Lou Ann and all thanks for sharing this. WOW.........it's sooo interesting. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brondak@aol.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:05 AM Subject: [LL] Question > Cuzzins, > I have found something kind of interesting and I'm curious about this > family. > > I'm doing a book on the history of the county where I live and in it I'm > doing stories on the > early families of the area, some of whom came here (Cleveland Co Oklahoma) > during the Land > Run of 1889. One of those families is Teague...or the mother of one of > the guys is a Teague. > Anyway, I was doing research on his family and these Teagues are > interesting. They came > from MD and their immigrant got there at about the same time the immigrant > Lovelace > got there. I find no connection, however, in MD. But when they left > they basically followed > the same migration route out of MD, ie NC, SC, GA, AL, TX to Oklahoma. > Well, in GA I > find them marrying into the Nicholsons (family of the wife of James the > Orphan, brother of my Barton) and the Tallys (family of Mary Loveless, > sister > of Barton who married a Tally) and in AL > I find them again marrying into the family of James the orphan's > descendents. Then the > branch gets to OK and they are neighbors of my family here and we have > known them as > friends for 100 years, but I'm pretty sure they had no clue of any of the > previous > family connections. If I look deeper I'll probably find some more > connections. > > Then in this same family, except on the guy's mother's side...there are > Blankenships. > Same story, different migration route. The Blankenships were in VA, went > to NC, TN, > (some sidetracked to IN and/or MO) and then to TX to OK. Again, I find a > gazillion links to > my family who basically followed those same migration trails (my Grandma > Loveless's > family) and here they are in OK neighbors & friends without a clue to all > those family connections. > > Is this amazing or what? Anyway, my questions is do any of you have any > Teagues > or Blankenships in your Loveless/Lovelace family lines and if so, where > are > they > when the link took place? > > One funny thing has occured during the researching of this book. I have > started a > data base which is designed to include the families of the area who I'm > researching. > This extra data base so far has only one family in it. Every single > family I've worked > on to date is my own data base because somewhere they're connected to my > own > family. I've found cousins I didn't know were cousins and in other cases > if they're > not actually cousins they're married to my cousins somewhere down the > line, > sometimes > after they got to Oklahoma, but often way before they got here. It's > pretty wild. And > the one guy whose family is alone in that data base isn't actually related > to any family, > that I've found so far, but his 2nd great grandfather was the Commander of > a Kentucky > regiment fighting the Battle of New Orleans and another guy who is my > cousin had > a 2nd great grandfather in that very regiment fighting that very battle > and > here their > grandsons are in OK and are the best of friends. > We live in a small, small world genealogically speaking. > Thanks > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cindy, I have not upgraded to the 67 marker test and I do not plan on doing so. The 67 marker test alows you to get close matches in the four or five previous generations. In the case of the Maryland group (my group) or the Virginia group, the current documentation on these two groups will probably tell you everything that the 67 marker test will tell you. In the case of the New York, Rhode Island, and New Jersey groups, there are not enough 37 markers tests completed to make the upgrade to the 67 marker test worth while. If your case is like Thomas R., where there is no documentation and the 25/37 marker results puts him in the Virginia group, then an upgrade to the 67 marker test is warrented That's my two cents for what it is worth. Jack terrence White wrote: > Hi Cindy, > > Firstly, you are most welcome. > > Secondly, I will only say that genetic genealogists LOVE people who do 67-marker tests! > > I myself will add that 67-markers aren't always necessary for everyone (particularly if a man just doesn't closely match ANYONE else who has tested thus far), but if one has the available funds, and the curiosity, it sure can't hurt. > > For those who have several (or even just one) close 37-marker matches on record, then, yes--absolutely, a 67-marker upgrade is called for. > > Best wishes, > > Terry > > > --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Cary, Cindy <Cary.Cindy@endo.com> wrote: > > > From: Cary, Cindy <Cary.Cindy@endo.com> > Subject: Re: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 4:45 PM > > > Terry, I'm in the process of having my dad's DNA tested...he has done 25 and they are now doing the 37 markers. Based on your description, it sounds like the 67 marker is really what I need. Thank you for going into all the detail about markers and their value. I have no formal records beyond my great grandfather so I'm trying to link into my g-g grandfather's lineage. Greg (#1) provided me with some very helpful info from some research he did. > > This group is wonderful about sharing their knowledge - as a beginner in the quest for family info, it is greatly appreciated! > > Cindy (Loveless) Cary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of terrence White > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:06 PM > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA > > Carolyn, > > The family finder test could indeed be useful. Although it is a new test, I've already heard of several 'success stories' from using it. > > But first, I must ask what you mean when you say that your husband "matches" several other men. Does he match at 12 markers, or at 25 markers, or at 37 markers (or even 67 markers)? > > A 12 marker "match" will not mean very much at all--it only shows that your husband's pre-Ice Age ancestors sprang from the same stock as those other men--it is not at all useful for recent genealogical time frames. Ditto for a 25 marker "match". The only really useful "matches" are the 37 marker ones, and (especially) the 67 marker matches. > > If your husband matches any of those men at 37 markers, then you have some solid leads, and an upgrade to 67 markers is definitely warranted! > > If you've only tested him to 12 or 25 markers, then you really need to upgrade to at least 37. (Some of my genealogist friends even insist that only the 67 marker test is really worthwhile, however, and won't even touch anyone who has tested to lower levels than that!) > > Hope this helps! > > Terry W. > > > --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> > Subject: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA > To: "Lovelace List" <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 3:52 PM > > > Can anyone tell me the advantage of taking part in the Family Finder Test > from the Family Tree DNA group? My husband submitted DNA to the McKay > (since there is not a McCoy group) Family DNA study and he matches several > other surnames, but no McCoys (or McKays). Would the Family Finder test > help at all? > Thanks, > Carolyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > This e-mail transmission may contain confidential or legally privileged information that is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(ies) named in the e-mail address. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance upon the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately, so that Endo can arrange for proper delivery, and then please delete the message from your system. Thank you. > <Virus Scanned by Microsoft ForeFront Online Security> > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Jack D. Lovelace

