Here's the family cuz Gregg: Register Report for Lucinda Loveless; daughter of Samuel and Anna Byers Lovelace (sister to my Seaborn Lovless, and Lou Ann's Barton). Appears I still have lots to do with this file, most of the work was done by the Morrow family, who sent me photos of Seaborn Underwood and some other Morrow relatives. Hope this help with the discussion, I still wonder why this Lovelace family as living in Cherokee country... and in many ways followed the "removal" of the Indian population westward. Cuz Jimmie In Hot SoCal Generation 1 1. Lucinda Loveless-1[1, 2] was born in 1803 in Cherokee Tribal Lands, Rabun, Georgia Country[2]. She died in 1884 in Cherokee, NC, USA[2]. Notes for Lucinda Loveless: General Notes: Nickname: Lucy Per Lou Ann Loveless Murphy: Birth maybe Rutherford County, North Carolina (according to some census records; but, information on others differ). I suspect Rutherford County is probably correct. Lucinda married Joel Underwood it is from the Underwood Indian Application to the Dawes Commission that Samuel and Anna Byers Lovelace is confirmed. I had long believed that Barton's parents to be Samuel and Anna/Arna/Amy (as her name varied on census records). Lucy named her first son Seaborn, who we believe is another sibling of David Wilson's and Jimmie Ryan's line. Database: 1860 United States Federal Census February 1, 2005 11:17 AM Name: Lucinda Underwood Age in 1860: 57 Birthplace: North Carolina Home in 1860: Beaverdam, Cherokee, North Carolina Gender: Female Post Office: Beaver Mills Roll: M653_892 Page: 180 Year: 1860 Head: Lucinda Underwood Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1860 United States Federal Census [database online]. Provo, Utah: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2004. Original data: United States. 1860 United States Federal Census. M653, 1438 rolls. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington DC. Joel Underwood son of William Underwood and Elizabeth Ann Slaveless Bushyhead[1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6] was born in 1802 in Cherokee Tribe, Wilkes, NC, USA[2, 6]. He died in 1889 in Cherokee, NC, USA[2, 3, 6]. Notes for Joel Underwood: General Notes: In the 1850 Census there is an Andrew J. Underwood, b 1827 North Carolina - he is only three farms away - another son? another wife prior to 1832? Age is right - area is right. Joel Underwood and Lucinda Loveless were married in 1832 in Cherokee Tribe, Present Day Wilkes, NC, USA. They had the following children: 2. i. Seaborn Underwood[1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 7] was born on 07 Aug 1833 in Cherokee Tribe, Wilkes, NC, USA[2, 7]. He married Amy Caroline Veal on 11 Feb 1862 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 26 Aug 1916 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. ii. Sarah Evaline Underwood[1] was born in 1835 in Unaka, NC, USA. She died in 1907 in Monroe, TN, USA. Notes for Sarah Evaline Underwood: General Notes: 1860 United States Federal Census > North Carolina > Cherokee > Beaverdam Shown as born in Macon Co., North Carolina Joel Jackson Underwood[1] was born in 1837 in Cherokee Tribe, Tellico Plains, TN, USA. He died before 1908. iv. Lucinda Underwood[1] was born in Jan 1839 in Cherokee Tribe, Tellico Plains, TN, USA. She married William Larkin Mitchell on 06 Dec 1875 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died on 19 Oct 1921 in Monroe, TN, USA. v. Mary Polly Ann Underwood[1] was born in 1843 in Union, GA, USA. She married Levi Belton Duckett on 24 Sep 1870. She died on 27 Feb 1899 in Rafter, Monroe, TN, USA. James C Underwood[1] was born in 1844 in Union, GA, USA. He died in 1869. vii. Sophronia Underwood[1] was born in 1848 in Union, GA, USA. She married Thomas Pearson Veal on 16 Jan 1872 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died in 1885. Generation 2 2. Seaborn Underwood-2 (Lucinda-1)[1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 7] was born on 07 Aug 1833 in Cherokee Tribe, Wilkes, NC, USA[2, 7]. He died on 26 Aug 1916 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. Notes for Seaborn Underwood: General Notes: 1860 United States Federal Census, North Carolina, Cherokee, Beaverdam Shown as born in Macon, NC, USA Nickname: Cebe CENSUS: 1900 United States Federal Census, North Carolina, Monroe, Civil District 20. District 121 He states he is born Sep 1833 in Virginia Nancy A b Mar 1849 TN (Married at 29) Willie b Mar 1885 TN Daisy b Dec 1888 TN CENSUS: 1910 Census, Monroe, Tennessee CENSUS: Ceburn Underwood 80 M18 Nancy 60 2/2 (Wife) Jane Holcomb (Servant) Amy Caroline Veal daughter of Thomas Francis Veal and Nancy[1, 2, 3] was born on 07 Jul 1842 in Monroe, TN, USA[2]. She died in 1890 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. Seaborn Underwood and Amy Caroline Veal were married on 11 Feb 1862 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: i. Frank Underwood[2, 3] was born on 11 Jan 1863 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. He married Adaline Bearfield on 15 Aug 1886. Notes for Frank Underwood: General Notes: Nickname: Frank Joel Jackson Underwood[2] was born on 07 Sep 1864 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. He died before 1880 in Civil War. Susan Lucinda Underwood[2] was born on 11 Jun 1866 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. She died before 1880. iv. Nancy Lucinda Underwood[1, 2] was born on 18 Dec 1867 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. She died on 22 Apr 1931 in Etowah, McMinn, TN, USA. Mary C Underwood was born on 06 Sep 1868 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. Riley L Underwood was born on 16 Nov 1871 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. vii. Sarah Elizabeth Underwood[1, 2] was born on 06 Sep 1873 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. She married James Wilson Ramey Jr. in 1891 in McMinn County, Tennessee. She died on 01 Oct 1952 in Englewood, McMinn, TN, USA. viii. Ella Underwood was born in 1874 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. She married James C Vaughn in 1894 in McMinn, TN, USA. ix. Alice L Underwood[1, 2] was born on 09 Jun 1878 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. She married Robert Haywood Morrow in 1900 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. Martha Jane Underwood[1, 2] was born on 12 Apr 1880 in Cane Creek, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. xi. Ida L Underwood[1, 2, 8] was born on 04 Oct 1883 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2, 8]. She married John F Davis on 11 Aug 1900. She died on 19 Jun 1958 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. xii. Wiley B Underwood[2] was born on 21 May 1885 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 11 Mar 1955 in Valleytown, Cherokee, NC, USA. xiii. Daisy Lowdine Underwood was born on 22 Dec 1888 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. She married Marcell E Malone on 07 Apr 1907 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died on 28 Oct 1939 in McMinn, TN, USA[2]. Nancy A Wasebrean[1] was born in Mar 1850 in TN, USA[2]. She died in Monroe, TN, USA[2, 3]. Seaborn Underwood and Nancy A Wasebrean were married on 02 Feb 1892 in Monroe, TN, USA[3]. They had the following children: i. Lillie Self was born in Apr 1885 in Greenville, Greene, TN, USA. Clara Self was born in Aug 1887 in Greenville, Greene, TN, USA. Lucinda Underwood-2 (Lucinda-1)[1] was born in Jan 1839 in Cherokee Tribe, Tellico Plains, TN, USA. She died on 19 Oct 1921 in Monroe, TN, USA. William Larkin Mitchell[1] was born in Aug 1845 in Georgia. Notes for William Larkin Mitchell: General Notes: CENSUS: 1880 Census Monroe County, Tennessee Larkin Mitchell 36 Lucinda 40 Henry 9 William 6 Florence 3 Lizzie 1 CENSUS: 1900 Census Monroe County, Tennessee Larkin Mitchell Aug 1845 Lucinda Jan 1839 M25 4/4 Carrintha Nov 1880 John May 1883 William Larkin Mitchell and Lucinda Underwood were married on 06 Dec 1875 in Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: i. Florence Jane Mitchell was born on 29 Sep 1876. ii. Lizzie Mitchell was born in 1879 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died between 1904-1910 in Monroe, TN, USA. Carrentha Mitchell was born on 11 Nov 1880 in Monroe, TN, USA. She married Charlie Lynn in 1902 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died on 04 May 1956. Notes for Carrentha Mitchell: General Notes: DEATH: Madisonville Democrat, Thursday, May 10, 1956: DEATH: "Corentha Mitchell, 76, of Tellico Plains, died Friday morning at her home. Survivors include a sister, Mrs. Florence Smith of Tellico Plains, and several nieces and nephews. Funeral services and burial occurred Sunday afternoon at Mt. Isabel Baptist Church." iv. John R Mitchell was born on 29 May 1884 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. He married Belle M. Tucker on 02 Dec 1910 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 21 Nov 1952 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Mary Polly Ann Underwood-2 (Lucinda-1)[1] was born in 1843 in Union, GA, USA. She died on 27 Feb 1899 in Rafter, Monroe, TN, USA. Levi Belton Duckett was born in Jan 1848 in Gilmer Co., Georgia. He died in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Levi Belton Duckett and Mary Polly Ann Underwood were married on 24 Sep 1870. They had the following children: i. Adolphus Marion Duckett was born on 11 Aug 1871 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. He married Fannie Mitchell in 1894 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 20 Nov 1953 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. ii. Merida Hicks Duckett was born on 11 Mar 1873 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. He married Ada LNU in 1897 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 01 Oct 1950 in Sweetwater, Monroe County, Tennessee. Joshua Duckett was born on 05 Feb 1875 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 11 Mar 1920 in Mount Vernon, Monroe County, Tennessee. iv. Sarah E. Duckett was born in May 1876 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. She married Steve A. Belcher on 20 Feb 1898 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. She died in 1938 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Hester Duckett was born in 1877 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. She died in 1877 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Andrew Duckett was born in 1881 in Rafter, Monroe County, Tennessee. Lillie Duckett was born on 04 May 1883 in Rafter, Monroe County, Tennessee. She died on 21 Jul 1935 in Sweetwater, Monroe County, Tennessee. Notes for Lillie Duckett: General Notes: DEATH: Madisonville Democrat, Wednesday, November 27, 1935, Page 3: DEATH: "Mincey gets Judgment for $4,000.00---In a $25,000 damage suit tried on Monday, Tom Mincey was awarded $4,000 by a jury for the death of his wife, Mrs. Lillie Mincey, who was killed by a C. & C. Beverage truck last July 18. The truck, driven by James Duncan, turned over and struck Mrs. Mincey as she walked along the highway with her son, Joe Mitchell. Mitchell was also injured." Callie Jane Duckett was born on 04 Feb 1886 in Rafter, Monroe County, Tennessee. She married John West Kirkland on 07 Sep 1902 in Rafter, Monroe County, Tennessee. She died on 06 Aug 1947 in Rafter, Monroe County, Tennessee. Sophronia Underwood-2 (Lucinda-1)[1] was born in 1848 in Union, GA, USA. She died in 1885. Thomas Pearson Veal[1] was born in 1856 in Monroe, TN, USA. Thomas Pearson Veal and Sophronia Underwood were married on 16 Jan 1872 in Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: Margaret Veal[1] was born in 1872 in Monroe, TN, USA. ii. Nathaniel James Veal was born on 22 Mar 1873. He died on 12 Dec 1958. iii. Lucinda Ann Veal[1] was born on 10 Sep 1876 in Monroe, TN, USA. She married William Jefferson Tallent on 25 Dec 1895 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died on 04 Jun 1933 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. William Riley Veal[1] was born on 15 Jun 1879 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 05 May 1955 in Loudon County, Tennessee. Generation 3 6. Nancy Lucinda Underwood-3 (Seaborn-2, Lucinda-1)[1, 2] was born on 18 Dec 1867 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. She died on 22 Apr 1931 in Etowah, McMinn, TN, USA. Notes for Nancy Lucinda Underwood: General Notes: Nickname: Duskie Henry R. Watts was born in 1870 in TN, USA. He died after 1930 in Etowah, McMinn Co., Tennessee. Henry R. Watts and Nancy Lucinda Underwood married. They had the following children: Minnie Grace Watts. Albert Henry Watts. William Guinn Watts was born on 03 Dec 1896 in TN, USA. He died on 13 Nov 1920 in McMinn County, Tennessee. Carl Glenn Watts was born on 25 Feb 1898 in TN, USA. He died on 10 Feb 1977 in Polk County, Tennessee. Sebe Carson Watts was born on 25 Sep 1899 in TN, USA. He died on 17 Sep 1958 in McMinn County, Tennessee. Asenitha Elizabeth Watts was born on 26 Oct 1901 in TN, USA. She married Darriel Rule on 07 Dec 1921 in TN, USA. She died on 06 Jul 1973 in TN, USA. Notes for Asenitha Elizabeth Watts: General Notes: Nickname:<NICK> Sena Sarah Elizabeth Underwood-3 (Seaborn-2, Lucinda-1)[1, 2] was born on 06 Sep 1873 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. She died on 01 Oct 1952 in Englewood, McMinn, TN, USA. James Wilson Ramey Jr. was born on 12 May 1868 in TN, USA. He died on 11 Jul 1952 in Athens, McMinn County, Tennessee. Notes for James Wilson Ramey Jr.: General Notes: James Wilson Ramey Jr. and Sarah Elizabeth Underwood were married in 1891 in McMinn County, Tennessee. They had the following children: Nana Bell Ramey. Lucy Ramey. Stella Ramey was born in Apr 1893 in McMinn County, Tennessee. Fred S. Ramey was born on 15 Apr 1895 in McMinn County, Tennessee. He married Elizabeth Bessie Gregory in 1922 in TN, USA. He died in May 1969 in Englewood, McMinn County, Tennessee. James Dewey Ramey was born on 25 Jun 1897 in Englewood, McMinn County, Tennessee. He married Mary Mamie Price on 13 Dec 1919 in Englewood, McMinn County, Tennessee. He died on 20 Dec 1981 in San Andreas, California. Frank Ramey was born on 10 Mar 1903 in McMinn County, Tennessee. He died in Jan 1981 in Englewood, McMinn County, Tennessee. Ella Underwood-3 (Seaborn-2, Lucinda-1) was born in 1874 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. Notes for Ella Underwood: General Notes: Nickname:<NICK> Ella James C Vaughn son of David C. Vaughn and Martha[9] was born in Oct 1873 in McMinn, TN, USA. Notes for James C Vaughn: General Notes: Subject: [jacksongenealogy] Charles Vaughn and wife Mary Money. Native Blood! Date: 4/6/2006 10:21:30 A.M. Pacific Standard Time From: rebelredsun@yahoo.com Reply To: jacksongenealogy@yahoogroups.com Native American Vaughn/Vaughan family Charles Vaughan born 1827 Jackson County Alabama, died 1860 (Murdered) Franklin County TN. Charles was married to Mary Money. He is my 4th Great Grand Father and there is overwhelming evidence that there was Native American Blood in this family. I have photos of Charles's daughter Louisa E Vaughn and her daughter Lilly Pearl Parton Smith. They most certainly had Native Blood, the question, is where did it come from. I almost know for a fact that it did not come from the Money side. Mary Money is my 4th Great Grandmother as well as an aunt, her sister Louisa Money was married to another 4th Great Grandfather Sherrod Williams son of Harden Williams he was also murdered in Franklin County in 1860. Sherrod was indeed ½ Cherokee Indian I have substantial documentation proving that. It has been speculated that Charles's Mother was Milly Vaughan. I believe that it could have been his mother or likely his grandmother. I have also speculated that Charles's father may have been Eldridge Vaughn who married Polly Elliott (1/4 Cherokee). The reason why is Eldridge's children in 1840 have been accounted for except one son age 10-15. Eldridge's children that were minors were named on the 1854 Act of Congress Roll, Eldridge himself had been dead a number of years before this roll. It DID not name Charles as a son, but it also DID NOT name his daughter Milly on the roll either. Charles was already married and Milly was most probably married as well. Eldridge is listed on the Trail of Tears roll and numerous affidavits claim he was indeed Cherokee himself which explains why he was listed on the Trail of Tears roll. My research over the years seems to indicated that they did NOT list white people on this Roll or at least I can't find no white people on it. So it appears the Vaughn's had Native Blood themselves and do believe that Eldridge's Mother was Milly Vaughn. Milly was first listed on the Franklin County TN 1830 census as the head of her household along with 12 children. She was also listed as the head of her households on the 1840 and 1850 censuses as well. I have found a document linking Elizabeth Vaughn Sisk who married Daniel Sisk to Milly Vaughn and a William Vaughn, the document was interviews of Civil War soldiers. Milly and William was her mother and father. On the 1840 Jackson County census Eldridge is living beside Daniel Sisk. I believe they were brother and sister. I have read some posts on this website that claims that Austin Vaughn and Milly were husband and wife. Well the evidence proves otherwise. The Eldridge thing is just a theory but I still want to prove who Charles's father and possible mother were. James C Vaughn and Ella Underwood were married in 1894 in McMinn, TN, USA. They had the following children: Addie L Vaughn was born in Oct 1889 in McMinn, TN, USA. Charles Vaughn[10] was born in May 1895 in McMinn, TN, USA. Martha C Vaughn was born in Jul 1898 in McMinn, TN, USA. Corrie Vaughn was born in 1902 in Monroe, TN, USA. Willis Vaughn was born in 1905 in Monroe, TN, USA. Idolia Vaughn was born in 1907 in Monroe, TN, USA. Fletcher Vaughn was born in Jul 1909 in Monroe, TN, USA. Alice L Underwood-3 (Seaborn-2, Lucinda-1)[1, 2] was born on 09 Jun 1878 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. Notes for Alice L Underwood: General Notes: U.S. Census > 1900 United States Federal Census > Tennessee > McMinn > Civil District 6 > District 1900 Census McMinn County, Tennessee - Living with sister Elvira (Ella) Underwood Vaughn and her husband James C Vaughn. Robert Haywood Morrow son of Isaac Harrison Morrow and Mary Louisa Carver was born on 06 Jun 1882 in Haywood, NC, USA. Notes for Robert Haywood Morrow: General Notes: Joan Salomone has sent you a census image for Isaac H Morrow Mon 4/17/2006 4:06 AM - Ancestry.com [newsletter@reply.myfamilyinc.com] I found this historical document that contains information about Isaac H Morrow. I think you will find this very interesting. Just click on the link below. Hi Jim, This is my GG Grandfather Isaac Harrison Morrow in the 1960 census. It was so nice hearing from you. Yes, we are definitely related! His father's name is actually Albert Crayton and his mother's name is Mary. Do you know what year Robert died? I cannot find it. I knew him and Alice lived in Tennessee with their children. But the census stops in 1930. My father Haywood Morrow was the grandson of Isaac. Isaac was married to Lou Carver or Louisa Carver. Robert was their oldest child, then there was Martha, William Powell with whom my dad was very close to. I have some pix of william if you would like to have them. Also of Louisa in 1920 with her son John Jackson Morrow my father's father along with my aunt and Uncle. Nelson and Thelma Morrow. I will send them to you. cuz Joanie Robert Haywood Morrow and Alice L Underwood were married in 1900 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. They had the following children: Carl Morrow was born in 1902 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. Sarah Lou Morrow was born in 1904 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. Daisy Morrow was born in 1906 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. Theodore Morrow was born in 1908 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. Ida L Underwood-3 (Seaborn-2, Lucinda-1)[1, 2, 8] was born on 04 Oct 1883 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2, 8]. She died on 19 Jun 1958 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. John F Davis son of John Marshall Davis and Emily Bell Dougherty[1, 3, 8, 11, 12] was born on 11 Oct 1879 in McMinn, TN, USA. He died on 17 Nov 1958 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. John F Davis and Ida L Underwood were married on 11 Aug 1900. They had the following children: Claude Lee Davis[1, 8] was born on 08 Feb 1908 in Marion, IL, USA[8]. He married Leatha Mae Bay on 09 Sep 1932 in Wichita, Sedgwick, KS, USA. He died on 10 Mar 1973 in Haysville, Sedgwick, KS, USA[8]. Zella F Davis[8] was born in 1911 in Marion, IL, USA[8]. Ruby O Davis[3, 8] was born in 1913 in Wayne, TN, USA[3, 8]. Wiley B Underwood-3 (Seaborn-2, Lucinda-1)[2] was born on 21 May 1885 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 11 Mar 1955 in Valleytown, Cherokee, NC, USA. Ruth Nettie Smith. Wiley B Underwood and Ruth Nettie Smith married. They had the following children: Corbin W. Underwood was born on 29 Nov 1920 in Graham, NC, USA. He died on 15 Nov 1983 in Robbinsville, Graham, NC, USA. Daisy Lowdine Underwood-3 (Seaborn-2, Lucinda-1) was born on 22 Dec 1888 in Civil District 20, Monroe, TN, USA[2]. She died on 28 Oct 1939 in McMinn, TN, USA[2]. Marcell E Malone son of Joseph Malone and Elviria Stephens was born on 11 Aug 1884 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 06 Feb 1955 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. Marcell E Malone and Daisy Lowdine Underwood were married on 07 Apr 1907 in Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: William Rankin Malone was born on 11 Mar 1907 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 07 Feb 1981 in Harriman, Roane, TN, USA. Troy Ersken Malone was born on 20 Oct 1908 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 29 Nov 1908 in Monroe, TN, USA. Ernest Franklin Malone was born on 10 Oct 1909 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 23 Oct 1912 in Monroe, TN, USA. Bertha Ree Malone was born on 26 Jan 1912 in McMinn, TN, USA. She married Lafayette Henry Robinson on 04 Jul 1934 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died on 29 Mar 1989 in Madeira, CA, USA. Ada Marie Malone was born on 01 Apr 1915 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. She died on 11 Nov 2000 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. Myrtle Irene Malone was born on 24 May 1916 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. She died on Feb 1974 in Hemet, CA, USA. Hobert Malone was born on 02 May 1918 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. He died on 20 Apr 1935 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. Cecil Argana Malone was born on 06 Jul 1920 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. She died on Nov 2003 in Englewood, CA, USA. Raymond Joe Malone was born on 27 Apr 1922 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. He died on May 1990 in Blount, TN, USA. Ivy Lavada Malone was born on 27 Jun 1924 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. She died on Sep 1993 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. Pascal Lee Malone was born on 02 Apr 1927 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. He died on 08 Jul 1999 in Athens, McMinn, TN, USA. Florence Jane Mitchell-3 (Lucinda-2, Lucinda-1) was born on 29 Sep 1876. Nathaniel James Veal son of Thomas Pearson Veal and Sophronia Underwood was born on 22 Mar 1873. He died on 12 Dec 1958. Nathaniel James Veal and Florence Jane Mitchell married. They had the following children: Clarissa Veal. Greeley Veal. Sam Veal. Roy Veal. Lloyd Veal. Dewey Veal. Ella Veal. Stella Veal. Sena Veal. Luther William Veal was born on 04 Feb 1897 in TN, USA. He died on 09 Feb 1946 