This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: katpaf Surnames: Love, Bridge Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.love/3645/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am seeking information on Margaret Love, b. 20 Sept. 1790, probably in New York, married Jesse Bridge, died 12 Aug 1859 in Madison County - possibly Stockbridge. I have records on her at all, just dates from my husband's grandfather. Does anyone have any information? Thank you so much - Kathy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

In a message dated 6/9/2007 9:22:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, richbob@cox.net writes: My brick wall is Adeline Love who was born 4 May, 1804 in South Carolina. She married John T. Minter 28 Mar 1824 and died. She is buried in Weir, Choctaw County, Mississippi. Hi, I noticed your Love connection. I am no kin to them just thought it was intereseting that I am a Love who married a Minter. A John Minter at that...LOL Have a nice evening, Jan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Many people have brick walls in their Love lines. Perhaps if those people would post their brick wall, others would be able to help them and list activity would be created. My brick wall is Adeline Love who was born 4 May, 1804 in South Carolina. She married John T. Minter 28 Mar 1824 and died. She is buried in Weir, Choctaw County, Mississippi.

In case this is of any interest or use to anyone. Saint John, N.B. Customs House Passenger Lists 1815, 1832, 1833-1834 & 1837-1838 brig Zephyr sailed from Sligo (Ballyshannon), April 10th 1833 / arr. June 1833 Port of Sligo - Ballyshannon April 10th 1833. A List of Passengers allowed to proceed on board the brig Zephyr of Liverpool, burthen 161 tons, navigated by 7 men. Hugh McDonnell Master, for St. John, New Brunswick. Mustered at Donegal Bay April 11th 1833. (all women are indicated as spinster, regardless of possible marital status) 44 Love, Joseph Labourer Saint John, N.B. Customs House Passenger Lists 1815, 1832, 1833-1834 & 1837-1838 brig Billow sailed from Londonderry April 13th 1833 / arr. June 1833 Port of Londonderry - A List of the crew and of such passengers as have entered to take their passage on board the brig Billow of Saint John, N.B., John Warnock Master, burthen per register 199 84/94 tons and bound for St. John, New Brunswick. 91 Love, Ephrem 21 County Tyrone Labourer Saint John, N.B. Customs House Passenger Lists 1815, 1832, 1833-1834 & 1837-1838 brig Highlander sailed from Londonderry May 11th 1834 / arr. June 12th 1834 Port of Londonderry - A List of Crew and Passengers on board the brig Highlander, James Gardner, Master, for Saint John, New Brunswick. (all women noted as "spinster" regardless of probable marital status) 43 Love, Isabella 23 Ramelton spinster BUT A whole group from Ramelton, including this Isabella Love Ramelton is in Co. Donegal 32 McCready, Thomas 40 Ramelton Farmer 33 McCready, Jane 34 " spinster 34 McCready, Mary 24 " spinster 35 McCready, Margaret 18 " spinster 36 McCready, Samuel 17 " Farmer 37 McCready, Jane 16 " spinster 38 McCready, Ann 15 " spinster 39 McCready, John 13 " [Farmer] 40 McCready, Violet 11 " daughter 41 McCready, Elizabeth 8 " daughter 42 Crevan/Creran, Charles 38 " Farmer 43 Love, Isabella 23 " spinster 44 Hoviskey, Grace 28 " spinster - Horiskey ***************************************** Carolyn Perkes, PhD Traduction français > anglais Montreal QC (Canada)

Has anyone researched the Loves from Wilkes Co., Georgia? Thanks. Betty Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Love" <llove1039@sbcglobal.net> To: "louis love" <louis012157@yahoo.com>; <LOVE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [LOVE] James Allen Love - FGS > Louis, Is it possible there is a connection for you with this James Allen Love family?? > Look forward to hearing from you. > Lou > Louis E. Love, O.D. > ======================== > Family Group Sheet > ========================================================================================== > Husband: James Allen LOVE > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Birth: 14 Jul 1859 > Death: Nov 1898 Lavaca Co., Texas > Marriage: 1878 Belton, Texas > Father: Joseph Allen LOVE ( - ) > Mother: Nancy ZUMWALT ( - ) > ========================================================================================== > Wife: Artimissia Elizabeth SPEARS > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Father: > Mother: > ========================================================================================== > Children > ========================================================================================== > 1 F Annie LOVE > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 2 F Frankie [Frances?] LOVE > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 3 F Cora LOVE > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 