----- Original Message ----- From: <spice3@juno.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [LL] Sat Jul 31, 2010 When you get to S. A. be sure to let me know --- come over to Fredericksburg and we'll give you a tour and get some barbeque etc. It has been a interesting summer -- a few years ago we had 100 plus for 100 days. Have not reached l00 yet this year. Those poor northerners who can't tolerate 90 wouldn't do too well here. Hope you will contact me when you get to San Antonio. Wilbur Crenwelge omaandopac@austin.rr.com

Hi Cindy,   Firstly, you are most welcome.   Secondly, I will only say that genetic genealogists LOVE people who do 67-marker tests!   I myself will add that 67-markers aren't always necessary for everyone (particularly if a man just doesn't closely match ANYONE else who has tested thus far), but if one has the available funds, and the curiosity, it sure can't hurt.   For those who have several (or even just one) close 37-marker matches on record, then, yes--absolutely, a 67-marker upgrade is called for.   Best wishes,   Terry --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Cary, Cindy <Cary.Cindy@endo.com> wrote: From: Cary, Cindy <Cary.Cindy@endo.com> Subject: Re: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 4:45 PM Terry, I'm in the process of having my dad's DNA tested...he has done 25 and they are now doing the 37 markers.  Based on your description, it sounds like the 67 marker is really what I need.  Thank you for going into all the detail about markers and their value.  I have no formal records beyond my great grandfather so I'm trying to link into my g-g grandfather's lineage.  Greg (#1) provided me with some very helpful info from some research he did.  This group is wonderful about sharing their knowledge - as a beginner in the quest for family info, it is greatly appreciated! Cindy (Loveless) Cary -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of terrence White Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:06 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA Carolyn,   The family finder test could indeed be useful. Although it is a new test, I've already heard of several 'success stories' from using it.   But first, I must ask what you mean when you say that your husband "matches" several other men. Does he match at 12 markers, or at 25 markers, or at 37 markers (or even 67 markers)?   A 12 marker "match" will not mean very much at all--it only shows that your husband's pre-Ice Age ancestors sprang from the same stock as those other men--it is not at all useful for recent genealogical time frames. Ditto for a 25 marker "match". The only really useful "matches" are the 37 marker ones, and (especially) the 67 marker matches.   If your husband matches any of those men at 37 markers, then you have some solid leads, and an upgrade to 67 markers is definitely warranted!   If you've only tested him to 12 or 25 markers, then you really need to upgrade to at least 37. (Some of my genealogist friends even insist that only the 67 marker test is really worthwhile, however, and won't even touch anyone who has tested to lower levels than that!)   Hope this helps!   Terry W. --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> wrote: From: Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> Subject: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA To: "Lovelace List" <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 3:52 PM Can anyone tell me the advantage of taking part in the Family Finder Test from the Family Tree DNA group?  My husband submitted DNA to the McKay (since there is not a McCoy group) Family DNA study and he matches several other surnames, but no McCoys (or McKays).  Would the Family Finder test help at all? Thanks, Carolyn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This e-mail transmission may contain confidential or legally privileged information that is intended only for the individual(s) or entity(ies) named in the e-mail address. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance upon the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately, so that Endo can arrange for proper delivery, and then please delete the message from your system. Thank you. <Virus Scanned by Microsoft ForeFront Online Security> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lou Ann,   As you know, you and I've discussed all of these labyrinthine, almost Byzantine connections and interconnections which we've both encountered in many of these families, over and over again, too many numerous times to mention in a short reply like this. In fact, I keep finding so many of those re-connections that I find I have to put all of the data aside from time to time (to get it off my mind), because I notice that if I study all of it too long, it starts to wear down my reason!   As you pointed out just now, our Alabama Lovelxxx connections (descendants of James the erstwhile "Orphan", brother of your Barton) did indeed marry into those Teagues. It was Cortez Pate Loveless (1880-1918), son of Rev. Evan Jackson Loveless (1840-1920), and grandson of James "the Orphan", who married Cora Idell Teague in Cleburne County, Alabama, about 1908. I gather that Cortez Loveless was something of a "dandy" or a "rakish young man"--at least to the extent of being outgoing and loving life. He was evidently a popular young man, and much desired as a friend and companion, for stories to that effect have survived to the present day.   Cora was a daughter of Solomon Moore Teague (1851-1934) and his 2nd wife Elizabeth Scott (1865-1948). I have that Solomon back to a William Teague (1761-1845) of Rowan Co NC and Wilson Co TN, but cannot verify that data.   I do know of an interesting (and sad) story about Cora Teague Loveless. I was told this by her grandchildren, only a few years back. They said that her (Cora's) own parents were mean and downright cruel to her and to her children (their own grandchildren).   