On Jan 28, 2010 you give on the rool call a Robert Corbin. Can you give me any information about him. Who were his parents and grandparents and where they are from. You can email @ DEhucks@gmail.com

Whatever the beliefs of the Mormons, the point is, and all I'm saying is that because of their work in gathering all this information and having it available for free to all people, that we should not jump on their beliefs in a derogatory manner on this list or anywhere else.  The Mormons have done more for genealogical research than anyone anywhere.  The Mormons   have research centers all around the country, where anyone, no matter what your religion or beliefs can go and look at records from all over the world. Records that most of us cannot travel all the places we  would need to go to find those records on our own.  I for one am grateful for that.  I have been to their family centers for research many times and not once have any of them ever tried to convert me or asked for my information so that they could pray my ancestors into Heaven.    Whether or not we agree or disagree with their beliefs is totally beside the point.  I don't really know much about their beliefs and frankly I don't care what they believe , they have gathered in the records, made them available to all, so all I'm saying is that we don't need to be knocking anyone or anything on this list, especially people's religion, politics or family. For whatever reasons we all relish the hunt.  Of course we run across errors in our research, there are many out there, and not just from people putting undocumented information on ancestry or wherever, but in census records, marriage records, there are possibilites for errors everywhere.  That is why we stress doing your own research , documenting your own findings , so that we know for a fact or not that so and so was so and so's father, or at least we know who the father is according to the records, right or wrong. Nancy Lovelace Gooch Atlanta, Ga ----- Original Message ----- From: "S B" <research33@hotmail.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:45:19 AM Subject: Re: [LL] Mormon doctrine etc Nancy and Harvey: Mormonism is a very dangerous topic.  I WILL say as the g-granddaughter of one of the "High 12"....  YES, Mormons do indeed do the research for the specific purpose of "praying them into Heaven" Mormons believe in the "baptism of the dead" and that one must perform baptisms on behalf of dead relatives/ancestors so that those relatives are not left lingering in their version of purgatory and also to assure your own place in the Celestial Kingdom- individuals are called to research on behalf of LDS as their "works" on earth.   My grandparents were adamant when my father died that he must have a proxy baptism, even though he was strongly anti-Mormon and believed strongly that Mormonism was a cult (He broke the Mormonism chain in our branch of the family).  Against his wishes and mine, I found out doing genealogy research that indeed, a proxy-baptism was performed for him.  I also found that my grandmother was one of the head researchers for LDS... for the purpose of proxy-baptism for deceased individuals.   So, to some extent, Harvey is correct. -SB                                                   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think one of the cool things about genealogy is that it promotes sharing. When I first got into genealogy, I was more closed-minded. I wanted to complete my own project but didn't really have a feeling for what other people were going through. I emailed Greg Lovelace and he shared EVERYTHING he had with me. I'd never experienced that kind of sharing and generosity in my life. It was a new experience for me. It changed me, and I'm now a better person (I hope). Everyone is at a different stage in their own personal understanding of the world. We can help those that don't understand by loving them and sharing with them. There is a song that was written by the son of a preacher about a family reunion that has a line in it that says "I love a lot of people I don't like." Life is full of surprises. Expect some good ones! :-) Wendy Loveless Waldron

Nancy and Harvey: Mormonism is a very dangerous topic. I WILL say as the g-granddaughter of one of the "High 12".... YES, Mormons do indeed do the research for the specific purpose of "praying them into Heaven" Mormons believe in the "baptism of the dead" and that one must perform baptisms on behalf of dead relatives/ancestors so that those relatives are not left lingering in their version of purgatory and also to assure your own place in the Celestial Kingdom- individuals are called to research on behalf of LDS as their "works" on earth. My grandparents were adamant when my father died that he must have a proxy baptism, even though he was strongly anti-Mormon and believed strongly that Mormonism was a cult (He broke the Mormonism chain in our branch of the family). Against his wishes and mine, I found out doing genealogy research that indeed, a proxy-baptism was performed for him. I also found that my grandmother was one of the head researchers for LDS... for the purpose of proxy-baptism for deceased individuals. So, to some extent, Harvey is correct. -SB

