Mike, I don't have anything that mates up with your data at this point. I wonder if we have a situation like some others that are late emigrees and we've got common ancestors, but back in the "Olde Country". We've got to figure out a way to "jump the pond" and get some factual data from England, Scotland & Ireland. I'll get your data posted in my database and keep my eyes peeled for some help. Later, Lou MALLARD99@aol.com wrote: Thanks for your e-mail; I've corresponded with an rllove, but he was on yahoo so I think this is a new try! I can't help you a whole lot, but maybe you can help me. We hired a genealogical researcher to track our Love family, but she got only back to John W. Love, 1843-1907, who married Sarah Melissa Dolliver (1842-1926) in 1864. She apparently came from New York, and the Love family moved to Saginaw, MI between 1866 and 1868. There are indications from the researcher, and from the recollections of a relative of my father, that John's father was a James Love, 1818-?, who was listed in the 1850 Federal census for Wayne County, MI (basically, Detroit) as then being a painter, age 60, born in Scotland. His son John W., age 11 in the same census, was listed as born in Canada, so our researcher figured out that James moved from Canada to Michigan in the late 1840's, was in New York state circa 1834, and in Scotland circa 1820. (Our researcher then got married and moved to Malaysia [with half of our original retainer unspent], and we've never heard from her again.) Of course, there are numerous Loves listed in records as having come from southern Scotland, northern England, and Ireland. There are several references in our files to the MacKinnon Clan of Scotland, one of the branches of the MacAlpine descendents who held lands in Mull and later in Skye which were given originally to Ewan, Chief of the Clan, by James V in 1542. The MacAlpine Clan fought for Charles I at Inverlochy, and were forced to part with their lands in 1791; landless, and after some dispute, they finally placed their chiefship with MacKinnon of Acryse. There also are notes of a Richard Love, 28, transported to America on the ship Mathew of London on a warrant for Ye Earl of Carlisle, by Charles II on Oct. 14, 1662. There's a deed of Oct. 4, 1773 to Moses Whitesides delivered on June, 1780 to a James Love (father of Thomas Love, grandfather of Susannah), as described in the Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, 1745-1800, Vol. III. And there's a record of a James Love, of Ashley and Ryde (town), for 1 hearth in the Hearth Tax returns for the Isle of Wight, 1664-74. Whether or not these have anything to do with our family is anybody's guess! (Oh, and there's also some good old family gossip that our original UK ancestor was granted property in Ireland for something he did for the Crown, but that he lost his lands and emigrated to the U.S. because of running away/eloping with a chambermaid....) That's about all I've got; please let me know if any of the above fit in with your family findings. The James Love ("the weaver") in Scotland or Ireland may work, but only if the gaps to the 1800's can be filled in and match up to what about our family is actually known.... All best wishes, Mike Love, Winnetka, IL