At 07:47 PM 7/10/2010, Betsy wrote: >Do you know if anyone in this line has done the longer search on the >DNA. If so I probably missed a prior posting. If not then I would be >willing to do so. Hey, Betsy... Wes G. Lovelace has been tested to 67 markers. 2 members have tested only 12 markers. And the rest of the subjects (5) have tested out to 37 markers. Hope this helps... Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Thank you that does help. I have also sent for info on the conference you were talking about earler. Thank you for all the info you so willing give. Betsy

Greg Do you know if anyone in this line has done the longer search on the DNA. If so I probably missed a prior posting. If not then I would be willing to do so. Thank you. Betsy

Kelly- You would need to have a male descendant of John Lazarus Lovelace to donate the DNA for you to participate. I'm in the same type of situation-4 generations removed from the Lovelace male line. However, check out the DNA website, someone from your line may have already participated. Nancy Welty Ross Researching:Welty,Whaling,Allen,Buck, Lovelace,Doyle,Taylor,Greer,Ruble,Tyler,West,Rankin IL/TN/NC/VA/KY/MD/PA > From: katherine82@insightbb.com > To: kellywest1@comcast.net; lovelace@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:00:42 -0500 > Subject: Re: [LL] DNA discount > > Kelly and Scott , > I am a female descendant of JBL , Charles , Thomas , Elam , Louis Randolph , > William Benjamin , Major Gordon , Ruby Imogene and me Katherine Gish Melton > . Glad to meet you and happy to hear from you . Welcome and good searching . > katherine82@insightbb.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Westerfield" <kellywest1@comcast.net> > To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:54 PM > Subject: [LL] DNA discount > > > > Greg and Betsy, > > I want to thank both of you on the DNA discount information. I have seen > > the > > DNA Marker Information on the website and I know basically how the process > > works but I'm not sure how to get started. I'm a Lovelace descendent > > through my Father's side but I might be too far removed to fit in. I do > > not > > have a personal page on MyFamily website other than through the Lovelace > > Tree. My Tree is on Ancestry.Com. I'm not sure how to get started. Please > > let me know what to do. My Lovelace Tree is listed below. > > > > Thanks, > > Kelly Westerfield > > > > Kelly Simmons Westerfield b. 1949 Colorado Springs, El Paso Co., CO > > m. Mary Lynn Brunner b. 1948 Bremerton, Kitsap Co., WA > > > > Frank Orlen Westerfield, Jr b. 1924 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > > d. 1994 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > > m. Julia Anne Simmons b. 1927 Tucson, Pima Co., AZ > > d. 1996 Tucson, Pima Co., AZ > > > > Frank Orlen Westerfield, Sr. b. 1888 Milo, Warren Co., IA > > d. 1983 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > > m. Ida Maybelle Lovelace b. 1887 Rolla, Phelps Co., MO > > d. 1972 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > > > > John Lazarus Lovelace b. 1860 MO > > d. 1943 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > > m. Edna Blinder Walker b. 1863 Jefferson, Maries Co., MO > > d. Abt. 1943 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > > > > Thomas Jones Lovelace b. 1824 Iredell Co., NC > > d. 1897 Maries County, MO > > m. Mary Susannah Holeman b. 1828 Iredell Co., NC > > d. 1886 Maries County, MO > > > > Levi Lovelace b. 1804 Cool Springs, Iredell Co., NC > > d. 1871 Boone, Franklin Co., MO > > m. Sarah Lazenby b. Abt.1808 NC > > d. Aft. 1880 Franklin Co., MO > > > > Thomas A. Lovelace b. Abt. 1772 Frederick Co., MD > > d. 1829 Statesville, Iredell Co., NC > > m. Amelia Permela Dyson b. 1761 Trinity, Caroline Co., MD > > d. 1828 Statesville, Iredell Co., NC > > > > Charles Lovelace b. Abt. 1727 Frederick Co., MD > > d. 1796 Iredell Co., North Carolina > > m. Sarah Robey b. Abt. 1731 Frederick Co., MD > > d. 1796 Iredell Co., NC > > > > John Baptist Lovelace b. Abt. 1700 or 1710 Baltimore, MD, > > d. Abt. 16 Aug 1765 Frederick Co., MD > > m. Eleanor Gaither b. Abt. 1702 Port Tobacco, Charles Co., MD > > d. 09 May 1777 Salisbury, Rowan Co., NC > > > > ------- Not Sure beyond here---- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey, Jane As far as I know, there isn't any benefit unless the other members of your group also upgrade. The additional markers by themselves won't give you any more information. However, if compared with upgrades for the other members of the group, you might gain some insight into the breakdown of the families within that group. And no, no other sample needs to be submitted, unless the company finds that somehow the original sample was corrupted somehow, which is doubtful. Hope this helps.... Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg At 01:36 PM 7/10/2010, you wrote: >Can someone explain to me the benefits if I pay to have my cousin's dna >upgraded to the 67 marker? He doesn't need to submit anymore dna samples >does he? This is for the line of Thomas R. Loveless, the mystery man. The >dna suggests that he comes from the line of Charles Lovelace but where he >fits in is the big question. >Jane