After the untimely death of Cora's husband, Mr. Loveless (from a rattlesnake bite), she had evidently had no choice but to move back in with her parents for several years, and she ended up staying there until the oldest of her sons obtained his own house and wife, and then she quickly moved in with him. Apparently, Cora's parents sternly disapproved of the entire Loveless family living there in Cleburne County, because when Cora had to move back in with them (with her five small children!), they literally treated her like an unwanted "red-headed stepchild," or like a servant. (This is amazing, because Cortez Loveless' father was a Methodist circuit-riding preacher!) I am seriously told that they forced Cora to wash the bare wooden floors of the house, on her hands and knees, all day long, with only water (no soap of any kind), as a way of paying for her "room and board". I was also told that her mother was so mean that she would not cook the breakfast eggs for her husband (Mr. Teague) unless he paid her for them on the spot!   I don't know how much of this is true, but I do know that the descendants of Cora repeat it endlessly, and have never forgotten how their poor grandmother got treated by her own family. (And they always spoke lovingly and highly of their grandmother Cora, too.)   Terry --- On Sat, 7/31/10, Brondak@aol.com <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: From: Brondak@aol.com <Brondak@aol.com> Subject: [LL] Question To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 31, 2010, 2:05 AM Cuzzins, I have found something kind of interesting and I'm curious about this family. I'm doing a book on the history of the county where I live and in it I'm doing stories on the early families of the area, some of whom came here (Cleveland Co Oklahoma) during the Land Run of 1889.   One of those families is Teague...or the mother of one of the guys is a Teague. Anyway, I was doing research on his family and these Teagues are interesting.   They came from MD and their immigrant got there at about the same time the immigrant Lovelace got there.   I find no connection, however, in MD.   But when they left they basically followed the same migration route out of MD, ie NC, SC, GA, AL, TX to Oklahoma.    Well, in GA I find them marrying into the Nicholsons (family of the wife of James the Orphan, brother of my Barton) and the Tallys (family of Mary Loveless, sister of Barton who married a Tally) and in AL I find them again marrying into the family of James the orphan's descendents.   Then the branch gets to OK and they are neighbors of my family here and we have known them as friends for 100 years, but I'm pretty sure they had no clue of any of the previous family connections.    If I look deeper I'll probably find some more connections. Then in this same family, except on the guy's mother's side...there are Blankenships. Same story, different migration route.   The Blankenships were in VA, went to NC, TN, (some sidetracked to IN and/or MO) and then to TX to OK.   Again, I find a gazillion links to my family who basically followed those same migration trails (my Grandma Loveless's family) and here they are in OK neighbors & friends without a clue to all those family connections.    Is this amazing or what?   Anyway, my questions is do any of you have any Teagues or Blankenships in your Loveless/Lovelace family lines and if so, where are they when the link took place? One funny thing has occured during the researching of this book.   I have started a data base which is designed to include the families of the area who I'm researching. This extra data base so far has only one family in it.   Every single family I've worked on to date is my own data base because somewhere they're connected to my own family.   I've found cousins I didn't know were cousins and in other cases if they're not actually cousins they're married to my cousins somewhere down the line, sometimes after they got to Oklahoma, but often way before they got here.   It's pretty wild.   And the one guy whose family is alone in that data base isn't actually related to any family, that I've found so far, but his 2nd great grandfather was the Commander of a Kentucky regiment fighting the Battle of New Orleans and another guy who is my cousin had a 2nd great grandfather in that very regiment fighting that very battle and here their grandsons are in OK and   are the best of friends.    We live in a small, small world genealogically speaking. Thanks Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn,   Again, David Wilson, or Lou Ann, Jack or Greg would probably be the better persons to answer this, but I'll give it my best:   Yes, a 25-marker exact match for your husband, plus the 2, 3, and 4 step-mutation matches (especially if all of the men are of the same surname--even if it is not your husband's surname) would indicate the 67-marker upgrade. Wish you the best there. But only a 25-marker match (even if it is exact), if it is not also shown as a 37-marker match (even with 1, 2, or 3 step mutations) in the same individual with whom your husband matches, may not really mean very much. I know this may sound confusing, so if you need clarification, please don't hesitate to ask.   As to your cousin Barry Lovelace possibly doing the "family finder" test, such a test result would not say anything about our remote Dorset connections, because those are simply too far back in time and generations (1500s-1600s). The family finder is really only useful for more recent generations (e.g. 4th-6th cousins). It might well say something about Barry's more recent Lovelace (and other non-Lovelxxx) relatives, however, and would be worth the try!   I myself plan on doing it soon, plus the deep-clade SNP test, to verify my haplogroup.   Best regards, and best of luck! Please keep me informed.   Terry --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> wrote: From: Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Cc: "Barry Lovelace" <blovelace@austin.rr.com> Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 5:28 PM Terry, We have just requested an upgrade to 67 markers for my husband.  He has one exact match in the 25 marker category and several with 2, 3 and 4 distances on the 25 and 37 categories.  Also, my cousin, Barry Lovelace, who submitted his DNA to the Lovelace DNA study was wondering if he should go for the Family Finder test.  His DNA places us in the Maryland group and the Dorset, England, group.  Would the Family Finder tell us more? Thanks, Terry. Carolyn On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:06 PM, terrence White <revenant1963@yahoo.com>wrote: > Carolyn, > > The family finder test could indeed be useful. Although it is a new test, > I've already heard of several 'success stories' from using it. > > But first, I must ask what you mean when you say that your husband > "matches" several other men. Does he match at 12 markers, or at 25 markers, > or at 37 markers (or even 67 markers)? > > A 12 marker "match" will not mean very much at all--it only shows that your > husband's pre-Ice Age ancestors sprang from the same stock as those other > men--it is not at all useful for recent genealogical time frames. Ditto for > a 25 marker "match". The only really useful "matches" are the 37 marker > ones, and (especially) the 67 marker matches. > > If your husband matches any of those men at 37 markers, then you have some > solid leads, and an upgrade to 67 markers is definitely warranted! > > If you've only tested him to 12 or 25 markers, then you really need to > upgrade to at least 37. (Some of my genealogist friends even insist that > only the 67 marker test is really worthwhile, however, and won't even touch > anyone who has tested to lower levels than that!) > > Hope this helps! > > Terry W. > > > --- On Thu, 7/29/10, Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Carolyn McCoy <c2mccoy@gmail.com> > Subject: [LL] Family Finder on Family Tree DNA > To: "Lovelace List" <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, July 29, 2010, 3:52 PM > > > Can anyone tell me the advantage of taking part in the Family Finder Test > from the Family Tree DNA group?  My husband submitted DNA to the McKay > (since there is not a McCoy group) Family DNA study and he matches several > other surnames, but no McCoys (or McKays).  Would the Family Finder test > help at all? > Thanks, > Carolyn > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This may be a little too distant --- the is a Teague family in Fredericksburg, Texas -- don't know any family details -- but my 6th g-grandmother was Elizabeth Loveless --- Mrs. Peter Crawford --- and my brother's wife's sister was married to a Teague. That's probably too many generations etc. but thought you might be interested in the fact that there are Texas Teagues. Wilbur Crenwelge

Cuzzins, I have found something kind of interesting and I'm curious about this family. I'm doing a book on the history of the county where I live and in it I'm doing stories on the early families of the area, some of whom came here (Cleveland Co Oklahoma) during the Land Run of 1889. One of those families is Teague...or the mother of one of the guys is a Teague. Anyway, I was doing research on his family and these Teagues are interesting. They came from MD and their immigrant got there at about the same time the immigrant Lovelace got there. I find no connection, however, in MD. But when they left they basically followed the same migration route out of MD, ie NC, SC, GA, AL, TX to Oklahoma. Well, in GA I find them marrying into the Nicholsons (family of the wife of James the Orphan, brother of my Barton) and the Tallys (family of Mary Loveless, sister of Barton who married a Tally) and in AL I find them again marrying into the family of James the orphan's descendents. Then the branch gets to OK and they are neighbors of my family here and we have known them as friends for 100 years, but I'm pretty sure they had no clue of any of the previous family connections. If I look deeper I'll probably find some more connections. Then in this same family, except on the guy's mother's side...there are Blankenships. Same story, different migration route. The Blankenships were in VA, went to NC, TN, (some sidetracked to IN and/or MO) and then to TX to OK. Again, I find a gazillion links to my family who basically followed those same migration trails (my Grandma Loveless's family) and here they are in OK neighbors & friends without a clue to all those family connections. Is this amazing or what? Anyway, my questions is do any of you have any Teagues or Blankenships in your Loveless/Lovelace family lines and if so, where are they when the link took place? One funny thing has occured during the researching of this book. I have started a data base which is designed to include the families of the area who I'm researching. This extra data base so far has only one family in it. Every single family I've worked on to date is my own data base because somewhere they're connected to my own family. I've found cousins I didn't know were cousins and in other cases if they're not actually cousins they're married to my cousins somewhere down the line, sometimes after they got to Oklahoma, but often way before they got here. It's pretty wild. And the one guy whose family is alone in that data base isn't actually related to any family, that I've found so far, but his 2nd great grandfather was the Commander of a Kentucky regiment fighting the Battle of New Orleans and another guy who is my cousin had a 2nd great grandfather in that very regiment fighting that very battle and here their grandsons are in OK and are the best of friends. We live in a small, small world genealogically speaking. Thanks Lou Ann

I only live a few minutes from Butler County, KY and would love any info on where these Lovelaces lived or were buried. Teri Steiner ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jeff Sengstack <jeff@sengstack.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 191 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:38:53 -0700 Jack, You are a treasure trove of well documented information. Thank you for bringing clarity to this common misconnection (I have included an abridged version of it with this reply). I am seeking just a little more clarity on your conclusions. Here's why: You say: "Andrew [son of Elias LOVELACE] is the father of Archibald who married Mary Ashley." But you go on to say: "In 1810, on the Butler County, Kentucky, census, Archibald Richard [LOVELACE] has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald who married Mary Ashley. In 1820, on the Ohio County, Kentucky, census, he does not have a son of the right age." So to paraphrase: 1) Are you saying that Archibald LOVELACE (father of Lemuel), is NOT the son of Archibald Richard LOVELACE (because of the lack of a tick mark in the 1820 census) while Andrew LOVELACE's tick marks consistently indicate a son of Archibald's age? 2) You state clearly that Archibald (the father of Lemuel) is the son of Andrew LOVELACE (m. Rebecca HOL[E]MAN). Are you saying you make that connection only from the tick marks on the census records? 3) And are you saying Archibald Richard LOVELACE is the son of Elias LOVELACE and the brother of Andrew LOVELACE? You note that there are four Archibalds: i) Archibald (son of Andrew) who married Mary ASHLEY (mother of Lemuel) and Delia UNKNOWN ii) Archibald (son of Thomas) who married Nancy HOL[E]MAN, Hannah MORRIS and Lutitia FERGUSON iii) Archibald Richard (son of Elias) who married UNKNOWN and Elizabeth DUPOSTURE iv) Archibald (son of John Baptist), b. 1761 (you wrote 1861 but I'm sure you meant 1761) who married Jean IRWIN Finally...I have a few more questions/requests: 1) Are Nancy and Rebecca HOL[E]MAN sisters? Are they daughters of William HOL[E]MAN and Elizabeth JOHNSON? I see that every family tree that shows up in an Ancestry.com search for the LOVELACE-HOLEMAN connection, spell HOLEMAN with an E. What say you? 2) If you don't mind, would you further clarify the Archibald issue by listing each Archibald LOVELACE's siblings and birth/death dates? That way I (and all other LOVELACE researchers) can be sure I have all the siblings in the right place. What that will clear up, for example, is who David S. LOVELACE is related to (you mentioned he married Delila Fletecher -- easily confused with Archibald and Delia) Re: PURDOM. In notes written by Inez "Gigi" LOVELACE, she refers to a Major SHELTON and his daughter Elizabeth SHELTON. Gigi goes on to say that Elizabeth SHELTON's first husband was Thomas ASHLEY and that Archibald married Mary ASHLEY, Thomas and Elizabeth's daughter. Elizabeth SHELTON later married a man with the surname GRIGGS and then married a man with the last name PURDOM. That is why Gigi referred to Elizabeth SHELTON as grandmother PURDOM. Once again Jack. You are doing all LOVELACE family tree researchers a great service. Take care, Jeff On 7/30/2010 12:01 AM, lovelace-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > Re: [LL] Two Archibald LOVELACEs b. abt. 1809 - numerous discrepancies > From: > "Jack D. Lovelace" <lovelacejackd@verizon.net> > Date: > Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:48:18 -0700 > > To: > lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > Jeff, > > As you are aware, Lemuel M. Lovelace appears on the 1850 census of > McCracken County, Kentucky in the household of Archibald Lovelace and > his wife Mary M. Lovelace. Archibald's age is given as 42 [born > 1807-1808]. Mary's age is given as 39 [born 1810-1811]. .... > > There is a marriage record in Carter County, Tennessee, for _*David S. > Lovelace and Delila Fletecher*_, on 16 Feb 1848. David and Delila are > found on the 1850 and 1860 census for McCracken County, Kentucky.... > > In 1830, there are actually two Archibald Lovelaces listed. The age > of the second Archibald is 50 & under 60. The age of his wife is 40 & > under 50. This is _*Archibald Richard Lovelace*_, born 28 Jun 1778 in > Rowan County, North Carolina, died 1831-1843 in McCracken County, > Kentucky, or Ballard County, Kentucky. ... > > Archibald Richard was married twice. The name of his first wife is > not known, but they were married between 1800 and 1807 in Logan > County, Kentucky. His second wife was Elizabeth Duposture. They were > married 14 Jun 1813 in Butler County, Kentucky. I do not know if > Duposture is Elizabeth's maiden name or her married name. > > In 1810, on the Butler County, Kentucky, census, Archibald Richard has > a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald who married > Mary Ashley. In 1820, on the Ohio County, Kentucky, census, he does > not have a son of the right age. > > Archibald Richard is the brother of Andrew Lovelace. Both are the > sons of Elias Lovelace and Anne Robey, grandsons of JBL and Eleanor > Wilcoxen. Andrew is the father of Archibald who married Mary Ashley. > > Andrew was born 03 Feb 1776 in Rowan County, North Carolina, and died > 11 Dec 1863 in Lovelaceville, McCracken County, Kentucky. > > There is a marriage bond record for the marriage of Andrew Lovelace > and Rebecca Holman, dated 06 Oct 1795, in Surry County, North > Carolina. Andrew was 19 years of age and Rebecca was also 19 years of > age. > > In 1810, Andrew is listed on the census for Butler County, Kentucky. > He has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald. > In 1820, Andrew is listed on the census for Butler County, Kentucky. > He has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald. > > Thomas A. Lovelace (1772-1829) and Amelia Permela Dyson (1777-1829) > also had a son named Archibald who was born 28 Mar 1806 in Iredell > County, North Carolina. This Archibald died in 1895 in Missouri. > Archibald, son of Thomas, married Nancy A. Holman (1809-1867) on 05 > Feb 1827 in Rowan County, North Carolina. > > Archibald, son of Thomas, married 2nd to Hannah F. Morris on 05 Jul > 1868 in Pettis County, Missouri, the widow of Amos H. Wheeler, and 3rd > to Lutitia Ferguson some time after 1880. > > Archibald Lovelace b: May 1861 in Frederick County, Maryland, d: about > 1847 in Wilkes County, North Carolina, son of JBL and Eleanor > Wilcoxen, married Jean Erwin on 08 Oct 1786 in Rowan County, North > Carolina. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Health Plans From $50/mo. Compare Low-Cost Health Plans Online. Blue Cross, Aetna and more. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c535e5d75e174d97east03duc

Dear Jeff; The only David Lovelace I have in my Lovelace family tree is the first born of Archiblad and Nancy A. Holmn. Born August 19, 1829. A brother to my grandfather James Martin Lovelace who was bron April 3, 1831. Denise Lovelace Kellenbeck -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Sengstack <jeff@sengstack.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:38 am Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 191 Jack, You are a treasure trove of well documented information. Thank you for ringing clarity to this common misconnection (I have included an bridged version of it with this reply). I am seeking just a little more larity on your conclusions. Here's why: You say: "Andrew [son of Elias LOVELACE] is the father of Archibald who arried Mary Ashley." But you go on to say: "In 1810, on the Butler County, Kentucky, census, rchibald Richard [LOVELACE] has a tick mark for a son of the right age o be Archibald who married Mary Ashley. In 1820, on the Ohio County, entucky, census, he does not have a son of the right age." So to paraphrase: 1) Are you saying that Archibald LOVELACE (father of Lemuel), is NOT the on of Archibald Richard LOVELACE (because of the lack of a tick mark in he 1820 census) while Andrew LOVELACE's tick marks consistently ndicate a son of Archibald's age? 2) You state clearly that Archibald (the father of Lemuel) is the son of ndrew LOVELACE (m. Rebecca HOL[E]MAN). Are you saying you make that onnection only from the tick marks on the census records? 3) And are you saying Archibald Richard LOVELACE is the son of Elias OVELACE and the brother of Andrew LOVELACE? You note that there are four Archibalds: i) Archibald (son of Andrew) who married Mary ASHLEY (mother of Lemuel) nd Delia UNKNOWN i) Archibald (son of Thomas) who married Nancy HOL[E]MAN, Hannah MORRIS nd Lutitia FERGUSON ii) Archibald Richard (son of Elias) who married UNKNOWN and Elizabeth UPOSTURE v) Archibald (son of John Baptist), b. 1761 (you wrote 1861 but I'm ure you meant 1761) who married Jean IRWIN Finally...I have a few more questions/requests: 1) Are Nancy and Rebecca HOL[E]MAN sisters? Are they daughters of illiam HOL[E]MAN and Elizabeth JOHNSON? I see that every family tree hat shows up in an Ancestry.com search for the LOVELACE-HOLEMAN onnection, spell HOLEMAN with an E. What say you? 2) If you don't mind, would you further clarify the Archibald issue by isting each Archibald LOVELACE's siblings and birth/death dates? That ay I (and all other LOVELACE researchers) can be sure I have all the iblings in the right place. What that will clear up, for example, is who David S. LOVELACE is elated to (you mentioned he married Delila Fletecher -- easily confused ith Archibald and Delia) Re: PURDOM. In notes written by Inez "Gigi" LOVELACE, she refers to a ajor SHELTON and his daughter Elizabeth SHELTON. Gigi goes on to say hat Elizabeth SHELTON's first husband was Thomas ASHLEY and that rchibald married Mary ASHLEY, Thomas and Elizabeth's daughter. lizabeth SHELTON later married a man with the surname GRIGGS and then arried a man with the last name PURDOM. That is why Gigi referred to lizabeth SHELTON as grandmother PURDOM. Once again Jack. You are doing all LOVELACE family tree researchers a reat service. Take care, eff On 7/30/2010 12:01 AM, lovelace-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Subject: Re: [LL] Two Archibald LOVELACEs b. abt. 1809 - numerous discrepancies From: "Jack D. Lovelace" <lovelacejackd@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:48:18 -0700 To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Jeff, As you are aware, Lemuel M. Lovelace appears on the 1850 census of McCracken County, Kentucky in the household of Archibald Lovelace and his wife Mary M. Lovelace. Archibald's age is given as 42 [born 1807-1808]. Mary's age is given as 39 [born 1810-1811]. .... There is a marriage record in Carter County, Tennessee, for _*David S. Lovelace and Delila Fletecher*_, on 16 Feb 1848. David and Delila are found on the 1850 and 1860 census for McCracken County, Kentucky.... In 1830, there are actually two Archibald Lovelaces listed. The age of the second Archibald is 50 & under 60. The age of his wife is 40 & under 50. This is _*Archibald Richard Lovelace*_, born 28 Jun 1778 in Rowan County, North Carolina, died 1831-1843 in McCracken County, Kentucky, or Ballard County, Kentucky. ... Archibald Richard was married twice. The name of his first wife is not known, but they were married between 1800 and 1807 in Logan County, Kentucky. His second wife was Elizabeth Duposture. They were married 14 Jun 1813 in Butler County, Kentucky. I do not know if Duposture is Elizabeth's maiden name or her married name. In 1810, on the Butler County, Kentucky, census, Archibald Richard has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald who married Mary Ashley. In 1820, on the Ohio County, Kentucky, census, he does not have a son of the right age. Archibald Richard is the brother of Andrew Lovelace. Both are the sons of Elias Lovelace and Anne Robey, grandsons of JBL and Eleanor Wilcoxen. Andrew is the father of Archibald who married Mary Ashley. Andrew was born 03 Feb 1776 in Rowan County, North Carolina, and died 11 Dec 1863 in Lovelaceville, McCracken County, Kentucky. There is a marriage bond record for the marriage of Andrew Lovelace and Rebecca Holman, dated 06 Oct 1795, in Surry County, North Carolina. Andrew was 19 years of age and Rebecca was also 19 years of age. In 1810, Andrew is listed on the census for Butler County, Kentucky. He has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald. In 1820, Andrew is listed on the census for Butler County, Kentucky. He has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald. Thomas A. Lovelace (1772-1829) and Amelia Permela Dyson (1777-1829) also had a son named Archibald who was born 28 Mar 1806 in Iredell County, North Carolina. This Archibald died in 1895 in Missouri. Archibald, son of Thomas, married Nancy A. Holman (1809-1867) on 05 Feb 1827 in Rowan County, North Carolina. Archibald, son of Thomas, married 2nd to Hannah F. Morris on 05 Jul 1868 in Pettis County, Missouri, the widow of Amos H. Wheeler, and 3rd to Lutitia Ferguson some time after 1880. Archibald Lovelace b: May 1861 in Frederick County, Maryland, d: about 1847 in Wilkes County, North Carolina, son of JBL and Eleanor Wilcoxen, married Jean Erwin on 08 Oct 1786 in Rowan County, North Carolina. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Dear Jeff; Gee there were lots of Archibald's. Archiblad who married Nancy Holman 8th child was Archiblad Levi Lovelace who by my record never married and died in Montana. Both my grandfather and great-greatgrandfather;s were Archibald's. Denise LOvleace Kellenbeck -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Sengstack <jeff@sengstack.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:49 am Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 191 Hi Denise, Thank you for your response. However, we are talking about two different rchibald LOVELACEs. Your Archibald is not the father of Lemuel. As noted by Jack LOVELACE in his response to my posting, the Archibald 'm looking for is the son of Andrew (who married Rebecca Holman -- ancy's sister?) I do appreciate the extra information you provided. It helps clarify the issouri LOVELACE line. Jeff On 7/30/2010 12:01 AM, lovelace-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Subject: Re: [LL] Two Archibald LOVELACEs b. abt. 1809 - numerous discrepancies From: kellenda@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:16:58 -0400 To: lovelace@rootsweb.com The Archibald you speak us is my great-great grandfather. My grandfather the on of James Martin Lovelace also was Archibald, he was Archibald Elam Lovelace. y records come from my dad- Dennis Alfred Lovelace, the son of Archibald Elam and his sister ddie. They personally new their grandfather James Martin the son of Archibald. Archibald Lovelace was B 1806. D 1905. M. Nacy A. Holman. He was married three imes, Nancy was the mother of all his children. 2nd wife's name Wheeler, 3rd ife Fisher. He was 84, she was 44. Archie& Nancy moved together with Sally& enry from North Carolina to Mo. in 1838, selling their land on Hunting Creek in N.C. Nancy was killed in a runaway accident returning home from Smithton , Mo. They ad gone to purchase their daughter Nancy's wedding clothes. This was before 1868. They had 9 children. David-b. 8/19/1829-Thomas b-4/3/1831-Elam-b-3/28/1833-Elizabeth b-6/23/1835-James Martin-b-4/23/1837-my great-grandfather-Alfred issouri-b-6/23/1839- Lucy Ann-b8/20/1845-Archibald Levi-b-5/24/1847-Nancy R. -b-3/28/1850 > According to my records Archibald's father was Thomas Lovelace. He married melia Dyson. Buried, Statesville,& N.C. Lewis graveyard, Indell Co. N.C. 1829. Eleanor ife of John Baptist Lovelace, Thomas's Lovelace's granmother buried in Lewis cemetery in 1776 Denise Lovelace Kellenbeck ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

My answer to your mystery is that Eleanor married a second time after becoming a widow. She married a man named Thomas Roby (Robey), a widower with several children. They moved to Rowan County which became Iredell County. Eleanor died in 1776 and is buried there. I had an uncle named Roby Lovelace, my dad's brother.,He was a correspondent for Portland, Oregon newspaper and was murdered in an alley in Portland, by whom was always a question but the family believed by the communist party. His wife and daughter moved to the Oregon coast and kept a very low profile. The daughter's name was Romaine Lovelace. She married an attorney and lived in Medford, Oregon for many years. Is now deceased. Roby La Vern Lovelace was born October 10, 1898 and died March 13, 1941. There is a family picture in Annie's Story taken the day of Roby's funeral. I am a small girl soitting in the front. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Sengstack <jeff@sengstack.