Mornin' Cuzzies, "Turn out the lights, the party's over".....and Don Meredith, SMU and Cowboyflash....and lst class scamp!.....died in Santa Fe, and part of my youth is gonew/ him. What a character! Married a good fren of mine....she threw him outas any sane woman would. o : Saw many, many of his games in the CottonBowl in Dallas. I'm still connected to Staubach, Don McIlhenney, Lee RoyJordan and the crew thru McIllhenney's wife, an ex classmate in Washington,D.C., thru an email list. All those ex-Cowboy wives still all get together a coupleof times a year and go gallavanting on a trip w/out their husbands....isn't thatneat! Sports reigned on TV yesterday w/ a golf tournament and then the RCA Rodeochampionships from Vegas last night. Livestock was spectacular, and thebarrel horses were out of this world! Many of them sons, daughters, etc. ofmy famous Mr. Kid Charge, of 1970's fame. Yes, yours truly made a markon quarter horse breeding, big time! It was just very short lived.....due toextenuating circumstances, mainly a divorce. ) : Have a good one! I truck better every day.... ( : Buckette

Greg Enjoy the low humidity in the Valley of the Sun, as they call it. But keep some moisturizing lotion handy so your webbed toes won't dry out. If you have time check out Sedona, it can be somewhat magical. Jeff > Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 21:11:00 +0000 > From: greglovelace@comcast.net > To: lovelace@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LL] Monday afternoon > > > > > Hello, cuzzins, from the Sonoran Desert in Arizona! We flew into the Phoenix airport Friday evening and have spent the last couple days exploring and hiking in the desert. So far it has been an exceptional vacation, dining on authentic Mexican food and trying to soak up some of the nature and culture of this place. It is different from any place I have ever been, which is one reason I really wanted to make the trip with my wife Susan. Unfortunately, she had to begin working today, so I took off to the Riparian Preserve in Gilbert, AZ, for a morning of watching waterfowl and trying to get a handle on some of the bird life around this area of the southwest. > > > > Now I'm going to try to go through some of my pictures of people and documents from my genealogy collection and try to weed out duplicates. I'm hoping to finally get a good start on connecting some of these in my database to the people to whom they pertain. > > > > Good discussion on DNA testing. Sorry I haven't contributed, but Lou Ann has hopped in. Sheila, as William stated earlier, he descends from Good Tom. If you think your friend might be from the s ame line, a 24- or 37-marker test might tell you for sure. I'm hoping Jack will hop in, or maybe even David, if he can take a short break from caregiving put in an opinion. I think you may have received a link to the DNA study page in the welc ome email you got from the list. If not, I can try to send that to you later. I'm using my wife's computer for internet on this trip, since wireless isn't free at this resort >:-( The results page shows the break down of families of those who have been tested, and it might be helpful in determining whether a test is a good idea for your friend. > > > > Later, all. Time to go get a drink of water. It is DRY here in the desert for this ol' ocean man! > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 12/6/10 10:29:03 AM, KFurBallKell@aol.com writes: > date of Feb. 13, 1854 for the birth of James Moses Lovelace who  married > Nancy > Ann Lockhart and a marriage certificate for > I suspect if this is the correct birthdate for James Moses, he is indeed of the John Thomas "Good Tom" line, but DNA would sure help. I know we have guys from both those lines who have done DNA, so if you could get one of the ones you mentioned to do it, it could really help. Thanks Lou Ann

Lou Ann; Ah, you see my problem, I am coming up with what you have, conflicting information. That is why the DNA question. I have a suitcase full of papers and after going through all of them nothing concrete, they do have the date of Feb. 13, 1854 for the birth of James Moses Lovelace who married Nancy Ann Lockhart and a marriage certificate for them. Lawrence repeated mentioned in his letters of inquiry all over the country that his grandfather James Moses was Illiterate, and everything he knew was from what his grandfather had told him. He was told James Moses came from Somerset, Pulaski County, Kentucky. Left home because of not getting along with a step parent. Lawrence said he was in some kind of a home in Kentucky between 1870 and 1880 but was taken out by someone to work at logging in Washington County, Indiana and that he stayed there for the rest of his life. You are correct the age is all over the place. Lawrence said that was because his grandfather did not read or write so didn't know how to write down what the correct date was or didn't even know for sure himself. Sheila