I'm going to apologize to everyone right off the bat for starting something here on the list....I KNOW I shouldn't say this..........HOWEVER....sometimes I just can't NOT say something and you may atribute this to my advanced age, as I have decided at this point in my life that most of my life I have held my tongue but these last few years (hopefully a lot of them) I have left, I have decided that I might as well say what I feel, so this is how I feel. Dear Harvey,       You make some very good points, and one very bad one.  First of all, the Mormons have done more than any other people, group, whatever to try to gather genealogical information and give free access to everyone.  Secondly, I do not think that any of them would knowingly submit bad information, and I especially don't think that they would do this in order to "Pray someone into Heaven". I don't know ALOT about Mormon doctrince but I don't think that is part of their doctrine, and I really resent your implying that "many" of them do this.       My Mother was a Mormon, who worked all her life on genealogy and she was the reason for my interest in it that began when I was a teenager in the 60's.  I think we all as researchers of our genealogy owe a debt of gratitude to the Mormons who have worked very hard to promote researching family lines. And as Forrest said " that's all I have to say about that. Nancy Lovelace Gooch From: "Harvey Bottoms" <harveybottoms@sbcglobal.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:30:28 AM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated At least you don't have someone that declares himself the complete authority and if you disagree or question any of their information then you have performed the unpardonable sin.  I tried to work with an individual who had a different slant on part of my distant family.  I thought that the interchange of ideas would be great.  It could allow us to explore the various possibilities.  I discovered in a hurry that this individual didn't want interchange.  He was right, any thing that didn't agree with his thoughts was wrong and there were no chance that he would ever change his information.  Well, I made a copy of this indivdual's information so that I could think about it and use it as a possibility but in retrospect, he had to jump loops in many cases to come to the conclusions that he did.  I also have had similar problems with my gggg-grandmother.  The Mormon site has an incorrect maiden name which has been published far and wide.  I have a deed from 1723 which shows her maiden name, who her father was, etc. but the erroneous information still persists.  I have another line where my relative married in Virginia and moved to Alabama.  The Virginia information shows clearly who her parents were but they picked up some stranger in Alabama and made him her father.  I had difficulty persuading the researcher even though I sent him the documentation.  Genealogy is practiced by too many people who want to be related to someone famous or something similar and really don't want to be genealogist.  Many of the Mormons have been known to be loose with their information just so that they could have someone to pray into Heaven.  Please don't get me wrong, there are good genealogists out there and this Lovelace list is definitely one that perpetuates the best.   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would scan the document and add it to your media for this individual, it will come up in ancestry as a new file (the little tree) and then everyone that has it wrong will get this image with the proper information, at least that would all other "fact" based researchers the tool they need to start the change of years of the wrong file going around, I know I have my past "data" coming back to me at each "little tree" I get in my 80,000 people file. Cuz Jimmie In finally HOT Southern California (well if you call 93 hot for a desert (well beach front)!) -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Gooch Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:57 AM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: [LL] Speaking of IRRITATED I'm going to apologize to everyone right off the bat for starting something here on the list....I KNOW I shouldn't say this..........HOWEVER....sometimes I just can't NOT say something and you may atribute this to my advanced age, as I have decided at this point in my life that most of my life I have held my tongue but these last few years (hopefully a lot of them) I have left, I have decided that I might as well say what I feel, so this is how I feel. Dear Harvey, You make some very good points, and one very bad one. First of all, the Mormons have done more than any other people, group, whatever to try to gather genealogical information and give free access to everyone. Secondly, I do not think that any of them would knowingly submit bad information, and I especially don't think that they would do this in order to "Pray someone into Heaven". I don't know ALOT about Mormon doctrince but I don't think that is part of their doctrine, and I really resent your implying that "many" of them do this. My Mother was a Mormon, who worked all her life on genealogy and she was the reason for my interest in it that began when I was a teenager in the 60's. I think we all as researchers of our genealogy owe a debt of gratitude to the Mormons who have worked very hard to promote researching family lines. And as Forrest said " that's all I have to say about that. Nancy Lovelace Gooch From: "Harvey Bottoms" <harveybottoms@sbcglobal.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:30:28 AM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated At least you don't have someone that declares himself the complete authority and if you disagree or question any of their information then you have performed the unpardonable sin. I tried to work with an individual who had a different slant on part of my distant family. I thought that the interchange of ideas would be great. It could allow us to explore the various possibilities. I discovered in a hurry that this individual didn't want interchange. He was right, any thing that didn't agree with his thoughts was wrong and there were no chance that he would ever change his information. Well, I made a copy of this indivdual's information so that I could think about it and use it as a possibility but in retrospect, he had to jump loops in many cases to come to the conclusions that he did. I also have had similar problems with my gggg-grandmother. The Mormon site has an incorrect maiden name which has been published far and wide. I have a deed from 1723 which shows her m! aiden name, who her father was, etc. but the erroneous information still persists. I have another line where my relative married in Virginia and moved to Alabama. The Virginia information shows clearly who her parents were but they picked up some stranger in Alabama and made him her father. I had difficulty persuading the researcher even though I sent him the documentation. Genealogy is practiced by too many people who want to be related to someone famous or something similar and really don't want to be genealogist. Many of the Mormons have been known to be loose with their information just so that they could have someone to pray into Heaven. Please don't get me wrong, there are good genealogists out there and this Lovelace list is definitely one that perpetuates the best. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret, Great idea...but I already tried it. No one is listed under that name in that area.  So many people have cell phones instead of home phones now days that it's getting harder to find people!  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Margaret Perkkio <mperkkio@yahoo.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 10:01:30 AM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Rita, if you have her name and area she is from, checking internet for phone number and contacting her by phone might be another avenue.  A couple of times after several emails, I found this has proved quite fruitful and helped both parties.  Just another thought.  Margaret --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Rita <brnwyn98@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Rita <brnwyn98@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LL] irritated To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 8:49 AM I completely agree with you Greg!  I do try to check multiple sources for all dates and places. Sometimes you only have one to go on though so it's tough.  My biggest beef is that she has my G grandmothers last name wrong.  I have several pieces of documentation that list the correct one.  If someone was to look at her tree they would go off in a completely wrong direction for that side of the family!  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 9:37:20 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Hey again, Rita At 03:36 PM 8/23/2010, you wrote: >I have birth & death certificates plus a few marrige certificates >for the people they are posting incorrect information on....so I >KNOW my info is correct! Just a word of caution here.  It is possible that birth and death certificates contain information that is not accurate.  The information given on those documents is sometimes provided during a time of stress (especially death certificates) and subject to being mis-remembered by the informant.  Sometimes the mother of an infant will attribute fatherhood to her husband when she had a dalliance with another man and got pregnant.  There are all manners of circumstances which might result in incorrect data on some of these sources, so it is best to take care when avowing that your data is correct.  I always try to get multiple corroborative sources whenever possible.  You can never have too much evidence, but having too little is all too common. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What bothers me the most is a cousin of my Mothers who has the ONLY known picture of her Grandparents. Her Grandmother died two days before she was born so she never got to know her.  The cousin has 'graciously' sent me a copy of the photo. But it isn't a good one. I have asked her repeatedly over the years to PLEASE let me borrow it long enough to get a good scan and copy of it so I can pass it along. She REFUSES to part with it and has already stated that she will be donating all of her family research to a local library.  She married my Mothers cousin.....she isn't blood.  We are!      She found the pic in a purse that was my G Grandmothers that she somehow got ahold of.  Why can't she be NICE and share it with the rest of the family????  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Harvey Bottoms <harveybottoms@sbcglobal.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 10:30:28 AM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated At least you don't have someone that declares himself the complete authority and if you disagree or question any of their information then you have performed the unpardonable sin.  I tried to work with an individual who had a different slant on part of my distant family.  I thought that the interchange of ideas would be great.  It could allow us to explore the various possibilities.  I discovered in a hurry that this individual didn't want interchange.  He was right, any thing that didn't agree with his thoughts was wrong and there were no chance that he would ever change his information.  Well, I made a copy of this indivdual's information so that I could think about it and use it as a possibility but in retrospect, he had to jump loops in many cases to come to the conclusions that he did.  I also have had similar problems with my gggg-grandmother.  The Mormon site has an incorrect maiden name which has been published far and wide.  I have a deed from 1723 which shows her maiden name, who her father was, etc. but the erroneous information still persists.  I have another line where my relative married in Virginia and moved to Alabama.  The Virginia information shows clearly who her parents were but they picked up some stranger in Alabama and made him her father.  I had difficulty persuading the researcher even though I sent him the documentation.  Genealogy is practiced by too many people who want to be related to someone famous or something similar and really don't want to be genealogist.  Many of the Mormons have been known to be loose with their information just so that they could have someone to pray into Heaven.  Please don't get me wrong, there are good genealogists out there and this Lovelace list is definitely one that perpetuates the best. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At least you don't have someone that declares himself the complete authority and if you disagree or question any of their information then you have performed the unpardonable sin.  I tried to work with an individual who had a different slant on part of my distant family.  