Hi, Usually I just read also. I am Rhode island group according to DNA testing. But have found it interesting insearching for my father's Indian lines also. Grandmother Loveless remebered visiting her grandmom on the Choctaw reservation. But we ard unable to trace the line. By the way did everyone get the sales notice for more indepth Dna testing? I just received an email showing some good deals if anyone needs a copy. Betsy

Afternoon Cuzzies, Glub, glub......we're still getting the rain, but not enough yet to drag out the water wings! The only good thing is that the big cell of rain seems to be moving and not stalling over the city, like has happened in the past when the po town flooded all over the place. And, speaking of floods, in my ole neighborhood of Del Rio, which is a border city on the Rio Grande River which separates Texas and Mexico, there is a flood of historic proportions! There's never been anything like it. And, those people out there don't know anything about bodies of water. I remember when I moved there, a bunch of little children drowned over Memorial Day week-end in the state.....I was so upset that that week I started swim classes in a local pool. There had never been any teaching of swimming there. One ole rancher told me that water was for people and livestock drinking and certainly not for people swimming! o : This was abt. 1960. Currently having landlord probs which I never have--------->off w/ my sledge hammer! ( : Y'all have a good one! Buckette

Welcome to the new Lovelace/Loveless cousins.......I hope that one of you is researching the Lovelace's of Lauderdale County, AL....as I am still stuck on old George W. 's father.........I know I'm from the Maryland group though so that is good, but I just can't provewho the father of  George W. Lovelace, born 1837 in Lauderdale County, AL.   So help me out here folks........Was his name George also?  Maybe, maybe not.  Please cousins, be from the Lauderdale County, Alabama Lovelace's and have George W.'s birth record! Nancy Lovelace Gooch Atlanta, GA get some chatter going! All, We now have two new cuzzins to join us here this past week, and we've been quiet as mice.  So let's get some chatter going and show them how friendly we are!!! I want to know one thing from our new cuzzin Greg Lovelace....  Where are you from?  Who is your family?  Please don't say your family is from Rutrherford Co., NC...  I just don't think I could take it! Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2989 - Release Date: 07/08/10 02:36:00   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas P. Henry (Me) B: May 27, 1950 Columbus NE Alive and well Emma Tharza Loveless Henry B: February 17, 1910 Dodge NE D: July 29, 1966 Richland NE Perry Alexander Loveless B: November 9th, 1880 Peoria IL D: September 18, 1965 Schuyler NE John Thomas Loveless B: March 5, 1844 Riply OH D: January 22, 1915 Sedgwick CO Crozier Loveless B: February 1806 Dutchess County NY D: July 13, 1898 Springbay IL Note change in spelling of last name Abraham (Abram) Lovelace B: About 1785 Dutchess County NY D: November 2, 1857 Allegan County MI Unproven Suspicion; William Lovelace Between 1738 and 1750 in England D: Between 1800 and 1810 Poughkeepsie NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Gooch" <nlg123@comcast.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 02:16 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Let's get some chatter going! > > > Welcome to the new Lovelace/Loveless cousins.......I hope that one of you > is researching the Lovelace's of Lauderdale County, AL....as I am still > stuck on old George W. 's father.........I know I'm from the Maryland > group though so that is good, but I just can't provewho the father of > George W. Lovelace, born 1837 in Lauderdale County, AL. > > So help me out here folks........Was his name George also? Maybe, maybe > not. Please cousins, be from the Lauderdale County, Alabama Lovelace's and > have George W.'s birth record! > > Nancy Lovelace Gooch > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > > > > get some chatter going! > > All, > > We now have two new cuzzins to join us here this past week, and we've > been quiet as mice. So let's get some chatter going and show them > how friendly we are!!! > > I want to know one thing from our new cuzzin Greg Lovelace.... Where > are you from? Who is your family? Please don't say your family is > from Rutrherford Co., NC... I just don't think I could take it! > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2989 - Release Date: 07/08/10 > 02:36:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2989 - Release Date: 07/08/10 02:36:00

All, We now have two new cuzzins to join us here this past week, and we've been quiet as mice. So let's get some chatter going and show them how friendly we are!!! I want to know one thing from our new cuzzin Greg Lovelace.... Where are you from? Who is your family? Please don't say your family is from Rutrherford Co., NC... I just don't think I could take it! Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2989 - Release Date: 07/08/10 02:36:00