>From: "oldnews" <oldnews@genkeys.com> >Source: PAGENWEB@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PAGENWEB] Oil City, PA High School Class of 1930 Photo > >Oil City, PA High School Class of 1930 > >http://www3.familyoldphotos.com/photo/pennsylvania/20803/oil-city-pa-high-school-class-1930 > >In the class (and probably in the photograph): <<snip>> >Charles Loveless <<snip>> >More Pennsylvania Old Photos > >http://www3.familyoldphotos.com/category/united-states/pennsylvania

Hi, Kelly At 02:54 PM 7/10/2010, you wrote: >I have seen the DNA Marker Information on the website and I know >basically how the process works but I'm not sure how to get >started. I'm a Lovelace descendent through my Father's side but I >might be too far removed to fit in. Actually, unless you carry the surname, the DNA study won't do you any good. You need to be a male with the Lovelace or Loveless name, because the markers in question are passed on the y-chromosome from father to son. Since your first Lovelace ancestor was your g-grandmother, testing y-dna would only be good for your Westerfield line and would not tell you anything about the Lovelace ancestry. >My Lovelace Tree is listed below. If the ancestry is correct, you've gone back about as far as anyone on the list. There are some earlier generations than John Baptist, but we haven't detailed them. The good news, though, is that there are plenty of descendants from the JBL line on the list, so you have lots of cousins. And many of them have been tested for the DNA study. I'm not sure whether we have any tested descendants of Thomas and Amelia Dyson Lovelace, but these lines are pretty well documented and don't really need the DNA test to confirm the lineage. We can say for sure that, if listed tree is correct, you belong to what we refer to as the Maryland group. We have seen through DNA testing that this group probably traces back to southwest England, in the region of Dorset, for the immigrant ancestor in the colonies. We just don't know yet who he was. So no real need to spring for a DNA test. Hope this helps.... Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Kelly and Scott , I am a female descendant of JBL , Charles , Thomas , Elam , Louis Randolph , William Benjamin , Major Gordon , Ruby Imogene and me Katherine Gish Melton . Glad to meet you and happy to hear from you . Welcome and good searching . katherine82@insightbb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Westerfield" <kellywest1@comcast.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: [LL] DNA discount > Greg and Betsy, > I want to thank both of you on the DNA discount information. I have seen > the > DNA Marker Information on the website and I know basically how the process > works but I'm not sure how to get started. I'm a Lovelace descendent > through my Father's side but I might be too far removed to fit in. I do > not > have a personal page on MyFamily website other than through the Lovelace > Tree. My Tree is on Ancestry.Com. I'm not sure how to get started. Please > let me know what to do. My Lovelace Tree is listed below. > > Thanks, > Kelly Westerfield > > Kelly Simmons Westerfield b. 1949 Colorado Springs, El Paso Co., CO > m. Mary Lynn Brunner b. 1948 Bremerton, Kitsap Co., WA > > Frank Orlen Westerfield, Jr b. 1924 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > d. 1994 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > m. Julia Anne Simmons b. 1927 Tucson, Pima Co., AZ > d. 1996 Tucson, Pima Co., AZ > > Frank Orlen Westerfield, Sr. b. 1888 Milo, Warren Co., IA > d. 1983 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > m. Ida Maybelle Lovelace b. 1887 Rolla, Phelps Co., MO > d. 1972 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > > John Lazarus Lovelace b. 1860 MO > d. 1943 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > m. Edna Blinder Walker b. 1863 Jefferson, Maries Co., MO > d. Abt. 1943 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM > > Thomas Jones Lovelace b. 1824 Iredell Co., NC > d. 1897 Maries County, MO > m. Mary Susannah Holeman b. 1828 Iredell Co., NC > d. 1886 Maries County, MO > > Levi Lovelace b. 1804 Cool Springs, Iredell Co., NC > d. 1871 Boone, Franklin Co., MO > m. Sarah Lazenby b. Abt.1808 NC > d. Aft. 1880 Franklin Co., MO > > Thomas A. Lovelace b. Abt. 1772 Frederick Co., MD > d. 1829 Statesville, Iredell Co., NC > m. Amelia Permela Dyson b. 1761 Trinity, Caroline Co., MD > d. 1828 Statesville, Iredell Co., NC > > Charles Lovelace b. Abt. 1727 Frederick Co., MD > d. 1796 Iredell Co., North Carolina > m. Sarah Robey b. Abt. 1731 Frederick Co., MD > d. 1796 Iredell Co., NC > > John Baptist Lovelace b. Abt. 1700 or 1710 Baltimore, MD, > d. Abt. 16 Aug 1765 Frederick Co., MD > m. Eleanor Gaither b. Abt. 1702 Port Tobacco, Charles Co., MD > d. 09 May 1777 Salisbury, Rowan Co., NC > > ------- Not Sure beyond here---- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Greg. That answers alot. Have a good day. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Greg Lovelace Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 1:50 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] DNA discount Hi, Kelly At 02:54 PM 7/10/2010, you wrote: >I have seen the DNA Marker Information on the website and I know >basically how the process works but I'm not sure how to get >started. I'm a Lovelace descendent through my Father's side but I >might be too far removed to fit in. Actually, unless you carry the surname, the DNA study won't do you any good. You need to be a male with the Lovelace or Loveless name, because the markers in question are passed on the y-chromosome from father to son. Since your first Lovelace ancestor was your g-grandmother, testing y-dna would only be good for your Westerfield line and would not tell you anything about the Lovelace ancestry. >My Lovelace Tree is listed below. If the ancestry is correct, you've gone back about as far as anyone on the list. There are some earlier generations than John Baptist, but we haven't detailed them. The good news, though, is that there are plenty of descendants from the JBL line on the list, so you have lots of cousins. And many of them have been tested for the DNA study. I'm not sure whether we have any tested descendants of Thomas and Amelia Dyson Lovelace, but these lines are pretty well documented and don't really need the DNA test to confirm the lineage. We can say for sure that, if listed tree is correct, you belong to what we refer to as the Maryland group. We have seen through DNA testing that this group probably traces back to southwest England, in the region of Dorset, for the immigrant ancestor in the colonies. We just don't know yet who he was. So no real need to spring for a DNA test. Hope this helps.... Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone explain to me the benefits if I pay to have my cousin's dna upgraded to the 67 marker? He doesn't need to submit anymore dna samples does he? This is for the line of Thomas R. Loveless, the mystery man. The dna suggests that he comes from the line of Charles Lovelace but where he fits in is the big question. Jane In a message dated 7/10/2010 10:24:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, greglovelace@comcast.net writes: All, Here is the announcement from FTDNA on the discounts. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ==================================== Dear Family Tree DNA Customer Over the last several years, due to the unmatched growth of our database, numerous people have confirmed and found new connections with others of their surname, and adoptees and descendents of adoptees have even found their biological surname. These successes are due in large part to the size and quality of our database, which, with your help, has achieved critical mass. We have made tremendous progress, but we feel that we can do more. If you have tested 12, 25, or 37 markers, an upgrade to 37 or 67 markers could provide the relevant connection that you or your matches have been waiting for. Family Tree DNA is dedicated to supporting this effort. From July 8th through July 19th, we will reduce all our Y-DNA upgrade prices. Current Group SALE Price Y12-25 $49 $35 Y12-37 $99 $69 Y12-67 $189 $149 Y25-37 $49 $35 Y25-67 $148 $109 Y37-67 $99 $79 To order this special offer, log in to your personal page and click on the special offers link in the left hand navigation bar. A link to the login page is provided below. ALL ORDERS MUST BE PLACED AND PAID FOR BY MIDNIGHT JULY 19th TO RECEIVE THE SALE PRICE. www.familytreedna.com/login.aspx A notice of this sale has been sent to those customers who qualify for these Y-DNA upgrades. We would also like to take this opportunity to inform you that registration has begun for The 6th Annual Conference on Genetic Genealogy for Group Administrators, which will be taking place on October 30-31, 2010. You can find more about it here As always, we appreciate your continued support. Bennett Greenspan President Family Tree DNA www.familytreedna.com "History Unearthed Daily" ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greg and Betsy, I want to thank both of you on the DNA discount information. I have seen the DNA Marker Information on the website and I know basically how the process works but I'm not sure how to get started. I'm a Lovelace descendent through my Father's side but I might be too far removed to fit in. I do not have a personal page on MyFamily website other than through the Lovelace Tree. My Tree is on Ancestry.Com. I'm not sure how to get started. Please let me know what to do. My Lovelace Tree is listed below. Thanks, Kelly Westerfield Kelly Simmons Westerfield b. 1949 Colorado Springs, El Paso Co., CO m. Mary Lynn Brunner b. 1948 Bremerton, Kitsap Co., WA Frank Orlen Westerfield, Jr b. 1924 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM d. 1994 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM m. Julia Anne Simmons b. 1927 Tucson, Pima Co., AZ d. 1996 Tucson, Pima Co., AZ Frank Orlen Westerfield, Sr. b. 1888 Milo, Warren Co., IA d. 1983 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM m. Ida