I thought when I sent that letter to both FTMdna and the Love list that you could see that I had?? Guess not. If the members of those tests that we don't know about trust me enough to send me their numbers. I will compare them privately and let people know if they match. Otherwise we can wait for a reply from FTMdna. For those of you interested. From what I gather the 12 marker test is not that great. The 25 marker test is what most people are doing. A 25/25 match means you are related within about 8 generations. Much easier for us than trying to find a connection in the dark ages. <G> I wish they would put out a book called " Genealogy DNA for Idiots" I'd be the first to buy one. Mary Harkey Russell [email protected] http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird