devoted family man, he is mourned by his beloved children Teresa (Steve) Gambill, Roy (Beth) Thornton and Cindy Thornton; along with grandchildren Shawn Loveless, Joel (Megan) Castellow, and Greer Gambill; great grands Emma and Avery Castellow and Maya Sands; and his brother Sam (Nancy) Thornton. He is predeceased by his wife Anita Thornton and brothers Leonard and Hulan Thornton. The family thanks his devoted caregiver Pedro Cavillas for his dedicated service. Gradie was a meat cutter in the Margaret Ann Grocery Store, Manatee, when he met the love of his life, Anita Thompson. They married on July 3, 1949 and lived most of their 60 year marriage on Snead Island before she went home to the Lord in 2010. They enjoyed life to the fullest together. They worshipped at Palmetto First Baptist, enjoyed world travel, spent time with family and friends at their Lake Okeechobee cabin, and especially loved their involvement with Tennessee Walking Horse competitions; celebrating their children's accomplishments in the sport. Horses were a passion for him. He loved to ride on cattle drives, or around Snead Island or on the grounds of his home. Gradie began his successful automotive career opening Thornton Motors in Palmetto in 1954. Over the next 50 years he built a dealership group that included Thornton Mazda, Palmetto; Thornton Nissan & Dodge, Venice; and Sarasota Nissan & Jeep, Sarasota. He earned an excellent reputation for integrity and honest business practices. Many sought his counsel in their own businesses. A visitation will be held on Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 10 AM at First Baptist Church Palmetto, 1020 4th St. W, with the service following at 11 AM. Because of their compassionate assistance to Gradie and the family, in lieu of flowers the family requests donations be made to Tidewell Hospice, 4151 37th St. E, Palmetto, FL 34221. Condolences for the family may be made online at www.shannonfuneralhomes.com Published in Herald Tribune on July 3, 2016 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:16:20 -0400 From: "bgsroots" <bgsroots@comcast.net> Subject: [LL] Obituary of Ida Chadwick mentions GGGrandson Justice Loveless - IL To: "Lovelace List" <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <76E9D5AD6346413B983690F8ECDC9194@UserPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" HARDIN - Ida M. Hill Chadwick, 92, of Hardin, passed away July 1, 2016, at Calhoun Nursing and Rehabilitation in Hardin. She was born January 21, 1924, in Batchtown, the daughter of Bryan S. and Mary F. (Gilbert) Bell. She married Roy R. Hill on August 6, 1938, and he preceded her in death on June 26, 1988. She then married Paul H. Chadwick on June 29, 1996, and he preceded her in death on January 16, 2000. Mrs. Chadwick loved baking cakes, crocheting, and quilting. She was a member of Batchtown Methodist Church. She is survived by two sons and a daughter-in-law, Donald R. Hill of Hardin, and Thomas L. and Patti Hill of Carlinville; a daughter and a son-in-law, Mary I. and Larry McKinnon of Hamburg; a brother, Irvin Hill of Hamilton, Illinois; a daughter-in-law, Margaret Hill of Guin, Alabama; ten grandchildren; 18 great-grandchildren; and 17 great-great-grandchildren. In addition to her husbands, Roy and Paul; she is preceded in death by her parents; a son, Paul G. Hill; four sisters; three brothers; a grandson, Doug Hill; and a great-great-grandson, Justice Loveless. Visitation will be held from 5-8 p.m., Tuesday, July 5, 2016, at Gress-Kallal and Schaaf Funeral Home in Hardin. Funeral services will be held Wednesday, July 6, 2016, at 10 a.m. in the funeral home chapel with Phil Grabel officiating. Burial will take place in Wilson Cemetery in Batchtown. Gress, Kallal & Schaaf Funeral Home in Brussels is in charge of arrangements. Published in The Telegraph from July 2 to July 3, 2016 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:18:32 -0400 From: "bgsroots" <bgsroots@comcast.net> Subject: [LL] Obituary of Roy Mandel mentions sister Linda (John) Hawkins Lovelace - IL To: "Lovelace List" <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <816EB86DFF4C4300B47202E2021B8031@UserPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Roy Joseph Mandel(1930 - 2016) Roy Joseph Mandel Evansville, Indiana Roy Joseph Mandel, 86, of Evansville, passed away Friday, July 1, 2016, at St. Mary's Medical Center. He was born June 28, 1930, in Evansville, to the late Ray and Mildred (Manahan) Mandel. He was preceded in death by his parents; and sister, Margaret Ann Barton. He was a veteran, having serviced in the US Marine Corps during the Korean War. He was a member of Bethany Christian Church of Evansville, VFW Post #1114, and retired from Alcoa. Roy is survived by his wife of 61 years, Lenora (Koch) Mandel; daughter, Brenda Betz; sons, Chris Mandel, all of Evansville, and Larry (Paula) Mandel of Vail, AZ; sister, Linda (John) Hawkins Lovelace of New Baden, IL; and