I am trying to phrase something about the mystic/time warp side of DNA snarls being unraveled. Such a lot of food for thought.....but I can't seem to find the right way to describe it without minimizing what you're all finding out right now. And that's not what I intend. ----- Original Message ----- From: "terrence White" <revenant1963@yahoo.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [LL] William Physician Brewer To David Wilson, and Tom and Pam Loveless, I am delighted to discover that I am related to both of you via the Brewers as well as the Lovelxxxes! Small world indeed!

Hi Debbie and cousins,   Debbie wrote: "I am trying to phrase something about the mystic/time warp side of DNA snarls being unraveled."     >From my experience with genealogy, I saw that it works in subtle, hidden ways, and can make many a generation leap.   It seems that it works in this almost mystical ways, when two relatives of a person who come from different branches of his ances-tree, and whose relation to him is remote, have the same extraordinary and distinctive characteristic. In a case known to me a person had on both sides of his family a remote relative who was a well known poet whose radical verses got him into trouble with the government. The poet on his father's side was born in the 17th century in England and was imprisoned by Cromwell in the Tower of London; the other poet, a distant cousin of his mother, was born in the 19th century in Russia and was confined to his home by Stalin. The person himself, who was born in the 20th century, was nearly imprisoned for the same reasons.  At that time he was only dimly aware of his mother's distant cousin and had no knowledge what so ever about the poet imprisoned in 17th century England. Therefore it can't be said that he was influenced by his heritage and driven into this role because of solidarity with it.   In this respect maybe genes resemble homeopathic medicine – being potentially very powerful even though diluted and dormant for many generations.     Talila       --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Debbie Burke <shadagee@irishsetter.org> wrote: From: Debbie Burke <shadagee@irishsetter.org> Subject: Re: [LL] William Physician Brewer To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:45 PM I am trying to phrase something about the mystic/time warp side of DNA snarls being unraveled.  Such a lot of food for thought.....but I can't seem to find the right way to describe  it without minimizing what you're all finding out right now.  And that's not what I intend. ----- Original Message ----- From: "terrence White" <revenant1963@yahoo.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [LL] William Physician Brewer To David Wilson, and Tom and Pam Loveless, I am delighted to discover that I am related to both of you via the Brewers as well as the Lovelxxxes! Small world indeed! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wanda,   Thanks for the reply! Yes, I have to agree with you--this new development caught us completely off guard! Still getting used to the idea of being a "Brewer" and not a "White"!   Take care,   Terry --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Wanda Rabb <wcr1951@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Wanda Rabb <wcr1951@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LL] New 37-marker "White" surname yDNA > test for Terry To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 12:59 PM Hi Terry, This sounds so familiar...we were floored when my husband's DNA test came back showing he matched others with the HICKS surname.  Also, a descendant of one of his gr-grandfather's brothers tested the same way so we figure whatever happened occurred prior to their birthdates of ca 1830.  It is mind blowing though to receive that information. Wanda ----------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:27:49 -0400 > From: "T.J. White" <tjwhite1963@gmail.com> > Subject: [LL] New 37-marker "White" surname yDNA test for > Terry > To: Lovelace-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: >     <AANLkTimeYN85NpMuYJHrlqejKienWx9_jdNjHtTyPaji@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone, > > Some of you will remember me. I've been very quiet lately. > This is not > related to the Lovelxxx surname (which is among my > ancestry, however), but > is about genetic genealogy in general. > > I thought I'd mention, for whatever it is worth, that I > recently did a > 37-marker yDNA test on myself, and my results are clear, > unequivocal, and > even dramatic: > > It so happens that I PRECISELY match the modal haplotype > (at 37 markers > tested), not for any family surnamed "White" (as I would > have expected), but > a surname of "Brewer". >       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To David Wilson, and Tom and Pam Loveless,   I am delighted to discover that I am related to both of you via the Brewers as well as the Lovelxxxes! Small world indeed!   To David--no, in my line we had always believed we were "Whites", and had never, therefore, heard any lore about any Cherokee ancestry. (Now, of course, we know that genetically we are Brewers.) I do see from elsewhere on the internet (other Brewer descendants no doubt) that Lanier Brewer Jr. supposedly had two successive wives, with children by both wives, plus an Indian squaw concubine on the side, with children by her! He supposedly fathered no less than 30 sons and 3 daughters by those three women!   Because my earliest provable "White" ancestor Jacob White Jr. born 1772 NC (genetically identical to the modal haplotype for descendants of George Brewer and Sarah Lanier) came from North Carolina, and because in the 1790 census of NC, of the 3 men named Jacob White in that census, one lived in Chatham County NC--exactly the same county where so many of these Brewer men lived prior to moving to Tennessee, I am now strongly inclining toward believing that it may have been my ancestor Jacob White "Jr" who may have been fathered by a Brewer (perhaps that same prodigious Lanier Brewer Jr.), and then perhaps adopted by a man named Jacob White of NC, and given the White surname. This little theory of mine makes enormous sense to me.   Given that we "Whites" who have tested (my 4th cousin Roger and I) exactly match the modal haplotype of the "Lanier-Brewer" group (descendants of George and Sarah Lanier Brewer), I am inclined to strongly suspect that the ancestor of mine whose name changed from "Brewer" to "White" had to have lived fairly recently, since there have been no mutations whatsoever (at 37 markers). I do plan, of course, to upgrade to 67 markers. As David will know, those results will be telling.   More on this subject when the 67-marker results come in.   Thanks for speaking up, all of you!   Terry --- On Sun, 6/20/10, David Wilson <dcw1000@verizon.net> wrote: From: David Wilson <dcw1000@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [LL] William Physician Brewer To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 1:10 PM Small world indeed! I tie into the Brewers too, but in a way that I don't completely understand. I have a Lanier Brewer Sr. in the tree, who would be my 6G GF, and whom I currently have (perhaps incorrectly) as a son of George Brewer. I may push at this a bit more today to see if I can straighten this out. Lanier's 2G granddaughter, Sarah Elizabeth Davis (1870-1949) married my GGF James S. Loveless in 1884. There is a story that some of the VA Brewers had Cherokee ancestry. Do you have that lore in your line? David Wilson -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Loveless Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:40 PM To: LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] William Physician Brewer Hey there Terry W. Funny that you mention William the "Physician" Brewer, of Chard, Somerset. My wife descends from the same guy. Several generations then came a Sampson, son a George Brewer (1775-1850) whose father was  Lanier Brewer, Jr.  b: 1746 in Brunswick Co., VA. Sampson moved from NC, to TN, then to AR where we live. Amazing what a small world it is after all. Thanks for information. Tom and Pam Loveless In really hot and sunny in Little Rock, AR (95+) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2946 - Release Date: 06/19/10 23:37:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Small world indeed! I tie into the Brewers too, but in a way that I don't completely understand. I have a Lanier Brewer Sr. in the tree, who would be my 6G GF, and whom I currently have (perhaps incorrectly) as a son of George Brewer. I may push at this a bit more today to see if I can straighten this out. Lanier's 2G granddaughter, Sarah Elizabeth Davis (1870-1949) married my GGF James S. Loveless in 1884. There is a story that some of the VA Brewers had Cherokee ancestry. Do you have that lore in your line? David Wilson -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Loveless Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 12:40 PM To: LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] William Physician Brewer Hey there Terry W. Funny that you mention William the "Physician" Brewer, of Chard, Somerset. My wife descends from the same guy. Several generations then came a Sampson, son a George Brewer (1775-1850) whose father was Lanier Brewer, Jr. b: 1746 in Brunswick Co., VA. Sampson moved from NC, to TN, then to AR where we live. Amazing what a small world it is after all. Thanks for information. Tom and Pam Loveless In really hot and sunny in Little Rock, AR (95+) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2946 - Release Date: 06/19/10 23:37:00