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Notes for Luther William Veal: General Notes: 1920 Census shows Luther Veal in US Military Prison, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas Ernest Veal was born in Feb 1900 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 05 Apr 1962 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Notes for Ernest Veal: General Notes: DEATH: Madisonville Democrat, Thursday, April 5, 1962, Page 1: DEATH: "Tellicoan Dies of Burns Received In Fire at Home---Funeral services will be held 2p.m. tomorrow (Friday) at the Mount Isabella Baptist Church for a 62-year-old Tellico Plains man who was critically burned at 4 a.m. Tuesday when kerosene exploded as he was starting a fire in a stove. DEATH: Burial will follow in the church cemetery. Revs. Kenneth Wilson and Woodrow Butler will officiate. DEATH: Ernest Veal, a widower who lived alone about two and a half miles from Tellico, was taken to Sweetwater Hospital Tuesday after running to a neighbor's home with his clothing afire. He died at 5:30 a.m. Wednesday. DEATH: Beecher Miller, coroner and ambulance driver who attended Mr. Veal, said the elderly resident threw the kerosene inadvertently on live coals. He said Mr. Veal's clothing was almost burned away. DEATH: Survivors include a step-daughter, Mrs. Charles Wakefield; step-sons, Claude Giles of Chattanooga, Boze Giles of Dayton, Richard Giles of Etowah and Johnny Giles of Daisy; sisters, Mrs. Fletcher Everhart, Mrs. Sena Duckett of Athens; four brothers, Greeley of Tellico Plains, Sam, Roy and Lloyd of Athens." Lizzie Mitchell-3 (Lucinda-2, Lucinda-1) was born in 1879 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died between 1904-1910 in Monroe, TN, USA. Columbus Dawson was born in 1884 in TN, USA. Columbus Dawson and Lizzie Mitchell married. They had the following children: Horace Dawson. Albert L. Dawson. John R Mitchell-3 (Lucinda-2, Lucinda-1) was born on 29 May 1884 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 21 Nov 1952 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Notes for John R Mitchell: General Notes: DEATH: Madisonville Democrat, Thursday, November 27, 1952, Page 1: DEATH: "J.R. Mitchell Dies At Tellico Rt. 2 Home---John R. Mitchell, 70, died on Friday at his home on Tellico Plains Route 2. DEATH: Surviving are his wife; a daughter, Mrs. George Thomas, Tellico Plains; three sons, Oscar and Arnold of Tellico Plains and Fred of Maryville, and three grandchildren. DEATH: Funeral services were held Tuesday afternoon at the Druid Hills Baptist Church, Rev. Porter Moses and Reverend Millsaps officiating. Burial was in the church cemetery." Belle M. Tucker was born in 1890 in TN, USA. John R Mitchell and Belle M. Tucker were married on 02 Dec 1910 in Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: Fred E Mitchell. Della Mitchell. Oscar G Mitchell was born on 27 Mar 1914 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 20 Jan 1996 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Arnold Mitchell was born on 18 Mar 1918 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 07 Jun 2003 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Martha E. LNU. John R Mitchell and Martha E. LNU married. They had no children. Adolphus Marion Duckett-3 (Mary Polly Ann-2, Lucinda-1) was born on 11 Aug 1871 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 20 Nov 1953 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Fannie Mitchell was born in May 1880 in Monroe, TN, USA. Adolphus Marion Duckett and Fannie Mitchell were married in 1894 in Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: i. Carrie Duckett. Birdie Duckett. Sallie Duckett was born in Mar 1894 in Monroe, TN, USA. Sarah L Miller. Adolphus Marion Duckett and Sarah L Miller were married on 14 May 1904 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: Mary Duckett. Viola Duckett. Merida Hicks Duckett-3 (Mary Polly Ann-2, Lucinda-1) was born on 11 Mar 1873 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 01 Oct 1950 in Sweetwater, Monroe County, Tennessee. Ada LNU. Merida Hicks Duckett and Ada LNU were married in 1897 in Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: William Duckett. Daughter Duckett. Dollar Duckett. Jane Duckett. Melvin Duckett. Calvin Duckett. John W. Duckett was born in 1892 in Monroe, TN, USA. Josie Goodman was born in 1892 in TN, USA. Merida Hicks Duckett and Josie Goodman were married in Monroe, TN, USA. They had no children. Sarah E. Duckett-3 (Mary Polly Ann-2, Lucinda-1) was born in May 1876 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. She died in 1938 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Steve A. Belcher was born in Mar 1876 in TN, USA. Steve A. Belcher and Sarah E. Duckett were married on 20 Feb 1898 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: Willard Belcher. Oscar Belcher. Nathaniel James Veal-3 (Sophronia-2, Lucinda-1) was born on 22 Mar 1873. He died on 12 Dec 1958. Florence Jane Mitchell daughter of William Larkin Mitchell and Lucinda Underwood was born on 29 Sep 1876. Nathaniel James Veal and Florence Jane Mitchell married. They had the following children: Clarissa Veal. Greeley Veal. Sam Veal. Roy Veal. Lloyd Veal. Dewey Veal. Ella Veal. Stella Veal. Sena Veal. Luther William Veal was born on 04 Feb 1897 in TN, USA. He died on 09 Feb 1946 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Notes for Luther William Veal: General Notes: 1920 Census shows Luther Veal in US Military Prison, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas Ernest Veal was born in Feb 1900 in Monroe, TN, USA. He died on 05 Apr 1962 in Tellico Plains, Monroe, TN, USA. Notes for Ernest Veal: General Notes: DEATH: Madisonville Democrat, Thursday, April 5, 1962, Page 1: DEATH: "Tellicoan Dies Of Burns Received In Fire At Home---Funeral services will be held 2p.m. tomorrow (Friday) at the Mount Isabella Baptist Church for a 62-year-old Tellico Plains man who was critically burned at 4 a.m. Tuesday when kerosene exploded as he was starting a fire in a stove. DEATH: Burial will follow in the church cemetery. Revs. Kenneth Wilson and Woodrow Butler will officiate. DEATH: Ernest Veal, a widower who lived alone about two and a half miles from Tellico, was taken to Sweetwater Hospital Tuesday after running to a neighbor's home with his clothing afire. He died at 5:30 a.m. Wednesday. DEATH: Beecher Miller, coroner and ambulance driver who attended Mr. Veal, said the elderly resident threw the kerosene inadvertently on live coals. He said Mr. Veal's clothing was almost burned away. DEATH: Survivors include a step-daughter, Mrs. Charles Wakefield; step-sons, Claude Giles of Chattanooga, BozeGiles of Dayton, Richard Giles of Etowah and Johnny Giles of Daisy; sisters, Mrs. Fletcher Everhart, Mrs. Sena Duckett of Athens; four brothers, Greeley of Tellico Plains, Sam, Roy and Lloyd of Athens." Lucinda Ann Veal-3 (Sophronia-2, Lucinda-1)[1] was born on 10 Sep 1876 in Monroe, TN, USA. She died on 04 Jun 1933 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. Notes for Lucinda Ann Veal: General Notes: Nickname:<NICK> Lucy William Jefferson Tallent was born on 11 Sep 1875 in Madisonville, Monroe County, Tennessee. He died on 01 Oct 1957 in Lafayette, Walker County, Georgia. William Jefferson Tallent and Lucinda Ann Veal were married on 25 Dec 1895 in Monroe, TN, USA. They had the following children: Mattie Tallent was born on 18 Apr 1896 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. She died in Aug 1988 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. Flora Elizabeth Tallent was born on 16 Apr 1898 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. She died on 07 Nov 1995 in Gastonia, North Carolina. William Leo Tallent was born on 01 Jun 1901 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. He died on 09 Dec 1980 in Etowah, McMinn Co., Tennessee. Pearl Mae Tallent was born on 11 Aug 1904 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. She married Edgar Cloud on 03 Nov 1923 in Knox County, Tennessee. She died on 20 Jul 1979 in Hardin County, Kentucky. Roy H. Tallent was born on 04 Feb 1907 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. He died on 07 Mar 1925 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. Cora Lucille Tallent was born on 24 Dec 1907 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. She died on 05 Sep 1922 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. Janie Reba Tallent was born on 14 Jun 1911 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. She died in Sep 1990 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. Notes for Janie Reba Tallent: General Notes: Nickname:<NICK> Jenny Edith Louise Tallent was born on 26 Oct 1913 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. She died on 22 Feb 2002 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. Woodrow Wilson Tallent was born on 09 Jun 1915 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. He died on 13 Dec 1995 in Mascot, Tennessee. Notes for Woodrow Wilson Tallent: General Notes: Nickname:<NICK> Woody Tallent was born on 01 Jul 1917 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. He died on 01 Jul 1917 in Lenoir City, Loudon, TN, USA. Sources 1. GEDCOM File : ~ATB311.ged, 10 Aug 2003. 2. Ancestry.com, OneWorldTree (Provo, UT, USA, The Generations Network, Inc.), www.ancestry.com, Database online. Record for Seaborn Underwood. 3. OneWorldTree, www.ancestry.com, Ancestry.com. One World Tree (sm) [database online]. Provo, UT: MyFamily.com, Inc. Ancestry.com, 1850 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005), www.ancestry.com, Ancestry.com. 1850 United States Federal Census [database online]. Provo, Utah: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2005. Original data: United States. 1850 United States Federal Census. M432, 1009 rolls. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C. Not Stated, Cherokee, North Carolina, roll M432_625, page 23, image 48. 4. Ancestry.com and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1880 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005), www.ancestry.com, 1880 U.S. Census Index provided by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints© Copyright 1999 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. All use is subject to the limited use license and other terms and conditions applicable to this site. District 20, Monroe, Tennessee, ED 212, roll T9_1272, page 157.3000, image. 5. Ancestry.com, OneWorldTree (Provo, UT, USA, The Generations Network, Inc.), www.ancestry.com, Database online. Record for William Underwood. 6. Ancestry.com, 1850 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA, The Generations Network, Inc., 2005), www.ancestry.com, Database online. , Cherokee, North Carolina, roll M432_625, page 23, image 48. Record for Seaborn Underwood. 7. Ancestry.com, OneWorldTree (Provo, UT, USA, The Generations Network, Inc.), www.ancestry.com, Database online. Record for John F Davis. Ancestry.com, 1910 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006), www.ancestry.com, Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2004. Indexed by ProQuest from microfilmed schedules of the 1910 U.S. Federal Decennial Census. Data imaged from National Archives and Records 8. Administration. 1910 Federal Population Census. T624, 1,784 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. 8-Dist, Monroe, Tennessee, ED 146, roll 1514, part 1, page 69A. 9. Ancestry.com, 1900 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2004), www.ancestry.com, Ancestry.com. 1900 U.S. Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2004. Original data: United States. 1900 United States Federal Census. T623, 1854 rolls. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C. McMinn, Tennessee, ED 80, roll T623 1585, page 9A. 10. Ancestry.com, 1930 United States Federal Census (Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2002), www.ancestry.com, Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001-. Indexed by Ancestry.com from microfilmed schedules of the 1930 U.S. Federal Decennial Census. Data imaged from National Archives and Records Administration. Fifteenth Census of the United States, 1930. T626, 2,667 rolls. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C. Harriman, Roane, Tennessee, ED 2, roll 2269, page , image 625.0. Ancestry.com, OneWorldTree (Provo, UT, USA, The Generations Network, Inc.), www.ancestry.com, Database online. Record for John Marshall Davis. -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Greg Lovelace Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:12 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] Lucinda /Lucy At 11:34 AM 7/16/2010,Lou Ann wrote: >Then Barton's sister Lucinda married Joel Underwood Oh, my! Have I missed this all these years? Barton's sister was named Lucinda??? Geez... Could it be that she was named after her grandmother Lucy Watson Lovelace? This lends more credence to my idea that Lucy Green of Rutherford Co., NC, wife of Lewis Green, was the daughter of Benjamin (son of ol' Barton and uncle to Barton of GA) and Nancy Lovelace. Still trying to find evidence to back up my belief that Lewis and Nancy were siblings. I know from the church records that Lucy was asked to leave the fellowship of Walls Baptist Church in Rutherford Co. The reason was that their sister church, Sandy Run Baptist, had already booted Lewis and Lucy from the church because they were uncle and niece as well as husband and wife, and that Sandy Run was upset when Lucy was accepted into the fellowship at Walls. Lucy's father (that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!) Benjamin was a charter member of Walls, so (and this came from Cuzzin Doug Lovelace as conjecture) instead of booting her outright as they did with normal folk who ran askew of their rules, they politely asked her to withdraw from the church, which she did, and that settled the matter between Walls and Sandy Run. One interesting side note to this... Lewis Green is mentioned many times in the minute books of Walls. He was always contributing to the church when they needed a little cash to, say, buy blank books for the minutes or collect for the pastor's salary, but he was never mentioned as "brother"... he was always called "a friend". Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3009 - Release Date: 07/16/10 02:35:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found Thomas Loveless in the 1896 Dawes rolls under Choctaw case #60. Sarah Loveless is also listed as a founding ancester for the Wayandot nation.She was kidnapped with 8 other Loveless' from Martin's Fort by French allied Shawnee and brutally marched to Canada on foot during the French/Indian war.Sarah was adopted by the Wayandot and after her rescue chose to stay with the tribe.She was given a tract of land in Ky.at a place then called "negroe's point" Do not know which "Thomas" this is,though. --- On Fri, 7/16/10, Brondak@aol.com <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: From: Brondak@aol.com <Brondak@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 11:34 AM Actually in   our family (Barton of GA and kids) there are more than one place where Cherokee blood comes in.   Like Anne said, in Abner's family there is the Townsend claim. I've talked with GA historians who do believe Anna Townsend was part Indian, although the "chief" claim is probably not accurate.   There are some interesting "family lore" type stories about how the Indian came about, but nothing has ever been proven because like Anne said there are no rolls to back it up. Then Barton's sister Lucinda married Joel Underwood of Cherokee descent.    This bloodline has been proven. Then, there's my grandfather who told me he had a Cherokee grandfather.    That would not be through the Loveless line, however.   I think it had to come from his mother who definitely did have an Indian look.   Again, no proof yet. And there may be more that I'm not aware of. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Actually in our family (Barton of GA and kids) there are more than one place where Cherokee blood comes in. Like Anne said, in Abner's family there is the Townsend claim. I've talked with GA historians who do believe Anna Townsend was part Indian, although the "chief" claim is probably not accurate. There are some interesting "family lore" type stories about how the Indian came about, but nothing has ever been proven because like Anne said there are no rolls to back it up. Then Barton's sister Lucinda married Joel Underwood of Cherokee descent. This bloodline has been proven. Then, there's my grandfather who told me he had a Cherokee grandfather. That would not be through the Loveless line, however. I think it had to come from his mother who definitely did have an Indian look. Again, no proof yet. And there may be more that I'm not aware of. Lou Ann