>From: Dee Sardoc <deesar@frontiernet.net> >Source: CATULARE@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CATULARE] Hanford, Kings Co., CA - 20 October 1896 > >Hanford Journal >Hanford, Kings Co., California >Tuesday, 20 OCTOBER 1896 >*********************************** <<snip>> >MARRIAGE -- COLVILLE-LOVELACE -- In Los Angeles, Cal., Oct. 14, >1896, Theophile COLVILLE and Miss Dee LOVELACE. >[The groom is a reporter on the Los Angeles 'Herald' and a magazine >writer. The bride was a resident of Hanford for a long time and has >a host of friends and relatives here, who will join with the >'Journal' in wishing the couple a long life of prosperity and happiness.] <<snip>> >MARRIAGE -- ADAMS-HICKS -- John J. ADAMS and Miss Mollie HICKS. >MARRIAGE -- PAYTON-HICKS -- John W. PAYTON and Miss Lizzie HICKS. > >THE DOUBLE WEDDING of these 2 daughters of Mr.&Mrs. S.B. HICKS took >place at 7:30 o'clock last Sunday evening at the residence of the >brides' parents on Seventh street, in the presence of some 40 >relatives and friends. Rev. J. Lee BLOCK, pastor of the Christian >church, performed the ceremony. > >Miss Mollie's dress was of poplin, changeable lavender and green >color. Miss Lizzie's dress was of the same material, of changeable >blue and gray color. Each of the dresses were ornamented with tinsel >and natural orange blossoms. > >Mr.&Mrs. PAYTON received the following presents: >Silver butter dish, Mrs. HEFTON and LOVELACE <<snip>> >Mr.&Mrs. ADAMS received the following presents: <<snip>> >Silver pickle caster, Misses HEFTON and LOVELACE <<snip>> >DEATH -- SIMPSON -- At Milburn, Kentucky, Oct. 9, 1896, Mrs. Mary >SIMPSON, sister of T.J. LOVELACE and Mrs. Porter MICKLE of Hanford >and M.H. LOVELACE of Dinuba. <<snip>> >Transcribed by Dee Sardoch >To see more old newspapers, visit http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2989 - Release Date: 07/08/10 02:36:00

Lou Ann,   I recently discovered possible Lumbee ancestry in my Davis line. My ancestor Eli Davis (1802-1873) of Meriwether Co Ga. is claimed by several different descendants from related lines (not his own descendants) to have been an illegitimate child of his father by an Indian woman. But she was not only Indian (according to the story), but a slave as well! Since Eli's father Henry was from SC, I have presumed that she was probably Lumbee/Tuckahoe/"Tucky-Hoe" (also supposedly a branch of the Cherokee).   I have documented this much: Eli was indeed listed as one of the heirs of Henry in 1832, when Henry's estate was settled (Wilkinson Co. Ga.), and Henry's estate inventory did indeed list a female slave named "Mary" (Eli's mother was named "Mary/Yantis Dayhuff," according to the tradition). Not only that, but my cousin Jack Davis has done a DNA test, and although he has so far only tested the first 12 markers (doesn't say much, I know!), he does indeed match exactly at 12 markers to another proven descendant of Henry. So at least I know I am on the right track there. The final straw, so to speak is the one and only photo we have of old Eli, which shows unmistakable Indian features in his face! My cousin Jack Davis, who was the first to tell me this story, also mentioned the method of transmission of the tradition: Jack was told by his 1st cousin Billy Yarbrough, who was told by Jack and Billy's Aunt Annie Davis Reid (b.1891), who was told by her grandfather (my 3rd gr-gr. father) James Henry "Jim" Davis (1834-1918), who was a son of old Eli himself. As many will know, it is not often that we know the exact manner in which traditions like that have been handed down!   Another fact which lends credence to this tale is the fact that a few years prior to the death of Jack's father, another James Henry Davis (1903-1966), Jack got up the nerve to ask his father about the "Indian" tradition concerning Eli's parentage. The response was the predictable "Shet yo' mouf' an' doan' ask no mo' questions!" All of which inclines me to believe the story contains at least a kernel of truth! Otherwise, why would the family have been so reluctant to talk about it? It is after all a fact that the only version we have of the tradition was whispered from one generation to the next, and only to a select few! My own branch never had heard of it!   Hope you are well. Always nice to hear from you.   Terry --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Brondak@aol.com <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: From: Brondak@aol.com <Brondak@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 10:06 AM In a message dated 7/8/10 12:54:52 AM, jimmie.ryan@verizon.net writes: > I would not put it pass any of our > Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your > grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North Carolina > and the tribes around Rutherford. > Yes, my grandpa did also have Cherokee blood, but I have yet to pinpoint where it is. I think it is from his mother whose maiden name was Brooks and the Brooks are illusive.   Can't find the exact link to our Brooks, although I have found several families in the areas of both GA and AL where our Lovelesses were.   There's kind of a funny story in regard to the Cherokee in my grandpa's family.   Grandpa's brother married a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee.   