Hey there Terry W. Funny that you mention William the "Physician" Brewer, of Chard, Somerset. My wife descends from the same guy. Several generations then came a Sampson, son a George Brewer (1775-1850) whose father was Lanier Brewer, Jr. b: 1746 in Brunswick Co., VA. Sampson moved from NC, to TN, then to AR where we live. Amazing what a small world it is after all. Thanks for information. Tom and Pam Loveless In really hot and sunny in Little Rock, AR (95+)

Mornin' Cuzzies, It's gonna be a hot and steamy day in ole Houston town today.....strange how the heat affects you as you get older. Just 10 yrs. ago I would get out in this stuff and film baseball games, standing the whole time w/ 105 deg. heat index and marvel at how much I loved doing what I was doing. I think now how they might carry me out feet first w/ a wet towel over mah face! Just amazing! Da Kid and the current squeeze of going on 26 mos. now are in Austin on the lake all day.....now I used to do that, having more fun than just a little bit, drinking beer and water skiing all day long.....thinking I was having the best time! I don't know why we didn't all drown and die! Strangely enough I soon learned in my 20's and later that when gatherings went into the night w/ a lotta beer drinking around a pool, it was much the best to get up and leave. Sure enough, if anyone got into any kind of trouble in the water, I was always the one called on, because of my swimming prowess, to go in after them. After pulling a University of Texas offensive lineman outta the water who was a complete drunken load, I'd leave gatherings that got to that point. It was a good decision for mah health! o: And, another thing I'm having a prob w/ is the generation gap. My friends tell me I'm 20 yrs. late in even noticing it. So, I'm sorta waking up in a world of wonderment....does that sound strange? Everything around me seems very different these days. I'll adjust.....one always does! ( : Have a good one! Sattidays not for thinking much anyway, huh. Thinking should take a holiday! ( : Buckette

Mornin' Cuzzies, We're blowing thru June at a pretty rapid rate.....to make our day, we hear Natl. Geographic is predicting a horrendous hurricane season. Ah! Now isn't that just exactly what we need! The best news we've heard is how the City Council or some local gubmit group in the gorgeous Destin, FL, area announced they were erecting all sorts of stuff to protect their beaches and they just dared anyone bigger than they are, like the Feds, to say they couldn't do it! Now, that's chutzpah! A close fren who lives there emailed me that in the last day or so and then it was announced on TV somewhere last night. My vote for Gorilla of the Day goes to Bobby Jindal in La. Boy! Is he ever earning his paycheck as Gov. Got another really hard working fren in Dallas, retired, owned a bunch of BP stock for the dividend return.....which is over and out. Ole Buckley, Petroleum Engineer, sez this well was perhaps the biggest oil reservoir that's ever been discovered.....it's a major whopper roonie! Sorry that we here in Houston generally talk abt. nuthin' but oiyle anyway. I will tell you that domestic production w/in the states has some new breath.....I've been approached twice in the last two weeks about minerals that I own in West Texas and Oklahoma. It's a TGIF.....get after it for a fun week-end! Buckette

Hi Terry, This sounds so familiar...we were floored when my husband's DNA test came back showing he matched others with the HICKS surname. Also, a descendant of one of his gr-grandfather's brothers tested the same way so we figure whatever happened occurred prior to their birthdates of ca 1830. It is mind blowing though to receive that information. Wanda ----------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:27:49 -0400 > From: "T.J. White" <tjwhite1963@gmail.com> > Subject: [LL] New 37-marker "White" surname yDNA test for > Terry > To: Lovelace-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: >     <AANLkTimeYN85NpMuYJHrlqejKienWx9_jdNjHtTyPaji@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone, > > Some of you will remember me. I've been very quiet lately. > This is not > related to the Lovelxxx surname (which is among my > ancestry, however), but > is about genetic genealogy in general. > > I thought I'd mention, for whatever it is worth, that I > recently did a > 37-marker yDNA test on myself, and my results are clear, > unequivocal, and > even dramatic: > > It so happens that I PRECISELY match the modal haplotype > (at 37 markers > tested), not for any family surnamed "White" (as I would > have expected), but > a surname of "Brewer". >