Sheila, I think I have the James Moses you referred to. If this is the right one, the line does not trace to John Thomas "Good Tom" Lovelace, but to a different John who also is from the MD group and whose father we have not pinned down yet. Jack, jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the line the way I have it. John b 1748 MD d 1823/24 Campbell Co KY m Milla/Milly b VA d KY I have eight children for John and Milley son James b ca 1785/86 VA d aft 1850 Pendleton Co KY m Mary "Polly" Arvin b ca 1785 OH their son Henry b ca 1822 with wife Liza (no further info) or wife Hannah Hutton ....not sure which was mother of James James Moses b Jun 14, 1848 d May , 1941 Washington Co IN m Nancy Anna Lockhart I have 5 children for them...sons James William, Emmet L and Cecil Lee One of those three would have been the father of Lawrence Lee. Emmett is the only one I have marriage info for, but I don't have his children. I do have that he was buried in Salem, Washington Co IN. One note on the above info. I do have a notation on Henry that he needs to be proven, so I won't 100% guarantee the accuracy of this. This branch of Lovelaces is our lister Jack Lovelace's and he may be able to add something. By the way, the Hazel you mentioned is a brother to James who married Mary "Polly" Arvin. I think DNA testing would be wonderful here. It could help us determine if James indeed belongs to the John & Milly line or to "Good Tom". And, FYI, there is a James M b Feb 13, 1854 in Pulaski Co KY who is of the "Good Tom" line. And as I look more closely at these two Jameses, I truly am not sure whick one of them is the one married to Nancy Lockhart in IN. Census records on the James in Indiana have his birthdate all over the map, anywhere from 1849 to 1853 or so. Lou Ann

Lou Ann Thanks, I have been going through the archives, a very informative list. I will be sending in some questions I am sure. I am the County Coordinator for three sites on INGenWeb so have a lot of things I am trying to do, plus my mother is having some health issues (she is 89) and I have to take care of her. Sheila

In a message dated 12/5/10 5:45:17 PM, KFurBallKell@aol.com writes: > >   Also I do have a Lovelace line by marriage from Pendleton County,  > Kentucky in my own family. One of my ancestors Mary Ann "Polly" Swinford > married  > a Hazel Lovelace. > > Sheila > Yes, they are definitely from the Maryland group. Do you need info on that line? Actually, you can probably find a lot on them in the archives. Lou Ann

Shiela...Good Tom Loveless/Virginia Roy, from Pulaski was my line and I have been tested.Perhaps this could help explain a less/lace mystery?   --- On Sun, 12/5/10, KFurBallKell@aol.com <KFurBallKell@aol.com> wrote: From: KFurBallKell@aol.com <KFurBallKell@aol.com> Subject: [LL] DNA testing To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 6:04 PM Hello   I am new to this list and am trying to help a friend who is trying  to finish a search her husband had been working on for years. He died in 2008  and she is over 80 and does not use a computer. She does have two sons who might  be willing to do a DNA test to see what Lovelace line they come from. She gave  me a suitcase full of documents she and her husband Lawrence Lee Lovelace had  traveled around and collected, plus many letters they had written to try and  unravel her husbands family. He was born in 1928 in Salem Washington County,  Indiana, but his father & grandfather told him that his grandfather came  from Pulaski County, Kentucky. His grandfathers name was James M (Moses)  Loveless born about 1854 in Pulaski County. He left home because of not getting  along with a step mother, and ended up in Washington County, where he lived the  rest of his life. I think I have him back to John Thomas (Good Tom)  Lovelace. Has anyone from this line been tested? I will need to try and explain  to her what this test entails, how much it would cost and how it is  done. Where do I get that information? Thank you to anyone who can help. Sheila Kell Jennings County, Indiana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary; I am a tad more distant Mary is my 1st cousin 5 times removed. My grandmother was Bertha Mildred Swinford born 1892 in Madison county, Indiana. Sheila

Sheila, Hazel and Mary are my g-g-g-grandparents on my maternal side. Howdy cuzzin. Mary Jarrell in WV ----- Original Message ----- From: <KFurBallKell@aol.com> To: <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [LL] DNA testing > Lou Ann & all; > > Let me clarify a little here. I think I have him back to "Good Tom" far > from set in concrete. If that line has been tested, then getting one of > the > boys tested would make it a hit. If it did not prove out I have been > following the wrong trail. > > Also I do have a Lovelace line by marriage from Pendleton County, > Kentucky in my own family. One of my ancestors Mary Ann "Polly" Swinford > married > a Hazel Lovelace. > > Sheila > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lou Ann & all; Let me clarify a little here. I think I have him back to "Good Tom" far from set in concrete. If that line has been tested, then getting one of the boys tested would make it a hit. If it did not prove out I have been following the wrong trail. Also I do have a Lovelace line by marriage from Pendleton County, Kentucky in my own family. One of my ancestors Mary Ann "Polly" Swinford married a Hazel Lovelace. Sheila

In a message dated 12/5/10 5:06:21 PM, KFurBallKell@aol.com writes: > He left home because > of not getting  along with a step mother, and ended up in Washington > County, > where he lived the  rest of his life. I think I have him back to John > Thomas (Good Tom)  Lovelace. > Sheila, If you have his line traced to Thomas "Good Tom", none of us have been able to determine exactly who he belongs to although I have a theory which so far absolutely cannot be proven. Can someone jump in here on the DNA? Has someone from this line been tested? My memory says yes and he belongs to MD which does support my theory, but I may be dreaming that one. Lou Ann

Hello I am new to this list and am trying to help a friend who is trying to finish a search her husband had been working on for years. He died in 2008 and she is over 80 and does not use a computer. She does have two sons who might be willing to do a DNA test to see what Lovelace line they come from. She gave me a suitcase full of documents she and her husband Lawrence Lee Lovelace had traveled around and collected, plus many letters they had written to try and unravel her husbands family. He was born in 1928 in Salem Washington County, Indiana, but his father & grandfather told him that his grandfather came from Pulaski County, Kentucky. His grandfathers name was James M (Moses) Loveless born about 1854 in Pulaski County. He left home because of not getting along with a step mother, and ended up in Washington County, where he lived the rest of his life. I think I have him back to John Thomas (Good Tom) Lovelace. Has anyone from this line been tested? I will need to try and explain to her what this test entails, how much it would cost and how it is done. Where do I get that information? Thank you to anyone who can help. Sheila Kell Jennings County, Indiana

Dear Cousin, My step father died in 2001. There was a mesothelioma claim going on and those idiots who went after the companies that did the deed are blocking the will from being probated. So, for 9 long years, I have had to take care of all the money, be accountable for it, make sure it was properly invested, and can't touch a penny of it. The attorney does nothing and never contacts me. Once I year I call and they say that their hands are tied because of the big law firm handling the mesothelioma settlements. This is going to be hung up for years and years because those companies have gone into and out of bankruptcy. If I opt for new attorney, I'll have to pay the first one, then the retainer for the new one. Either way, it's a whole lot of heart ache and so I understand some of what you're saying. I worked for a bank for years and I can't tell you how my heart ached for the widows who would come in with their husband's stocks and bonds and not have the proper papers and would leave in tears. Our bank did everything they could to help out and I just don't understand the cold hearted folks you are dealing with. Do you want all of us Lovelace's to make picket signs and go down to their corporate offices and picket with you? We could even create mean looks upon our faces and snarl a little. Just let us know. Phyllis (of the Northern Mountains)

Mornin' Cuzzies, When last we talked, I was suggesting pitfalls to avoid. Numerous ones of yousent such sweet notes of sympathy, and though I love it, I'm trying to explain toyou what might befall the uninformed....of which I was one.....because peoplethese days are so incompetent who still fill the remaining jobs. o : Ole Buckley and I had separate bank accts. in separate banks in different towns.At one point he sent me to the Veep of his bank so I could sign on to his accountwhich we took care of. However, when it came time for me to put my signatureinto operation, the bank said it wouldn't hold.....all of his accounts were frozen untilthe will went thru probate over two months later. Sooooo, don't take anyone's wordfor anything.....see it in writing. Say "show me the paper" everytime you turn around.When anyone in authority tells you something about your stuff, tell them you want tosee the paper that says that.....because the employee doesn't know what he's doing. That was just one of the probs......I had to borrow money to live on from Da Kid, andthank goodness he was flush. Make sure that each partner can get to the other one's stash.....and if you cannotbecause of distrust, etc., get a divorce.....it's easier than going thru this. In our casetwo aging independents married, and never let go of the independence......not smart. Great football over the week-end.....the real battles were in Houston among the highschools who struggle to represent Houston in the state playoffs. I had an ole beau whowas on the natl. championship Auburn team in the '50's so I was thrilled over that win! Have a good one! Buckette

Dear Susan and Cousins, Make sure of also getting a copy of the document - and KEEP it. Talila --- On Sun, 12/5/10, spice3@juno.com <spice3@juno.com> wrote: From: spice3@juno.com <spice3@juno.com> Subject: Re: [LL] Sun Dec 5, 2010 To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 4:17 PM Mornin' Cuzzies, When last we talked, I was suggesting pitfalls to avoid.  Numerous ones of yousent such sweet notes of sympathy, and though I love it, I'm trying to explain toyou what might befall the uninformed....of which I was one.....because peoplethese days are so incompetent who still fill the remaining jobs.   o : Ole Buckley and I had separate bank accts. in separate banks in different towns.At one point he sent me to the Veep of his bank so I could sign on to his accountwhich we took care of.   However, when it came time for me to put my signatureinto operation, the bank said it wouldn't hold.....all of his accounts were frozen untilthe will went thru probate over two months later.    Sooooo, don't take anyone's wordfor anything.....see it in writing.   Say "show me the paper" everytime you turn around.When anyone in authority tells you something about your stuff, tell them you want tosee the paper that says that.....because the employee doesn't know what he's doin! g. That was just one of the probs......I had to borrow money to live on from Da Kid, andthank goodness he was flush. Make sure that each partner can get to the other one's stash.....and if you cannotbecause of distrust, etc., get a divorce.....it's easier than going thru this.    In our casetwo aging independents married, and never let go of the independence......not smart. Great football over the week-end.....the real battles were in Houston among the highschools who struggle to represent Houston in the state playoffs.   I had an ole beau whowas on the natl. championship Auburn team in the '50's so I was thrilled over that win! Have a good one! Buckette ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning NY Loveless/lace. Have we anymore results in the 67 Markers bring forth a common ancestor. A while back David Wilson had mentioned we were awaiting results of two that had taken the 67 Markers and 37 Markers. I was just inquiring if they had made a match. Wesley G. Lovelace -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to > LOVELACE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to > LOVELACE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

Hi Scott There has been discussion in the past about JBL's wife, Eleanor, and her last name with Wilcoxen mentioned the most. I see you have her last name as Archibald - this is the first that I have heard that option. What source do you have for this information? Thanks - Lori Me > James Leonard > Holt > Lynn Boyd > Robey R > Archibald > Elias > JBL -----Original Message----- From: lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lovelace-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Scott Williams Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 5:59 PM To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LL] Lovelaces in Rev War Thanks for sharing that! I believe Isaac and Elias were brothers of my ancestor, Charles Lovelace. You can see the connection here on the Lovelace page of my Web site. Thanks! Scott http://haywoodcountyline.com/lovelacefamily.html ________________________________ From: Nancy Ross <nlwross@hotmail.com> To: lovelace <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 5:58:12 PM Subject: [LL] Lovelaces in Rev War There is a pension application of a Walter Adams who says he served with Elias, George and Andrew Lovelace on the Southern Campaign website at: http://southerncampaign.org/pen/s30242.pdf Nancy Welty Ross ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for sharing that! I believe Isaac and Elias were brothers of my ancestor, Charles Lovelace. You can see the connection here on the Lovelace page of my Web site. Thanks! Scott http://haywoodcountyline.com/lovelacefamily.html ________________________________ From: Nancy Ross <nlwross@hotmail.com> To: lovelace <lovelace@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 5:58:12 PM Subject: [LL] Lovelaces in Rev War There is a pension application of a Walter Adams who says he served with Elias, George and Andrew Lovelace on the Southern Campaign website at: http://southerncampaign.org/pen/s30242.pdf Nancy Welty Ross ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a pension application of a Walter Adams who says he served with Elias, George and Andrew Lovelace on the Southern Campaign website at: http://southerncampaign.org/pen/s30242.pdf Nancy Welty Ross