Jane: I don't know your line, but, I was wandering through the Dawes Commission Index that Greg mentioned in his email yesterday and there is a Merinda J. Lovelace mentioned (case number 4533) .... Merinda - Melinda that is pretty close... I also have heard that my NC/SC Lovelace connections had Cherokee blood. Bob Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: <Treenutty@aol.com> To: <Lovelace-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:47 AM Subject: [LL] Malinda Loveless Cherokee > My Grandmother Malinda Loveless, daughter of Thomas R. Loveless was said > to > be Cherokee. I have a picture of her and she sure looks like she would > be. My Dad thought he was 1/8 Cherokee so I always thought I was 1/16. > Not > a SINGLE THING to back it up though. > Jane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

WOW.....thanks for all this wonderful recent contact. I love reading all your notes back and forth. Some of you on the list are so well informed. It's such a pleasure to hear your notes. Thanks Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lovelace" <greglovelace@comcast.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > All, > > As far as I know, none of my line has any Cherokee blood. They were > in Spartanburg Co., SC in the early 1800s before moving up to > Rutherford Co., NC in the 1810s. There is always the possibility > that there was some intermarriage with Cherokees, but I have no > direct evidence of it. I do know that in the early 1900s, the > federal government, in an attempt to make amends for the uprooting of > the Eastern Cherokees, formed a commission, the Dawes Commission, to > investigate claims of Cherokee ancestry and determine if any > reparations were due to the descendants of those forced to leave > their ancestral homelands and move to join the Western Cherokees on > the reservation in Oklahoma. Many people, in an effort to get in on > the government gravy train, tried to claim Cherokee ancestry. Some > were successful, some were not. I do know that some of the > descendants of Barton of GA applied to the Dawes Commission, but I > think they were claiming ancestry through Barton's wife Ibby. Lou > Ann and Anne Haneghan can set me straight on that if I'm wrong. So > many of the claims of Cherokee ancestry may be traced back to the > possibility of getting a share of the reparations offered by the > government. > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > At 12:35 PM 7/15/2010, you wrote: >>Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is >>noted in our family oral history as being Cherokee. I have never >>found a document to prove it, though the few photographs we have of >>her she does look as though she might indeed have been. >> >>I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from >>her mother, Ann Knott. >> >>Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of >>Cherokee? Greg #1??? > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 > 22:26:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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My Grandmother Malinda Loveless, daughter of Thomas R. Loveless was said to be Cherokee. I have a picture of her and she sure looks like she would be. My Dad thought he was 1/8 Cherokee so I always thought I was 1/16. Not a SINGLE THING to back it up though. Jane

Jane...your native blood is always in your heart.You know that you can feel it. That's all that matters! --- On Fri, 7/16/10, Treenutty@aol.com <Treenutty@aol.com> wrote: From: Treenutty@aol.com <Treenutty@aol.com> Subject: [LL] Malinda Loveless Cherokee To: Lovelace-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 12:47 AM My Grandmother Malinda Loveless, daughter of Thomas R. Loveless was said to be Cherokee.  I have a picture of her and she sure looks like she would  be.  My Dad thought he was 1/8 Cherokee so I always thought I was  1/16.  Not a SINGLE THING to back it up though. Jane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The claim of Cherokee blood came from Nancy Jane Townsend Loveless who married Abner Powell Loveless. Nancy Jane was the daughter of Edward "Ned" Townsend and Anna Taylor Townsend. Anna was supposedly the daughter of Rutha and "Chief" Taylor. Abner Powell Loveless was the son of Barton and Isabelle Johnson Loveless. There were many Indian claims filed, but the descendants could not prove their ancestry. The reason given was the ancestors were never enrolled on any of the Cherokee Indian Rolls. Edward and Anna are buried at Tate, GA. If anyone is interested in any other information that I have, you may reply at luskad@bellsouth.net. Ann

I had checked the Dawes lists awhile back, and saw a few Lovelace listed (you can find the records now on footnote.com) According to Mollie's grandson, she was very anti-Dawes and would get angry whenever it was mentioned. -SB > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:34:49 -0400 > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > From: greglovelace@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > All, > > As far as I know, none of my line has any Cherokee blood. They were > in Spartanburg Co., SC in the early 1800s before moving up to > Rutherford Co., NC in the 1810s. There is always the possibility > that there was some intermarriage with Cherokees, but I have no > direct evidence of it. I do know that in the early 1900s, the > federal government, in an attempt to make amends for the uprooting of > the Eastern Cherokees, formed a commission, the Dawes Commission, to > investigate claims of Cherokee ancestry and determine if any > reparations were due to the descendants of those forced to leave > their ancestral homelands and move to join the Western Cherokees on > the reservation in Oklahoma. Many people, in an effort to get in on > the government gravy train, tried to claim Cherokee ancestry. Some > were successful, some were not. I do know that some of the > descendants of Barton of GA applied to the Dawes Commission, but I > think they were claiming ancestry through Barton's wife Ibby. Lou > Ann and Anne Haneghan can set me straight on that if I'm wrong. So > many of the claims of Cherokee ancestry may be traced back to the > possibility of getting a share of the reparations offered by the government. > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > At 12:35 PM 7/15/2010, you wrote: > >Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is > >noted in our family oral history as being Cherokee. I have never > >found a document to prove it, though the few photographs we have of > >her she does look as though she might indeed have been. > > > >I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from > >her mother, Ann Knott. > > > >Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of > >Cherokee? Greg #1??? > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 22:26:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

My LoveLess line goes back to Pulaski Co. Ky. since 1776,when it was all Virginia. It was always rumored that we had Native blood,but nobody dared to admit it due to persecution and fear.This was then the stronghold of the mighty Thunderbolt Cherokee People.It it rumored that they fell after a massacre at Ywahoo Falls when Franklinites trapped , raped and killed all women(mostly pregnant) ,children and elders of the nation. 110 people that I feel very close with died in a genicide attempt on Aug.10th 1810. (200 years ago this year) and 30 some years before the "trail of tears". Just wanted to share this info.I have a niece from my Sister that is a direct decendant of "Cornblossom" through the Rainwater family.Please consider sheding a Cherokee "tear" with me in rememberance this year on Aug.10 2010. Here's a video I did... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bjrWYNS0l8 --- On Thu, 7/15/10, Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> wrote: From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 3:34 PM All, As far as I know, none of my line has any Cherokee blood.  They were in Spartanburg Co., SC in the early 1800s before moving up to Rutherford Co., NC in the 1810s.  There is always the possibility that there was some intermarriage with Cherokees, but I have no direct evidence of it.  I do know that in the early 1900s, the federal government, in an attempt to make amends for the uprooting of the Eastern Cherokees, formed a commission, the Dawes Commission, to investigate claims of Cherokee ancestry and determine if any reparations were due to the descendants of those forced to leave their ancestral homelands and move to join the Western Cherokees on the reservation in Oklahoma.  Many people, in an effort to get in on the government gravy train, tried to claim Cherokee ancestry.  Some were successful, some were not.  I do know that some of the descendants of Barton of GA applied to the Dawes Commission, but I think they were claiming ancestry through Barton's wife Ibby.  Lou Ann and Anne Haneghan can set me straight on that if I'm wrong.  So many of the claims of Cherokee ancestry may be traced back to the possibility of getting a share of the reparations offered by the government. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg At 12:35 PM 7/15/2010, you wrote: >Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is >noted in our family oral history as being Cherokee.  I have never >found a document to prove it, though the few photographs we have of >her she does look as though she might indeed have been. > >I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from >her mother, Ann Knott. > >Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of >Cherokee?  Greg #1??? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 22:26:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, As far as I know, none of my line has any Cherokee blood. They were in Spartanburg Co., SC in the early 1800s before moving up to Rutherford Co., NC in the 1810s. There is always the possibility that there was some intermarriage with Cherokees, but I have no direct evidence of it. I do know that in the early 1900s, the federal government, in an attempt to make amends for the uprooting of the Eastern Cherokees, formed a commission, the Dawes Commission, to investigate claims of Cherokee ancestry and determine if any reparations were due to the descendants of those forced to leave their ancestral homelands and move to join the Western Cherokees on the reservation in Oklahoma. Many people, in an effort to get in on the government gravy train, tried to claim Cherokee ancestry. Some were successful, some were not. I do know that some of the descendants of Barton of GA applied to the Dawes Commission, but I think they were claiming ancestry through Barton's wife Ibby. Lou Ann and Anne Haneghan can set me straight on that if I'm wrong. So many of the claims of Cherokee ancestry may be traced back to the possibility of getting a share of the reparations offered by the government. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg At 12:35 PM 7/15/2010, you wrote: >Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is >noted in our family oral history as being Cherokee. I have never >found a document to prove it, though the few photographs we have of >her she does look as though she might indeed have been. > >I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from >her mother, Ann Knott. > >Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of >Cherokee? Greg #1??? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 22:26:00

My Lovelace line also has oral history of Cherokee blood through my g-g-grandmother Isabelle Stephens Riddle. Her mother was Savannah Lovelace and her father was Alexander Stephens and they all lived in and around Falmouth Kentucky. Eastern Kentucky where they lived was part of the historical land of the Cherokee. Couzin Mary in West Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "S B" <research33@hotmail.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is noted in > our family oral history as being Cherokee. I have never found a document > to prove it, though the few photographs we have of her she does look as > though she might indeed have been. > > I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from her > mother, Ann Knott. > > Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of > Cherokee? Greg #1??? > > > > >> From: Brondak@aol.com >> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:06:07 -0400 >> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida >> >> >> In a message dated 7/8/10 12:54:52 AM, jimmie.ryan@verizon.net writes: >> >> >> > I would not put it pass any of our >> > Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your >> > grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North >> > Carolina >> > and the tribes around Rutherford. >> > >> >> Yes, my grandpa did also have Cherokee blood, but I have yet to pinpoint >> where it is. >> I think it is from his mother whose maiden name was Brooks and the Brooks >> are >> illusive. Can't find the exact link to our Brooks, although I have >> found >> several families >> in the areas of both GA and AL where our Lovelesses were. There's kind >> of >> a funny >> story in regard to the Cherokee in my grandpa's family. Grandpa's >> brother >> married >> a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee. At the time my grandpa was 18 and he was >> against >> this "mixed marriage". I have a copy of a letter he wrote to a cousin >> in >> TX saying >> that. Yet, when I was about 12 my grandpa told me that he had a >> Cherokee >> grandpa. >> I can picture the scenario of this 18 year old ranting about his >> brother's >> "mixed >> marriage" and his mother taking him by the ears and telling him to hush >> his >> mouth >> because he was also Cherokee, probably an eighth as well. >> >> I wish that when I was twelve I had had the sense (or the courage) to ask >> for more >> information. The question came about because I had asked my mother what >> nationality we were and she told me Black Dutch, but she had no clue what >> that >> meant, so I asked my Grandparents. They told me it meant we were >> Cherokee. >> My grandmother told me she had a Cherokee grandmother (I have found her) >> and my >> grandfather told me he had a Cherokee grandfather (the illusive one). >> However, >> the message that came through to me loud and clear that day was that they >> really >> didn't want to talk about it, so I didn't pursue it. Bad mistake. >> >> The other funny thing about this, is that my grandfather was having such >> a >> fit about >> his brother marrying a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee and then he did the same >> thing. >> This tells me that he had definitely learned of his own heritage and had >> changed his >> mind about "mixed marriages". >> Lou Ann >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your > inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mollie (Mary R.) Lovelace, daughter of William Ramsey Lovelace is noted in our family oral history as being Cherokee. I