Well Terry B.............what a fun note to all of us. Thanks for sharing. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <bopete67@verizon.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [LL] New 37-marker "White" surname yDNA test for Terry > > Congratulations Terry. It is wonderful that you have found your > ancestor. > Makes me wish I was a man! (No test for women) Best Wishes, Barbara > Barbara Rendina > Jun 16, 2010 11:52:40 AM, lovelace@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Hi everyone, > Some of you will remember me. I've been very quiet lately. This is not > related to the Lovelxxx surname (which is among my ancestry, however), > but > is about genetic genealogy in general. > I thought I'd mention, for whatever it is worth, that I recently did a > 37-marker yDNA test on myself, and my results are clear, unequivocal, > and > even dramatic: > It so happens that I PRECISELY match the modal haplotype (at 37 > markers > tested), not for any family surnamed "White" (as I would have > expected), > but > a surname of "Brewer". > A fourth cousin, twice removed, to myself, named Roger White, also > tested, > and his results were identical to my own. > As I say, my and Roger's results exactly match the modal haplotype for > a > group which calls itself the "Lanier-Brewer" group, because it > descends > (on > paper) from a man named George Brewer (c.1670-1744), whose wife was > Sarah > Lanier. This family originated in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, and > goes > back (again, on paper) to a Dr. William Brewer, of Chard, Somerset, > who > left > a magnificent effigy tomb in the Church of St. Mary-the-Virgin, Chard, > Somerset. This tomb still exists to this day. These Brewers, who were > (fortunately) recorded in the "Visitation of London" in 1634 (and were > therefore armigerous), were related by marriage to the Drake family > (also > armigerous) of Somerset, who seem to have been connected to the Drake > family > of Ashe, Devon (ancestors of Sir Winston Churchill, *inter alia*), > since > their arms were nearly identical. One of the Drake uncles of one of my > genetic Brewer ancestors (John Brewer, "citizen and grocer of London", > who > emigrated to Virginia) was Dr. Roger Drake, physician and writer, who > was > notable enough to make it into the prestigious "Dictionary of National > Biography." > I am suspecting that it may have been my EPA (earliest proven > ancestor) > Jacob White Jr. (1772 NC--ca.1855 GA) who was the person who was > fathered > by > a Brewer, for the reason that he is a 'mystery man', about whom little > is > known or documentable. Jacob Jr. is further of interest as the > candidate > because when he was born in 1772, his "father" Jacob White Sr. was > only 16 > years old. Possible, yes. But not very likely. Of course, the NPE > (non-parental event) or adoption could have just as reasonably > happened > several generations earlier. > I mention this both for its own interest, but mainly to underscore the > importance of genetic testing for genealogical purposes. Of all the > genetic > tests of which I am personally aware, none of the results have ever > been > as > dramatic or emphatic as my own. As you might imagine, I could never > have > expected such good luck as this! > If you have not already been tested, go get yourself tested! You never > know > what will turn up. > I hope everyone is well and happy. Stay out of the Summertime heat! We > are > sweltering here in Georgia (95 degree daytime highs for several days > now). > Best regards, > Terry W. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Congratulations Terry. It is wonderful that you have found your ancestor. Makes me wish I was a man! (No test for women) Best Wishes, Barbara Barbara Rendina Jun 16, 2010 11:52:40 AM, lovelace@rootsweb.com wrote: Hi everyone, Some of you will remember me. I've been very quiet lately. This is not related to the Lovelxxx surname (which is among my ancestry, however), but is about genetic genealogy in general. I thought I'd mention, for whatever it is worth, that I recently did a 37-marker yDNA test on myself, and my results are clear, unequivocal, and even dramatic: It so happens that I PRECISELY match the modal haplotype (at 37 markers tested), not for any family surnamed "White" (as I would have expected), but a surname of "Brewer". A fourth cousin, twice removed, to myself, named Roger White, also tested, and his results were identical to my own. As I say, my and Roger's results exactly match the modal haplotype for a group which calls itself the "Lanier-Brewer" group, because it descends (on paper) from a man named George Brewer (c.1670-1744), whose wife was Sarah Lanier. This family originated in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, and goes back (again, on paper) to a Dr. William Brewer, of Chard, Somerset, who left a magnificent effigy tomb in the Church of St. Mary-the-Virgin, Chard, Somerset. This tomb still exists to this day. These Brewers, who were (fortunately) recorded in the "Visitation of London" in 1634 (and were therefore armigerous), were related by marriage to the Drake family (also armigerous) of Somerset, who seem to have been connected to the Drake family of Ashe, Devon (ancestors of Sir Winston Churchill, *inter alia*), since their arms were nearly identical. One of the Drake uncles of one of my genetic Brewer ancestors (John Brewer, "citizen and grocer of London", who emigrated to Virginia) was Dr. Roger Drake, physician and writer, who was notable enough to make it into the prestigious "Dictionary of National Biography." I am suspecting that it may have been my EPA (earliest proven ancestor) Jacob White Jr. (1772 NC--ca.1855 GA) who was the person who was fathered by a Brewer, for the reason that he is a 'mystery man', about whom little is known or documentable. Jacob Jr. is further of interest as the candidate because when he was born in 1772, his "father" Jacob White Sr. was only 16 years old. Possible, yes. But not very likely. Of course, the NPE (non-parental event) or adoption could have just as reasonably happened several generations earlier. I mention this both for its own interest, but mainly to underscore the importance of genetic testing for genealogical purposes. Of all the genetic tests of which I am personally aware, none of the results have ever been as dramatic or emphatic as my own. As you might imagine, I could never have expected such good luck as this! If you have not already been tested, go get yourself tested! You never know what will turn up. I hope everyone is well and happy. Stay out of the Summertime heat! We are sweltering here in Georgia (95 degree daytime highs for several days now). Best regards, Terry W. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, Some of you will remember me. I've been very quiet lately. This is not related to the Lovelxxx surname (which is among my ancestry, however), but is about genetic genealogy in general. I thought I'd mention, for whatever it is worth, that I recently did a 37-marker yDNA test on myself, and my results are clear, unequivocal, and even dramatic: It so happens that I PRECISELY match the modal haplotype (at 37 markers tested), not for any family surnamed "White" (as I would have expected), but a surname of "Brewer". A fourth cousin, twice removed, to myself, named Roger White, also tested, and his results were identical to my own. As I say, my and Roger's results exactly match the modal haplotype for a group which calls itself the "Lanier-Brewer" group, because it descends (on paper) from a man named George Brewer (c.1670-1744), whose wife was Sarah Lanier. This family originated in Isle of Wight County, Virginia, and goes back (again, on paper) to a Dr. William Brewer, of Chard, Somerset, who left a magnificent effigy tomb in the Church of St. Mary-the-Virgin, Chard, Somerset. This tomb still exists to this day. These Brewers, who were (fortunately) recorded in the "Visitation of London" in 1634 (and were therefore armigerous), were related by marriage to the Drake family (also armigerous) of Somerset, who seem to have been connected to the Drake family of Ashe, Devon (ancestors of Sir Winston Churchill, *inter alia*), since their arms were nearly identical. One of the Drake uncles of one of my genetic Brewer ancestors (John Brewer, "citizen and grocer of London", who emigrated to Virginia) was Dr. Roger Drake, physician and writer, who was notable enough to make it into the prestigious "Dictionary of National Biography." I am suspecting that it may have been my EPA (earliest proven ancestor) Jacob White Jr. (1772 NC--ca.1855 GA) who was the person who was fathered by a Brewer, for the reason that he is a 'mystery man', about whom little is known or documentable. Jacob Jr. is further of interest as the candidate because when he was born in 1772, his "father" Jacob White Sr. was only 16 years old. Possible, yes. But not very likely. Of course, the NPE (non-parental event) or adoption could have just as reasonably happened several generations earlier. I mention this both for its own interest, but mainly to underscore the importance of genetic testing for genealogical purposes. Of all the genetic tests of which I am personally aware, none of the results have ever been as dramatic or emphatic as my own. As you might imagine, I could never have expected such good luck as this! If you have not already been tested, go get yourself tested! You never know what will turn up. I hope everyone is well and happy. Stay out of the Summertime heat! We are sweltering here in Georgia (95 degree daytime highs for several days now). Best regards, Terry W.

How very true, count your blessings. When passing a stranger just say hello and have good day, it will spread and you will know that you put joy in someones heart. It might just be one that lost a love one recently. Have a great day. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -----Original Message----- From: "spice3@juno.com" <spice3@juno.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:41:53 To: <Lovelace@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [LL] Tues Jun 15, 2010 Mornin' Cuzzies, The mornin' sun rays are highlighting some of the green on the trees as the light tiptoes in from the east to encompass the day. Always a very pretty and peaceful time of day. All is very quiet except for the birds chirping to one another.....or an occasional thump when a kitty lands on a bug or butterfly. We hunt everything that jumps, doncha know. ( : Of course, I rescue a lot.....mostly chameleons who are very grateful. Chameleons are not spotted for prospective dinner plate fare.....their allure is mostly for games and chase. Anytime a beautiful young mom is taken from her young babies, we all bleed to death for the children......and thus all of us are for this shocking death in the San Angelo ball park Friday night. Making it so much worse is this most disagreeable grandmother who has caused the family angst for years and years. And, I say to everyone.....don't ever live your lives so you cause others heartache, more than usual anyway. As one the oldest ones of the bunch, it's very hard for me not to swoop in, kidnap grannie, put her in a box for the time being w/ a big band aid over her hateful mouf! There's just no excuse for making everyone in the room pay for your own insecurities. But, the wonderful, wonderful thing is young, vibrant Wendy still lives and has given the gift of life to so many through the donation of her organs.....we are all very anxious to hear the stories. As she lived and though she was so young, she had learned the secret of being an extraordinary giver. I even very recently was the receipient of a gift from her which means more than I can possibly explain. Be very grateful today that you are facing no funerals! ( : Buckette ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mornin' Cuzzies, The mornin' sun rays are highlighting some of the green on the trees as the light tiptoes in from the east to encompass the day. Always a very pretty and peaceful time of day. All is very quiet except for the birds chirping to one another.....or an occasional thump when a kitty lands on a bug or butterfly. We hunt everything that jumps, doncha know. ( : Of course, I rescue a lot.....mostly chameleons who are very grateful. Chameleons are not spotted for prospective dinner plate fare.....their allure is mostly for games and chase. Anytime a beautiful young mom is taken from her young babies, we all bleed to death for the children......and thus all of us are for this shocking death in the San Angelo ball park Friday night. Making it so much worse is this most disagreeable grandmother who has caused the family angst for years and years. And, I say to everyone.....don't ever live your lives so you cause others heartache, more than usual anyway. As one the oldest ones of the bunch, it's very hard for me not to swoop in, kidnap grannie, put her in a box for the time being w/ a big band aid over her hateful mouf! There's just no excuse for making everyone in the room pay for your own insecurities. But, the wonderful, wonderful thing is young, vibrant Wendy still lives and has given the gift of life to so many through the donation of her organs.....we are all very anxious to hear the stories. As she lived and though she was so young, she had learned the secret of being an extraordinary giver. I even very recently was the receipient of a gift from her which means more than I can possibly explain. Be very grateful today that you are facing no funerals! ( : Buckette