4 F Fanny Bell LOVE > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 5 F Viola LOVE > ========================================================================================== > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > HUSBAND NOTES: James Allen LOVE > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > General: James Allen Love b 14 July 1859 > Date:04/11/2000 9:30:31 PM CDT From:Thelegacyliveson@aol.com > Looking for information on James Allen Love, my great, great, great > grandfather. He was born July 14, 1859. Supposedly his parents were Allen Love > (Believe this is wrong) and his mother was Nancy Zumwalt. I have a copy of a > newspaper article that states his parents name. I believe however that his > father's name could be Joseph, as Joseph Love was married to Nancy Zumwalt. > He married Artimissia Elizabeth Spears in 1878 in Belton, Texas. James Allen > Love was shot to death in Lavaca County, Texas in November 1898 in the act of > stealing cattle. He left a wife, Artimissia and daughters (Annie, Frankie, > Cora, Fanny Bell, Viola) to mourn him. If any of these names rings a bell with > anyone please let me know. Thanks a lot. Any information would be God send. > > Cindy Marsalia thelegacyliveson@aol.com > ============== LOVE Mailing List =============== > RE: LOVE - Old Loves > Date: 06/24/2001 12:00:08 AM CDT > From: koenig@eastex.net (Mary Koenig) > I'm trying to trace an Allen Love, dob about 1796, Brunswick, VA (don't know if > that's a town or a county); dod 18 July 1853, Bastrop Tx. I think his father was > an Edward Love, dob about 1766, married to a Lucy Harrison. His father was a > Hugh Love, dob about 1736. > I would Love to know anything and everything anyone might know about these > people who are my ancestors. > I know Allen had a son named Joseph, who had a son named James Allen. He and his > wife Artemissia Spears Love were my great great grandparents. Our family knows > little about James Allen or Artimissia beyond the fact of their children's names > and the fact that they settled in Hallettsville, Tx, my birthplace. > Thanks! Mary koenig@eastex.net > ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== > Re: [LOVE-L] Loves in Bartlesville, etc. > Date: 07/27/2001 11:32:11 PM CDT From: koenig@eastex.net (Mary > Koenig) > Re Loves in the Cherokee Nation: my grandma and dad both always said that our > family had Cherokee blood, but I've never been able to trace the truth or > fiction of this. My grandmother was Mary Dietz (m. Wylie Jansky). Her father and > mother were James Adams Dietz and Annie Love Dietz Balsch. I don't know much at > all about James's parents, but Annie's parents were James Allen (Jim) Love and > Artimissia Elizabeth Spears Love. Jim Love's grandfather was supposed to have > been Allen Love, b. VA, d. Texas. We can't pinpoint Jim's parents beyond the > fact that his mother was supposed to have been Nancy Zumwalt. Jim and Artimissia > both died in Hallettsville, Lavaca Co. Texas. If anyone knows of possible > connection to the Cherokee Nation via the Loves, Dietz's, or Spears, I would > surely appreciate the info. Thank you Mary > > ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== > Dawn Love-searching in IN, VA/WV > Date: 7/6/2003 3:45:25 PM CDT From: > ryoga_hibiki_76116@yahoo.com > I'm one of the new members signing in for the roll call. Here's what I know so > far starting with me: > Dawn LOVE > ...Doyne Marvin LOVE, Jr. b.1947 m. Susan Marie TERNI-1967 > .....Doyne Marvin LOVE b.1917, Brazil,IN m.Ruth HUTCHINS d.1990 > .......Byron LOVE b. Feb 23,1890, Brazil,IN m.Dorothy Franklin MEAKIN d.1967 > siblings-Charles(Clark)b.Dec 1897 and Lou I (sister) b.May 1900 > .........Emory(Emery)LOVE b.Mar 7,1865 in VA m.Lou Patton, 1885 d.date unknown > sib-Rodolphus b.1866, Lucebe(Lucy) b.1869, Howard b.1875 Leslie > E. b.1885 > ............Edward LOVE b. 1842 VA m.Mary M STARKS 1863 > sib-Mary b.1832, Byron b.1836, Rebecca b. 1877, Anthony b.1879, > William > b.1881, John b. 1844, Prudence b. 1849 all in VA > ..................John E LOVE b. abt 1806 VA m. Mahala ROHRBAUGH (b.1813 VA) > Some of this I haven't verified yet with actual records. Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > Dawn Love > ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== > > > > louis love <louis012157@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello, I'm kit # 17651. > My gg-grandfather was Allen Love, b abt.1796, Va., I think his father's > name was Andrew, not sure. Allen migrated to N. or S. Carolina, then to > Georgia. Married a Merriwether, moved to Ala. had 4 or 5 children, migrated > to Lavaca Co., TX. His wife died a yr. or two later. Moved to Fayette Co., What is now known a Bastrop Co..Re-married, Lucinda Zumwalt, my gg-grandmother,. > Allen's sons names are James C., Joseph, John & Hugh, > > Louis Love > > > Lou Love <llove1039@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I don't know why I haven't done this before - Failed to see your email addresses or the site has changed so that it's more visible... Whatever!! > > You'll notice I'm sending this to the list as well as individually. Trying to help Mary stir up some list activity. > > Some of us have talked before,even recently. Others I have not communicated with, as far as my feeble memory serves. AND I recently had my computer go down and for some reason my correspondence log in my genealogy backup isn't there. SO lets begin again. Let's compare notes on our lines and see if we can find our common ground. > > Who's your earliest ancestor ? - Mine - James Love, "the weaver" > [I just sent my entire line to the list] > Where ? - he's thought to have been b in Scotland or Ireland in > When ? 1704/5 > Early on in my research, I assumed James father was a James as well due to "Naming Patterns" - Oldest son being named for paternal grandfather, etc. > Then, for the longest time I thought his father might be Robert Love, who left a will in Pa. 1741 & mar. 3 times. There is a biography by William Calhoun Love who visited "Kin" in Miss. [sons & Grandsons of William "English Bill" Love and Thomas Love who marr. into the Chickasaw Nation]. Wm. Calhoun Love was a descendant [it appears] of this Robert of 1741 will. Now it appears DNA evidence rules this OUT. CONFUSION REIGNS !! > Now I'm wondering if I weren't correct in my original assumption that James is "the weavers" father. > > What are your brickwalls ? - The parents of James is just ONE of my brickwalls. Many of my research lines are blocked by unknown lastnames for wives of the male. > > Does anyone have a secret for finding these "lost" women. They are referred to by given name only [if at all] in wills, and marriage certs have proven impossible to locate. > > BTW - I have over 60,000 folks in my research database - Lots of LOVEs ! and collateral lines. > > In MY Love Line database I have over 30,000 connections - so I've got a lot of data collected over the years. My line is pretty well documented - others are a COLLECTION of the work of others and not personally documented by me. I share it in that vein - it's a lead - CHECK IT OUT TO VERIFY IT. > > Hope to hear more from you LOVE CUZINS> > Love, Lou > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LOVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Doesn't ring a bell with me Betty - Who specifically are you looking for & when? Love, Lou "Betty G. McCollum" <betmac@centurytel.net> wrote: Has anyone researched the Loves from Wilkes Co., Georgia? Thanks. Betty Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lou Love" To: "louis love" ; Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [LOVE] James Allen Love - FGS > Louis, Is it possible there is a connection for you with this James Allen Love family?? > Look forward to hearing from you. > Lou > Louis E. Love, O.D.

Louis, Is it possible there is a connection for you with this James Allen Love family?? Look forward to hearing from you. Lou Louis E. Love, O.D. ======================== Family Group Sheet ========================================================================================== Husband: James Allen LOVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Birth: 14 Jul 1859 Death: Nov 1898 Lavaca Co., Texas Marriage: 1878 Belton, Texas Father: Joseph Allen LOVE ( - ) Mother: Nancy ZUMWALT ( - ) ========================================================================================== Wife: Artimissia Elizabeth SPEARS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Father: Mother: ========================================================================================== Children ========================================================================================== 1 F Annie LOVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2 F Frankie [Frances?] LOVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3 F Cora LOVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4 F Fanny Bell LOVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5 F Viola LOVE ========================================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HUSBAND NOTES: James Allen LOVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ General: James Allen Love b 14 July 1859 Date:04/11/2000 9:30:31 PM CDT From:Thelegacyliveson@aol.com Looking for information on James Allen Love, my great, great, great grandfather. He was born July 14, 1859. Supposedly his parents were Allen Love (Believe this is wrong) and his mother was Nancy Zumwalt. I have a copy of a newspaper article that states his parents name. I believe however that his father's name could be Joseph, as Joseph Love was married to Nancy Zumwalt. He married Artimissia Elizabeth Spears in 1878 in Belton, Texas. James Allen Love was shot to death in Lavaca