At the time my grandpa was 18 and he was against this "mixed marriage".   I have a copy of a letter he wrote to a cousin in TX saying that.   Yet, when I was about 12 my grandpa told me that he had a Cherokee grandpa. I can picture the scenario of this 18 year old ranting about his brother's "mixed marriage" and his mother taking him by the ears and telling him to hush his mouth because he was also Cherokee, probably an eighth as well.    I wish that when I was twelve I had had the sense (or the courage) to ask for more information.   The question came about because I had asked my mother what nationality we were and she told me Black Dutch, but she had no clue what that meant, so I asked my Grandparents.   They told me it meant we were Cherokee.    My grandmother told me she had a Cherokee grandmother (I have found her) and my grandfather told me he had a Cherokee grandfather (the illusive one).    However, the message that came through to me loud and clear that day was that they really didn't want to talk about it, so I didn't pursue it.   Bad mistake.    The other funny thing about this, is that my grandfather was having such a fit about his brother marrying a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee and then he did the same thing. This tells me that he had definitely learned of his own heritage and had changed his mind about "mixed marriages". Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/8/10 12:54:52 AM, jimmie.ryan@verizon.net writes: > I would not put it pass any of our > Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your > grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North Carolina > and the tribes around Rutherford. > Yes, my grandpa did also have Cherokee blood, but I have yet to pinpoint where it is. I think it is from his mother whose maiden name was Brooks and the Brooks are illusive. Can't find the exact link to our Brooks, although I have found several families in the areas of both GA and AL where our Lovelesses were. There's kind of a funny story in regard to the Cherokee in my grandpa's family. Grandpa's brother married a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee. At the time my grandpa was 18 and he was against this "mixed marriage". I have a copy of a letter he wrote to a cousin in TX saying that. Yet, when I was about 12 my grandpa told me that he had a Cherokee grandpa. I can picture the scenario of this 18 year old ranting about his brother's "mixed marriage" and his mother taking him by the ears and telling him to hush his mouth because he was also Cherokee, probably an eighth as well. I wish that when I was twelve I had had the sense (or the courage) to ask for more information. The question came about because I had asked my mother what nationality we were and she told me Black Dutch, but she had no clue what that meant, so I asked my Grandparents. They told me it meant we were Cherokee. My grandmother told me she had a Cherokee grandmother (I have found her) and my grandfather told me he had a Cherokee grandfather (the illusive one). However, the message that came through to me loud and clear that day was that they really didn't want to talk about it, so I didn't pursue it. Bad mistake. The other funny thing about this, is that my grandfather was having such a fit about his brother marrying a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee and then he did the same thing. This tells me that he had definitely learned of his own heritage and had changed his mind about "mixed marriages". Lou Ann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jndhm50 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lovelace/448.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seems like we've come to the same conclusion! After I replied before, I went back to check the census and noticed that I mis-wrote. Elvira was with the Lovelaces and not Elam. I can't recall offhand where the Lovelaces were from. Like you, I believe Allen M. Davis was married in North Carolina - since they didn't come to Greene Co., IL until about 1835. As far as the census goes, in 1860, I have an A. M. Davis living in Sangamon County, Illinois with an M. Davis, an L. Houston, another Davis (can't make out if it's R E) and a A. Davis - and they live right next door to a Babcock. Who's that? Well, I have an obit of Allen M. Davis and it reports that he died at the residence of his son-in-law, Geo. Babcock. So, I do believe that A. M. Davis is Allen M. Davis. I have Elam Davis' death record, as well as the obit as stated above. Would you like for me to scan them and send them to you. I can also scan the portion of Alfred's civil war file that lists his brother and sisters. If so, what's your e-mail address. Keep me posted on what you find out about Allen Morrow Davis. And,if you need anything in Sangamon Co., IL, let me know - that's where I live. By the way, I think it's neat you and your sister still have the family farm. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

As my family did... many can be found in the 1885 Indian Census for the Chickasaw Nation; and my grandparents lived in Grady county most of their lives together (My great grandparents hid in the Canadian River bend on the Chickasaw Nation in the caves when they fled Arkansas after the Civil War). It is difficult to define Cherokee as they were in so many places in the south, especially north Alabama and western Tennessee, along with the Choctaw we see these tribes being forced westward with each newly arriving settler from the new United States. I would not put it pass any of our Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North Carolina and the tribes around Rutherford. Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brondak@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida I sent this to the e-mail address in the message, but also tried to send it to the list and it returned. I'm trying one more time. In a message dated 7/6/10 8:22:18 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > So my question is if they were in the Chickasaw Nation, how could they > have been Cherokee? especially since I currently live in the Cherokee > nation and it so much farther north, it does not seem likely. I think > We should all be looking at Chickasaw records. > > My grandfather is Ed Loveless, g grandson of Barton of GA.  He (my grandfather) married Vestes Meltabarger.  Her father was 1/4 Cherokee and 3/4 German from TN. When they (her father and family) left TN, they spent a little bit of time in TX, then moved upward into Oklahoma.  Before they finally settled in Cleveland County, right in the middle of the state, they lived in the Chickasaw nation south of us.  The Chickasaws allowed people, other than their tribe, to live in their nation.  They needed workers and that was part of the reason.  They leased land and hired workers from outside their tribe, so that could be how your Cherokee folks lived among the Chickasaws. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ingabeads Surnames: davis Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lovelace/448.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: greetings, your response has also reaised questions! I have alfred b davis born in 1843 and living with allen m davis and a sister mariah, born 1845. There is also Ellen, age 1, Margaret, age 30 (margaret cradick houston) and three of her children from earlier marriage, along with her mother. They are living in Greene County, Il. This is the 1850 census. Elam, born abt 1839 was listed in the same census, was with William Jackson and Maria Hinton Davis, the brother and sister-in-law of Allen Morrow Davis. Elam was 11 years old. This Davis family lived east of White Hall, Greene Co, Ill. Living next door was Arthur Davis, another brother of the Davis men. The Elam you found living with Price and Margaret Lovelace was listed as Elam Lovelace was 3 yr old in the 1850 census. Mysteriously there was an Elvira Davis age 11, listed at that address. I have no record of an Elvira, although you said there was an Elvira listed in Alfred's civil war record. I researched the Margaret Lovelace listed with Price Lovelace and she was born in Indiana and later married a William Wells. Elam Davis lists his mother as being born in North Carolina. In the 1860 census for Greene Co, Illinois there is an Elon Davis, age 22, living with Arthur Davis. Another spelling for Elam was Elon. I can't find Allen M Davis in 1860 but in 1880 He and Margaret are living very close to Elam Davis in Sangamon Co. Illinois. That is about 50 miles away from Greene Co. The dates for this Elam coincide with the Elam Davis born in 1839 so I fell comfortable that this is the same Allen M Davis. I have not seen Elam's death record so am curious about the Sidney A Davis name. I think this is what happened - Allen Morrow Davis married someone from North Carolina. He came to Illinois with his parents and a wife. They were the parents of Elam, Alfred, and Mariah - and possibly others as the family bible listed. It's possible his first wife was a Sarah Lovelace, but one from North Carolina. She must have died and then he married Margaret C Houston in 1848. I am pretty sure that Allen Morrow Davis and Allen M Davis are the same person. The dates seem to support that. I have a lot of information about the rest of the Davis brothers who came to Illinois with their parents, James Davis Sr. and Jane Morrow Davis - but now I will do more research about Allen Morrow Davis. I grew up in White Hall, Illinois and plan to go to the library there to see if there is more information I can use. (my sister and I still have the farm where William Jackson and Mariah Hinton Davis lived and where Elam was in 1850) Let me know what you think about this myriad of information! Linda Davis Ballard Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Welcome cousin , There are some of us in this group are were .Maybe we can help other lines spreading out from JBL . Katherne Melton . Mother was a Lovelace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Williams, Scott" <swilliams@elvis.