Mornin' Cuzzies, Summer just humming right along.....I see where they have spotted the first tropical disturbance out in the Atlantic that oftentimes turns into a hurricane. That time of year..... o : Of course, everyone is more alert than normal around here because of the Gulf oil spill. In fact, everyone is just plain alert to any kind of nuance.....besides the horns at the soccer games. Aren't they mind boggling?!! o : The cat crew for whatever reason has instituted the game a chase these days within the house, up and down the stairs and around at a lickity split miles per hour. It starts around 9 o'clock at night.....evidentally there's no referee.....which means sometimes as there are those who play a little rough, there are squawls, hisses and such from time to time. Just really hard for me to relate to as there are no programs, popcorn, or beer sold. ) : Have a good one!.....I'm off to do thingees----------> Buckette

Mornin' Cuzzies, A Wake Forest University study in 2007 found that at least five spectators have died at baseball games in the U.S. since 1970 as the result of objects, either bats or balls, coming off the field. You know....that is so remarkable! In that time limit baseball musta gathered in trillions of spectators. Well, it happened again Friday night in San Angelo, Texas.....beautiful little auburn haired mom was hit by a line drive right behind 3rd base. She never knew what hit her, and she is gone. The really strange thing is that she is the daughter-in-law of my first husband......as we divorced, most of the family and I stayed married. And, the story even gets stranger for when Da Kid ended his pro baseball career, it was in San Angelo of all weird places, but that happens in baseball. He actually lived at the home of the third wife who was widowed, for she was traveling a lot. Da Kid "puppy dawg sat" for her while she was away, took care of the house, and taught the dawgies to swim in the pool, which they all did together every day. Da Kid is a great animal guy.... ( : We are all very sad......and very shocked. No, please don't write me.....I know you care. I am really out of the loop except for support for the third wife whom I adore. The only good thing to come out of all of this is that several will have the opportunity to live, for Wendy, age 39, was an organ donor. Be grateful today that thingees at your house are somewhat normal, and have a good one! ( : Buckette

Mornin' Cuzzies, Weather has settled down around here.....no more afternoon thunderstorms for several days. Sho has been fun though! And, the plants are just as perky as they can be. Summertime has very definitely taken hold, and the town's children have nestled in to their 'out of school' way of going. All is thus far, peaceful, and I love hearing their happy little voices thru out the neighborhood. As we are coastal people, though not right on the Gulf, and as a lot of our friends are coastal from here to FL, which involve us with a beachy, fishy, watery way of life.....and are the oil capital of the country and we are very aware of the Gulf Coast rig problem, maybe more so than most. And, most of the knowledgables feel, including Ole Buckley, that we are not being told what's really going on by our gubmit about the oil spill. But, like what's new? That's been the case for decades. I would suspect we are going to get many surprises abt. the Gulf problem, and they aren't all going to be good. Of course, there is a major news prob in this country, too, which doesn't help the situation. We aren't fed the news anymore, but what they think we should or should not know. But, you put all of this in the category of thingees you can't do anything about, and go on abt. your normal rat killin'......which I attempt to do. So, get out there and have a good one! Ah plan to.... ( : Buckette

It's on migration patterns in the south, and talks about a kinship group - Neal/Phelps that includes a few names that hover around the edges of the Lovelaces - Harden/Hardin, Summers. Interesting and a lot of really good information about local politics and history. http://wvuscholar.wvu.edu:8881//exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/5879.pdf

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