Hi Pat - Lou Love here - As I understand the YDNA testing and results - The prime way that you get Love males not matching is they have a different lineage - they don't belong in the line into which they thought they were born. "Shoehorning" people and dates to make them fit often causes this problem. I've done it as a research tool at times in my "research database" just to see if I can make connections. It rarely works. However, through adoption, out-of wedlock births, adultery, or rape, someone who is NOT a Love, could be siring male children who claim the Love surname. That Really muddies the waters. Just some random wanderings of a feeble mind. Love to all, Lou Louis E. Love, O.D. Pat Kennedy <pat-igree-kenn@charter.net> wrote: Dear Gene, I'm one of the cousins from across the great Columbia River. I wonder how I can help in having another DNA testing on the Joseph Love and Mary Teas line, that is testing of some one in my family. I think the line is broken, but let me go over a possible (two ideals.) Joseph Love (1728-1804) md: Mary Teas (1734-1815) John Love (1766-1851 md: Orpha Dungan (1775-1813) Jeremiah Dungan Love (1801-1866) md: Elizabeth McCray (1804-1888) William M. Love (1824-1865) md: Hannah Elrita Kimmons/Kimmins (1832-1856) ***** Hannah Elizabeth "Lizzie" Love (1851-1918) md: John W. Allstott (1835-1907) [Is this line broken for DNA, because of a female???] R. E. Allstott md: Mary E. Wardwell R. E. and Mary E. (Wardwell) Allstott, had eight (8) girls and three boys; I think the line is broken for DNA testing with girls. How about the 3 sons, could the line be open for testing? One son, had 2 daughter; next son had 2 girls (1 living) and 2 boys (both deceased); next son had 3 sons (all living) and 1 daughter (living.) Another question??? John B. Love (1836-1915) md: #1 Catherine Phariss (1840-1866). Is Len Walker Love a child of John B. Love's first marriage or his second? If a child of Catherine Phariss, maybe we could check through my brothers DNA.....as Catherine Phariss, is of my fathers Phariss line. Which doesn't make much sense, but is a thought. Another thought: Hannah Elizabeth "Lizzie" Love's brother married into the Chickasaw Loves.....which goes back to William Love. I wish I could be of more help on this testing, but I'm sure because of the female line, the DNA testing is out of the question? What do you think? Pat Kennedy pat-igree-kenn@charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: [LOVE] Joseph Love line DNA (long) > > I am Raymond Eugene Love (Gene) Kit # 8299. Contact at > raynbeau1@aol.com. > My line to Joseph Love and Mary Teas has a strong base of information. > Albeit, not all is documented, but continuing research has found little > to refute > what is thought to be correct. > Joseph Love (1728-1804) m. Mary Teas (1734-1815) > John Love (1766-1851) m. Orpha Dungan (1775-1813) > Jeremiah Dungan Love (1801-1866) m. Elizabeth McCray (1804-1888) > John B. Love (1836-1915) m. (1) Catherine Phariss (1840-1866), (2) > Permelia > Angeline Shipman > Len Walker Love (1875-1937) m. Minnie Lee Worthington (1884-1971) > John B. Love (1901-1976) m. Ira Belle Davis (1900-1976) > Adrian Claude Love (1920-1991) m. Myrtle Mae Williamson (1921- ) > Raymond Eugene Love (1942- ) > Now here’s my situation. Until DNA testing came into the genealogical > bag > of research, no thought of there being something different then the above > Love line ever crossed my mind. The FTDNA test does not connect me to > any other > Love line, as expected. Nor does it verify a connection to my own line. > One or two of the Loves tested seem to connect to Joseph’s brother, > Samuel. > And I don’t match those tests. > Okay, “What in the Sam Hill is going on?” is the constant thought. Since > the original test of 25-Markers I updated to 37-Markers to find I match > exactly through 37 Markers with family names of WITT, SMITH, JOHNSON, > PRATT and 1 > Marker off with a MILLS. A 67-Marker update skews the results to show I’m > at > least 1 Marker off from all of them. FTDNA cannot give specific answers > to > questions as to when or what the deviation is. On another testing program > I > match 26/26 with an AMBERS. > Why so many different names? > I’m on the watch in all the other family sites for anything that would > provide a lead. They are all very active in research but none have > progressed as > far back in time as what I have for information. Nor have any shown a > concrete connection. Lots of speculations. Some have similar or same > surnames in > their lines but no connections have surfaced. It looks like, using the > FTDNA > most common ancestor information, some event occurred (a guess)between > the > late 1700s and the middle 1800s. An adoption, indenture, miscalculated > conception, loss of parents, or whatever; I just don’t know. The Johnson > line > ancestor, slave connection, was born in 1820 so it seems something had to > have > occured before then. > I ask, on bended knee with hat in hand, if anyone has information that > might > lead to a connection with any of the known family surnames, please post. > If there are Love descendents from the above Joseph Love line who have > not > tested, can we discuss the possibility of you getting tested? It’s a > simple > task. > Thank you all for listening. > Gene Love > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message