I thought that the interchange of ideas would be great.  It could allow us to explore the various possibilities.  I discovered in a hurry that this individual didn't want interchange.  He was right, any thing that didn't agree with his thoughts was wrong and there were no chance that he would ever change his information.  Well, I made a copy of this indivdual's information so that I could think about it and use it as a possibility but in retrospect, he had to jump loops in many cases to come to the conclusions that he did.  I also have had similar problems with my gggg-grandmother.  The Mormon site has an incorrect maiden name which has been published far and wide.  I have a deed from 1723 which shows her maiden name, who her father was, etc. but the erroneous information still persists.  I have another line where my relative married in Virginia and moved to Alabama.  The Virginia information shows clearly who her parents were but they picked up some stranger in Alabama and made him her father.  I had difficulty persuading the researcher even though I sent him the documentation.  Genealogy is practiced by too many people who want to be related to someone famous or something similar and really don't want to be genealogist.  Many of the Mormons have been known to be loose with their information just so that they could have someone to pray into Heaven.  Please don't get me wrong, there are good genealogists out there and this Lovelace list is definitely one that perpetuates the best.

Rita, if you have her name and area she is from, checking internet for phone number and contacting her by phone might be another avenue.  A couple of times after several emails, I found this has proved quite fruitful and helped both parties.  Just another thought.  Margaret --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Rita <brnwyn98@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Rita <brnwyn98@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [LL] irritated To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 8:49 AM I completely agree with you Greg!  I do try to check multiple sources for all dates and places. Sometimes you only have one to go on though so it's tough.  My biggest beef is that she has my G grandmothers last name wrong.  I have several pieces of documentation that list the correct one.  If someone was to look at her tree they would go off in a completely wrong direction for that side of the family!  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 9:37:20 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Hey again, Rita At 03:36 PM 8/23/2010, you wrote: >I have birth & death certificates plus a few marrige certificates >for the people they are posting incorrect information on....so I >KNOW my info is correct! Just a word of caution here.  It is possible that birth and death certificates contain information that is not accurate.  The information given on those documents is sometimes provided during a time of stress (especially death certificates) and subject to being mis-remembered by the informant.  Sometimes the mother of an infant will attribute fatherhood to her husband when she had a dalliance with another man and got pregnant.  There are all manners of circumstances which might result in incorrect data on some of these sources, so it is best to take care when avowing that your data is correct.  I always try to get multiple corroborative sources whenever possible.  You can never have too much evidence, but having too little is all too common. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I completely agree with you Greg!  I do try to check multiple sources for all dates and places. Sometimes you only have one to go on though so it's tough.  My biggest beef is that she has my G grandmothers last name wrong.  I have several pieces of documentation that list the correct one.  If someone was to look at her tree they would go off in a completely wrong direction for that side of the family!  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 9:37:20 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Hey again, Rita At 03:36 PM 8/23/2010, you wrote: >I have birth & death certificates plus a few marrige certificates >for the people they are posting incorrect information on....so I >KNOW my info is correct! Just a word of caution here.  It is possible that birth and death certificates contain information that is not accurate.  The information given on those documents is sometimes provided during a time of stress (especially death certificates) and subject to being mis-remembered by the informant.  Sometimes the mother of an infant will attribute fatherhood to her husband when she had a dalliance with another man and got pregnant.  There are all manners of circumstances which might result in incorrect data on some of these sources, so it is best to take care when avowing that your data is correct.  I always try to get multiple corroborative sources whenever possible.  You can never have too much evidence, but having too little is all too common. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lori, Thank you for putting a different perspective on this.  I have been writing to this woman for over a year. I know she's still working on this line because she has been posting things on a regular basis.  I just wish she would have the courtesy to at least respond to my emails.  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Lori Lovelace <lori_lovelace@charter.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 9:28:22 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated I will offer a defense of the person that has not revised their tree based on your comments.  When I first started, I used Ancestry.com and I am sure there are some wrong entries.  I know use FTM and need to publish to Ancestry.com to clean up that tree.  I had a family member contact me regarding something that I had listed for the Donalson family.  We exchanged a couple of emails and it is possible my entry is wrong but I don't want to clean anything up until I fully research the issue myself.  However, I have been very focused on the Lovelace family that it will be quite some time before I get back to that issue. So perhaps there is a Donalson family member that is quite irritated with me right now but it is not that I don't care but that I have other priorities right now that I am working on.  From my experience the majority of the members on Ancestry.com just click away and don't check sources or reasonableness of the trees that they are importing.  At the same time I have been stuck and took the risk on someone's tree later to find the necessary source documents to support that entry.  Public Trees can be both good and bad.  I would just focus on listing the sources for your tree because members that care like myself will pay attention and rely on your information rather than the other family. Lori Me > James Leonard > Holt > Lynn Boyd > Robey R > Archibald > Elias > JBL

Hey again, Rita At 03:36 PM 8/23/2010, you wrote: >I have birth & death certificates plus a few marrige certificates >for the people they are posting incorrect information on....so I >KNOW my info is correct! Just a word of caution here. It is possible that birth and death certificates contain information that is not accurate. The information given on those documents is sometimes provided during a time of stress (especially death certificates) and subject to being mis-remembered by the informant. Sometimes the mother of an infant will attribute fatherhood to her husband when she had a dalliance with another man and got pregnant. There are all manners of circumstances which might result in incorrect data on some of these sources, so it is best to take care when avowing that your data is correct. I always try to get multiple corroborative sources whenever possible. You can never have too much evidence, but having too little is all too common. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

I will offer a defense of the person that has not revised their tree based on your comments. When I first started, I used Ancestry.com and I am sure there are some wrong entries. I know use FTM and need to publish to Ancestry.com to clean up that tree. I had a family member contact me regarding something that I had listed for the Donalson family. We exchanged a couple of emails and it is possible my entry is wrong but I don't want to clean anything up until I fully research the issue myself. However, I have been very focused on the Lovelace family that it will be quite some time before I get back to that issue. So perhaps there is a Donalson family member that is quite irritated with me right now but it is not that I don't care but that I have other priorities right now that I am working on. From my experience the majority of the members on Ancestry.com just click away and don't check sources or reasonableness of the trees that they are importing. At the same time I have been stuck and took the risk on someone's tree later to find the necessary source documents to support that entry. Public Trees can be both good and bad. I would just focus on listing the sources for your tree because members that care like myself will pay attention and rely on your information rather than the other family. Lori Me > James Leonard > Holt > Lynn Boyd > Robey R > Archibald > Elias > JBL -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:37 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Greg, Thank you! I knew someone on here would be able to help me.  The worst part about this is that the family that is posting only live a few miles from me!! I would love to get together and compare what we all have and get it all right.  I have birth & death certificates plus a few marrige certificates for the people they are posting incorrect information on....so I KNOW my info is correct!  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 3:33:04 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Hey, Rita At 02:40 PM 8/23/2010, you wrote: >... in Ancestry.com. There are 3 people who are posting incorrect >information on several of them!  I have written them numerous emails >asking to compare notes and figure out what is the correct >information but have received no replies... Anyone have a suggestion >of what to do? Unfortunately, this is the way things are in these days of internet genealogy.  What you need to do is make sure of your own data and sources, and make sure that anything you post is properly sourced.  This way you can cover *your* butt if someone comes after you  :-) Now, as to what to do with this misinformation on Ancestry... When you go to an individual in one of the public family trees on their site, there are the following tabs: Overview, Facts and Sources, Media Gallery, Comments, and Member Connect You can click on the "Comments" tab and post a comment for others to look at.  You might say that you believe this information to be in error, and leave your email address (or your Ancerstry login name) as a contact.  It probably defaults to the latter anyway.  If you do this enough, then maybe some of those posting the wrong information might finally get mad enough to contact you and start a dialog.  I have done something similar on some of the Rootsweb WorldConnect trees, and have never gotten in trouble with anyone over it. Good luck! Peace, Part of the Tree No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3089 - Release Date: 08/23/10 02:35:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh Rita, I can understand your irritation completely. I ran across a family tree for my husband's parents. The person who posted it had two wives listed for my father-in-law when, of course, I knew for a fact that he only had one wife, my husband's mother, and they had been married for 50+ years. When I emailed the person and asked them where they got their information, their reply was "I don't remember where exactly I got it and I'll get back to you." That was over 2 years ago . I never heard from the person again and that dang information is still out there! I take the majority of family trees on ancestry. com with a grain of salt. I've seen children born 2 or more years after the father died; I've seen children with birth dates years after the mother died; I think the best one though was a child born 25 years before the parents were even born! I agree with Greg about leaving comments when you know the information is wrong. I can't understand these people who post such blatantly erroneous information. It's almost like a game or race to get something out there whether or not its right or wrong. Lisa Owen Kennard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita" <brnwyn98@yahoo.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Greg, Thank you! I knew someone on here would be able to help me. The worst part about this is that the family that is posting only live a few miles from me!! I would love to get together and compare what we all have and get it all right. I have birth & death certificates plus a few marrige certificates for the people they are posting incorrect information on....so I KNOW my info is correct! Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Greg Lovelace <greglovelace@comcast.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 3:33:04 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Hey, Rita At 02:40 PM 8/23/2010, you wrote: >... in Ancestry.com. There are 3 people who are posting incorrect >information on several of them! I have written them numerous emails >asking to compare notes and figure out what is the correct >information but have received no replies... Anyone have a suggestion >of what to do? Unfortunately, this is the way things are in these days of internet genealogy. What you need to do is make sure of your own data and sources, and make sure that anything you post is properly sourced. This way you can cover *your* butt if someone comes after you :-) Now, as to what to do with this misinformation on Ancestry... When you go to an individual in one of the public family trees on their site, there are the following tabs: Overview, Facts and Sources, Media Gallery, Comments, and Member Connect You can click on the "Comments" tab and post a comment for others to look at. You might say that you believe this information to be in error, and leave your email address (or your Ancerstry login name) as a contact. It probably defaults to the latter anyway. If you do this enough, then maybe some of those posting the wrong information might finally get mad enough to contact you and start a dialog. I have done something similar on some of the Rootsweb WorldConnect trees, and have never gotten in trouble with anyone over it. Good luck! Peace, Part of the Tree No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3089 - Release Date: 08/23/10 02:35:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm going to make sure I have documentation for the things that I know are posted wrong and then leave messages like you all suggest.  I just wish the woman who posted them would get back with me! It looks like she is actually a cousin to my Mother and she'd like to meet her.  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Jimmie Ryan <jimmie.ryan@verizon.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:13:34 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Rita: You best solution is to leave comments on the files you find differences on, the originator of the file will get the comment message.  I have just had to go through and clean up my files from this exact thing coming from other tree members, as I check all against census record and/or any other information I can see that are actual records of the family I am researching.  I just found one that had the children of the first wife as the children of the second wife; and there was even a third wife - making it short the problem keeps repeating itself as some that have trees are no longer maintaining them, have died themselves and left them on ancestry, or just do not care to change what they "believe is there family." Good Luck, cuz Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:59 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Lisa, You are sooo right!!!  And I do take everything on there with a very cautious hand.  I use it more for research assistance than for real information.  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Lisa <liowke@att.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 6:47:02 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Oh Rita, I can understand your irritation completely.  I ran across a family tree for my husband's parents.  The person who posted it had two wives listed for my father-in-law when, of course, I knew for a fact that he only had one wife, my husband's mother, and they had been married for 50+ years. When I emailed the person and asked them where they got their information, their reply was "I don't remember where exactly I got it and I'll get back to you."  That was over 2 years ago .  I never heard from the person again and that dang information is still out there! I take the majority of family trees on ancestry. com with a grain of salt. I've seen children born 2 or more years after the father died; I've seen children with birth dates years after the mother died; I think the best one though was a child born 25 years before the parents were even born! I agree with Greg about leaving comments when you know the information is wrong.  I can't understand these people who post such blatantly erroneous information.  It's almost like a game or race to get something out there whether or not its right or wrong. Lisa Owen Kennard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rita: You best solution is to leave comments on the files you find differences on, the originator of the file will get the comment message. I have just had to go through and clean up my files from this exact thing coming from other tree members, as I check all against census record and/or any other information I can see that are actual records of the family I am researching. I just found one that had the children of the first wife as the children of the second wife; and there was even a third wife - making it short the problem keeps repeating itself as some that have trees are no longer maintaining them, have died themselves and left them on ancestry, or just do not care to change what they "believe is there family." Good Luck, cuz Jimmie -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:59 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Lisa, You are sooo right!!!  And I do take everything on there with a very cautious hand.  I use it more for research assistance than for real information.  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Lisa <liowke@att.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 6:47:02 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Oh Rita, I can understand your irritation completely.  I ran across a family tree for my husband's parents.  The person who posted it had two wives listed for my father-in-law when, of course, I knew for a fact that he only had one wife, my husband's mother, and they had been married for 50+ years. When I emailed the person and asked them where they got their information, their reply was "I don't remember where exactly I got it and I'll get back to you."  That was over 2 years ago .  I never heard from the person again and that dang information is still out there! I take the majority of family trees on ancestry. com with a grain of salt. I've seen children born 2 or more years after the father died; I've seen children with birth dates years after the mother died; I think the best one though was a child born 25 years before the parents were even born! I agree with Greg about leaving comments when you know the information is wrong.  I can't understand these people who post such blatantly erroneous information.  It's almost like a game or race to get something out there whether or not its right or wrong. Lisa Owen Kennard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rita, that's why I quite using Ancestry. com..........sorry. Wish I could help. I know someone on this list will have ideas for you. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita" <brnwyn98@yahoo.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 1:40 PM Subject: [LL] irritated I am currently working on my Mothers family tree (Goodrich & Fleckenstein) and I was just in Ancestry.com. There are 3 people who are posting incorrect information on several of them! I have written them numerous emails asking to compare notes and figure out what is the correct information but have received no replies. They just keep posting the wrong stuff! They are misspelling names, posting incorrect dates and children attached to the wrong parents. Anyone have a suggestion of what to do????? I would hate for a future family member to see their posts and take them for correct information and start passing it on! Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lisa, You are sooo right!!!  And I do take everything on there with a very cautious hand.  I use it more for research assistance than for real information.  Blessings, Rita Smallcombe Advertising/Marketing Director Mayfaire and Derbyshire Renaissance Festivals www.mayfaireren.com and www.derbyshirerenfaire.com Check out my art work at: www.pookafairystudio.com and our leather work at: www.highlandsleather.com CARPE TARTANAM! (Seize the Tartan!) ________________________________ From: Lisa <liowke@att.net> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 6:47:02 PM Subject: Re: [LL] irritated Oh Rita, I can understand your irritation completely.  I ran across a family tree for my husband's parents.  The person who posted it had two wives listed for my father-in-law when, of course, I knew for a fact that he only had one wife, my husband's mother, and they had been married for 50+ years. When I emailed the person and asked them where they got their information, their reply was "I don't remember where exactly I got it and I'll get back to you."  That was over 2 years ago .  I never heard from the person again and that dang information is still out there! I take the majority of family trees on ancestry. com with a grain of salt. I've seen children born 2 or more years after the father died; I've seen children with birth dates years after the mother died; I think the best one though was a child born 25 years before the parents were even born! I agree with Greg about leaving comments when you know the information is wrong.  I can't understand these people who post such blatantly erroneous information.  It's almost like a game or race to get something out there whether or not its right or wrong. Lisa Owen Kennard

Hey, Rita At 02:40 PM 8/23/2010, you wrote: >... in Ancestry.com. There are 3 people who are posting incorrect >information on several of them! I have written them numerous emails >asking to compare notes and figure out what is the correct >information but have received no replies... Anyone have a suggestion >of what to do? Unfortunately, this is the way things are in these days of internet genealogy. What you need to do is make sure of your own data and sources, and make sure that anything you post is properly sourced. This way you can cover *your* butt if someone comes after you :-) Now, as to what to do with this misinformation on Ancestry... When you go to an individual in one of the public family trees on their site, there are the following tabs: Overview, Facts and Sources, Media Gallery, Comments, and Member Connect You can click on the "Comments" tab and post a comment for others to look at. You might say that you believe this information to be in error, and leave your email address (or your Ancerstry login name) as a contact. It probably defaults to the latter anyway. If you do this enough, then maybe some of those posting the wrong information might finally get mad enough to contact you and start a dialog. I have done something similar on some of the Rootsweb WorldConnect trees, and have never gotten in trouble with anyone over it. Good luck! Peace, Part of the Tree No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3089 - Release Date: 08/23/10 02:35:00