This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: patlyonmccann Surnames: Lyon, Franssen, Pettit Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lovelace/737/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Only know the name. Birth? Marriage? Death? Worked on a ship. Went to college in California when 70. May have been married to Dorothy LYON Pettit (1902-1982)from New Jersey. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Cuz Gregg or David: Is there a difference between the female and male DNA test when it relates to markers on results? Our Lovelace list has primarily male DNA test, we do not collect any female DNA data for the purposes of determining Indian lineage? Am I correct in assuming that it is the female line that carries that DNA strand and not the male line? Cuz Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:50 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Indian blood Went back in my old emails and found what the American Indian site originally said. Maybe others might have the haplogroup markings as they described below. Do not know that Mitch about it, but I think grandmother Loveless would not have lied about the ancestry. But again at this time no proof. in order to participate in the project, you must belong to Haplogroup Q3, Q or C3. You belong to Haplogroup R1b1b2, a European haplogroup and are more likely to find matches in the R1b Project. Thank you. Betsy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lou Ann, The Cherokee have a legend to explain the blonde hair and blue eyes of some Cherokees. It is their "Goldie Locks" story but in their version Goldie Locks is captured by the Cherokees as a small child and when she becomes an young adult her white family finds her but she refuses to go back home with them and instead marries a young Cherokee man and their descendents sometimes have blonde hair and/or blue eyes. I like the story. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brondak@aol.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood In a message dated 7/17/10 1:08:40 PM, ginnyo@knology.net writes: > And, Mary, I also agree with your input about what an Indian looks > like....I > have a neice by marriage (not Lovelace related) that is high enough > percentage Cherokee that she is on the records and she has sandy blonde > hair > and blue eyes. She has an Aunt living on the reservation in Cherokee, NC. > (I believe the Aunt in on her Mom's side of the family). > > When I took my mother (Loveless & Meltabarger, Indian from both) to GA a few years ago, we visited the Cherokee museum at New Echota. There are many pictures of Cherokees on the walls. As we left, my mother said very seriously "Did you notice that they have our nose?" I laughed and told her it would probably be more accurate to say that we have theirs. It's true that we do have an Indian look. My half sister, however, is Choctaw from her father and Cherokee from my mother and is truly more Indian than I am, but has red hair and blue eyes and not a smidgen of an Indian look. My grandchildren are also Cherokee (supposedly) from their mother's side as well as from mine and they are all blond and blue eyed (in various shades and degrees). We were visiting a Cherokee trading post once and talking to the clerk about the blonde and blue eyed babes. She said you would be amazed at how many blonde, blue eyed Cherokees there are. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hmmm.....and I go back to mine and Jeff's line from Jesse ca 1792 which is our brick wall. We test into to the Maryland group. If I'm not mistaken, Jesse's first dau. is named Lucinda. Jesse's grand dau and my great gran is the one who said she was 100% Scot, and that she came from horse thieves <Barton?> greglovelace@comcast.net writes: >Geez...Could it be that she was named after her > grandmother Lucy Watson Lovelace? I would say so. That's what most of us on this side of the fence think anyway. I've always thought you had it right about your Lucy too. Lou Ann

In a message dated 7/17/10 1:08:40 PM, ginnyo@knology.net writes: > And, Mary, I also agree with your input about what an Indian looks > like....I > have a neice by marriage (not Lovelace related) that is high enough > percentage Cherokee that she is on the records and she has sandy blonde > hair > and blue eyes.  She has an Aunt living on the reservation in Cherokee, NC. > (I believe the Aunt in on her Mom's side of the family). > > When I took my mother (Loveless & Meltabarger, Indian from both) to GA a few years ago, we visited the Cherokee museum at New Echota. There are many pictures of Cherokees on the walls. As we left, my mother said very seriously "Did you notice that they have our nose?" I laughed and told her it would probably be more accurate to say that we have theirs. It's true that we do have an Indian look. My half sister, however, is Choctaw from her father and Cherokee from my mother and is truly more Indian than I am, but has red hair and blue eyes and not a smidgen of an Indian look. My grandchildren are also Cherokee (supposedly) from their mother's side as well as from mine and they are all blond and blue eyed (in various shades and degrees). We were visiting a Cherokee trading post once and talking to the clerk about the blonde and blue eyed babes. She said you would be amazed at how many blonde, blue eyed Cherokees there are. Lou Ann

