I thought that by way of DNA the MD group traces back to Dorchester, England, and possibly the martyrs. Carolyn On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:08 AM, <Brondak@aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 12/7/10 12:16:52 AM, wsloveless@yahoo.com writes: > > > > My tests traced us back to the Dorchester England group,I like to > > think,possibly the Loveless Martyrs of England. > > > > Well, this blows my theory about him being part of the MD group. Hmmmm. > The mystery > deepens. Maybe he was the immigrant of this line. Refresh me on the > martyrs. When were > they arrested and deported to Australia? > Lou Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 12/7/10 12:16:52 AM, wsloveless@yahoo.com writes: > My tests traced us back to the Dorchester England group,I like to > think,possibly the Loveless Martyrs of England. > Well, this blows my theory about him being part of the MD group. Hmmmm. The mystery deepens. Maybe he was the immigrant of this line. Refresh me on the martyrs. When were they arrested and deported to Australia? Lou Ann

Betsy; Now I am very curious, years ago in my youth, I was very involved in Arabian Horses. I knew of the history of a Homer Davenport who imported Arabians and Lady Ann Blunt, who was not exactly a fan of his. I have never heard of Lady Ann Davenport. It sounds like I better check out the message board archives. Is there a Royal Lovelace connection of some kind. Homer Davenport was from Oregon if I remember correctly. Sheila Kell

DNA Kit No. 132671 for Charles Alonzo Lovelace. Is this for Charles Alonzo Lovelace, Jr. b: 04 Jun 1924; d: 02 Dec 1996; m: Reba Miller in the late 1940s? Or is there another Charles Alonzo? -- Jack D. Lovelace

In a message dated 12/7/10 8:53:37 PM, betsyloveless@att.net writes: > Has anyone checked or thought of the England Duke of Lovelace side?  As > they were not of the surname. His daughter came to America any chance there > is a line to them? > > Betsy > > What was his daughter's name? Are we talking about Gorsuch or a different one? Lou Ann

Lady Ann Davenport Betsy On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Brondak@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/7/10 8:53:37 PM, betsyloveless@att.net writes: Has anyone checked or thought of the England Duke of Lovelace side? As they were not of the surname. His daughter came to America any chance there is a line to them? Betsy What was his daughter's name? Are we talking about Gorsuch or a different one? Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Was trying to find my book about her, of course couldn't. But think Jane. She imprted many Arabians into the US. There was a horse race show called Hildalgo in the last several years. Betsy On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:33 PM, Brondak@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/7/10 8:53:37 PM, betsyloveless@att.net writes: Has anyone checked or thought of the England Duke of Lovelace side? As they were not of the surname. His daughter came to America any chance there is a line to them? Betsy What was his daughter's name? Are we talking about Gorsuch or a different one? Lou Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'll have to tell you.....I paused before I mailed it because it was so negative. But,then I thought.....I'm not an all pie in the sky girl. And, I do get ticked! And, trulyI put my negative thoughts into positive action......sometimes diabolically. I'm trying to hang on to that that my father worked so hard for and gave to me andDa Kid.....and it ticks me off that "they" just don't have any answers at this point.....and we choose them to run our show. I'm not down.....I'm M-A-D! o : Buckette.... Ann Heisler <annheisler@aol.com> writes..... Time for your fight'in words. Seems like the world is getting you down these days and I want the Buckette I love and know back. There's always trouble (challenges) in this world and the old Buckette would sometimes throw some sparks at it but then show us some light or poke fun at life. Keep your chin up babe! Take a little from your cat crew and chill. The crazyness will be there tomorrow, too. Luv ya. .... Ann

Mornin' Cuzzies, Cold, dreary, drizzly day that hot house plants don't like. Yes, Houstoniansare hot house plants. o : Yes, it's abt. our gubmit who is constantly in mah bidness! I'm growing prettysick and tired of them. Can't plan, can't move for fear you'll move in the wrongdirection abt one's financial plans for the end of the year or the coming year....ifit wasn't for wanting all our money, they'd just get rid of all of us.....We the People.It irritates the fire outta me to worry so much abt. my country in the middle of thenight.....just who the hell is in charge around here? I gotta lifelong fren who used to sit w/ his thumb on the button to send an atomicwarhead via an ICBM into Russia.....nerves of steel that guy! He told me the otherday he's now on sleeping pills because of worrying in the middle of the night. Nowthat's tough! My po CPA can't answer a single question I have for him......:"I don't know....theyhaven't decided" is all I hear. We all sit down here in Texas lock and loaded.....not because of our gubmit butbecause of the Zetas in Mexico...... The world is not pretty today. ) : Buckette

Buckette, Time for your fight'in words. Seems like the world is getting you down these days and I want the Buckette I love and know back. There's always trouble (challenges) in this world and the old Buckette would sometimes throw some sparks at it but then show us some light or poke fun at life. Keep your chin up babe! Take a little from your cat crew and chill. The crazyness will be there tomorrow, too. Luv ya. .... Ann -----Original Message----- From: spice3@juno.com <spice3@juno.com> To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, Dec 8, 2010 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [LL] Wed Dec 8, 2010 Mornin' Cuzzies, Cold, dreary, drizzly day that hot house plants don't like. es, Houstoniansare hot house plants. o : Yes, it's abt. our gubmit who is onstantly in mah bidness! I'm growing prettysick and tired of them. Can't lan, can't move for fear you'll move in the wrongdirection abt one's financial lans for the end of the year or the coming year....ifit wasn't for wanting all ur money, they'd just get rid of all of us.....We the People.It irritates the ire outta me to worry so much abt. my country in the middle of henight.....just who the hell is in charge around here? I gotta lifelong fren ho used to sit w/ his thumb on the button to send an atomicwarhead via an ICBM nto Russia.....nerves of steel that guy! He told me the otherday he's now on leeping pills because of worrying in the middle of the night. Nowthat's ough! My po CPA can't answer a single question I have for him......:"I don't now....theyhaven't decided" is all I hear. We all ! sit down here in Texas lock and loaded.....not because of our gubmit butbecause f the Zetas in Mexico...... The world is not pretty today. ) : Buckette ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Has anyone checked or thought of the England Duke of Lovelace side? As they were not of the surname. His daughter came to America any chance there is a line to them? Betsy

Jack; As I said when I sent that first message this is quite a bunch of paperwork I am dealing with. The notes included with it said Lawrence Lee Lovelace was born in Washington County. On the 1930 census he is living with his parents but his father James William is listed as William, they are in German Township, Bartholomew County, Indiana. Census is Enumeration District 3-14, Supervisors District 11, Sheet 8B, on Ancestry.com it is image #16 of 23. Here is a (not proven) descendant list as I have entered the information I have from the paperwork. I do have a copy in the papers of the marriage license - but it only states James Lovelace & Anna Lockhart. Lawrence states numerous times his grandfather said his middle name was Moses. Nancy usually used Anna or Annie rather than Nancy. 1910 census she is listed as Nancy A., 1920 census she is Anna N., 1930 she is Ama. Sheila Descendants of James Moses Lovelace 1 James Moses Lovelace 1854 - 1941 b: 13 Feb 1854 in Somerset, Pulaski County, Kentucky d: 08 May 1941 in Washington County, Indiana .. +Nancy Anna Lockhart 1873 - 1945 b: Jan 1873 in Washington County, Indiana m: 13 Apr 1895 in Washington, Indiana d: 1945 in Canton, Washington, Indiana ........ 2 James William Lovelace 1897 - 1977 b: 27 Aug 1897 in Indiana d: Aug 1977 in Columbus, Bartholomew, Indiana, United States of America ............ +Metta Wren Hall 1895 - b: 19 Dec 1895 in Crothersville, Scott County, Indiana d: in Columbus, Bartholomew County, Indiana ................... 3 Lawrence Lee Lovelace 1928 - 2008 b: 21 Aug 1928 in Salem, Washington County, Indiana d: 25 Sep 2008 in Scipio, Jennings, Indiana ....................... +Betty Lois Wilber 1930 - b: 15 Jul 1930 in Columbus, Bartholomew County, Indiana m: 30 Oct 1954 in Columbus, Bartholomew County, Indiana ............................. 4 Connie Lovelace 1957 - b: 15 Jul 1957 ............................. 4 Steven Lovelace 1961 - b: 01 Jun 1961 ............................. 4 Tony Lovelace 1966 - b: 14 Nov 1966 ................... 3 Mary Ann Lovelace 1922 - b: 1922 in Washington County, Indiana ....................... +Newman Mayfield Harris 1914 - 1980 b: 01 May 1914 in Person, North Carolina m: 04 Sep 1943 d: 11 May 1980 ................... 3 Albert L Lovelace 1925 - b: 1925 in Washington County, Indiana ....................... +Opal ................... 3 Letta M Lovelace 1926 - b: 1926 in Washington County, Indiana ....................... +Unknown Mckinney ........ 2 Emmet L Lovelace 1901 - 1970 b: 12 Apr 1901 in Washington, Indiana d: 07 Dec 1970 in Salem, Washington, Indiana ........ 2 Essie Marie Lovelace 1905 - 1977 b: 11 May 1905 in Canton, Washington, Indiana d: 14 May 1977 in Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan ............ +John Alexander Demeriah 1906 - 1987 b: 14 Oct 1906 in Hardinsburg, Washington County, Indiana m: 25 Aug 1929 in Jeffersonville, Clark County, Indiana d: 31 Mar 1987 in Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan ................... 3 James William Demeriah 1930 - b: 12 Jun 1930 in Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan

Hello,Jack. My kit # is 173703. My father was Oscar Loveless, his father  was Bluford Marion Loveless, his father was Thomas James Loveless, his father was Thomas Loveless and finally, my ggg was Thomas "Good Tom" Loveless (1776)that married Virginia Roy in 1810. They hailed from Pulaski County Ky... our family farm was located on King Bee Ridge Ky. near the Cumberland Plateau. My tests traced us back to the Dorchester England group,I like to think,possibly the Loveless Martyrs of England. Can't find Good Tom's father yet. Hope this helps. William Steven Loveless   --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Jack D. Lovelace <lovelacejackd@verizon.net> wrote: From: Jack D. Lovelace <lovelacejackd@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [LL] DNA testing To: lovelace@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 10:37 PM William, My records do not reflect any DNA testing on the line from John Thomas "Good Tom" Loveless.  Would you please send me your kit no. and you line of descent so that I can update my records. Thank You. william loveless wrote: > Shiela...Good Tom Loveless/Virginia Roy, from Pulaski was my line and I have been tested.Perhaps this could help explain a less/lace mystery?    >    -- Jack D. Lovelace ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, cuzzins, from the Sonoran Desert in Arizona!  We flew into the Phoenix airport Friday evening and have spent the last couple days exploring and hiking in the desert.  So far it has been an exceptional vacation, dining on authentic Mexican food and trying to soak up some of the nature and culture of this place.  It is different from any place I have ever been, which is one reason I really wanted to make the trip with my wife Susan.  Unfortunately, she had to begin working today, so I took off to the Riparian Preserve in Gilbert, AZ, for a morning of watching waterfowl and trying to get a handle on some of the bird life around this area of the southwest.  Now I'm going to try to go through some of my pictures of people and documents from my genealogy collection and try to weed out duplicates.  I'm hoping to finally get a good start on connecting some of these in my database to the people to whom they pertain. Good discussion on DNA testing.  Sorry I haven't contributed, but Lou Ann has hopped in.  Sheila, as William stated earlier, he descends from Good Tom.  If you think your friend  might be from the s ame line, a 24- or 37-marker test might tell you for sure.  I'm hoping Jack will hop in, or maybe even David, if he can take a short break from caregiving put in an opinion.  I think you may have received a link to the DNA study page in the welc ome email you got from the list.  If not, I can try to send that to you later.  I'm using  my wife's computer for internet on this trip, since wireless isn't free at this resort  >:-(  The  results page shows the break down of families of those who have been tested, and it might be helpful in determining whether a test is a good idea for your friend. Later, all.  Time to go get a drink of water.  It is DRY here in the desert for this ol' ocean man! Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Sheila, My g-g-g is Lucinda Lovelace, the daughter of Hazle and Mary Ann "Polly" Swinford Lovelace. She married her first cousin George Washington Lovelace. Welcome to the list, cousin. KFurBallKell@aol.com wrote: > Lou Ann & all; > > Let me clarify a little here. I think I have him back to "Good Tom" far > from set in concrete. If that line has been tested, then getting one of the > boys tested would make it a hit. If it did not prove out I have been > following the wrong trail. > > Also I do have a Lovelace line by marriage from Pendleton County, > Kentucky in my own family. One of my ancestors Mary Ann "Polly" Swinford married > a Hazel Lovelace. > > Sheila > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Jack D. Lovelace

Sheila, I do not have a Lawrence Lee Lovelace b: 1828 in my database. Also, I do not see one in Washington County, Indiana on the 1930 census. Could you let me known the name of Lawrence's father and grand-father. I might have them in my database and I could check out his ancestry. I do have a James Moses Lovelace/Loveless b: between 1881 and 1890. I do not have any descendents for him. James line goes: Cyrenius G. Loveless, John Loveless, Zachariah Lovelace and John Thomas Loveless. I have not been able to identify the ancestor of John Thomas. KFurBallKell@aol.com wrote: > Hello > > I am new to this list and am trying to help a friend who is trying to > finish a search her husband had been working on for years. He died in 2008 > and she is over 80 and does not use a computer. She does have two sons who > might be willing to do a DNA test to see what Lovelace line they come from. > She gave me a suitcase full of documents she and her husband Lawrence Lee > Lovelace had traveled around and collected, plus many letters they had written > to try and unravel her husbands family. He was born in 1928 in Salem > Washington County, Indiana, but his father & grandfather told him that his > grandfather came from Pulaski County, Kentucky. His grandfathers name was James > M (Moses) Loveless born about 1854 in Pulaski County. He left home because > of not getting along with a step mother, and ended up in Washington County, > where he lived the rest of his life. I think I have him back to John > Thomas (Good Tom) Lovelace. Has anyone from this line been tested? I will need > to try and explain to her what this test entails, how much it would cost and > how it is done. Where do I get that information? > > Thank you to anyone who can help. > > Sheila Kell > Jennings County, Indiana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVELACE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Jack D. Lovelace

I did an oops, in my last post. Lawrence served in the Korean War, not WWII, sorry. Here is his obit. Lawrence Lee Lovelace, 80, of Scipio died at 9:55 a.m. Thursday, Sept. 25, 2008, at his home. Mr. Lovelace was a U.S. Army veteran of the Korean War, serving with the Corps of Engineers' Screaming Eagles and the Continental Air Command in the British West Indies and on Grand Turk Island setting up test stations for guided missiles. He worked in the maintenance department at Hamilton-Cosco-Dorel, retiring in 1990 after 43 years of service. He also was a partner in Lovelace & Son Trucking, raised cattle and hogs and was a real estate investor. He was one of the first volunteers for Geneva Township Fire Department and was a member of the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Carpenters Union Local 1155 and Senior Friends. He enjoyed traveling and going to his travel home on the Suwannee River at Laraville, Fla. He enjoyed his family and friends and was known to many as "Pap." The funeral will be conducted at 11 a.m. Monday at Barkes, Weaver & Glick Funeral Home on Washington Street with the Rev. Mitchell J. Coggin and Bill Lykins officiating. Calling will be from 2 to 6 p.m. Sunday and from 10 a.m. until service time Monday. Burial will be at Garland Brook Cemetery. Full military rites will be conducted by Bartholomew County Veterans Color Guard. Memorial contributions may be made to the American Heart Association. Born in a home on Highway 135 in Salem Aug. 21, 1928, Mr. Lovelace was the son of James William and Metta Wren Hall Lovelace. He married Betty Lois Wilber Oct. 30, 1954, at East Columbus United Methodist Church by the Rev. Gilbert Curry. Survivors include his wife; a daughter, Connie Sue Lovelace of Scipio; sons, Tony Lee (Peggy) Lovelace and Steven Lynn (Sheila) Lovelace, both of Scipio; grandchildren, Jeremy Michael (Lauren) Sprague of Plainfield, Zachary Isaac Mc-Crory, Sadie Nicole and Caleb Isaac Lovelace, all of Scipio, Matthew Steven Vance of Seymour, Mallorie Jane Lovelace of Scipio and Courtney Lynn Guffey of Brownstown; greatgrandchildren, Rebecca Jane Sprague and Braden Tyler Guffey; a sister, Mary Anna Harris of Columbus; a sisterin-law, Opal Lovelace of Columbus; and many nieces, nephews and close friends. He was preceded in death by his parents; a brother, Albert James Lovelace; and a sister, Letta Marie McKinney.

William, My records do not reflect any DNA testing on the line from John Thomas "Good Tom" Loveless. Would you please send me your kit no. and you line of descent so that I can update my records. Thank You. william loveless wrote: > Shiela...Good Tom Loveless/Virginia Roy, from Pulaski was my line and I have been tested.Perhaps this could help explain a less/lace mystery? > -- Jack D. Lovelace

Something I forgot to ask, is there any place folks the Pulaski county groups have pictures on line? There are a number of pictures in with all this information and I have no idea who most of them are. The usual problem of no one writing anything on them, a couple are quite early (around 1900). One is a very large group of people standing in front of a building (possibly a house) . It is very faded. I do have one of Lawrence Lovelace when he was in the military during WWII. Sheila

Thanks All; I will see what I can do to get the DNA test taken care of. There are two boys in the family so hopefully one will agree to do it. I will let you all know how it goes. Sheila