many grandchildren, great-grandchildren, nieces, and nephews. Funeral services will be 11:00 AM Wednesday, July 6, 2016, at Alexander East Chapel, officiated by Deacon Albert March of Elizabethtown, KY, with entombment in Alexander Memorial Park. Friends may visit Tuesday from 3:00 to 8:00 PM and Wednesday from 9:00 AM until service time at the funeral home. Condolences may be made online at www.AlexanderEastChapel.com. Funeral Home Alexander Funeral Home-East Chapel 2115 Lincoln Ave Evansville, IN 47714 (812) 476-1351 Published in Courier Press on July 3, 2016 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:26:19 -0400 From: "bgsroots" <bgsroots@comcast.net> Subject: [LL] Obituary of Thelma Jackson Massie mentions Macie Bell Lovelace To: "Lovelace List" <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3CFE92D49B3C4A0DBD0314377AD26B0E@UserPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Macie Bell Lovelace > Cicero Columbus > Berrymon > Asa > Barton > Benjamin <.... England =================== Thelma Massie Thelma J. Massie Asheville - Thelma Jackson Massie, 99, of Asheville, passed away Thursday, June 30, 2016 at the Laurels of Greentree Ridge. A native of Rutherford County, she was a daughter of the late Fletcher Harrison and Macie Bell Lovelace Jackson. She was also preceded in death by her husband, Joe Massie, who passed away in 2004. Thelma retired from St. Joseph Hospital, where she worked in central supply. In her retirement, she enjoyed spending time at CarePartners Adult Day Services. She is survived by two sons, Larry Massie and his wife, Becky, of Brevard and Danny Massie and his wife, Sheri, of Asheville; five grandchildren, Penny Creasman and her husband Kevin, Sherry Bishop and her husband Alvin, Amy Wycoff and her husband Chad, Kelly Massie and Sydney Massie, as well as thirteen great-grandchildren. A graveside service will be held at 11:00 AM on Wednesday, July 6, 2016 at Woodlawn Cemetery with Rev. Tim Lolley officiating. The family will receive friends from 6:00-8:00 PM on Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at Groce Funeral Home on Tunnel Road. Flowers are appreciated, or for those who choose, memorial donations may be made to CarePartners Adult Day Services, PO Box 25338, Asheville, NC 28813. A memorial guest register is available at www.grocefuneralhome.com. Funeral Home Groce Funeral Home & Cremation Service 856 Tunnel Rd Asheville, NC 28805 (828) 299-4416 Published in the Asheville Citizen-Times on July 3, 2016 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:38:15 -0400 From: "bgsroots" <bgsroots@comcast.net> Subject: [LL] Obituary of JoAnn Lovleace - KY > FL To: "Lovelace List" <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FA760585A8344F6EAC66297BD0F8987A@UserPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" JoAnn m Dan Coleman Lovelace < Troy Coleman < Turner L. < William b1808 Tennessee , ? Can anyone carryon from William? Thanks, Bob ================= JoAnn Lovelace JoAnn Lovelace, 81, Bradenton, passed away June 30, 2016. JoAnn was born on May 8, 1935 in Louisville, KY to the late Frank Trotty and Estelle Puella (Applewhite) Anderson. She moved to Bradenton at a young age. JoAnn was a graduate of Furman University where she received her Bachelor's Degree. Following graduation she returned to Bradenton and taught for a couple of years at Jessie P. Miller Elementary School until she started her family. She was a member of the First Baptist Church of Bradenton, member and past-president of Entre Nous, and member and past officer of the Service Club of Manatee and the Bradenton Country Club. JoAnn was predeceased by her beloved husband Dan Coleman Lovelace in 1998, a son, Dan C. Lovelace, Jr. in 2012, and a brother Frank T. Anderson, Jr. She is survived by her loving daughter, Tracey A. Lovelace of Bradenton, brother, Tom (Glenda) Anderson of Seminole and many extended family members and friends. The family will receive friends from 10-11 ! A.M. on Saturday, July 9, 2016 with a Celebration of JoAnn's life to follow at 11:00 A.M. at Shannon Funeral Home Westview Chapel, 5610 Manatee Avenue West, Bradenton. Interment will follow at Fogartyville Cemetery in Bradenton. The family request that in lieu of flowers that memorials be made to the JoAnn Lovelace Endowment c/o Service Club of Manatee County. Condolences for the family may be made online at www.shannonfuneralhomes.com. Funeral Home Shannon Funeral Homes, P.A. 5610 Manatee Avenue West Bradenton, FL 34209 (941) 746-2111 Published in The Bradenton Herald on July 3, 2016 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:02:00 -0400 From: Brondak@aol.com Subject: Re: [LL] Obituary of Bonnie Evans mentions mother Martha Loveless - UT To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7ac37.4a8d6082.44aac938@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Martha might be thr daughter of James Anderson Loveless and Clara Jane Adams. Their daughter Martha was born 1907 in Orem UT which is the same county as Provo. These Lovelesses are from the line of John and Rachel Van Hook John and Rachel's son Jasper moved to UT. He had 10 kids. There were tons of these Lovelesses in UT. For example one of his sons had 9 kids by each of two wives and 12 by another. Another son had 14 children, another one had 16 children, one had 9 children and those are just some of them. Point being, almost any Loveless found in Utah Co UT is likely to be a member of this family. James and Clara Jane are just one possibility for Martha's parents. I'm sure they weren't the only ones who had a daughter Martha, but theirs is the one I found and she's the right age. Lou Ann ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:06:48 -0400 From: Brondak@aol.com Subject: [LL] Fwd: Obituary of C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace - MD To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7add2.650fa612.44aaca58@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In a message dated 7/3/16 3:03:11 PM, Brondak@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 6/30/16 5:30:11 AM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > C.S. (Clarence Shriver) Lovelace < Benjamin Franklin Jr. > Sr . > > Thomas > Benjamin > William > ? > ...... Is this correct and can anyone complete this lineage? > Thanks, Bob. > > > > > William is one of our dangling Charles Co, Port Tobacco men of the > generation of Benjjamin b 1727, JBL and others.? He is not a brother > of JBL as indicated by his appearing nowhere on any of the land > records that JBL and his brothers are on.? That leaves out John as his > father. > > I don't think he's a son of Abraham since he's not mentioned on any of > the docs we've found for Abraham and doesn't appear in St Mary's Co > where Abraham moved. > > He could be a son of Samuel, Benjamin or Thomas, but if his birthdate > of > 1720 is correct, I > think that leaves out Thomas.? Once again we're down to Samuel or > Benjamin.? He could be a brother of my Benjamin b 1727.? I would be > interested in seeing how the Edgefield Co line compares to? the YDNA > of Reason's descendents.? Reason is the son of Benjamin b 1727 who > went to KY. > Lou Ann > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:12:03 -0400 From: Brondak@aol.com Subject: [LL] autosomal dna To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7afd1.23e0efdc.44aacb92@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" List and all you dna experts, I have to confess that I'm still a little bit at sea concerning the actual ancestral value of autosomal DNA. It seems that beyond the frist two or three generations, any matches are more random than definitive, However, that being said, I do have a question. In the cae of Abraham Lovelace whose line has daughtered out, therefore not available for Y-DNA, do you think it could help us put him with the Lovelace MD bunch (or noe) whichever the case may be? I personally think he belongs, but would love to find some proof more than trhe slim evidence we have. Lou Ann ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:26:42 -0400 From: Brondak@aol.com Subject: Re: [LL] Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. (1765-1821) To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <39803b.60884695.44aacf01@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" There has been a question for some time about whether there was one Ignatious with two wives, of if there was a father and son. This information that Jack sent calling him Ignatious Jr certainly indicates that there was an older one and probably his father. If that is the case, Basil would have been his brother and if he had children they were not of age. I have some hard copy notes on Ignatious from info I found when I was in MD, but I think those notes are in storage along with a lot of other stuff from when we we had the fire. I know I didn't lose them in the fire, but they are not where I can put my hands on them I need to find them again to see what I had found on Ignatious. I've let the ball drop on him since that time, just too much other going on. Lou Ann ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:59:05 -0700 From: "Jack D. Lovelace" <lovelacejackd@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [LL] Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. (1765-1821) To: greg@part-of-the-tree.com, lovelace@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <a77dc813-2034-dbf2-a7a6-0beb5ce91911@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed FamilySearch.Org Maryland Register of Wills Records, 1629-1999 Prince George's County Accounts 1813-1826 vol 2-3 T.T. 3 235 (FHL Film Number: 0,014,298) image 352 of 514 On 7/3/2016 5:43 AM, Greg Lovelace wrote: > Hey, Jack... > > Can you post a source citation for this? > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jack D. Lovelace via > Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:06 PM > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LL] Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. (1765-1821) > > Prince George's County \} > December 12th, 1822 \} > > To Wit: The account of Basil Loveless, administrator of Ignatius Loveless, late of said county, deceased. > > This accountant charges himself with the Inventory of the deceased > heretofore exhibited and amounting to the sum of $592.54?. > ========= > > And craves an allowance for the following payments & disbursements, to wit: > > 1) of current money paid for funeral expenses, as per > accounts & receipts: 9.00 > 2) of current money due from the deceased to James D. > Banette on open account & paid peraccount 12.50 > 3) of current money due from the deceased to James D. > Banette on open account & paid per receipt 8.00 > 4) of current money due from the deceased to John Allison > on open account proved & paid per receipt 2.00 > 5) of current money due from the deceased to John L Frazer > on open account proved & paid per receipt 3.25 > 6) of current money due from the deceased to Thomas S. Moore > on open account and paid per receipt 2.54 > 7) of current money paid to Trueman Tyler for fees accruing > on this administration 8.15 > of 6 percent commission of $572.54? 35.55 > -------- > 80.99 > Balance due the Estate 511.55? > --------- > Estate accounted for $592.54?. > ========= > > > On the 8th day of April 1823 came Basil Loveless the within accountant and made oath on the Holy Evangels of Almighty God that the within Accounts is just and true as stated and that he has bonafide, paid or secured to be paid the several sums of money for which he craves and allowance which thereupon after due examination is passed by order of the Orphan's Court. > > > Test. Trueman Tyler Reg's. > -- Jack D. Lovelace ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:40:51 -0700 From: Lenny Darnell <lrdarnell@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LL] autosomal dna To: Brondak <Brondak@aol.com>, lovelace@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAK=kSdA1n+rGxjoPkpxVbwNgoy1=gTvx5qARArPk2aqTEp5rYA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Lou Ann I don't think autosomal can place someone in a "family". You can go back more than 2-3 generations, and you are right, matches can be random rather than definitive. You only make them definitive by triangulating the same segment with people from the same line. If you have three or more that match the same segment (especially if it is bigger than 7cM, then you know they have a common ancestor. If you can identify most recent common ancestry with them and rule out any other common ancestry, it's pretty golden. So for the case of Abraham, the best you could do is find multiple descendants of his that share the same segment. But that wouldn't place him in MD. However, if you could find multiple descendants of his that share a segment and multiple descendants of a MD Lovelace that also share the same segment, then it's a good bet that you have found Abraham's brother, cousin, etc. This is a longshot right now. But maybe as more people get tested and the testing companies refine their tools and give us more tools ourselves. Lenny On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Brondak via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > List and all you dna experts, > I have to confess that I'm still a little bit at sea concerning the actual > ancestral value of > autosomal DNA. It seems that beyond the frist two or three generations, > any matches > are more random than definitive, > > However, that being said, I do have a question. In the cae of Abraham > Lovelace whose line > has daughtered out, therefore not available for Y-DNA, do you think it > could help us put > him with the Lovelace MD bunch (or noe) whichever the case may be? I > personally think > he belongs, but would love to find some proof more than trhe slim evidence > we have. > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 19:57:59 -0400 From: "david lovelace" <daymerl@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [LL] Fwd: Obituary of C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace - MD To: "'Brondak'" <Brondak@aol.com>, <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001d1d586$bb380640$31a812c0$@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Lou Ann, As a direct male descendant of these guys back to William (?) I'll be glad to have a YDNA test done. I did do the 37 marker earlier, see kit 5995. I have been away from research for so long thought that I have no idea how to do it. Can you give me guidance? Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brondak via Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:07 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Fwd: Obituary of C.S. "Butsy" Lovelace - MD In a message dated 7/3/16 3:03:11 PM, Brondak@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 6/30/16 5:30:11 AM, lovelace@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > C.S. (Clarence Shriver) Lovelace < Benjamin Franklin Jr. > Sr . > > Thomas > Benjamin > William > ? > ...... Is this correct and can anyone complete this lineage? > Thanks, Bob. > > > > > William is one of our dangling Charles Co, Port Tobacco men of the > generation of Benjjamin b 1727, JBL and others.? He is not a brother > of JBL as indicated by his appearing nowhere on any of the land > records that JBL and his brothers are on.? That leaves out John as his > father. > > I don't think he's a son of Abraham since he's not mentioned on any of > the docs we've found for Abraham and doesn't appear in St Mary's Co > where Abraham moved. > > He could be a son of Samuel, Benjamin or Thomas, but if his birthdate > of > 1720 is correct, I > think that leaves out Thomas.? Once again we're down to Samuel or > Benjamin.? He could be a brother of my Benjamin b 1727.? I would be > interested in seeing how the Edgefield Co line compares to? the YDNA > of Reason's descendents.? Reason is the son of Benjamin b 1727 who > went to KY. > Lou Ann > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:58:49 -0400 From: Bill Lovelace <gezzer15@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [LL] autosomal dna To: Brondak <Brondak@aol.com>, lovelace@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <201607040159.u641xN2g002057@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lou Ann, do you have a little more info about this Abraham Lovelace. I have 2. One born 1866 and a Jr. born 1901. At 04:12 PM 7/3/2016, you wrote: List and all you dna experts, I have to confess that I'm still a little bit at sea concerning the actual ancestral value of autosomal DNA. It seems that beyond the frist two or three generations, any matches are more random than definitive, However, that being said, I do have a question. In the cae of Abraham Lovelace whose line has daughtered out, therefore not available for Y-DNA, do you think it could help us put him with the Lovelace MD bunch (or noe) whichever the case may be? I personally think he belongs, but would love to find some proof more than trhe slim evidence we have. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 21:23:00 -0400 From: "Greg Lovelace" <greg@part-of-the-tree.com> Subject: [LL] Some stuff about Maya Lovelace To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002f01d1d592$9b5b04b0$d2110e10$@part-of-the-tree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Once again, a post I sent didn't make it the first time, so I'm trying again. Apologies if you receive a duplicate. Cuzzins, You have been listening to me for years on end now talking about my daughter Maya and her culinary endeavors. This past Friday she appeared on a local TV station in Portland, Oregon throwing together a really simple but wonderful-looking salad. The segment is available to watch here: http://katu.com/amnw/cooking-recipes/feast-friday-mae I might also mention that, last month, she traveled to Los Angeles to cook for a whole bunch of people and accept one of the Eater Young Guns 2016 awards for ". the most inspiring young talent in the industry . leading the charge for development and progress while making their mark in their respective fields." You can read her story here: http://www.eater.com/2016/6/28/12030910/maya-lovelace-mae-pdx Yeah, proud papa showing off ;-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:24:51 -0400 From: "Greg Lovelace" <greg@part-of-the-tree.com> Subject: [LL] Some stuff about Maya Lovelace To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002101d1d571$564ca7a0$02e5f6e0$@part-of-the-tree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cuzzins, You have been listening to me for years on end now talking about my daughter Maya and her culinary endeavors. This past Friday she appeared on a local TV station in Portland, Oregon throwing together a really simple but wonderful-looking salad. The segment is available to watch here: http://katu.com/amnw/cooking-recipes/feast-friday-mae I might also mention that, last month, she traveled to Los Angeles to cook for a whole bunch of people and accept one of the Eater Young Guns 2016 awards for ". the most inspiring young talent in the industry . leading the charge for development and progress while making their mark in their respective fields." You can read her story here: http://www.eater.com/2016/6/28/12030910/maya-lovelace-mae-pdx Yeah, proud papa showing off ;-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 19:19:55 -0700 From: Nancy Caton <necaton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 11, Issue 130 To: "lovelace@rootsweb.com" <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CA+FVQWq5K3Mb8dPbKLBCgvXesR3R9UvN_mCmSW84u0EWND8hFw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Jack, California Barton Lovelace clan long time lurker here. Who is Ignatius again? Or did you just go throug that in an earlier missive that I missed? Nancy Caton Oakland, CA On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:00 AM, <lovelace-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. > (1765-1821) (Jack D. Lovelace) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Jack D. Lovelace" <lovelacejackd@verizon.net> > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:05:43 -0700 > Subject: [LL] Final Accounting for the Estate of Ignatius Loveless, Jr. > (1765-1821) > Prince George's County \} > December 12th, 1822 \} > > To Wit: The account of Basil Loveless, administrator of Ignatius > Loveless, late of said county, deceased. > > This accountant charges himself with the Inventory of the deceased > heretofore exhibited and amounting to the sum of $592.54?. > ========= > > And craves an allowance for the following payments & disbursements, to wit: > > 1) of current money paid for funeral expenses, as per > accounts & receipts: 9.00 > 2) of current money due from the deceased to James D. > Banette on open account & paid peraccount 12.50 > 3) of current money due from the deceased to James D. > Banette on open account & paid per receipt 8.00 > 4) of current money due from the deceased to John Allison > on open account proved & paid per receipt 2.00 > 5) of current money due from the deceased to John L Frazer > on open account proved & paid per receipt 3.25 > 6) of current money due from the deceased to Thomas S. Moore > on open account and paid per receipt 2.54 > 7) of current money paid to Trueman Tyler for fees accruing > on this administration 8.15 > of 6 percent commission of $572.54? 35.55 > -------- > 80.99 > Balance due the Estate 511.55? > --------- > Estate accounted for $592.54?. > ========= > > > On the 8th day of April 1823 came Basil Loveless the within accountant and > made oath on the Holy Evangels of Almighty God that the within Accounts is > just and true as stated and that he has bonafide, paid or secured to be > paid the several sums of money for which he craves and allowance which > thereupon after due examination is passed by order of the Orphan's Court. > > > Test. Trueman Tyler Reg's. > -- > > Jack D. Lovelace > > > > To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to > LOVELACE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to > LOVELACE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 02:20:43 -0400 From: "Donna Bockian" <dmbockian@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LL] autosomal dna To: "'Brondak'" <Brondak@aol.com>, <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <10b901d1d5bc$32350b00$969f2100$@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just a comment. I have been noticing that criteria used in autosomal DNA match searches mentioned in this long conversation have been at 5 or so cMs, which may very well thin out at 3 or 4 generations. I have also seen a useful result to 6 or 7 generations mentioned for 15 cM match searches; this was in a webinar by Lisa Louise Cooke. Don't know if this will help, but I am suggesting adjusting the criteria to see if the results extend further back. Donna B. -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brondak via Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:12 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] autosomal dna List and all you dna experts, I have to confess that I'm still a little bit at sea concerning the actual ancestral value of autosomal DNA. It seems that beyond the frist two or three generations, any matches are more random than definitive, However, that being said, I do have a question. In the cae of Abraham Lovelace whose line has daughtered out, therefore not available for Y-DNA, do you think it could help us put him with the Lovelace MD bunch (or noe) whichever the case may be? I personally think he belongs, but would love to find some proof more than trhe slim evidence we have. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to LOVELACE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to LOVELACE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LOVELACE Digest, Vol 11, Issue 131 *****************************************

Lenny, What about when the segments don't match exactly, but overlap. How does that affect the interpretation? Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lenny Darnell via Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 11:39 AM To: Jack Wyatt <cjwyatt@bellsouth.net>; lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] autosomal dna Greg Triangulation is just three or more people matching on the same segment. <<snip>>

Greg I have found very few that match exactly with three people. You just want one part that overlaps with all three people. 2nd cousins tend to have large segments 35cM or more. So if you find someone that matches on that part of the tree but much higher that has some subset of that match, that works pretty well. If the third cousin has a tree match and DNA match, I am happy with small segments 3-4 cM or so. I have matches I am happy with where the common amount is about 3cM where the 3-way match is all 7cM or more. As we get GEDMatch in from this group, we will start to see these patterns, I'm sure. L On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Greg Lovelace <greg@part-of-the-tree.com> wrote: > Lenny, > > What about when the segments don't match exactly, but overlap. How does > that affect the interpretation? > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Lenny Darnell via > Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 11:39 AM > To: Jack Wyatt <cjwyatt@bellsouth.net>; lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LL] autosomal dna > > Greg > > Triangulation is just three or more people matching on the same segment. > <<snip>> > >

The autosomal matching methodology of the genetic genealogy establishment is built on a bad foundation. I've used short segment matching from the start and my results have been completely consistent. I have found that the chances of a false matching segment with my regular autosomal parameters of 250 SNP's and 1 cM minimum segment are just about zilch. You still have to triangulate and figure out where the lines intersect in the space-time continuum, but a 1 cM segment works just fine. I've been making connections over 300 years back, while others are just engaged in sophistry about whether a segment is IBD or IBS. I'll give more details later, and I still owe an explanation for Thomas Lovelace / Eleanor Evans. If you don't have a paternal line to go with, I definitely would order the Family Finder test. Jack Wyatt

Cuzzins, In answer to Donna about adjusting the parameters on autosomal matches... The centimorgan (cM) is, according to the ISOGG wiki (International Society of Genetic Genealogy), "... a unit of recombinant frequency which is used to measure genetic distance. It is often used to imply distance along a chromosome, and takes into account how often recombination occurs in a region." It is more or less interpreted as a measure of length of shared DNA segments. Again, from the ISOGG wiki, the major testing companies "use centiMorgans to denote the size of matching DNA segments in autosomal DNA tests. Segments which share a large number of centiMorgans in common are more likely to be of significance and to indicate a common ancestor within a genealogical timeframe." (http://isogg.org/wiki/Centimorgan) The way I interpret this is that as the "size" limit in cM is increased, the probability of a shared segment denoting a relationship is also increased. So "longer" shared segments between two people indicate a higher probability that the two share a common ancestor. ISOGG suggests adding together the cM for all shared segments of 5 cM or above to use in calculating the probable percentage of DNA shared with a match (http://isogg.org/wiki/Centimorgan#Converting_centiMorgans_into_percentages) . Gedmatch allows the user to specify the cM value to use when searching for matches, and they set their default at 7 cM. I tend to go with 5 cM per ISOGG. But others go even lower, sometimes down to 3 cM or even less. When you decrease the value of cM, you come up with more matching segments but they are much smaller, and the probability that they are random matches rather than matches due to relatedness is increased. Cuzzin Doug Lovelace and I are descendants of Ol' Barton the horse thief, Doug through Barton's son Asa and I through Barton's son Benjamin. Our relationship is calculated as 5th cousins 1 generation removed. ISOGG has a table of "Average autosomal DNA shared by pairs of relatives, in percentages and centiMorgans" here: http://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics#Table According to that table of **averages**, Doug and I should share a total of 1.66 cM, or 0.0244% of our DNA. Using the Gedmatch default of 7 cM for the cutoff, Doug does not show as a match to me (7 cm >> 1.66 cM). The same thing for 5 cM and 3 cM. If I lower the threshold to 2 cM, we share a total of 4.9 cM (0.072%). If I lower it to the minimum, 1 cM, we share a total of 7 cM (0.103%). Using the ISOGG table of averages, we should be somewhere around fifth cousins (3.32 cM, 0.0488%) to fourth cousins once removed (6.64 cM, 0.0977%). So unless I really lower the matching threshold at Gedmatch, Doug and I don't match at all. Kim Philbeck Wood and I are both descendants of William Lovelace of Rutherford County. William is the grandson of Ol' Barton the horse thief. I descend from William's son George Logan Lovelace, and Kim descends from George's sister Eliza Ann (Lovelace) Philbeck. That makes us third cousins. According to the table at ISOGG, Kim and I should share **on average** a total of about 53 cM, or 0.781% of our DNA. If I use Gedmatch's default cutoff (7 cM), Kim and I share a total of 154 cM, about 3 times as much as expected on average! In the table, that would make us on the order of second cousins or second cousins once removed. What this demonstrates is that the predictions are just that, predictions, and that the actual relationships may vary around the **average** that is predicted. I just toss this out there as a demonstration of one way to use comparisons. Donna and I are a generation closer than Kim and I. Donna and I both descend from George Logan Lovelace, I through George's son Joseph Baxter, and Donna through his son James Dolphus. That makes us second cousins. Donna has submitted a sample to FTDNA, and I'm anxious to see how we match. I need to read up on triangulation. Lenny, do you have any good references to suggest? Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna Bockian via Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 2:21 AM To: 'Brondak' <Brondak@aol.com>; lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] autosomal dna Just a comment. I have been noticing that criteria used in autosomal DNA match searches mentioned in this long conversation have been at 5 or so cMs, which may very well thin out at 3 or 4 generations. I have also seen a useful result to 6 or 7 generations mentioned for 15 cM match searches; this was in a webinar by Lisa Louise Cooke. Don't know if this will help, but I am suggesting adjusting the criteria to see if the results extend further back. Donna B.

Greg Triangulation is just three or more people matching on the same segment. If you have two people match, you may presume that the line is where the obvious tree match is. I find that many of my matches actually have two or three tree matches, so there is no way to know which of those matches the particular segment comes from. But if you find a third person who matches that segment and only matches one part of the tree, then you can "triangulate" that match like a 3-legged stool and get a statistical certainty that the particular DNA segment is from that ancestral line. In the Lovel*** analysis I have a number of people that match Tom Cates, and a number that match Bob Cates, but I don't have yet someone who matches both Tom and Bob on the same segment. If they did, I would know it would have to be through the Cates or Lovel*** lines. So if the person we matched with did not appear to have any Cates/Berry+++ ancestry, we would know that the match is on Lovel***. For genetic genealogy they say test everyone. I love 2nd cousins, because they match enough to be really certain, and you isolate your line through one set of great grandparents so you know where to look when a third cousin matches both of you. L On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Jack Wyatt via <lovelace@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The autosomal matching methodology of the genetic genealogy establishment > is built on a bad foundation. > I've used short segment matching from the start and my results have been > completely consistent. I have found that the chances of a false matching > segment with my regular autosomal parameters of 250 SNP's and 1 cM minimum > segment are just about zilch. You still have to triangulate and figure out > where the lines intersect in the space-time continuum, but a 1 cM segment > works just fine. I've been making connections over 300 years back, while > others are just engaged in sophistry about whether a segment is IBD or IBS. > I'll give more details later, and I still owe an explanation for Thomas > Lovelace / Eleanor Evans. If you don't have a paternal line to go with, I > definitely would order the Family Finder test. > Jack Wyatt > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just a comment. I have been noticing that criteria used in autosomal DNA match searches mentioned in this long conversation have been at 5 or so cMs, which may very well thin out at 3 or 4 generations. I have also seen a useful result to 6 or 7 generations mentioned for 15 cM match searches; this was in a webinar by Lisa Louise Cooke. Don't know if this will help, but I am suggesting adjusting the criteria to see if the results extend further back. Donna B. -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brondak via Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 4:12 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] autosomal dna List and all you dna experts, I have to confess that I'm still a little bit at sea concerning the actual ancestral value of autosomal DNA. It seems that beyond the frist two or three generations, any matches are more random than definitive, However, that being said, I do have a question. In the cae of Abraham Lovelace whose line has daughtered out, therefore not available for Y-DNA, do you think it could help us put him with the Lovelace MD bunch (or noe) whichever the case may be? I personally think he belongs, but would love to find some proof more than trhe slim evidence we have. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message