In a message dated 7/16/10 2:12:19 PM, greglovelace@comcast.net writes: >   Geez...   Could it be that she was named after her > grandmother Lucy Watson Lovelace?  > I would say so. That's what most of us on this side of the fence think anyway. I've always thought you had it right about your Lucy too. Lou Ann

I have really enjoyed all the communication in the last couple of weeks. Much appreciation to all my cuzzins. One thing I have taken to heart, to quote Ralph Waldo Emerson: "We are the children of many sires, and every drop of blood in us in its turn betrays its ancestor." GinnyO Rutherford County NC (Lovelace group) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brondak@aol.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood In a message dated 7/17/10 1:08:40 PM, ginnyo@knology.net writes: > And, Mary, I also agree with your input about what an Indian looks > like....I > have a neice by marriage (not Lovelace related) that is high enough > percentage Cherokee that she is on the records and she has sandy blonde > hair > and blue eyes. She has an Aunt living on the reservation in Cherokee, NC. > (I believe the Aunt in on her Mom's side of the family). > > When I took my mother (Loveless & Meltabarger, Indian from both) to GA a few years ago, we visited the Cherokee museum at New Echota. There are many pictures of Cherokees on the walls. As we left, my mother said very seriously "Did you notice that they have our nose?" I laughed and told her it would probably be more accurate to say that we have theirs. It's true that we do have an Indian look. My half sister, however, is Choctaw from her father and Cherokee from my mother and is truly more Indian than I am, but has red hair and blue eyes and not a smidgen of an Indian look. My grandchildren are also Cherokee (supposedly) from their mother's side as well as from mine and they are all blond and blue eyed (in various shades and degrees). We were visiting a Cherokee trading post once and talking to the clerk about the blonde and blue eyed babes. She said you would be amazed at how many blonde, blue eyed Cherokees there are. Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kellenda , Do you still any of her book for sale . I seem to remember a while back you had some . I am interested in one . This has been an interesting week on our site . katherine82insightbb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <kellenda@aol.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > Dear Susan and Lovelace family members; > A Lovelace gentleman whose name was Bill Lovelace visited my mom in the > late 1980's in Eugene, Oregon. > He was 96 years old and on his way to Oklahoma to > claim his Indian heritage. Oil money I believe. He was an Indian agent in > Oklahoma and had married an Indian,, > Osage I believe. He claimed he had traced the Lovelace family back to > Baron Lovelace on the Isle of Bute, in Kilgatten > Bay off Glasgow, Scotland. My mom was truly fascinated as her father was > John McKirdy who was born in the mid > 1800's on the Isle of Bute. My father was Dennis Lovelace who descends > from John Baptise Lovelace. This information > is in a book called Annie's Story which is my mom's life story. > > Denise Lovleace Kellenbeck > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: spice3@juno.com <spice3@juno.com> > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 12:48 pm > Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > > Jeff writes: >>On my Loveless line from Jesse and Rebecca to Pinkney Wilson > and James Larkin has no Native American blood in it. We are > English and Scot-Irish with a smidgen of French. > I would like to express, to keep down the confusion, that I am from the > ame line. As far as I know, we have no clue as to where Jesse came > rom other than who he connects to w/ his DNA which is the Maryland > roup. His wife Rebecca, as far as I know, is a complete unknown. > My gr gran Liadora Adelaide from this same line professed to be one > undred percent Scot. Scots during this era were very clannish and > arried one another, as did my whole family from the 4th generation > ack that is currently known. Liadora married a Scot, as did her son, > y grandfather. They have Scot tendencies, mannerisms and physical > haracteristics. > Buckette > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Went back in my old emails and found what the American Indian site originally said. Maybe others might have the haplogroup markings as they described below. Do not know that Mitch about it, but I think grandmother Loveless would not have lied about the ancestry. But again at this time no proof. in order to participate in the project, you must belong to Haplogroup Q3, Q or C3. You belong to Haplogroup R1b1b2, a European haplogroup and are more likely to find matches in the R1b Project. Thank you. Betsy

Dear Susan and Lovelace family members; A Lovelace gentleman whose name was Bill Lovelace visited my mom in the late 1980's in Eugene, Oregon. He was 96 years old and on his way to Oklahoma to claim his Indian heritage. Oil money I believe. He was an Indian agent in Oklahoma and had married an Indian,, Osage I believe. He claimed he had traced the Lovelace family back to Baron Lovelace on the Isle of Bute, in Kilgatten Bay off Glasgow, Scotland. My mom was truly fascinated as her father was John McKirdy who was born in the mid 1800's on the Isle of Bute. My father was Dennis Lovelace who descends from John Baptise Lovelace. This information is in a book called Annie's Story which is my mom's life story. Denise Lovleace Kellenbeck -----Original Message----- From: spice3@juno.com <spice3@juno.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Jul 16, 2010 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood Jeff writes: >On my Loveless line from Jesse and Rebecca to Pinkney Wilson and James Larkin has no Native American blood in it. We are English and Scot-Irish with a smidgen of French. I would like to express, to keep down the confusion, that I am from the ame line. As far as I know, we have no clue as to where Jesse came rom other than who he connects to w/ his DNA which is the Maryland roup. His wife Rebecca, as far as I know, is a complete unknown. My gr gran Liadora Adelaide from this same line professed to be one undred percent Scot. Scots during this era were very clannish and arried one another, as did my whole family from the 4th generation ack that is currently known. Liadora married a Scot, as did her son, y grandfather. They have Scot tendencies, mannerisms and physical haracteristics. Buckette ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Teri, Thank you for the wonderful information. And, Mary, I also agree with your input about what an Indian looks like....I have a neice by marriage (not Lovelace related) that is high enough percentage Cherokee that she is on the records and she has sandy blonde hair and blue eyes. She has an Aunt living on the reservation in Cherokee, NC. (I believe the Aunt in on her Mom's side of the family). GinnyO (from the Rutherford County NC Lovelace's) ----- Original Message ----- From: <ptsteiner1@juno.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > > > My Lovelace side has a lot of Cherokee and some Choctaw. I'm from the > Wayne County, KY Lovelaces. We go back to John Lovelace Sr. (1801) who > married Mary Polly Cooper (1798). Mary's Father was a Choctaw chief and > her Grandfather was a Cherokee Chief Enola Black Fox. They are listed on > the Old Settler's List and Chief Black Fox was removed to and Indian > Reservation in Oklahoma. There are still Black Fox family members there > today. My Grandfather had no idea that he was at all Indian. I thought > like some others on the list that there was no way he was Cherokee. He > claimed to be Scottish through and through - black hair and blue eyes. He > never knew his birth name was Fox Ford Lovelace until he received a draft > notice at age 18. Even then, he didn't know where the name came from. His > Irish granny never told him her husband came from a chief. From what I > know, the only British people who intermarried with Cherokees were the > Scottish, Irish and Welsh. The English considered it ben! > eath them for the most part. All I am saying is that there is a lot we > don't know about our families. It was someone on the Lovelace that told me > years ago that my GG Grandfather, Fox Fontaine Lovelace was Cherokee. I > argued with them that he had black hair and blue eyes and there was no > way. Then I started on a path that has never stopped amazing me because of > the wealth of info available. > > Teri Steiner > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 >> 22:26:00 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c410faa13b330005fst05duc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for this info. There is a "stereotype" of what an Indian should look like i.e., high cheek-bones, large nose, black hair, dark skin. This never was the case even with the original Indians. They all had different physical features and the area of the country they lived played a big part in this. Then add to the mix marriage with a non-Indian and you have other genes in the gene pool resulting in many different physical appearances. Right now there are approx. 658 federally recognized tribes, bands and rancheros. These are all sovereign nations with their own language, customs, etc. Usually, when there is a family lore of Indian blood especially if it goes back at least 200 years or more the possibility of it being true is better than if it doesn't go back that far. A lot of eastern woodland Indians ran for the hills rather than being driven off their lands. They settled in the hills and hollows of Virginia, Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee and even in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Many of the descendents of these people have a lot of documentation of their Indian blood but cannot get federal recognition because their Indian ancestors did not remain part of a tribe. Unfortunately, many unscruplous people in the past 40 years have exploited Indian tribes and have become very good a developing a genealogy that on the surface appears to be legit until it is investigated. Many tribes have had to make enrollments so defined as to even exclude a lot of legitmate members i.e., the Eastern Cherokee has an enrollment criteria that is you MUST be enrolled within the first year of life AND be at least 1/16th Cherokee or you MUST enroll between your 18th and 19th birthday AND be at Least 1/16th Cherokee. NO EXCEPTIONS. This is because of con men and women who would present one of these bogus genealogies and once enrolled would receive not only the entitlements of free health care, etc., but they would receive their allotment of tribal land then sell it to some outsider. The Cherokee were losing their tribal lands. This very small Cherokee tribe (approx. 11,000) did not have the financial means to pay someone to investigate all the hundreds of applications for membership that they received every year so they enacted this tribal enrollment law. Needless to say the volume of applications have drastically reduced. Many other tribes have done the same for the same reasons. Mary Jarrell ----- Original Message ----- From: <ptsteiner1@juno.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > > > My Lovelace side has a lot of Cherokee and some Choctaw. I'm from the > Wayne County, KY Lovelaces. We go back to John Lovelace Sr. (1801) who > married Mary Polly Cooper (1798). Mary's Father was a Choctaw chief and > her Grandfather was a Cherokee Chief Enola Black Fox. They are listed on > the Old Settler's List and Chief Black Fox was removed to and Indian > Reservation in Oklahoma. There are still Black Fox family members there > today. My Grandfather had no idea that he was at all Indian. I thought > like some others on the list that there was no way he was Cherokee. He > claimed to be Scottish through and through - black hair and blue eyes. He > never knew his birth name was Fox Ford Lovelace until he received a draft > notice at age 18. Even then, he didn't know where the name came from. His > Irish granny never told him her husband came from a chief. From what I > know, the only British people who intermarried with Cherokees were the > Scottish, Irish and Welsh. The English considered it ben! > eath them for the most part. All I am saying is that there is a lot we > don't know about our families. It was someone on the Lovelace that told me > years ago that my GG Grandfather, Fox Fontaine Lovelace was Cherokee. I > argued with them that he had black hair and blue eyes and there was no > way. Then I started on a path that has never stopped amazing me because of > the wealth of info available. > > Teri Steiner > >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 >> 22:26:00 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 2000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c410faa13b330005fst05duc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Lovelace side has a lot of Cherokee and some Choctaw. I'm from the Wayne County, KY Lovelaces. We go back to John Lovelace Sr. (1801) who married Mary Polly Cooper (1798). Mary's Father was a Choctaw chief and her Grandfather was a Cherokee Chief Enola Black Fox. They are listed on the Old Settler's List and Chief Black Fox was removed to and Indian Reservation in Oklahoma. There are still Black Fox family members there today. My Grandfather had no idea that he was at all Indian. I thought like some others on the list that there was no way he was Cherokee. He claimed to be Scottish through and through - black hair and blue eyes. He never knew his birth name was Fox Ford Lovelace until he received a draft notice at age 18. Even then, he didn't know where the name came from. His Irish granny never told him her husband came from a chief. From what I know, the only British people who intermarried with Cherokees were the Scottish, Irish and Welsh. The English considered it beneath them for the most part. All I am saying is that there is a lot we don't know about our families. It was someone on the Lovelace that told me years ago that my GG Grandfather, Fox Fontaine Lovelace was Cherokee. I argued with them that he had black hair and blue eyes and there was no way. Then I started on a path that has never stopped amazing me because of the wealth of info available. Teri Steiner > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3006 - Release Date: 07/14/10 > 22:26:00 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c410faa13b330005fst05duc

Jeff writes: >On my Loveless line from Jesse and Rebecca to Pinkney Wilson >and James Larkin has no Native American blood in it. We are >English and Scot-Irish with a smidgen of French. I would like to express, to keep down the confusion, that I am from the same line. As far as I know, we have no clue as to where Jesse came from other than who he connects to w/ his DNA which is the Maryland group. His wife Rebecca, as far as I know, is a complete unknown. My gr gran Liadora Adelaide from this same line professed to be one hundred percent Scot. Scots during this era were very clannish and married one another, as did my whole family from the 4th generation back that is currently known. Liadora married a Scot, as did her son, my grandfather. They have Scot tendencies, mannerisms and physical characteristics. Buckette

Ok. Is there a DNA test like thingy that could be used to ID Indian backgound? Betsy

Afternoon Cuzzies, Currently got more than a boat load of stuff to tend to and that's why you are hearing from me on a rather sparce basis....I'll catch up! ( : Well, I've always been a heat animal....worked in these summers, played hard, too, and the heat never fazed me. I always wondered what people's probs were who were always complaining. Well, you can close that chapter.....the heat just more than wrings me out now. Yes, it's hotter than the hinges of hell, but it never bothered me before. That's over now..... o : But, then dancing and hoorahing 'til 2 in the morn has been over for awhile, too....and ponying two little ill mannered, unschooled stallions, one on either side, who constantly nipped and played w/ one another over the riding horse's neck. I look back and can't believe some of the things I did. I'm sure we all have those memories. Y'all have a good one.... ( : Buckette

At 11:34 AM 7/16/2010,Lou Ann wrote: >Then Barton's sister Lucinda married Joel Underwood Oh, my! Have I missed this all these years? Barton's sister was named Lucinda??? Geez... Could it be that she was named after her grandmother Lucy Watson Lovelace? This lends more credence to my idea that Lucy Green of Rutherford Co., NC, wife of Lewis Green, was the daughter of Benjamin (son of ol' Barton and uncle to Barton of GA) and Nancy Lovelace. Still trying to find evidence to back up my belief that Lewis and Nancy were siblings. I know from the church records that Lucy was asked to leave the fellowship of Walls Baptist Church in Rutherford Co. The reason was that their sister church, Sandy Run Baptist, had already booted Lewis and Lucy from the church because they were uncle and niece as well as husband and wife, and that Sandy Run was upset when Lucy was accepted into the fellowship at Walls. Lucy's father (that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!) Benjamin was a charter member of Walls, so (and this came from Cuzzin Doug Lovelace as conjecture) instead of booting her outright as they did with normal folk who ran askew of their rules, they politely asked her to withdraw from the church, which she did, and that settled the matter between Walls and Sandy Run. One interesting side note to this... Lewis Green is mentioned many times in the minute books of Walls. He was always contributing to the church when they needed a little cash to, say, buy blank books for the minutes or collect for the pastor's salary, but he was never mentioned as "brother"... he was always called "a friend". Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3009 - Release Date: 07/16/10 02:35:00

To add to my Houston cousin's comments my DNA tests show no other ancestry than that of the British Isles and Northwest Europe. So who ever Jesse's ancestors were and the ancestors of my 3 other lines, Buck, Lowry and Magee there has been no Native American contribution. The Bucks were from England and the Lowrys and Magee came from Ireland, with the Magees originally from Scotland. > From: spice3@juno.com > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:48:37 +0000 > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > Jeff writes: > > >On my Loveless line from Jesse and Rebecca to Pinkney Wilson > >and James Larkin has no Native American blood in it. We are > >English and Scot-Irish with a smidgen of French. > > I would like to express, to keep down the confusion, that I am from the > same line. As far as I know, we have no clue as to where Jesse came > from other than who he connects to w/ his DNA which is the Maryland > group. His wife Rebecca, as far as I know, is a complete unknown. > > My gr gran Liadora Adelaide from this same line professed to be one > hundred percent Scot. Scots during this era were very clannish and > married one another, as did my whole family from the 4th generation > back that is currently known. Liadora married a Scot, as did her son, > my grandfather. They have Scot tendencies, mannerisms and physical > characteristics. > > Buckette > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On my Loveless line from Jesse and Rebecca to Pinkney Wilson and James Larkin has no Native American blood in it. We are English and Scot-Irish with a smidgen of French. Most likely by the time they moved to an area the Native population had been forced out. > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:31:16 -0700 > From: wsloveless@yahoo.com > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > > I found Thomas Loveless in the 1896 Dawes rolls under Choctaw case #60. > Sarah Loveless is also listed as a founding ancester for the Wayandot nation.She was kidnapped with 8 other Loveless' from Martin's Fort by French allied Shawnee and brutally marched to Canada on foot during the French/Indian war.Sarah was adopted by the Wayandot and after her rescue chose to stay with the tribe.She was given a tract of land in Ky.at a place then called "negroe's point" Do not know which "Thomas" this is,though. > > --- On Fri, 7/16/10, Brondak@aol.com <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: > > From: Brondak@aol.com <Brondak@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, July 16, 2010, 11:34 AM > > Actually in our family (Barton of GA and kids) there are more than one > place where > Cherokee blood comes in. Like Anne said, in Abner's family there is the > Townsend claim. > I've talked with GA historians who do believe Anna Townsend was part > Indian, although > the "chief" claim is probably not accurate. There are some interesting > "family lore" > type stories about how the Indian came about, but nothing has ever been > proven because > like Anne said there are no rolls to back it up. > > Then Barton's sister Lucinda married Joel Underwood of Cherokee descent. > This bloodline > has been proven. > > Then, there's my grandfather who told me he had a Cherokee grandfather. > That would > not be through the Loveless line, however. I think it had to come from > his mother who > definitely did have an Indian look. Again, no proof yet. > > And there may be more that I'm not aware of. > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of the outstanding events of the Revolutionary War in the West was the invasion of Kentucky by the British officer, Captain Henry Bird, of the Eighth Regiment of his Majesty's forces, and the destruction of Ruddle's and Martin's Forts. Coming in the summer of 1780 with an army of more than a thousand British regulars, [1] Canadian volunteers, Indians and Tories, and bringing the first cannon ever used against the log forts of the wilderness, he captured 470 men, women and children,[2] loaded them down with the plunder from their own cabin homes and drove them on foot from Central Kentucky to Detroit, a distance of 600 miles. There they were divided among their captors and some of them were taken 800 miles farther to Mackinac and to Montreal.[3] The story of their capture, of the separation of families, of the hardships endured during the six-weeks journey and of the conditions under which they lived during the fourteen years of their captivity is one of the most shocking in the pioneer period of Kentucky's history. The invasion was planned by British officers at Detroit, their object being not only to exterminate the pioneer forts, but to force our western frontier back to the Alleghany Mountains, thus bringing out in bold relief the policy of Great Britain in the Revolutionary War-to prevent the westward growth of the American Colonies.[4] In executing their plan they waged the War of the American Revolution on Kentucky soil, for they came under the command of a British officer flying the British flag, demanding surrender in the name of his Britannic Majesty, King George III, and made official report of the expedition to Sir Frederick Haldimand,[5] the British Lieutenant General, who was then Governor of Canada.[6] From: http://kynghistory.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/1B25C3C3-F3E4-4BDB-9413-B48BF7ECB2BA/ 123151/DestructionofRuddlesandMartinsFort1.pdf -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of william loveless Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:31 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] Cherokee Blood I found Thomas Loveless in the 1896 Dawes rolls under Choctaw case #60. Sarah Loveless is also listed as a founding ancester for the Wayandot nation.She was kidnapped with 8 other Loveless' from Martin's Fort by French allied Shawnee and brutally marched to Canada on foot during the French/Indian war.Sarah was adopted by the Wayandot and after her rescue chose to stay with the tribe.She was given a tract of land in Ky.at a place then called "negroe's point" Do not know which "Thomas" this is,though.