Maybelle Lovelace b. 1887 Rolla, Phelps Co., MO d. 1972 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM John Lazarus Lovelace b. 1860 MO d. 1943 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM m. Edna Blinder Walker b. 1863 Jefferson, Maries Co., MO d. Abt. 1943 Albuquerque, Bernalillo Co., NM Thomas Jones Lovelace b. 1824 Iredell Co., NC d. 1897 Maries County, MO m. Mary Susannah Holeman b. 1828 Iredell Co., NC d. 1886 Maries County, MO Levi Lovelace b. 1804 Cool Springs, Iredell Co., NC d. 1871 Boone, Franklin Co., MO m. Sarah Lazenby b. Abt.1808 NC d. Aft. 1880 Franklin Co., MO Thomas A. Lovelace b. Abt. 1772 Frederick Co., MD d. 1829 Statesville, Iredell Co., NC m. Amelia Permela Dyson b. 1761 Trinity, Caroline Co., MD d. 1828 Statesville, Iredell Co., NC Charles Lovelace b. Abt. 1727 Frederick Co., MD d. 1796 Iredell Co., North Carolina m. Sarah Robey b. Abt. 1731 Frederick Co., MD d. 1796 Iredell Co., NC John Baptist Lovelace b. Abt. 1700 or 1710 Baltimore, MD, d. Abt. 16 Aug 1765 Frederick Co., MD m. Eleanor Gaither b. Abt. 1702 Port Tobacco, Charles Co., MD d. 09 May 1777 Salisbury, Rowan Co., NC ------- Not Sure beyond here----

All, Here is the announcement from FTDNA on the discounts. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ==================================== Dear Family Tree DNA Customer Over the last several years, due to the unmatched growth of our database, numerous people have confirmed and found new connections with others of their surname, and adoptees and descendents of adoptees have even found their biological surname. These successes are due in large part to the size and quality of our database, which, with your help, has achieved critical mass. We have made tremendous progress, but we feel that we can do more. If you have tested 12, 25, or 37 markers, an upgrade to 37 or 67 markers could provide the relevant connection that you or your matches have been waiting for. Family Tree DNA is dedicated to supporting this effort. From July 8th through July 19th, we will reduce all our Y-DNA upgrade prices. Current Group SALE Price Y12-25 $49 $35 Y12-37 $99 $69 Y12-67 $189 $149 Y25-37 $49 $35 Y25-67 $148 $109 Y37-67 $99 $79 To order this special offer, log in to your personal page and click on the special offers link in the left hand navigation bar. A link to the login page is provided below. ALL ORDERS MUST BE PLACED AND PAID FOR BY MIDNIGHT JULY 19th TO RECEIVE THE SALE PRICE. www.familytreedna.com/login.aspx A notice of this sale has been sent to those customers who qualify for these Y-DNA upgrades. We would also like to take this opportunity to inform you that registration has begun for The 6th Annual Conference on Genetic Genealogy for Group Administrators, which will be taking place on October 30-31, 2010. You can find more about it here As always, we appreciate your continued support. Bennett Greenspan President Family Tree DNA www.familytreedna.com "History Unearthed Daily"

Betsy, I would like a copy also. Kelly Westerfield -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Betsy Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:28 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] DNA discount Hi, Usually I just read also. I am Rhode island group according to DNA testing. But have found it interesting insearching for my father's Indian lines also. Grandmother Loveless remebered visiting her grandmom on the Choctaw reservation. But we ard unable to trace the line. By the way did everyone get the sales notice for more indepth Dna testing? I just received an email showing some good deals if anyone needs a copy. Betsy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Betsy, I would like a copy.   Thanks David Lovelace --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Betsy <betsyloveless@att.net> wrote: From: Betsy <betsyloveless@att.net> Subject: [LL] DNA discount To: "lovelace@rootsweb.com" <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 9:27 PM Hi,  Usually I just read also.  I am Rhode island group according to DNA testing. But have found it interesting insearching for my father's Indian lines also. Grandmother Loveless remebered visiting her grandmom on the Choctaw reservation. But we ard unable to trace the line. By the way did everyone get the sales notice for more indepth Dna testing?  I just received an email showing some good deals if anyone needs a copy. Betsy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lovelace/loveless folks: Just responding to the Chickawas/ Choctaw/Cherokee comments. This has been part of our family lore since I was a child. My mom and her sisters couldn't verify and weren't sure but many people thought my mother was clearly connected by her visual appearance.......The family always said Cherokee........but....There were so many Lovelesses around where she grew up (those close and those rather distant) that the connection could have been from the other remotely related lines. No verification from our lines either. Sadly. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "ginnyo" <ginnyo@knology.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida > My Mom (a Lovelace, 1911-1989 ) from the Rutherford County group always > told > me > that she had some Cherokee blood, but I was too young to ask how.....and I > have > never known for sure how it came about. > > Ginny > Panama City Beach > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmie Ryan" <jimmie.ryan@verizon.net> > To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida > > > As my family did... many can be found in the 1885 Indian Census for the > Chickasaw Nation; and my grandparents lived in Grady county most of their > lives together (My great grandparents hid in the Canadian River bend on > the > Chickasaw Nation in the caves when they fled Arkansas after the Civil > War). > It is difficult to define Cherokee as they were in so many places in the > south, especially north Alabama and western Tennessee, along with the > Choctaw we see these tribes being forced westward with each newly arriving > settler from the new United States. I would not put it pass any of our > Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your > grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North Carolina > and the tribes around Rutherford. > > Jimmie > > -----Original Message----- > From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Brondak@aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida > > I sent this to the e-mail address in the message, but also tried to send > it > to the list > and it returned. I'm trying one more time. > > In a message dated 7/6/10 8:22:18 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > > > >> So my question is if they were in the Chickasaw Nation, how could they >> have been Cherokee? especially since I currently live in the Cherokee >> nation and it so much farther north, it does not seem likely. I think >> We should all be looking at Chickasaw records. >> >> > > My grandfather is Ed Loveless, g grandson of Barton of GA. He (my > grandfather) married > Vestes Meltabarger. Her father was 1/4 Cherokee and 3/4 German from TN. > When they (her father and family) left TN, they spent a little bit of time > in TX, then moved upward into Oklahoma. Before they finally settled in > Cleveland County, right in the middle of the state, they lived in the > Chickasaw nation south of us. The Chickasaws allowed people, other than > their tribe, to live in their nation. They needed workers and that was > part > of the reason. They leased land and hired workers from outside their > tribe, > so that could be how your Cherokee folks lived among the Chickasaws. > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I currently live in Evansville, IN and my ancestors are from just a couple of counties over (Pike County).  However, they use the Loveless spelling. ________________________________ From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace47@yahoo.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 8:24:26 AM Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 172 Currently living in Kansas City, MO. There are a lot of  Lovelaces here and as far as I know, we are from LaGrange, Georgia and later mitigrated to Evansville, In. Are you aware of any Lovelaces from that region. The Georgia connection is as far as we know, looking sometime in the 1900s.  Is there any more information out there?  In LaGrange, Georgia, there is a street named Lovelace named after a John Lovelace. Just wondering who he is. ________________________________ From: "lovelace-request@rootsweb.com" <lovelace-request@rootsweb.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 2:00:56 AM Subject: LOVELACE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 172 Note: Forwarded message is attached. Today's Topics:   1. Re: Sarah Lovelace of Greene Co. Illinois       (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)   2. Re: Sarah Lovelace of Greene Co. Illinois       (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)   3. Re: New Cousin in Florida (Brondak@aol.com)   4. [PML] Kings Co., CA Lovelace tidbits (Greg Lovelace)   5. Let's get some chatter going! (Greg Lovelace)   6. Re: Let's get some chatter going! (Nancy Gooch)   7. Re: Thurs Jul 8, 2010 (spice3@juno.com)   8.  Let's get some chatter going! (Tom Henry)   9. Re: New Cousin in Florida (terrence White)   10. Re: Let's get some chatter going! (Margaret  Powell)   11. DNA discount (Betsy) To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to LOVELACE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to LOVELACE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Mom (a Lovelace, 1911-1989 ) from the Rutherford County group always told me that she had some Cherokee blood, but I was too young to ask how.....and I have never known for sure how it came about. Ginny Panama City Beach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmie Ryan" <jimmie.ryan@verizon.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida As my family did... many can be found in the 1885 Indian Census for the Chickasaw Nation; and my grandparents lived in Grady county most of their lives together (My great grandparents hid in the Canadian River bend on the Chickasaw Nation in the caves when they fled Arkansas after the Civil War). It is difficult to define Cherokee as they were in so many places in the south, especially north Alabama and western Tennessee, along with the Choctaw we see these tribes being forced westward with each newly arriving settler from the new United States. I would not put it pass any of our Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North Carolina and the tribes around Rutherford. Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brondak@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 7:26 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida I sent this to the e-mail address in the message, but also tried to send it to the list and it returned. I'm trying one more time. In a message dated 7/6/10 8:22:18 PM, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > So my question is if they were in the Chickasaw Nation, how could they > have been Cherokee? especially since I currently live in the Cherokee > nation and it so much farther north, it does not seem likely. I think > We should all be looking at Chickasaw records. > > My grandfather is Ed Loveless, g grandson of Barton of GA. He (my grandfather) married Vestes Meltabarger. Her father was 1/4 Cherokee and 3/4 German from TN. When they (her father and family) left TN, they spent a little bit of time in TX, then moved upward into Oklahoma. Before they finally settled in Cleveland County, right in the middle of the state, they lived in the Chickasaw nation south of us. The Chickasaws allowed people, other than their tribe, to live in their nation. They needed workers and that was part of the reason. They leased land and hired workers from outside their tribe, so that could be how your Cherokee folks lived among the Chickasaws. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Currently living in Kansas City, MO. There are a lot of  Lovelaces here and as far as I know, we are from LaGrange, Georgia and later mitigrated to Evansville, In. Are you aware of any Lovelaces from that region. The Georgia connection is as far as we know, looking sometime in the 1900s.  Is there any more information out there?  In LaGrange, Georgia, there is a street named Lovelace named after a John Lovelace. Just wondering who he is. ________________________________ From: "lovelace-request@rootsweb.com" <lovelace-request@rootsweb.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 2:00:56 AM Subject: LOVELACE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 172 Note: Forwarded message is attached. Today's Topics:   1. Re: Sarah Lovelace of Greene Co. Illinois       (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)   2. Re: Sarah Lovelace of Greene Co. Illinois       (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com)   3. Re: New Cousin in Florida (Brondak@aol.com)   4. [PML] Kings Co., CA Lovelace tidbits (Greg Lovelace)   5. Let's get some chatter going! (Greg Lovelace)   6. Re: Let's get some chatter going! (Nancy Gooch)   7. Re: Thurs Jul 8, 2010 (spice3@juno.com)   8.  Let's get some chatter going! (Tom Henry)   9. Re: New Cousin in Florida (terrence White)   10. Re: Let's get some chatter going! (Margaret  Powell)   11. DNA discount (Betsy) To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to LOVELACE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to LOVELACE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

Nancy from Atlanta, I know how you feel........while I can't help you I 'm in the same boat. Think I'm from the Maryland group too but just can't get earlier than our Thomas Loveless and 2nd wife Virginia Roy. Hang in there. Someone will come up with something. I'm mostly a reader but love all your comments. I get so much out of everyone else's comments. Margaret ---- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Gooch" <nlg123@comcast.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Let's get some chatter going! > > > Welcome to the new Lovelace/Loveless cousins.......I hope that one of you > is researching the Lovelace's of Lauderdale County, AL....as I am still > stuck on old George W. 's father.........I know I'm from the Maryland > group though so that is good, but I just can't provewho the father of > George W. Lovelace, born 1837 in Lauderdale County, AL. > > So help me out here folks........Was his name George also? Maybe, maybe > not. Please cousins, be from the Lauderdale County, Alabama Lovelace's and > have George W.'s birth record! > > Nancy Lovelace Gooch > > Atlanta, GA > > > > > > > > > > get some chatter going! > > All, > > We now have two new cuzzins to join us here this past week, and we've > been quiet as mice. So let's get some chatter going and show them > how friendly we are!!! > > I want to know one thing from our new cuzzin Greg Lovelace.... Where > are you from? Who is your family? Please don't say your family is > from Rutrherford Co., NC... I just don't think I could take it! > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2989 - Release Date: 07/08/10 > 02:36:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message