Lou Ann, I went on ancestry.com and the only Lovelace in Rabun Co. was James back in 1840. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brondak@aol.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 9:19 AM Subject: [LL] Lucy Lovelace - Rabun Co GA > Hey Cuzzies: > I have found another Lucy Lovelace in Rabun Co GA and don't know who she > is. She supposedly > was born in Rabun Co ca 1875 and she married William Alford Hopper also > born ca 1875. I have > no further info. Does anyone out there have access to 1870 census > records > to check and she > if there was a Lovelace family back in Rabun Co in 1870? GA Barton's > sibs > went through there, > but much earlier than that and I don't think any went back, but wouldn't > swear to anything. > Many thanks > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Cuzzies: I have found another Lucy Lovelace in Rabun Co GA and don't know who she is. She supposedly was born in Rabun Co ca 1875 and she married William Alford Hopper also born ca 1875. I have no further info. Does anyone out there have access to 1870 census records to check and she if there was a Lovelace family back in Rabun Co in 1870? GA Barton's sibs went through there, but much earlier than that and I don't think any went back, but wouldn't swear to anything. Many thanks Lou Ann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lisaromie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.lovelace/366.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Granny Minnie Lovelace Parents: Cora Dees Lovelace and Grant Lovelace: Cora/Grant Parents: Jesse and Susan: Jesse/Susan: Children William H Lovlace born in TN in 1812 The part that I found intersttig was the Indian Ft. Loudon My mother: Parent of Minnie also told me that there was Indian in my grannys blood line This article may or may not relate William Lovelace, Sr, was a contractor on the Livingston to London star route and it was carried mule back to Carr Justice long before the railroad came to Livingston. With the coming of the railroad, the demand for extended services became so great that Jesse Lovelace and his brother purchased two stage coaches which they placed on daily schedules between the two points and kept in service until the railroad passenger service was extended to London on July 15, 1882. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Mornin' Cuzzies, Well, wouldn't you know it! Friday, the 13th! Well, said Scarlette here, I'm just gonna step over that one..... Now, the really biggie Little League Tournament is going to hold forth in Williamsport, PA, again, and the hot shot Houston team from Pearland just won the biggie Texas state championship, so they'll be going. You know, a Houston team wins it all about every 3 or 4 years. So, we'll all be pulling for Pearland. Of course, the heat continues to be horrific.....not telling you what you don't know. Abt. a week to go 'til school starts around here, and abt. 2 weeks to go to get thru August. Have a good one! ( : Buckette

Cuz Buckette, So terribly sorry for you loss. Please know that our love and prayers are with you and your family. I know that you are going through a big adjustment at this time and we may not be able to enjoy your great comments and updates for a while. But do take care of yourself, and we will pray that you heal with the comforting love of family and friends there in Houston and San Antonio. Via Con Dios on your journey home Love Your distant Cuz here in Michigan Bobby Garrett ( a transport from Houston !) ----- Original Message ----- From: <spice3@juno.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Thurs Aug 12, 2010 > Afternoon Cuzzies, > > Been fighting through a stack of papers over mah punkin' hed this > morn. Merrrceee me! I've had little yellow tablets by my side and > been writing copious notes to mysef.....and been trying to organize > them and go thru all that I need to do. Woooeee! > > In the meantime I'm going "home" and I'm really looking forward to > it! I will be moving from the grand, but highly dangerous, busy and > big Houston, to San Antonio which is not much better, but it will be to > my old neighborhood where all of us and our families have grown up > together. Lots of lifetime friends. And, I've wanted to go back for > years, and as you know.... and have visited so often. ( : > > Da Kid will stay in Houston which is *his* town. And, I'll probably > actually see him more often. They have a "Momma" bed for me..... > and a pool and a dawgie I'm in love w/. I'll trot over here often just > like I trotted back and forth to San Antonio. > > And, how am I really w/ Tony gone? Well, you know the drill when > you choose to live w/ a fella 10 yrs. older. And, it could be so much > worse now.....he could be struggling for life now and we could be > watching his body leave inch by inch. So, I'm so eternally grateful > to God for sparing him and sparing us so much heartache. Besides, > I'll catch him later..... ( : It's okay. It's a re-adjustment. We > have a > lotta those throughout our lives. > > Y'all have a good one! ( : > > Buckette > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Thank you for taking the time David. Much appreciated. My prayers are with you and your family during these times. James W Lovelace Kit 28975 is my second cousin both exact on the 12, 25 and 37 Markers. I with kit number 118154 for the 67 markers believe that James would also be identical if tested for 67 Markers thus I see no need for him to do so unless he would like to just to have the Certificate. His Grandfather and my Father were brothers. As I have mentioned many times our ancestors listed themselves as Irish on all census. It will be interesting to see where Charles and Lawrence results take the group. Thanks again. Wesley G. Lovelace Kit 118154 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmie Ryan" <jimmie.ryan@verizon.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [LL] Some comments on the RI/NY line based on DNA > Thanks cousin, for being distracted you sure can write a paper, my prayers > to your wife. Cousin Jimmie > > -----Original Message----- > From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of David Wilson > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:24 AM > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LL] Some comments on the RI/NY line based on DNA > > > My apologies to all for being so quiet. Greg asked me some time ago to > comment on the new DNA results that have come in for a member of the RI/NY > group, but I have just been unable to focus on the matter. Let me try to > summarize where we are. > > Eight members of the Lovelxxx DNA Project are members of the RI/NY group. > Their DNA haplotypes are all quite similar, but there is a little bit of > variation that points to some possible branching distinctions. > Interpreting > the data is a little difficult because not all of the individuals in this > group tested the same number of markers. > > These results can be seen on results page of the public Lovelxxx website > hosted by Family Tree DNA: > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.asp > x=&section=yresults > > This table is always up to date; results are posted to it automatically as > they are determined by the FTDNA lab. > > The eight individuals represented in this table are the following, > identified by kit number and name: (out of numerical order because this is > the way then appear in the FTDNA results table) > > 148905 Robt. Steele Lovelace, IV > 24397 Richard Eugene Loveless Jr. > 132407 Lawrence G. Loveless > 27606 Sherman Lovelace > 20027 Richard L. Lovelace > 28975 James W. Lovelace > 118154 Wesley G. Lovelace > 142948 William Robert Lovelace > > All eight of these individuals are identical on the first 12 markers, so > no > distinctions can be drawn there. No distinctions can be drawn on markers > 38-67 because so far we have results for these markers only for 118154. > Results are expected for these markers for 132407 within a month. Because > these last 30 markers in the 67 marker test are considered "slow-moving" > markers for the most part, I would not be surprised if the pending results > for 132407 are found to match the marker values for 118154 exactly. We > will > see. If it turns out that there is a difference on one marker, it will not > be possible to tell which of the two is the ancestral value and which is > the > derived value. Should this situation occur, we would need a "tiebreaker > test" of the most distantly related RI/NY individual we can determine to > see > which value is likelier to be the ancestral value. > > In our current state of knowledge, then, we can look only at differences > in > markers 13-37 to see if we can draw some lineage distinctions in this > group. > As it happens, there is one likely distinction: both 28975 and 118154 > share > the value 16 at DYS576; all other tested individuals (which is to say > everyone but 148905 and 24397, who tested only the first 12 markers) have > the value 15. The earliest known ancestor of 28975 is Jeremiah Loveless of > NY, b. 1743; the EKA of 118154 is John Loveless of Rhode Island, b. abt > 1700. > > Other group distinctions are harder to make, because remaining mutations > are > singletons within the entire group. For example, 142948 has DYS458=18; all > others who tested that marker show 17. The higher value is clearly a > marker > for the line of William Robert Lovelace, but we cannot know if the > mutation > occurred first in him, his father, his grandfather, or any particular > Lovelxxx back to the most recent common ancestor he shares with any other > member of the RI/NY group. > > Similarly, 20027 has DYS576=18, where all others have 17; 132407 has > DYS607=13 and CDYa=36 where all others have 14 and 37 respectively; and > 27606 has DYS570=18 and DYS442=13 where all the others have 17 and 12 > respectively. > > In the data set available to us, the distinctions between haplotypes are > mostly revealed by mutations in markers 26-37. The most useful thing that > could be done to find potential additional groupings would be for 148905 > and > 24397 to upgrade their results to 37 markers. There is no guarantee that > these tests would find anything, but negative matches can be as helpful as > positive matches in determining the shape of descendancy structures. > > I have tried to keep the -less and -lace spellings straight here, but my > eyes are so blurry this evening I can't guarantee that I have done so. My > apologies if I have misspelled anyone's name. I also hope I haven't made > any > typos in the kit numbers. > > I'll try to answer any questions that anyone may have, but I can't promise > to do so quickly. Some of you know that my wife has advanced Alzheimer's, > and I am pretty much a 24/7 caregiver. On those occasions when I have some > time, I can't always find the focus I need to deal with questions of > family > history. > > David Wilson > Maryland: Benjamin/Barton the Horse Thief/etc. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Afternoon Cuzzies, Been fighting through a stack of papers over mah punkin' hed this morn. Merrrceee me! I've had little yellow tablets by my side and been writing copious notes to mysef.....and been trying to organize them and go thru all that I need to do. Woooeee! In the meantime I'm going "home" and I'm really looking forward to it! I will be moving from the grand, but highly dangerous, busy and big Houston, to San Antonio which is not much better, but it will be to my old neighborhood where all of us and our families have grown up together. Lots of lifetime friends. And, I've wanted to go back for years, and as you know.... and have visited so often. ( : Da Kid will stay in Houston which is *his* town. And, I'll probably actually see him more often. They have a "Momma" bed for me..... and a pool and a dawgie I'm in love w/. I'll trot over here often just like I trotted back and forth to San Antonio. And, how am I really w/ Tony gone? Well, you know the drill when you choose to live w/ a fella 10 yrs. older. And, it could be so much worse now.....he could be struggling for life now and we could be watching his body leave inch by inch. So, I'm so eternally grateful to God for sparing him and sparing us so much heartache. Besides, I'll catch him later..... ( : It's okay. It's a re-adjustment. We have a lotta those throughout our lives. Y'all have a good one! ( : Buckette

I have still never gotten a test done from any of my uncles' sons - it would not be easy, but do you think it would be valuable? Joshua 1743 RI/NY.> David 176* NY>Joseph B. PA 1837>Charles William PA 187*>Elmer Oscar NY 1898>Esther Paula 1937 NY>Debra S. Zellweger Burke 1957 NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Wilson" <dcw1000@verizon.net> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: [LL] Addendum to note on RI/NY DNA > My apologies to Cindy Cary. I overlooked her father's DNA haplotype when I > posted my previous message. There are in fact nine members of the RI/NY > group in the Lovelxxx DNA project, not eight. > > Add: > > 177475 Charles William Loveless (37 markers tested) > > The interesting thing about this haplotype is that at every marker it has > the most common value for the entire RI/NY group. That makes this > haplotype > the Modal Haplotype (and quite possibly the founder haplotype) for the > RI/NY > group. When we see haplotypes that differ from this one, it is because a > mutation has occurred in the line leading from the founder to the tested > individual who shows the mutation. > > As always, it is tough to pick the generation in which a single mutation > occurred. It might have happened first in the tested individual himself, > or > it may have happened in the first generation after the most recent common > ancestor, or in any generation in between. > > Cindy, apologies once again. Your father's haplotype is quite valuable as > a > baseline to compare other RI/NY haplotypes against. > > David Wilson > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David Very vacinating the information you have given. I apeciate all you share with us. Thank you for taking time to give us the insite. My brother is Lawrence G Loveless and I am very patiently (not really :)) waiting for his test to be completed. B4 DNA testing always thought we had the horse thief and the Redcoat and Colonial Governors. O well it is all good to find out the correct info. Question for all which side ties to the Duke of Lovelace? Or have we been able to trace. Thank you. Betsy Ri/Ny group

Thanks cousin, for being distracted you sure can write a paper, my prayers to your wife. Cousin Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Wilson Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:24 AM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Some comments on the RI/NY line based on DNA My apologies to all for being so quiet. Greg asked me some time ago to comment on the new DNA results that have come in for a member of the RI/NY group, but I have just been unable to focus on the matter. Let me try to summarize where we are. Eight members of the Lovelxxx DNA Project are members of the RI/NY group. Their DNA haplotypes are all quite similar, but there is a little bit of variation that points to some possible branching distinctions. Interpreting the data is a little difficult because not all of the individuals in this group tested the same number of markers. These results can be seen on results page of the public Lovelxxx website hosted by Family Tree DNA: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.asp x=&section=yresults This table is always up to date; results are posted to it automatically as they are determined by the FTDNA lab. The eight individuals represented in this table are the following, identified by kit number and name: (out of numerical order because this is the way then appear in the FTDNA results table) 148905 Robt. Steele Lovelace, IV 24397 Richard Eugene Loveless Jr. 132407 Lawrence G. Loveless 27606 Sherman Lovelace 20027 Richard L. Lovelace 28975 James W. Lovelace 118154 Wesley G. Lovelace 142948 William Robert Lovelace All eight of these individuals are identical on the first 12 markers, so no distinctions can be drawn there. No distinctions can be drawn on markers 38-67 because so far we have results for these markers only for 118154. Results are expected for these markers for 132407 within a month. Because these last 30 markers in the 67 marker test are considered "slow-moving" markers for the most part, I would not be surprised if the pending results for 132407 are found to match the marker values for 118154 exactly. We will see. If it turns out that there is a difference on one marker, it will not be possible to tell which of the two is the ancestral value and which is the derived value. Should this situation occur, we would need a "tiebreaker test" of the most distantly related RI/NY individual we can determine to see which value is likelier to be the ancestral value. In our current state of knowledge, then, we can look only at differences in markers 13-37 to see if we can draw some lineage distinctions in this group. As it happens, there is one likely distinction: both 28975 and 118154 share the value 16 at DYS576; all other tested individuals (which is to say everyone but 148905 and 24397, who tested only the first 12 markers) have the value 15. The earliest known ancestor of 28975 is Jeremiah Loveless of NY, b. 1743; the EKA of 118154 is John Loveless of Rhode Island, b. abt 1700. Other group distinctions are harder to make, because remaining mutations are singletons within the entire group. For example, 142948 has DYS458=18; all others who tested that marker show 17. The higher value is clearly a marker for the line of William Robert Lovelace, but we cannot know if the mutation occurred first in him, his father, his grandfather, or any particular Lovelxxx back to the most recent common ancestor he shares with any other member of the RI/NY group. Similarly, 20027 has DYS576=18, where all others have 17; 132407 has DYS607=13 and CDYa=36 where all others have 14 and 37 respectively; and 27606 has DYS570=18 and DYS442=13 where all the others have 17 and 12 respectively. In the data set available to us, the distinctions between haplotypes are mostly revealed by mutations in markers 26-37. The most useful thing that could be done to find potential additional groupings would be for 148905 and 24397 to upgrade their results to 37 markers. There is no guarantee that these tests would find anything, but negative matches can be as helpful as positive matches in determining the shape of descendancy structures. I have tried to keep the -less and -lace spellings straight here, but my eyes are so blurry this evening I can't guarantee that I have done so. My apologies if I have misspelled anyone's name. I also hope I haven't made any typos in the kit numbers. I'll try to answer any questions that anyone may have, but I can't promise to do so quickly. Some of you know that my wife has advanced Alzheimer's, and I am pretty much a 24/7 caregiver. On those occasions when I have some time, I can't always find the focus I need to deal with questions of family history. David Wilson Maryland: Benjamin/Barton the Horse Thief/etc. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mornin' Cuzzies, Well, Da Kid and the Significant Squeeze are in Telluride, CO, great ski resort, for a few days with her two children who are jr. high age. He's been sending me pictures from there w/ his IPod, and it's a fascinating looking place, all nestled in a little valley in the midst of some very tall mountains <13,000 elev.> while Telluride is at 9,000 ft. I said I bet there are not too many older folks up there at all.... and Da Kid said 'tis true. Evidentally it's beyond hot and a very "in" place. They are staying in her father's cabin....abt. 1700 sq. ft. and on the market for sale at $2 mil plus. Boy! Did someone ever do a marketing number in selling it as a resort! Though in excellent physical condition, Da Kid says abt 8 in the evening, he is totally wiped out from the altitude. I can imagine! They go down the mountains on a hr. shuttle bus ride to Montrose where they will fly out tomorrow for Houston. Y'all have a good one! ( : Buckette

My apologies to Cindy Cary. I overlooked her father's DNA haplotype when I posted my previous message. There are in fact nine members of the RI/NY group in the Lovelxxx DNA project, not eight. Add: 177475 Charles William Loveless (37 markers tested) The interesting thing about this haplotype is that at every marker it has the most common value for the entire RI/NY group. That makes this haplotype the Modal Haplotype (and quite possibly the founder haplotype) for the RI/NY group. When we see haplotypes that differ from this one, it is because a mutation has occurred in the line leading from the founder to the tested individual who shows the mutation. As always, it is tough to pick the generation in which a single mutation occurred. It might have happened first in the tested individual himself, or it may have happened in the first generation after the most recent common ancestor, or in any generation in between. Cindy, apologies once again. Your father's haplotype is quite valuable as a baseline to compare other RI/NY haplotypes against. David Wilson

My apologies to all for being so quiet. Greg asked me some time ago to comment on the new DNA results that have come in for a member of the RI/NY group, but I have just been unable to focus on the matter. Let me try to summarize where we are. Eight members of the Lovelxxx DNA Project are members of the RI/NY group. Their DNA haplotypes are all quite similar, but there is a little bit of variation that points to some possible branching distinctions. Interpreting the data is a little difficult because not all of the individuals in this group tested the same number of markers. These results can be seen on results page of the public Lovelxxx website hosted by Family Tree DNA: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/default.aspx?/publicwebsite.asp x=&section=yresults This table is always up to date; results are posted to it automatically as they are determined by the FTDNA lab. The eight individuals represented in this table are the following, identified by kit number and name: (out of numerical order because this is the way then appear in the FTDNA results table) 148905 Robt. Steele Lovelace, IV 24397 Richard Eugene Loveless Jr. 132407 Lawrence G. Loveless 27606 Sherman Lovelace 20027 Richard L. Lovelace 28975 James W. Lovelace 118154 Wesley G. Lovelace 142948 William Robert Lovelace All eight of these individuals are identical on the first 12 markers, so no distinctions can be drawn there. No distinctions can be drawn on markers 38-67 because so far we have results for these markers only for 118154. Results are expected for these markers for 132407 within a month. Because these last 30 markers in the 67 marker test are considered "slow-moving" markers for the most part, I would not be surprised if the pending results for 132407 are found to match the marker values for 118154 exactly. We will see. If it turns out that there is a difference on one marker, it will not be possible to tell which of the two is the ancestral value and which is the derived value. Should this situation occur, we would need a "tiebreaker test" of the most distantly related RI/NY individual we can determine to see which value is likelier to be the ancestral value. In our current state of knowledge, then, we can look only at differences in markers 13-37 to see if we can draw some lineage distinctions in this group. As it happens, there is one likely distinction: both 28975 and 118154 share the value 16 at DYS576; all other tested individuals (which is to say everyone but 148905 and 24397, who tested only the first 12 markers) have the value 15. The earliest known ancestor of 28975 is Jeremiah Loveless of NY, b. 1743; the EKA of 118154 is John Loveless of Rhode Island, b. abt 1700. Other group distinctions are harder to make, because remaining mutations are singletons within the entire group. For example, 142948 has DYS458=18; all others who tested that marker show 17. The higher value is clearly a marker for the line of William Robert Lovelace, but we cannot know if the mutation occurred first in him, his father, his grandfather, or any particular Lovelxxx back to the most recent common ancestor he shares with any other member of the RI/NY group. Similarly, 20027 has DYS576=18, where all others have 17; 132407 has DYS607=13 and CDYa=36 where all others have 14 and 37 respectively; and 27606 has DYS570=18 and DYS442=13 where all the others have 17 and 12 respectively. In the data set available to us, the distinctions between haplotypes are mostly revealed by mutations in markers 26-37. The most useful thing that could be done to find potential additional groupings would be for 148905 and 24397 to upgrade their results to 37 markers. There is no guarantee that these tests would find anything, but negative matches can be as helpful as positive matches in determining the shape of descendancy structures. I have tried to keep the -less and -lace spellings straight here, but my eyes are so blurry this evening I can't guarantee that I have done so. My apologies if I have misspelled anyone's name. I also hope I haven't made any typos in the kit numbers. I'll try to answer any questions that anyone may have, but I can't promise to do so quickly. Some of you know that my wife has advanced Alzheimer's, and I am pretty much a 24/7 caregiver. On those occasions when I have some time, I can't always find the focus I need to deal with questions of family history. David Wilson Maryland: Benjamin/Barton the Horse Thief/etc.

Hi Jack, I have a question for you about your family's land in OK. You told me they took place in the run. Lo and behold, I have learned a piece of history I never knew since I've been working on this book. There were two runs that opened Cleveland County (yes, I knew there were other runs other places, but I didn't know there were two right here). Anyhow, Needmore, where your family was is in the part of the county that was opened in the second run. I can't believe I never knew that before, but I've discovered I'm not the only one who didn't. What happened was that Cleveland County was created by that first run and we abutted Indian Territory. After the run the government doled out the Indian land in 160 acre allotments to all the Indian inhabitants of that area and there was land left, so they opened up six more miles for settlement and had a second run selling those pieces of land for $1.25 an acre to the people who claimed them. That's the area where your family was. But my question is, do you have any info as to what section their land was in? I'm working on the Needmore story and your family is going to be mentioned as one of the early settlers of that area. Do you know when they sold out and went to CA? As I recall we talked about this once and it seems to me that it was real close to the time my grandpa's brother made that same trek. By being in that second run, your folks settled here in 1891. My Loveless family got here in 1896 and lived about four miles straight down the road from Needmore. They weren't in any runs. They bought their land from people who got it in the run and gave up on it. Thanks in advance Lou Ann

Mornin' Cuzzies, General Monday morn routine w/ a list longer than my arm to do. I'll just step in for a minute here. The PGA and golf is doing a sagging number.....Tiger has gone totally to hell, and Mickelson couldn't step up to the plate. Oh, me. The Oilers are out at it...in the heat.....not even for that kind of $ would they get me out there! Looking to open against Indianapolis. Hmmm.....lots of luck, boys! Reporters are actually out investigating stories these days, as they used to, telling us what is really going on rather that being spoon fed by the corporates what they think we ought to know. One has found that schools must spend millions on tutors that many say don't help. My, my..... So, --------->off to do thingees. Y'all have a good one! Susan

Mornin' Cuzzies, It's definitely the land of the heat.....everywhere. Read yesterday where they still think this is going to be a very heavy hurricane season, maybe between 8 and 12 storms. They are gonna have to line up in a hurry because we are whipping through August. Uncharacteristically we might all welcome one that wasn't a monster just to break the heat. Ah, me! Weather makes us straaaange folks..... o : It's the saga of the Lincoln town car.....this is the last year Lincoln plans to manufacture any. I've driven those little booger bears for 40 years, and you can't pry them away right now from their owners. Anyhoo, I'm on the trail like a bloodhound. ( : And, I have them standing in line for the one I'm currently driving which is 15 years old for goodness sakes! Would I buy a new one? No way! I'm an ole livestock breeder.....put that much money in something that doesn't reproduce? I couldn't do it! Most of the people driving the freeways in Houston bought their driver's license on the street corner and can't begin to read the road signs....and I want to mix it up w/ them in an expensive car? Don't think so! And, the po little chulins.....school's gonna start around here in a couple of weeks. They don't have a good time in school like we used to.....we all looooved school! ( : Y'all have a good one! I plan to..... Buckette

Mornin' Cuzzies, So, we continue on w/ the saga of the Buckley family....and we left off whereas the fathers of Wm F. Buckley, Jr., and Ole Buckley were working a ranch in Tampico, Mexico, w/ oiyle spewing every- where. W.F. Buckley, Sr., was tossed outta Mexico for life, and he gathered up his family and moved to New York wherein his children went to school in Europe. The younger two brothers stayed in Mexico and sent their children to the east coast to prep schools as the children reached high school....including Ole Buckley who went to Lawrenceville School in New Jersey. And, that's how Ole Buckley and Wm F., Jr., are lst cuzzies and the grandsons of the lst non-gun totin' sheriff of Duval Co. in South Texas. There was an old, beautiful Spanish style villa in San Antonio that Ole Buckley's uncle lived in when he came to the US. The uncle's daughter had a lovely wedding in the yard one year, and all the cuzzies came to the home for piano lessons every week. After the war in 1946, my family bought the home and I was raised in this same house as my family owned it for over 30 years. o : I probably met Ole Buckley when I was a teenager and he was in his 20's and was the biggie bachelor for the next 20+ years in Houston, various other cities, and Argentina wherein he was a petroleum engineer for their biggest water flood production of oil, mainly because he was bi-lingual. He and his brothers were big U of Texas grads, wherein the other Buckleys graduated from Yale. So, y'all have a good one today.....I'm off to take Mr. Kat to the vet. He's feeling a little poorly. Buckette

Hi Linda, My appologies for the mixup. I didn't intend to send the message to the list. The Hebrew text is a comparison with a rape case in Israel. Talila       --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Linda Barr <barrwalker@comcast.net> wrote: From: Linda Barr <barrwalker@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [LL] date-rape drug צמ To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 3:30 AM Talila, English, please. Wasn't smart enough in my younger days to get multi-lingual :-) Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Talila Stan" <talilastan@yahoo.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [LL] date-rape drug צמ > > > --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Linda Barr <barrwalker@comcast.net> wrote: > > > From: Linda Barr <barrwalker@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [LL] Monday night > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 5:42 AM > > > Hang in there Greg. Your Maya seems to attract bad karma (or is that the > wrong people?) like my Kaylynn does. It could be worse though. My > daughter's > newest "friend" invited her over for a drink, we think he slipped > something > like a date-rape drug in it and she ended up tazered and in jail for > "being > on drugs" instead of taken to a hospital after she was found half-dressed, > barefoot, and covered in bruises and blood, totally incoherent/hysterical > with no memory of the hours after she left my house. > Linda > > > > > > אהה, בזה עוסקת משטרת ישראל לנוכח הפשיעה הגואה והאיום על בטחונו האישי של כל > אזרח במדינה מצד ארגוני פשע ובריונים אלימים. אין לה מטלות דחופות אחרות מלבד > חיפוש גברים צעירים שהוטרדו מינית בידי רב שממילא שמו הטוב כבר היה למרמס > וציידי מכשפות בציבור שלו עטים עליו כנשרים על גויה. פעם חשבתי שמי שרואה > עצמו קורבן למעשה פלילי יתלונן מעצמו במשטרה ולא יהא צורך "לאתר אותו" > במאמצים כבירים. האם עלי לציין שאני חילונית? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Lovelace" <greglovelace@comcast.net> > To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:40 PM > Subject: [LL] Monday night > > >> Hi, cuzzins >> >> Thought I'd try to pop in and pen a little note while Buckette is >> slogging away trying to get ready to move. It has been a busy summer >> here in the SC Lowcountry. I have taken, for my health's sake, to >> trying some sort of exercise at the gym most days, and have even >> taken up a once-a-week yoga practice... called "Gentle and >> Restorative" ...in an effort to increase my fairly poor >> flexibility. I hit the big Six-oh in April and am unready by any >> means to check out. So I've been averaging about 4 miles on my >> workouts, some on the elliptical machine and some on the track. I've >> amazed myself lately in being able to run two miles straight on the >> track. So, even though my weight is only down about 10 pounds from >> its max in January, I feel a lot better, except at night after >> exercising! >> >> The family, as families do, continues on. Both girls are still here >> in Charleston. Older daughter Sara keeps plugging away at her retail >> job, unwilling to try to get out of that rut and into something >> making more money. She seems perfectly satisfied that we make her >> car payment, her insurance payment, and her college loan >> payment. Hey, why not? I'd be perfectly satisffied too! We have >> *got* to wean that child soon. Younger daughter Maya has hit a >> really bad patch lately. She finally did break up with "the boy" >> after 5 years, but not before co-signing a note for a car. So here's >> what all happened: >> >> She broke up and moved out into our house. >> She moved in with a couple of wackos in an apartment in a dubious >> section of town. >> "The boy" let the insurance on the car lapse, and both his and Maya's >> drivers licenses were revoked. It cost her $400 to get back. >> She lost her job and was on a depression that kept her from trying to >> find another. >> She totaled her car. >> Her apartment was broken into, and she had several things taken, >> including $200. >> >> So it has really been a bad summer for her. She did get a new job a >> couple weeks ago, and now has bought another car. She is preparing >> to move in with us again and hopefully will be gettting her life >> somewhat together again. >> >> Susan continues to stay with her job, even though it is forever >> changing and keeping her from knowing exactly what her job is. There >> is a new director at the lab, and her direction has become really >> unclear. Susan is teaching a course at College of Charleston this >> fall, and is hoping to forge a relationship with the college in the >> hope of maybe teaching there full-time. >> >> Me? I keep doing the same ol' stuff, just different days. It's >> actually OK, but I really don't like the stress. I'd love to retire >> again and try to be a professional genealogist. Fat chance of that, >> though. I'm still trying to figure out what my market would be. But >> I have joined the National Genealogical Society and I hope soon to >> take their home study course. This would be a first step in trying >> to get a certification. I've been thinking about that for a long >> time. Maybe this time I'll finally follow through on it. >> >> So, that's about it from here. Aside from this being the hottest >> summer I have ever seen, all is going well. Hope you are all doing >> well, too :-) >> >> Peace, >> Part of the Tree, >> Greg >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3045 - Release Date: 08/02/10 > 00:35:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi, folks And hello to Rita Marie Lovelace <rmlovelace@charter.net> Welcome to the group, Rita. When you get comfortable with us, let us know who you're researching, and we'll do our best to help you connect. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit our website at <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling the confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and Loveless families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website (<http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/>http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA website (<http://dna.satmel.com/results.html>http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! We now also have a companion website on MyFamily.com. If you're not familiar with that organization, to go <http://www.myfamily.com>http://www.myfamily.com and read to find out a little more about it. If you'd like to be invited to join that site, please email me at < <mailto:greglovelace@comcast.net>greglovelace@comcast.net>. Glad to have with us :-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg