If you want a test that covers on your lines, this it will be one of the autosomal DNA tests. At this point these tests will only show you others that match and a predicted relationship range. It will up to you to do the detective work. Recently Ancestry introduced a new feature call "DNA Circles" which identifies groups of people sharing DNA matches to at least two others in the group and all in the group having a common,public tree matching ancestor. I am guessing that it may be possible once these "DNA Circles" are well established to begin identify probable ancestors within 5 or 6 generations to the test subject without first having a tree match!...but, then I am no scientist so take that for what it is worth. Certainly no test does that right now. here are some very brief animations explaining the different types of DNA ---------------- the 4 types of DNA http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/four_types.jspx Autosomal DNA http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/autosomal.jspx Y chromosome http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/y_chromosome.jspx Mitochondrial DNA http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/mitochondrial.jspx X chromosome DNA http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/x_chromosome.jspx ------ Here is link to a comparison chart of the features of the different autosomal tests (it looks like it hasn't been updated in a while because the FDA ordered 23andMe to stop providing health information to its customers in the USA about one year ago. If you are in Canada or the UK, I believe you currently can get health info with your DNA test at 23andMe) http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_testing_comparison_chart On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Stephen Scarborough < [email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for that information Jack and Bert. My main focus is to find > where my heritage lies on all aspects of my family. Which type of test > would you recommend and who do ya'll recommend going through? When I do the > test, what exactly will it tell me when I get the results back? Will it > tell me who some of my ancesters are or would it mainly point me to people > that are alive that have the same DNA type? > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Bert Pittman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> If you're considering an autosomal DNA test, You can get two tests done >> at a good price by testing at Ancestry.com and then doing an autosomal >> transfer to FTDNA's Family Finder database. >> >> The cost for the Ancestry test is roughly the same as the Family Finder >> but there may be some features at Ancestry DNA that one cannot access with >> a subscription to Ancestry.com . >> >> Anyway, anyone that purchased an autosomal DNA test at Ancestry (or >> purchased a test at 23andMe that was processed by 23andMe's lab between >> Nov 2010 and Nov 2013) can create a FREE autosomal upload account at >> FTDNA, The FTDNA free accounts are limited to the first two pages of >> strongest matches, the FTDNA free autosomal accounts cannot communicate >> with the Family Finder accounts and most extra features are disabled except >> for FTDNA's chromosome browser >> >> HOWEVER the free autosomal accounts can be upgraded to "Family Finder" >> accounts by either paying $39 or by getting 4 others to sign up for a free >> FTDNA autosomal upload account using your own personal reference link. >> Below is my brother's reference link. He needs 2 more to sign-up for a >> free autosomal upload account for his own free account to be upgrade for >> free to a full "Family Finder" account. >> >> >> https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomalTransfer?atdna=F1QeXuYeQKoW6majKI6acQ%3d%3d >> >> ------ >> If your primary interest in an autosomal test is the ethnicity analysis, >> then choose the 23andMe's test, In this regard they are much superior to >> either FTDNA or Ancestry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Jack Wyatt via <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Y-Chromosome DNA is strictly paternal line. If you haven't dome any DNA >>> testing, this is what you need to get someone to give you for Christmas >>> (maybe give it to yourself): >>> >>> https://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx >>> >>> >>> Ancestry.com and 23andMe offer essentially the same test. Serious >>> researchers upload their results to GEDmatch.com when they receive them so >>> that they can compare with people that tested with other services. >>> >>> Autosomal DNA tests like these help find common ancestors (i.e. locate >>> cousin relationships) and the sex of the people being compared does not >>> matter. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Jack Wyatt >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Stephen Scarborough via <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 1:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 218 >>> >>> >>> Thank you for that information Lou Ann, it did help. I wish I would be >>> able >>> to go back further. I do apologive on the year of Velmar's death as I >>> meant >>> to put 1973. Would you happen to have any life stories of any of the >>> Lovelace's that I'm related to? Also, if I was to do a Y-Chromosome DNA >>> test, would it reach into the Lovelace side since Velmar is my Great >>> Grandmother? >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

Thank you for that information Jack and Bert. My main focus is to find where my heritage lies on all aspects of my family. Which type of test would you recommend and who do ya'll recommend going through? When I do the test, what exactly will it tell me when I get the results back? Will it tell me who some of my ancesters are or would it mainly point me to people that are alive that have the same DNA type? On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Bert Pittman <[email protected]> wrote: > If you're considering an autosomal DNA test, You can get two tests done > at a good price by testing at Ancestry.com and then doing an autosomal > transfer to FTDNA's Family Finder database. > > The cost for the Ancestry test is roughly the same as the Family Finder > but there may be some features at Ancestry DNA that one cannot access with > a subscription to Ancestry.com . > > Anyway, anyone that purchased an autosomal DNA test at Ancestry (or > purchased a test at 23andMe that was processed by 23andMe's lab between > Nov 2010 and Nov 2013) can create a FREE autosomal upload account at > FTDNA, The FTDNA free accounts are limited to the first two pages of > strongest matches, the FTDNA free autosomal accounts cannot communicate > with the Family Finder accounts and most extra features are disabled except > for FTDNA's chromosome browser > > HOWEVER the free autosomal accounts can be upgraded to "Family Finder" > accounts by either paying $39 or by getting 4 others to sign up for a free > FTDNA autosomal upload account using your own personal reference link. > Below is my brother's reference link. He needs 2 more to sign-up for a > free autosomal upload account for his own free account to be upgrade for > free to a full "Family Finder" account. > > > https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomalTransfer?atdna=F1QeXuYeQKoW6majKI6acQ%3d%3d > > ------ > If your primary interest in an autosomal test is the ethnicity analysis, > then choose the 23andMe's test, In this regard they are much superior to > either FTDNA or Ancestry. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Jack Wyatt via <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Y-Chromosome DNA is strictly paternal line. If you haven't dome any DNA >> testing, this is what you need to get someone to give you for Christmas >> (maybe give it to yourself): >> >> https://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx >> >> >> Ancestry.com and 23andMe offer essentially the same test. Serious >> researchers upload their results to GEDmatch.com when they receive them so >> that they can compare with people that tested with other services. >> >> Autosomal DNA tests like these help find common ancestors (i.e. locate >> cousin relationships) and the sex of the people being compared does not >> matter. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Jack Wyatt >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Stephen Scarborough via <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 1:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 218 >> >> >> Thank you for that information Lou Ann, it did help. I wish I would be >> able >> to go back further. I do apologive on the year of Velmar's death as I >> meant >> to put 1973. Would you happen to have any life stories of any of the >> Lovelace's that I'm related to? Also, if I was to do a Y-Chromosome DNA >> test, would it reach into the Lovelace side since Velmar is my Great >> Grandmother? >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

If you're considering an autosomal DNA test, You can get two tests done at a good price by testing at Ancestry.com and then doing an autosomal transfer to FTDNA's Family Finder database. The cost for the Ancestry test is roughly the same as the Family Finder but there may be some features at Ancestry DNA that one cannot access with a subscription to Ancestry.com . Anyway, anyone that purchased an autosomal DNA test at Ancestry (or purchased a test at 23andMe that was processed by 23andMe's lab between Nov 2010 and Nov 2013) can create a FREE autosomal upload account at FTDNA, The FTDNA free accounts are limited to the first two pages of strongest matches, the FTDNA free autosomal accounts cannot communicate with the Family Finder accounts and most extra features are disabled except for FTDNA's chromosome browser HOWEVER the free autosomal accounts can be upgraded to "Family Finder" accounts by either paying $39 or by getting 4 others to sign up for a free FTDNA autosomal upload account using your own personal reference link. Below is my brother's reference link. He needs 2 more to sign-up for a free autosomal upload account for his own free account to be upgrade for free to a full "Family Finder" account. https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomalTransfer?atdna=F1QeXuYeQKoW6majKI6acQ%3d%3d ------ If your primary interest in an autosomal test is the ethnicity analysis, then choose the 23andMe's test, In this regard they are much superior to either FTDNA or Ancestry. On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Jack Wyatt via <[email protected]> wrote: > Y-Chromosome DNA is strictly paternal line. If you haven't dome any DNA > testing, this is what you need to get someone to give you for Christmas > (maybe give it to yourself): > > https://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx > > > Ancestry.com and 23andMe offer essentially the same test. Serious > researchers upload their results to GEDmatch.com when they receive them so > that they can compare with people that tested with other services. > > Autosomal DNA tests like these help find common ancestors (i.e. locate > cousin relationships) and the sex of the people being compared does not > matter. > > Hope this helps. > > Jack Wyatt > > > ________________________________ > From: Stephen Scarborough via <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 218 > > > Thank you for that information Lou Ann, it did help. I wish I would be able > to go back further. I do apologive on the year of Velmar's death as I meant > to put 1973. Would you happen to have any life stories of any of the > Lovelace's that I'm related to? Also, if I was to do a Y-Chromosome DNA > test, would it reach into the Lovelace side since Velmar is my Great > Grandmother? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'd go with the autosomal first. $99 or less for such a test gives you a lot of bang for the bucks. But you do have to work at it. I'm biased toward FTDNA Family Finder. I like its Chromosome Browser. I've been able to figure out a lot of connections by seeing where I and several other people share common segments. FTDNA will keep your sample stored so that you can order additional tests later. I'm not sure about 23and Me's product lineup, but Ancestry.com, I believe, has exited the Y-DNA testing. With the sample on file at FTDNA, all you have to do is place the order when you are ready for Y-DNA testing or its other tests such a mitrochondrial. One bit of warning is that you might find out something that you did not want to know. I have a "what is" approach, but if you can't handle surprises, you might want to forgo the DNA testing. Chances are you will not find something out of order, but sometimes it happens. Hope you go through with the testing and I will be looking forward to comparing results. Jack Wyatt ________________________________ From: Bert Pittman <[email protected]> To: Stephen Scarborough <[email protected]> Cc: Jack Wyatt <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [LL] DNA testing If you want a test that covers on your lines, this it will be one of the autosomal DNA tests. At this point these tests will only show you others that match and a predicted relationship range. It will up to you to do the detective work. Recently Ancestry introduced a new feature call "DNA Circles" which identifies groups of people sharing DNA matches to at least two others in the group and all in the group having a common,public tree matching ancestor. I am guessing that it may be possible once these "DNA Circles" are well established to begin identify probable ancestors within 5 or 6 generations to the test subject without first having a tree match!...but, then I am no scientist so take that for what it is worth. Certainly no test does that right now. here are some very brief animations explaining the different types of DNA ---------------- the 4 types of DNA http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/four_types.jspx Autosomal DNA http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/autosomal.jspx Y chromosome http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/y_chromosome.jspx Mitochondrial DNA http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/mitochondrial.jspx X chromosome DNA http://www.smgf.org/education/animations/x_chromosome.jspx ------ Here is link to a comparison chart of the features of the different autosomal tests (it looks like it hasn't been updated in a while because the FDA ordered 23andMe to stop providing health information to its customers in the USA about one year ago. If you are in Canada or the UK, I believe you currently can get health info with your DNA test at 23andMe) http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_testing_comparison_chart On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Stephen Scarborough <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you for that information Jack and Bert. My main focus is to find where my heritage lies on all aspects of my family. Which type of test would you recommend and who do ya'll recommend going through? When I do the test, what exactly will it tell me when I get the results back? Will it tell me who some of my ancesters are or would it mainly point me to people that are alive that have the same DNA type? > > >On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Bert Pittman <[email protected]> wrote: > >If you're considering an autosomal DNA test, You can get two tests done at a good price by testing at Ancestry.com and then doing an autosomal transfer to FTDNA's Family Finder database. >> >> >>The cost for the Ancestry test is roughly the same as the Family Finder but there may be some features at Ancestry DNA that one cannot access with a subscription to Ancestry.com . >> >> >>Anyway, anyone that purchased an autosomal DNA test at Ancestry (or purchased a test at 23andMe that was processed by 23andMe's lab between Nov 2010 and Nov 2013) can create a FREE autosomal upload account at FTDNA, The FTDNA free accounts are limited to the first two pages of strongest matches, the FTDNA free autosomal accounts cannot communicate with the Family Finder accounts and most extra features are disabled except for FTDNA's chromosome browser >> >> >>HOWEVER the free autosomal accounts can be upgraded to "Family Finder" accounts by either paying $39 or by getting 4 others to sign up for a free FTDNA autosomal upload account using your own personal reference link. Below is my brother's reference link. He needs 2 more to sign-up for a free autosomal upload account for his own free account to be upgrade for free to a full "Family Finder" account. >> >> >>https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomalTransfer?atdna=F1QeXuYeQKoW6majKI6acQ%3d%3d >> >> >> >>------ >>If your primary interest in an autosomal test is the ethnicity analysis, then choose the 23andMe's test, In this regard they are much superior to either FTDNA or Ancestry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Jack Wyatt via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>Y-Chromosome DNA is strictly paternal line. If you haven't dome any DNA testing, this is what you need to get someone to give you for Christmas (maybe give it to yourself): >>> >>>https://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx >>> >>> >>>Ancestry.com and 23andMe offer essentially the same test. Serious researchers upload their results to GEDmatch.com when they receive them so that they can compare with people that tested with other services. >>> >>>Autosomal DNA tests like these help find common ancestors (i.e. locate cousin relationships) and the sex of the people being compared does not matter. >>> >>>Hope this helps. >>> >>>Jack Wyatt >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: Stephen Scarborough via <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 1:30 PM >>>Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 218 >>> >>> >>>Thank you for that information Lou Ann, it did help. I wish I would be able >>>to go back further. I do apologive on the year of Velmar's death as I meant >>>to put 1973. Would you happen to have any life stories of any of the >>>Lovelace's that I'm related to? Also, if I was to do a Y-Chromosome DNA >>>test, would it reach into the Lovelace side since Velmar is my Great >>>Grandmother? >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >

Thank you for that information Lou Ann, it did help. I wish I would be able to go back further. I do apologive on the year of Velmar's death as I meant to put 1973. Would you happen to have any life stories of any of the Lovelace's that I'm related to? Also, if I was to do a Y-Chromosome DNA test, would it reach into the Lovelace side since Velmar is my Great Grandmother? On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 216 ([email protected]) > 2. Re: LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 216 ([email protected]) > 3. New Cuzzin (Greg Lovelace) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 22:44:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 216 > Stephen, > I have James P Loveless b Sep 1865 in Lauderdale Co TN, d ca 1936 > Lauderdale Co TN > m Nancy Jane Beasley Mar 1885 she was b Jan 1867 TN, d Sep 5, 1934 > Lauderdale Co TN > > They had 8 children of whom Robert Lee was the oldest. Actually, Laura > Gaither said they > had seven children, but there may have been a daughter who married a Kasper > Saunderman, > but possibly died young. > > James was the son of Simon K Loveless b Mar 16, 1838, Lauderdale Co AL, d > 1928 Dyer TN > married Nancy Ann Jones Mar 19, 1862 in Lauderdale Co TN she was born ca > 1858 in TN, > but I don't have her death date. I show they had seven children, James > Pugh being the > second born, but oldest son. > > Simon was the son of Francis Loveless b Oct 13, 1793 Newberry Dist SC and d > 1870 in TN > married Elizabeth who surname was probably HIPP. She was born Jun 6, 1800 > in SC, I don't > have her death information. They had eleven children of whom Simon was > the eighth child. > > Francis was the son of Hazel Lovelace born Mar 31, 1766 in Frederick Co MD, > d Jul 30, 1838 > in Newberry Dist SC. The name of his wife in unknown to me. They had > eleven children of > whom Francis was the 4th born. > > Hazel was the son of Joseph Lovelace bon ca 1732 Charles Co MD and d bef > 1790 in Rowan Co > NC. He married Sarah Robey ca 1765 in Frederick Co MD. She was born ca > 1750 and I think > she died in SC sometime after 1840. I believe that she is found in the > households of her > sons prior to that date according to census records. I think Joseph and > Sarah had five sons > and perhaps a daughter, but Hazel is the only one found in church records > in MD. > > And now we get to the uncertain parts of our ancestry. Like our Benjamin, > we don't know > for sure who the father of Joseph is. I tend to believe that perhaps > Joseph was actually a > brother of my Benjamin (who was the father of Barton). > > It appears possible that the father of Joseph and Benjamin may have died > before the sons > were grown and I've narrowed the possibilities of who that might have been > to a Samuel > who seems to disappear from the records in MD in about 1745 and a Benjamin > who seems > to disappear from the records after 1737. > > I have found nothing that can prove any of that. Based on the fact that > both Benjamin > and Joseph lived near and went to the same church as John Baptist Lovelace, > and based > on DNA, they were cousins (records prove they weren't brothers) but perhaps > they were > even raised with JBL. > > When these folks left MD we find that JBL's kids and Joseph and his kids > end up in Rowan > Co NC where we also think our Barton (Benjamin's son) was headed before he > got > waylaid by the problem of horse theft and disappears from records for > another twelve > years. > > I'm putting all my research into one very tiny nutshell, but maybe this > will help you > fill in some gaps. > Lou Ann > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Cc: > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:01:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 216 > > In a message dated 12/19/14 11:23:13 AM, [email protected] writes: > > > > > > http://www.uscemeteryproj2.com/tennessee/crockett/cypress/forsythevl.htm > , > > it looks like she stayed in Crockett County TN after her divorce with > > Lois. > > She passed away in 1923 with the last name of Forsythe > > > > Stephen, 1923 isn't a good date. She was born in 1919. Did you perhaps > mean > 1973? > Thanks > Lou Ann > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Greg Lovelace <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:53:08 -0500 > Subject: [LL] New Cuzzin > Hi, folks > > And hello to Cindy Henderson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Welcome to the group, Cindy. When you get comfortable with us, let us know > who you're researching, and we'll do our best to help you connect. In the > meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit our > website > at > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace > > Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an > ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now > by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. > > And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling > the > confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and > Loveless > families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website > (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA website > (http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! > > > Glad to have with us :-) > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > > To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Y-Chromosome DNA is strictly paternal line. If you haven't dome any DNA testing, this is what you need to get someone to give you for Christmas (maybe give it to yourself): https://www.familytreedna.com/family-finder-compare.aspx Ancestry.com and 23andMe offer essentially the same test. Serious researchers upload their results to GEDmatch.com when they receive them so that they can compare with people that tested with other services. Autosomal DNA tests like these help find common ancestors (i.e. locate cousin relationships) and the sex of the people being compared does not matter. Hope this helps. Jack Wyatt ________________________________ From: Stephen Scarborough via <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 218 Thank you for that information Lou Ann, it did help. I wish I would be able to go back further. I do apologive on the year of Velmar's death as I meant to put 1973. Would you happen to have any life stories of any of the Lovelace's that I'm related to? Also, if I was to do a Y-Chromosome DNA test, would it reach into the Lovelace side since Velmar is my Great Grandmother?

Hi, folks And hello to Cindy Henderson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Welcome to the group, Cindy. When you get comfortable with us, let us know who you're researching, and we'll do our best to help you connect. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit our website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling the confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and Loveless families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA website (http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! Glad to have with us :-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

In a message dated 12/19/14 11:23:13 AM, [email protected] writes: > > http://www.uscemeteryproj2.com/tennessee/crockett/cypress/forsythevl.htm, > it looks like she stayed in Crockett County TN after her divorce with > Lois. > She passed away in 1923 with the last name of Forsythe > Stephen, 1923 isn't a good date. She was born in 1919. Did you perhaps mean 1973? Thanks Lou Ann

Stephen, I have James P Loveless b Sep 1865 in Lauderdale Co TN, d ca 1936 Lauderdale Co TN m Nancy Jane Beasley Mar 1885 she was b Jan 1867 TN, d Sep 5, 1934 Lauderdale Co TN They had 8 children of whom Robert Lee was the oldest. Actually, Laura Gaither said they had seven children, but there may have been a daughter who married a Kasper Saunderman, but possibly died young. James was the son of Simon K Loveless b Mar 16, 1838, Lauderdale Co AL, d 1928 Dyer TN married Nancy Ann Jones Mar 19, 1862 in Lauderdale Co TN she was born ca 1858 in TN, but I don't have her death date. I show they had seven children, James Pugh being the second born, but oldest son. Simon was the son of Francis Loveless b Oct 13, 1793 Newberry Dist SC and d 1870 in TN married Elizabeth who surname was probably HIPP. She was born Jun 6, 1800 in SC, I don't have her death information. They had eleven children of whom Simon was the eighth child. Francis was the son of Hazel Lovelace born Mar 31, 1766 in Frederick Co MD, d Jul 30, 1838 in Newberry Dist SC. The name of his wife in unknown to me. They had eleven children of whom Francis was the 4th born. Hazel was the son of Joseph Lovelace bon ca 1732 Charles Co MD and d bef 1790 in Rowan Co NC. He married Sarah Robey ca 1765 in Frederick Co MD. She was born ca 1750 and I think she died in SC sometime after 1840. I believe that she is found in the households of her sons prior to that date according to census records. I think Joseph and Sarah had five sons and perhaps a daughter, but Hazel is the only one found in church records in MD. And now we get to the uncertain parts of our ancestry. Like our Benjamin, we don't know for sure who the father of Joseph is. I tend to believe that perhaps Joseph was actually a brother of my Benjamin (who was the father of Barton). It appears possible that the father of Joseph and Benjamin may have died before the sons were grown and I've narrowed the possibilities of who that might have been to a Samuel who seems to disappear from the records in MD in about 1745 and a Benjamin who seems to disappear from the records after 1737. I have found nothing that can prove any of that. Based on the fact that both Benjamin and Joseph lived near and went to the same church as John Baptist Lovelace, and based on DNA, they were cousins (records prove they weren't brothers) but perhaps they were even raised with JBL. When these folks left MD we find that JBL's kids and Joseph and his kids end up in Rowan Co NC where we also think our Barton (Benjamin's son) was headed before he got waylaid by the problem of horse theft and disappears from records for another twelve years. I'm putting all my research into one very tiny nutshell, but maybe this will help you fill in some gaps. Lou Ann

Lucky O'Neal Taylor / Mary Ethel Lovelace / John William "Will" Lovelace / James Thaddeus "Thad" Lovelace / Hazel Lovelace / ? Hazle Lovelace / Joseph Lovelace / Thomas Lovelace / John Lovelace (obituary source: TimesDaily, Florence, Lauderdale, Alabama - 4 Dec 2014) Lucky O. Taylor     Lucky O'Neal Taylor, 75, died Tuesday, Dec. 2, 2014.    Lucky was a life-time resident of Lauderdale County. He graduated from Rogers High School where he loved playing basketball. He was retired from Reynolds.    He was preceded in death by his parents, Silas P. Taylor Sr. and Mary Lovelace Taylor, brothers, Harley, Mack Dee, Clyde, and Terry Taylor, and sisters, Lois Crumpton and Bonnie Johnston.    Survivors include wife, Carolyn Jones Taylor; and daughters, Cassandra Graham and husband, Bryce, Rhonda Hanvey and husband, Gary, and Teresa Grigsby; children, Stacy McCormack and husband, Bartt, and Wade Taylor and wife, Donna; 12 grandchildren; and ten great-grandchildren; sisters, Kathern Burgess and Dot Foster and husband, Robert; brother, Silas P Taylor Jr. and wife, Peggy; and several nieces and nephews.    A private graveside service will be held at a later date.    He was a Dandy!    Greenhill Funeral Home is in charge of arrangements. Greg Adams

LOVELACE, Colette Celebration of Life Service for Ms. Colette Lovelace of Sawnee, GA. Saturday, December 20, 2014. 1:00pm Willie A. Watkins Douglasville Chapel, 8312 Dallas Hwy. Evangelist Pamela Endsley eulogist. Interment Lincoln Cemetery. Viewing today 5-7. Willie A. Watkins Douglasville Chapel (770)489-6751 Published in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Dec. 19, 2014

Hi, Stephen, and welcome again :-) It would help us if you could provide some geographical context for the family. Where did they live? Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Scarborough via Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 216 Thank you Greg. Velmar Lovelace is my Great Grandmother on my father's side. Her first husband was Lois Scarborough and they had my Grandfather Virgil Robert Scarborough. While doing research on Velmar, I was only able to find out the following information: Velmar Lovelace is the daughter of Robert Lee Lovelace (1887-?) and Katie Young (B. and D. unknown). Robert Lee Lovelace is the son of James P Lovelace (1865-?) and Nancy Jane Beasley (1867-?). It would be awesome if ya'll could help me fill in the gaps and also go back further. Any stories of Velmar or her direct heritage would be awesome as well. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New Cuzzin (Greg Lovelace) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Greg Lovelace <[email protected]m> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:13:40 -0500 > Subject: [LL] New Cuzzin > Hi, folks > > And hello to Stephen Scarborough [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > Stephen is descended from the same line as Velmar Lovelace. I'll let > him fill us in on the details. > > > Welcome to the group, Stephen. When you get a chance, post a message > showing your line as you know it so the rest of the folks here can > chip in and help. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, > and be sure to visit our website at > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace > > Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is > an ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it > right now by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. > > And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in > unravelling the confusion surrounding several of the colonial American > Lovelace and Loveless families. The results are posted both on the > FamilyTreeDNA website > (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA > website > (http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! > > > Glad to have with us :-) > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > > To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional > text. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to http://www.uscemeteryproj2.com/tennessee/crockett/cypress/forsythevl.htm, it looks like she stayed in Crockett County TN after her divorce with Lois. She passed away in 1923 with the last name of Forsythe. Other records searches are not giving me much information. I'm not really able to get much information from my grandfather as that side of the family doesn't really talk to me much. Another records search shows me that Velmar and Lois had a daughter by the name of Peggy Ann Hale, who died July 7th, 2012 and she lived in Friendship, TN. Peggy had Two brothers, Robert Virgil Scarborough (my grandfather), and Billy Neil Scarborough. I'm not sure if this info is relevant, but so far, it's the best I could come up with. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Greg Lovelace <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Stephen, and welcome again :-) > It would help us if you could provide some geographical context for the > family. Where did they live? > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Stephen Scarborough via > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:28 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 216 > > Thank you Greg. Velmar Lovelace is my Great Grandmother on my father's > side. > Her first husband was Lois Scarborough and they had my Grandfather Virgil > Robert Scarborough. While doing research on Velmar, I was only able to find > out the following information: Velmar Lovelace is the daughter of Robert > Lee > Lovelace (1887-?) and Katie Young (B. and D. unknown). Robert Lee Lovelace > is the son of James P Lovelace (1865-?) and Nancy Jane Beasley (1867-?). It > would be awesome if ya'll could help me fill in the gaps and also go back > further. Any stories of Velmar or her direct heritage would be awesome as > well. > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. New Cuzzin (Greg Lovelace) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Greg Lovelace <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: > > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:13:40 -0500 > > Subject: [LL] New Cuzzin > > Hi, folks > > > > And hello to Stephen Scarborough [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Stephen is descended from the same line as Velmar Lovelace. I'll let > > him fill us in on the details. > > > > > > Welcome to the group, Stephen. When you get a chance, post a message > > showing your line as you know it so the rest of the folks here can > > chip in and help. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, > > and be sure to visit our website at > > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace > > > > Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is > > an ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it > > right now by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the > main page. > > > > And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in > > unravelling the confusion surrounding several of the colonial American > > Lovelace and Loveless families. The results are posted both on the > > FamilyTreeDNA website > > (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA > > website > > (http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! > > > > > > Glad to have with us :-) > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > > > > > To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional > > text. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you Greg. Velmar Lovelace is my Great Grandmother on my father's side. Her first husband was Lois Scarborough and they had my Grandfather Virgil Robert Scarborough. While doing research on Velmar, I was only able to find out the following information: Velmar Lovelace is the daughter of Robert Lee Lovelace (1887-?) and Katie Young (B. and D. unknown). Robert Lee Lovelace is the son of James P Lovelace (1865-?) and Nancy Jane Beasley (1867-?). It would be awesome if ya'll could help me fill in the gaps and also go back further. Any stories of Velmar or her direct heritage would be awesome as well. On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. New Cuzzin (Greg Lovelace) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Greg Lovelace <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:13:40 -0500 > Subject: [LL] New Cuzzin > Hi, folks > > And hello to Stephen Scarborough [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > Stephen is descended from the same line as Velmar Lovelace. I'll let him > fill us in on the details. > > > Welcome to the group, Stephen. When you get a chance, post a message > showing your line as you know it so the rest of the folks here can chip in > and help. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure > to > visit our website at > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace > > Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an > ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now > by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. > > And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling > the > confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and > Loveless > families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website > (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA website > (http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! > > > Glad to have with us :-) > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > > To contact the LOVELACE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the LOVELACE mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Hi, folks And hello to Stephen Scarborough [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Stephen is descended from the same line as Velmar Lovelace. I'll let him fill us in on the details. Welcome to the group, Stephen. When you get a chance, post a message showing your line as you know it so the rest of the folks here can chip in and help. In the meantime, feel free to dig in our archives, and be sure to visit our website at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace Our online library of Lovelxxx documents, narratives, and pictures is an ongoing project to which we add as time allows. You can access it right now by clicking on the "Documents" button on the left margin of the main page. And our y-chromosome DNA study has proven very successful in unravelling the confusion surrounding several of the colonial American Lovelace and Loveless families. The results are posted both on the FamilyTreeDNA website (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/lovelace/) and on our own DNA website (http://dna.satmel.com/results.html) Take a look! Glad to have with us :-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Hey Greg: After the last group of changes for Windows 7 my email kept asking for ID and password and would not connect. It eventually corrected itself - not sure if this is similar you what you were experiencing or not, but though that I would pass it on jic. Bob. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lovelace via Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LL] test All, I'm having email problems and am sending this through to see if it gets bounced back. Please ignore. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, I'm having email problems and am sending this through to see if it gets bounced back. Please ignore. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

My family did live there at the time of the martyrs I am wondering if you can assist at all with history? regards annie

Franklin, Thank you for the offer. I am going to forward it to the Tolpuddle list. There may be some interest there, too. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Franklin Loveless via Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LL] LOVELACE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 212 CONVICT SHIP "SUCCESS" I have a copy of the brochure concerning the convict ship success It talks about the Six Men of Dorset. This includes James Loveless and George Loveless a brother in law I have scanned the brochure, if you would like a copy please email and i will send it to you ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

CONVICT SHIP "SUCCESS" I have a copy of the brochure concerning the convict ship success It talks about the Six Men of Dorset. This includes James Loveless and George Loveless a brother in law I have scanned the brochure, if you would like a copy please email and i will send it to you