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:15 am Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 191 Hello Scott, You have created an excellent website. Thanks for sharing it with the ovelace list members. You included several headstone photos (thumbnail-sized) of John Baptist nd Eleanor. Would you mind emailing me the full-sized versions? eff@sengstack.com You note that Eleanor's name was Eleanor ARCHIBALD. Other researchers ay her surname was WILCOXON. You note that Charles (son of John Baptist) married Sarah ROBEY. Most rees I've seen say he was married to Catherine BEALL (some list both pouses, giving the same marriage dates for each). Jeff On 7/30/2010 12:01 AM, lovelace-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Subject: Re: [LL] Two Archibald LOVELACEs b. abt. 1809 - numerous discrepancies From: Scott Williams <haywoodcountyline@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:36:25 -0700 (PDT) To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Thanks for that info. It helped me fill in some blanks on my Lovelace Family page. My ancestor is Thomas A. Lovelace who was Archibald's brother. If anyone else sees anything that needs correcting or have other info, let me know. I am new at this so be patient with me! http://haywoodcountyline.com/lovelacefamily.html Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Mornin' Cuzzies, Here we are at the end of July already and noooo colossal hurricanes.... just unbelievable! Ah kin dig it! Da Kid asked the other day if a cat 4 or 5 can barreling into Houston this summer what I would do....and I said I'd sit right here.....'cause the really worrisome big tree went down a couple of years ago. Wouldn't you run he asked. No way! Almost 100 people died on the way outta here on the highways last time because of the jam and the heat. Who needs that! But, I will be soooo glad to not worry about them anymore....period! ( : Well, I'm off to be Sadie, Sadie, Banking Lady.....Da Kid's in a snit abt. my handling this and that, but he forgets I've been thru this before with mah Momma. But, he tends to get in the middle of thingees trying to help and just makes a bigger mess. Po baby! Gonna get to 105 heat index today, so I'm outta here while it's still reasonable. Y'all take care, and have a good one! ( : Buckette

Hello Scott, You have created an excellent website. Thanks for sharing it with the Lovelace list members. You included several headstone photos (thumbnail-sized) of John Baptist and Eleanor. Would you mind emailing me the full-sized versions? jeff@sengstack.com You note that Eleanor's name was Eleanor ARCHIBALD. Other researchers say her surname was WILCOXON. You note that Charles (son of John Baptist) married Sarah ROBEY. Most trees I've seen say he was married to Catherine BEALL (some list both spouses, giving the same marriage dates for each). Jeff On 7/30/2010 12:01 AM, lovelace-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > Re: [LL] Two Archibald LOVELACEs b. abt. 1809 - numerous discrepancies > From: > Scott Williams <haywoodcountyline@yahoo.com> > Date: > Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:36:25 -0700 (PDT) > > To: > lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > Thanks for that info. It helped me fill in some blanks on my Lovelace Family > page. My ancestor is Thomas A. Lovelace who was Archibald's brother. > If anyone else sees anything that needs correcting or have other info, let me > know. I am new at this so be patient with me! > > http://haywoodcountyline.com/lovelacefamily.html > > Thanks, > > Scott > >

Hi Denise, Thank you for your response. However, we are talking about two different Archibald LOVELACEs. Your Archibald is not the father of Lemuel. As noted by Jack LOVELACE in his response to my posting, the Archibald I'm looking for is the son of Andrew (who married Rebecca Holman -- Nancy's sister?) I do appreciate the extra information you provided. It helps clarify the Missouri LOVELACE line. Jeff On 7/30/2010 12:01 AM, lovelace-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > Re: [LL] Two Archibald LOVELACEs b. abt. 1809 - numerous discrepancies > From: > kellenda@aol.com > Date: > Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:16:58 -0400 > > To: > lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > The Archibald you speak us is my great-great grandfather. My grandfather the son of James Martin Lovelace also was Archibald, he was Archibald Elam Lovelace. My records come > from my dad- Dennis Alfred Lovelace, the son of Archibald Elam and his sister Addie. > They personally new their grandfather James Martin the son of Archibald. > > Archibald Lovelace was B 1806. D 1905. M. Nacy A. Holman. He was married three times, Nancy was the mother of all his children. 2nd wife's name Wheeler, 3rd wife Fisher. He was 84, she was 44. Archie& Nancy moved together with Sally& Henry from North Carolina to > Mo. in 1838, selling their land on Hunting Creek in N.C. > > Nancy was killed in a runaway accident returning home from Smithton , Mo. They had > gone to purchase their daughter Nancy's wedding clothes. This was before 1868. > > They had 9 children. David-b. 8/19/1829-Thomas b-4/3/1831-Elam-b-3/28/1833-Elizabeth > b-6/23/1835-James Martin-b-4/23/1837-my great-grandfather-Alfred Missouri-b-6/23/1839- > Lucy Ann-b8/20/1845-Archibald Levi-b-5/24/1847-Nancy R. -b-3/28/1850 > > > According to my records Archibald's father was Thomas Lovelace. He married Amelia Dyson. > Buried, Statesville,& N.C. Lewis graveyard, Indell Co. N.C. 1829. Eleanor wife of John Baptist > Lovelace, Thomas's Lovelace's granmother buried in Lewis cemetery in 1776 > > Denise Lovelace Kellenbeck > > >

Jack, You are a treasure trove of well documented information. Thank you for bringing clarity to this common misconnection (I have included an abridged version of it with this reply). I am seeking just a little more clarity on your conclusions. Here's why: You say: "Andrew [son of Elias LOVELACE] is the father of Archibald who married Mary Ashley." But you go on to say: "In 1810, on the Butler County, Kentucky, census, Archibald Richard [LOVELACE] has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald who married Mary Ashley. In 1820, on the Ohio County, Kentucky, census, he does not have a son of the right age." So to paraphrase: 1) Are you saying that Archibald LOVELACE (father of Lemuel), is NOT the son of Archibald Richard LOVELACE (because of the lack of a tick mark in the 1820 census) while Andrew LOVELACE's tick marks consistently indicate a son of Archibald's age? 2) You state clearly that Archibald (the father of Lemuel) is the son of Andrew LOVELACE (m. Rebecca HOL[E]MAN). Are you saying you make that connection only from the tick marks on the census records? 3) And are you saying Archibald Richard LOVELACE is the son of Elias LOVELACE and the brother of Andrew LOVELACE? You note that there are four Archibalds: i) Archibald (son of Andrew) who married Mary ASHLEY (mother of Lemuel) and Delia UNKNOWN ii) Archibald (son of Thomas) who married Nancy HOL[E]MAN, Hannah MORRIS and Lutitia FERGUSON iii) Archibald Richard (son of Elias) who married UNKNOWN and Elizabeth DUPOSTURE iv) Archibald (son of John Baptist), b. 1761 (you wrote 1861 but I'm sure you meant 1761) who married Jean IRWIN Finally...I have a few more questions/requests: 1) Are Nancy and Rebecca HOL[E]MAN sisters? Are they daughters of William HOL[E]MAN and Elizabeth JOHNSON? I see that every family tree that shows up in an Ancestry.com search for the LOVELACE-HOLEMAN connection, spell HOLEMAN with an E. What say you? 2) If you don't mind, would you further clarify the Archibald issue by listing each Archibald LOVELACE's siblings and birth/death dates? That way I (and all other LOVELACE researchers) can be sure I have all the siblings in the right place. What that will clear up, for example, is who David S. LOVELACE is related to (you mentioned he married Delila Fletecher -- easily confused with Archibald and Delia) Re: PURDOM. In notes written by Inez "Gigi" LOVELACE, she refers to a Major SHELTON and his daughter Elizabeth SHELTON. Gigi goes on to say that Elizabeth SHELTON's first husband was Thomas ASHLEY and that Archibald married Mary ASHLEY, Thomas and Elizabeth's daughter. Elizabeth SHELTON later married a man with the surname GRIGGS and then married a man with the last name PURDOM. That is why Gigi referred to Elizabeth SHELTON as grandmother PURDOM. Once again Jack. You are doing all LOVELACE family tree researchers a great service. Take care, Jeff On 7/30/2010 12:01 AM, lovelace-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > Re: [LL] Two Archibald LOVELACEs b. abt. 1809 - numerous discrepancies > From: > "Jack D. Lovelace" <lovelacejackd@verizon.net> > Date: > Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:48:18 -0700 > > To: > lovelace@rootsweb.com > > > Jeff, > > As you are aware, Lemuel M. Lovelace appears on the 1850 census of > McCracken County, Kentucky in the household of Archibald Lovelace and > his wife Mary M. Lovelace. Archibald's age is given as 42 [born > 1807-1808]. Mary's age is given as 39 [born 1810-1811]. .... > > There is a marriage record in Carter County, Tennessee, for _*David S. > Lovelace and Delila Fletecher*_, on 16 Feb 1848. David and Delila are > found on the 1850 and 1860 census for McCracken County, Kentucky.... > > In 1830, there are actually two Archibald Lovelaces listed. The age > of the second Archibald is 50 & under 60. The age of his wife is 40 & > under 50. This is _*Archibald Richard Lovelace*_, born 28 Jun 1778 in > Rowan County, North Carolina, died 1831-1843 in McCracken County, > Kentucky, or Ballard County, Kentucky. ... > > Archibald Richard was married twice. The name of his first wife is > not known, but they were married between 1800 and 1807 in Logan > County, Kentucky. His second wife was Elizabeth Duposture. They were > married 14 Jun 1813 in Butler County, Kentucky. I do not know if > Duposture is Elizabeth's maiden name or her married name. > > In 1810, on the Butler County, Kentucky, census, Archibald Richard has > a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald who married > Mary Ashley. In 1820, on the Ohio County, Kentucky, census, he does > not have a son of the right age. > > Archibald Richard is the brother of Andrew Lovelace. Both are the > sons of Elias Lovelace and Anne Robey, grandsons of JBL and Eleanor > Wilcoxen. Andrew is the father of Archibald who married Mary Ashley. > > Andrew was born 03 Feb 1776 in Rowan County, North Carolina, and died > 11 Dec 1863 in Lovelaceville, McCracken County, Kentucky. > > There is a marriage bond record for the marriage of Andrew Lovelace > and Rebecca Holman, dated 06 Oct 1795, in Surry County, North > Carolina. Andrew was 19 years of age and Rebecca was also 19 years of > age. > > In 1810, Andrew is listed on the census for Butler County, Kentucky. > He has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald. > In 1820, Andrew is listed on the census for Butler County, Kentucky. > He has a tick mark for a son of the right age to be Archibald. > > Thomas A. Lovelace (1772-1829) and Amelia Permela Dyson (1777-1829) > also had a son named Archibald who was born 28 Mar 1806 in Iredell > County, North Carolina. This Archibald died in 1895 in Missouri. > Archibald, son of Thomas, married Nancy A. Holman (1809-1867) on 05 > Feb 1827 in Rowan County, North Carolina. > > Archibald, son of Thomas, married 2nd to Hannah F. Morris on 05 Jul > 1868 in Pettis County, Missouri, the widow of Amos H. Wheeler, and 3rd > to Lutitia Ferguson some time after 1880. > > Archibald Lovelace b: May 1861 in Frederick County, Maryland, d: about > 1847 in Wilkes County, North Carolina, son of JBL and Eleanor > Wilcoxen, married Jean Erwin on 08 Oct 1786 in Rowan County, North > Carolina.

Dear Larry , Wondered what happened . Going to ask you next week . Home address : Katherine Melton 87 N Partridge Run Henderson ,Ky 42420-9999 Cell Phone 1-270-869-5947 Home 270-827-1003 . I have lots of his letters Ms . Ada let me copy and the IGS has all of the I think . Ask Mrs . Miller or someone there . Thanks a lot . Maybe between us his work will live on . It was well recorded . Spent many a day with her . She was precious . I miss her so and realize how generous she was with me . Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry" <soupcan5@yadtel.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [LL] (no subject) > Katherine, > Could you please send me the attachment on the side (private email). I > have been asked to scan the T E Swann files in the Iredell vault and > would like to see if they are better than the other ones I have done > (really hard to follow and read) . > Also, if you send me a snail mail address, I will send a disk from the > other things we discussed. The email address I have for you will not > accept a large file! > Thanks > Larry > > > On 7/29/2010 10:20 PM, Katherine Melton wrote: >> This is a copy of Thomas and Amelia's bible from Faye Lovelace to Mr T.E. >> Swann in Statesville , NC tha I took from his personal files at his home >> . Thanks to his wife Mrs Ada Swann before she died . >> katherine82@insightbb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ NOD32 5318 (20100727) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, cuzzins... This is a good time to remind all of you that attachments are not allowed on Rootsweb mailing lists. Documents like this can be easily shared on the MyFamily site, or, in a more involved process, on our Loveless/Lovelace website hosted by Rootsweb. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg At 08:05 AM 7/30/2010, Larry wrote: > Katherine, > Could you please send me the attachment on the side (private email). >Thanks >Larry > > >On 7/29/2010 10:20 PM, Katherine Melton wrote: > > This is a copy of Thomas and Amelia's bible from Faye Lovelace to > Mr T.E. Swann in Statesville , NC tha I took from his personal > files at his home . Thanks to his wife Mrs Ada Swann before she died . > > katherine82@insightbb.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3038 - Release Date: 07/30/10 02:34:00

Katherine, Could you please send me the attachment on the side (private email). I have been asked to scan the T E Swann files in the Iredell vault and would like to see if they are better than the other ones I have done (really hard to follow and read) . Also, if you send me a snail mail address, I will send a disk from the other things we discussed. The email address I have for you will not accept a large file! Thanks Larry On 7/29/2010 10:20 PM, Katherine Melton wrote: > This is a copy of Thomas and Amelia's bible from Faye Lovelace to Mr T.E. Swann in Statesville , NC tha I took from his personal files at his home . Thanks to his wife Mrs Ada Swann before she died . > katherine82@insightbb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 5318 (20100727) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > >

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