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [LL] New Cuzzin > Thanks! Glad to have found the site. I have only been working on my > ancestry for a few months but seem to be addicted. I can't get off my > computer at night! > My mother is a Lovelace. She was the daughter of Guy Lovelace, son of > Charles Buchanan Lovelace, son of Thomas A. Lovelace, son of Thomas > Lovelace, son of Charles Lovelace, son of John Baptist Lovelace. > It appears around 1834, Thomas A. moved his family to Haywood County, TN > and that is where they all stayed until my mother left for the big city. > > My aunt and uncle are Lovelaces and they still live in the house in > Haywood County in which my grandfather, Guy Lovelace, grew up. The front > yard has the largest Magnolia tree in this region. > I am looking forward to checking out the archives! > Thanks, > > Scott > swilliams@elvis.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Greg Lovelace > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:48 PM > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LL] New Cuzzin > > Hi, folks > > And hello to Scott Williams <swilliams@elvis.com> > Scott is a descendant of John Baptist Lovelace, and I'll let him tell > you how. > > Welcome to the group, Scott. When you get comfortable with us, let > us know your line from JBL. Don't be shy... we're a great bunch of > people. > In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit > our > website at > > <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ > lovelace > > Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an > ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right > now > by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main > page. > > And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling > the > confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and > Loveless > families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website > (<http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/>http://www.familytreedna > .com/public/lovelace/) > and on our own DNA website > (<http://dna.satmel.com/results.html>http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) > > Take a look! > > We now also have a companion website on MyFamily.com. If you're not > familiar with that organization, to go > <http://www.myfamily.com>http://www.myfamily.com and read to > find out a little more about it. If you'd like to be invited to join > that > site, please email me at < > <mailto:greglovelace@comcast.net>greglovelace@comcast.net>. > > > Glad to have with us :-) > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, folks And hello to Scott Williams <swilliams@elvis.com> Scott is a descendant of John Baptist Lovelace, and I'll let him tell you how. Welcome to the group, Scott. When you get comfortable with us, let us know your line from JBL. Don't be shy... we're a great bunch of people. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit our website at <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling the confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and Loveless families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website (<http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA website (<http://dna.satmel.com/results.html>http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! We now also have a companion website on MyFamily.com. If you're not familiar with that organization, to go <http://www.myfamily.com>http://www.myfamily.com and read to find out a little more about it. If you'd like to be invited to join that site, please email me at < <mailto:greglovelace@comcast.net>greglovelace@comcast.net>. Glad to have with us :-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Thanks! Glad to have found the site. I have only been working on my ancestry for a few months but seem to be addicted. I can't get off my computer at night! My mother is a Lovelace. She was the daughter of Guy Lovelace, son of Charles Buchanan Lovelace, son of Thomas A. Lovelace, son of Thomas Lovelace, son of Charles Lovelace, son of John Baptist Lovelace. It appears around 1834, Thomas A. moved his family to Haywood County, TN and that is where they all stayed until my mother left for the big city. My aunt and uncle are Lovelaces and they still live in the house in Haywood County in which my grandfather, Guy Lovelace, grew up. The front yard has the largest Magnolia tree in this region. I am looking forward to checking out the archives! Thanks, Scott swilliams@elvis.com -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Greg Lovelace Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:48 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] New Cuzzin Hi, folks And hello to Scott Williams <swilliams@elvis.com> Scott is a descendant of John Baptist Lovelace, and I'll let him tell you how. Welcome to the group, Scott. When you get comfortable with us, let us know your line from JBL. Don't be shy... we're a great bunch of people. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit our website at <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ lovelace Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling the confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and Loveless families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website (<http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/>http://www.familytreedna .com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA website (<http://dna.satmel.com/results.html>http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! We now also have a companion website on MyFamily.com. If you're not familiar with that organization, to go <http://www.myfamily.com>http://www.myfamily.com and read to find out a little more about it. If you'd like to be invited to join that site, please email me at < <mailto:greglovelace@comcast.net>greglovelace@comcast.net>. Glad to have with us :-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You two will have to sign as Greg Lovelace 1 or 2, so we don't get confused. Nancy Welty Ross > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 21:16:13 -0400 > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > From: greglovelace@comcast.net > Subject: [LL] New Cuzzin > > Hi, folks > > And hello to Greg Lovelace <greglovelace47@yahoo.com> > > Can it be? Another Greg Lovelace???? > > Welcome to the group, Greg. When you get comfortable with us, let > us know who you're researching, and we'll do our best to help you connect. > In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit our > website at > > <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace > > Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an > ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now > by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. > > And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling the > confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and Loveless > families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website > (<http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) > and on our own DNA website > (<http://dna.satmel.com/results.html>http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) > Take a look! > > We now also have a companion website on MyFamily.com. If you're not > familiar with that organization, to go > <http://www.myfamily.com>http://www.myfamily.com and read to > find out a little more about it. If you'd like to be invited to join that > site, please email me at < > <mailto:greglovelace@comcast.net>greglovelace@comcast.net>. > > > Glad to have with us :-) > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Katherine- The Lovelace website is here:http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lovelace/ The Lovelace Myfamily site is here:http://www.myfamily.comNancy Welty Ross > From: katherine82@insightbb.com > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 15:11:30 -0500 > Subject: Re: [LL] Sarah Lovelace of Greene Co. Illinois > > Larry, > Good to hear from you . Yes , I am interested in filling any holes possible > . I come thru Elam Lovelace my direct line . I wondered where the name > originated and thought maybe from a mother's maiden name . We do repeat them > a lot . I have a few of his papers but didn't have enough sense to copy all > of them when I was there . Still trying to get back there but that may not > happen anyway soon . Kids let me drive in town but don't want me on the road > . Shoot . Makes me mad . On the computer can go any where but not the same > as walking the real ground . > Have wondered how you are . Thanks for the offer . My health has improved > but I will never be a 100 % any more but I still can take care of myself . > Can't conplain . > Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry" <soupcan5@yadtel.net> > To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: [LL] Sarah Lovelace of Greene Co. Illinois >

Ooops. I forgot to change the subject line in the last message. Hope you can figure out what I was replying to. Lou Ann

I sent this to the e-mail address in the message, but also tried to send it to the list and it returned. I'm trying one more time. In a message dated 7/6/10 8:22:18 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > So my question is if they were in the Chickasaw Nation, how could they > have been Cherokee? especially since I currently live in the Cherokee nation > and it so much farther north, it does not seem likely. I think We should > all be looking at Chickasaw records. > > My grandfather is Ed Loveless, g grandson of Barton of GA.  He (my grandfather) married Vestes Meltabarger.  Her father was 1/4 Cherokee and 3/4 German from TN.  When they (her father and family) left TN, they spent a little bit of time in TX, then moved upward into Oklahoma.  Before they finally settled in Cleveland County, right in the middle of the state, they lived in the Chickasaw nation south of us.  The Chickasaws allowed people, other than their tribe, to live in their nation.  They needed workers and that was part of the reason.  They leased land and hired workers from outside their tribe, so that could be how your Cherokee folks lived among the Chickasaws. Lou Ann

Hi, folks And hello to Greg Lovelace <greglovelace47@yahoo.com> Can it be? Another Greg Lovelace???? Welcome to the group, Greg. When you get comfortable with us, let us know who you're researching, and we'll do our best to help you connect. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit our website at <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling the confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and Loveless families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website (<http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA website (<http://dna.satmel.com/results.html>http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! We now also have a companion website on MyFamily.com. If you're not familiar with that organization, to go <http://www.myfamily.com>http://www.myfamily.com and read to find out a little more about it. If you'd like to be invited to join that site, please email me at < <mailto:greglovelace@comcast.net>greglovelace@comcast.net>. Glad to have with us :-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Katherine, There seems to be a family named Elam that moved into Iredell Co, where Charles Lovelace lived, before 1850 ( Charles Elam bought land from the Tomlinson family about then) in the same neighborhood that the Lovelaces lived. They own the tract where Erasmus and Lidia lived on. I now have all of Dr Laugenhour's papers scanned and on a disk. I really haven't spent too much time going over any of the files due to health and two of my kids getting married and dragging me all over for reasons yet to be revealed . If you want. I will try and email them to you. It would be nice to figure out this gang so I can figure in the in laws! Larry On 7/6/2010 9:48 AM, Katherine Melton wrote: > Nancy, > Thanks for the new imput . It fills some holes for some of us . We have > searched for a long time . Had bits and peices . > Katherine Melton > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Ross"<nlwross@hotmail.com> > To:<lovelace-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 11:06 PM > Subject: Re: [LL] Sarah Lovelace of Greene Co. Illinois > > > >> Price Lovelace was the son of Eleanor Lovelace, who was one of the >> daughters of Isaac Lovelace. Eleanor came to Illinois at about the time >> of her brother, James, and sister, Mahala, who was married to Samuel >> Doyle (they went to Greene Co. in 1829-30). No one has identified the >> father of Eleanor's children. All these children were born in Rowan, NC, >> and moved to Kentucky before going to IL. >> Isaac Lovelace had a brother, named James, who had a daughter named Sarah >> (born about 1802-I have no other info about her). I have a great deal >> of info about the Lovelaces-I'm descended from Mahala and Samuel Doyle. >> See below about James. This article may explain the first name of Elam. >> History of Clark Co., IL @1883 www.trail.org/clark/history.htmlpage >> 396"In the year 1822 the settlement was increased by the arrival of James >> Lovelace, Samuel Elam, Lindy Ashmore, William Ashmore, Martin Graves and >> Henry Taylor. Lovelace, Elam and the Ashmore's came together and were >> from Kentucky. They settled on the creek south of Livingston and built >> small cabins and spent most of their time hunting. When the land was >> entered they moved away but afterward entered lands on the creek in the >> south part of the township." >> There's a huge amount of info in the Lovelace Archives at Rootsweb. >> >> Nancy Welty Ross >> Researching:Welty,Whaling,Allen,Buck, >> Lovelace,Doyle,Taylor,Greer,Ruble,Tyler,West,Rankin IL/TN/NC/VA/KY/MD/PA >> >> >> >> >>> From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com >>> To: LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 12:43:19 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [LL] Sarah Lovelace of Greene Co. Illinois >>> >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: jndhm50 >>> Surnames: >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lovelace/448.1.1/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> Your response has raised some questions for me. My husband is descended >>> from Alfred Davis, who was born in Greene Co., in 1840. His death record >>> says his father is Allen Davis and his mother was unknown. I searched >>> the 1850 census and found Alfred Davis with Allen M. Davis and Margaret >>> Houston Davis. On line, I found where Allen M. Davis and Margaret Houston >>> were married around 1848. In looking at some Greene County, IL histories, >>> I saw a biography of James Davis and it mentioned his sons, one of whom >>> was Allen Morrow Davis. Is Allen Morrow Davis and Allen M. Davis the >>> same person. >>> >>> So, then I ordered Alfred Davis civil war record. One of the papers was >>> an affidavit from a notary stating he had examined the family bible and >>> it listed the names of Alfred's brothers and sisters - one of the >>> brothers was Elam Davis. After obtaining Elam's death record, it showed >>> his father as Sidney A. Davis and his mother as Sarah Loveless/Lovelace. >>> >>> That is as much info as I have on Sarah Lovelace. Now, I'm wondering if >>> I've been looking at the wrong Allen Davis. You stated Allen Morrow had >>> three children - If Alfred is one of his children, according to Alfred's >>> civil war record and the "family bible", he had Theresa, Elizabeth, Elam, >>> Elvira, and Mary. >>> >>> In one census (can't remember if it was the 1850 or later census, I found >>> Elam living with a Price Lovelace, which could possibly mean the Lovelace >>> and Davis families were related. >>> >>> Let me know what you think. . . >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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