have never found a document to prove it, though the few photographs we have of her she does look as though she might indeed have been. I am not sure if the Cherokee came from her Lovelace father or from her mother, Ann Knott. Would love to know if any of the Barton clan has found records of Cherokee? Greg #1??? > From: Brondak@aol.com > Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 10:06:07 -0400 > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LL] New Cousin in Florida > > > In a message dated 7/8/10 12:54:52 AM, jimmie.ryan@verizon.net writes: > > > > I would not put it pass any of our > > Loveless (Lovelace) clan if they were not more Cherokee blood then your > > grandpa cuz Lou Ann, just look at where Lucinda was born in North Carolina > > and the tribes around Rutherford. > > > > Yes, my grandpa did also have Cherokee blood, but I have yet to pinpoint > where it is. > I think it is from his mother whose maiden name was Brooks and the Brooks > are > illusive. Can't find the exact link to our Brooks, although I have found > several families > in the areas of both GA and AL where our Lovelesses were. There's kind of > a funny > story in regard to the Cherokee in my grandpa's family. Grandpa's brother > married > a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee. At the time my grandpa was 18 and he was > against > this "mixed marriage". I have a copy of a letter he wrote to a cousin in > TX saying > that. Yet, when I was about 12 my grandpa told me that he had a Cherokee > grandpa. > I can picture the scenario of this 18 year old ranting about his brother's > "mixed > marriage" and his mother taking him by the ears and telling him to hush his > mouth > because he was also Cherokee, probably an eighth as well. > > I wish that when I was twelve I had had the sense (or the courage) to ask > for more > information. The question came about because I had asked my mother what > nationality we were and she told me Black Dutch, but she had no clue what > that > meant, so I asked my Grandparents. They told me it meant we were > Cherokee. > My grandmother told me she had a Cherokee grandmother (I have found her) > and my > grandfather told me he had a Cherokee grandfather (the illusive one). > However, > the message that came through to me loud and clear that day was that they > really > didn't want to talk about it, so I didn't pursue it. Bad mistake. > > The other funny thing about this, is that my grandfather was having such a > fit about > his brother marrying a girl who was 1/8 Cherokee and then he did the same > thing. > This tells me that he had definitely learned of his own heritage and had > changed his > mind about "mixed marriages". > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

I sent an email to one of the Dna sites for Indian lines. I was politely directed to contact the the English side. Father has Choctaw per the stories his mom told. She used to visit her gmom on the reservation and she lived in a tepee. Dad had the high check bones also. The Indian sitedid not offer to look at any DNA info. FYI. For Ri lines I put my brother's DNA on the Germania site a received 3 matches on the 12 (?) local. That side also traces the ladies so I have sent to do my DNA and extend Lawrence out also to 67. Betsy

Always happens that way does it not... it seemed our animals all found us... odd story though. And what a ride... great luck for you cousin; they most likely are going to be a treasure or very mischievous. Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brondak@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:06 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] Lou Ann's cat story..... In a message dated 7/14/10 10:30:48 AM, spice3@juno.com writes: > So, these babies have *chosen* you and knew exactly what they were doing. > Ah betcha they make exceptional pets!  ( :    Maybe more so than any > others you have had. > > You may be right. My oldest cat who was Miss Kitty until she had babies and then became Mama Cat chose us. She had probably been "dropped off" by someone getting rid of her when she was just a kitten. She appeared in the yard one day and adopted my little dog as her mother. She was the greatest cat and one I allowed to have kittens, although some of her babies I had to have spayed. It was so much fun to watch her teach her babies to climb trees and stalk "game". We live in the country and not all of her litters survived. Critters would sometimes get some of them. That's why I let her have kittens. It was the only way to keep cats on the place. The two older cats I now have are two of hers and the only two left. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 7/14/10 10:30:48 AM, spice3@juno.com writes: > So, these babies have *chosen* you and knew exactly what they were doing. > Ah betcha they make exceptional pets!  ( :    Maybe more so than any > others you have had. > > You may be right. My oldest cat who was Miss Kitty until she had babies and then became Mama Cat chose us. She had probably been "dropped off" by someone getting rid of her when she was just a kitten. She appeared in the yard one day and adopted my little dog as her mother. She was the greatest cat and one I allowed to have kittens, although some of her babies I had to have spayed. It was so much fun to watch her teach her babies to climb trees and stalk "game". We live in the country and not all of her litters survived. Critters would sometimes get some of them. That's why I let her have kittens. It was the only way to keep cats on the place. The two older cats I now have are two of hers and the only two left. Lou Ann

Cute, cute story, Lou Ann! Those of us who've had pets lo these many years have discovered the bestest of the bunch actually choose us rather than our chosing them. So, these babies have *chosen* you and knew exactly what they were doing. Ah betcha they make exceptional pets! ( : Maybe more so than any others you have had. Buckette

Mornin' Cuzzies, Yeah, I'm around....just have more to do at the moment than I can say grace over. I still love ya! It's not that..... ( : Besides, y'all are doing goooood thingees around here as of late. ( ; It's hot here, but not really bad....summertime....the kids are all having a good time. People are agitated w/ the economy, the lack of jobs, and especially the Gulf's problems. We are all eating fish like it's going outta style.... 'cause it may be. o : The cat crew is flourishing, doing their thingees....which is mostly staying close by and napping. Fluff, new outdoor orphan cat, continues to arrive at mealtimes....natch. Has gotten to where I can pet him, and he enjoys it, but still hisses a bit. A little hissy cat doesn't bother me.....I've seen those before. o : Hope all is well w/ you and you are enjoying yourselves and your summer! Have a good one! Susan

In a message dated 7/14/10 8:40:39 AM, spice3@juno.com writes: > The cat crew is flourishing, doing their thingees....which is mostly  > staying close by and napping.   Fluff, new outdoor > orphan cat, continues to arrive at mealtimes....natch.   Has gotten to  > where I can pet him, and he enjoys it, but > still hisses a bit.   A little hissy cat doesn't bother me.....I've seen  > those before.  o : > Here's a cat story for you. My niece's two Mama cats had 5 apiece. I made the comment that since my cats are getting up there in years I might take a couple of them. The next day I had a call from my niece from work. She drives over 20 miles one way to work and two of those little kittens had somehow hitched a ride under her truck and ended up at work with her. She didn't even know it until someone she works with saw the kittens climbling around on the tires. It's a wonder they survived that trip. Anyway, she called and asked me if I was serious about the kittens because she had them with her (unplanned and all). She brought them to me when she got off and I'm now the proud owner of two more cats, and the little ones are full of daring-do. Lou Ann