County, Texas in November 1898 in the act of stealing cattle. He left a wife, Artimissia and daughters (Annie, Frankie, Cora, Fanny Bell, Viola) to mourn him. If any of these names rings a bell with anyone please let me know. Thanks a lot. Any information would be God send. Cindy Marsalia thelegacyliveson@aol.com ============== LOVE Mailing List =============== RE: LOVE - Old Loves Date: 06/24/2001 12:00:08 AM CDT From: koenig@eastex.net (Mary Koenig) I'm trying to trace an Allen Love, dob about 1796, Brunswick, VA (don't know if that's a town or a county); dod 18 July 1853, Bastrop Tx. I think his father was an Edward Love, dob about 1766, married to a Lucy Harrison. His father was a Hugh Love, dob about 1736. I would Love to know anything and everything anyone might know about these people who are my ancestors. I know Allen had a son named Joseph, who had a son named James Allen. He and his wife Artemissia Spears Love were my great great grandparents. Our family knows little about James Allen or Artimissia beyond the fact of their children's names and the fact that they settled in Hallettsville, Tx, my birthplace. Thanks! Mary koenig@eastex.net ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== Re: [LOVE-L] Loves in Bartlesville, etc. Date: 07/27/2001 11:32:11 PM CDT From: koenig@eastex.net (Mary Koenig) Re Loves in the Cherokee Nation: my grandma and dad both always said that our family had Cherokee blood, but I've never been able to trace the truth or fiction of this. My grandmother was Mary Dietz (m. Wylie Jansky). Her father and mother were James Adams Dietz and Annie Love Dietz Balsch. I don't know much at all about James's parents, but Annie's parents were James Allen (Jim) Love and Artimissia Elizabeth Spears Love. Jim Love's grandfather was supposed to have been Allen Love, b. VA, d. Texas. We can't pinpoint Jim's parents beyond the fact that his mother was supposed to have been Nancy Zumwalt. Jim and Artimissia both died in Hallettsville, Lavaca Co. Texas. If anyone knows of possible connection to the Cherokee Nation via the Loves, Dietz's, or Spears, I would surely appreciate the info. Thank you Mary ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== Dawn Love-searching in IN, VA/WV Date: 7/6/2003 3:45:25 PM CDT From: ryoga_hibiki_76116@yahoo.com I'm one of the new members signing in for the roll call. Here's what I know so far starting with me: Dawn LOVE ...Doyne Marvin LOVE, Jr. b.1947 m. Susan Marie TERNI-1967 .....Doyne Marvin LOVE b.1917, Brazil,IN m.Ruth HUTCHINS d.1990 .......Byron LOVE b. Feb 23,1890, Brazil,IN m.Dorothy Franklin MEAKIN d.1967 siblings-Charles(Clark)b.Dec 1897 and Lou I (sister) b.May 1900 .........Emory(Emery)LOVE b.Mar 7,1865 in VA m.Lou Patton, 1885 d.date unknown sib-Rodolphus b.1866, Lucebe(Lucy) b.1869, Howard b.1875 Leslie E. b.1885 ............Edward LOVE b. 1842 VA m.Mary M STARKS 1863 sib-Mary b.1832, Byron b.1836, Rebecca b. 1877, Anthony b.1879, William b.1881, John b. 1844, Prudence b. 1849 all in VA ..................John E LOVE b. abt 1806 VA m. Mahala ROHRBAUGH (b.1813 VA) Some of this I haven't verified yet with actual records. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dawn Love ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== louis love <louis012157@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello, I'm kit # 17651. My gg-grandfather was Allen Love, b abt.1796, Va., I think his father's name was Andrew, not sure. Allen migrated to N. or S. Carolina, then to Georgia. Married a Merriwether, moved to Ala. had 4 or 5 children, migrated to Lavaca Co., TX. His wife died a yr. or two later. Moved to Fayette Co., What is now known a Bastrop Co..Re-married, Lucinda Zumwalt, my gg-grandmother,. Allen's sons names are James C., Joseph, John & Hugh, Louis Love Lou Love <llove1039@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I don't know why I haven't done this before - Failed to see your email addresses or the site has changed so that it's more visible... Whatever!! You'll notice I'm sending this to the list as well as individually. Trying to help Mary stir up some list activity. Some of us have talked before,even recently. Others I have not communicated with, as far as my feeble memory serves. AND I recently had my computer go down and for some reason my correspondence log in my genealogy backup isn't there. SO lets begin again. Let's compare notes on our lines and see if we can find our common ground. Who's your earliest ancestor ? - Mine - James Love, "the weaver" [I just sent my entire line to the list] Where ? - he's thought to have been b in Scotland or Ireland in When ? 1704/5 Early on in my research, I assumed James father was a James as well due to "Naming Patterns" - Oldest son being named for paternal grandfather, etc. Then, for the longest time I thought his father might be Robert Love, who left a will in Pa. 1741 & mar. 3 times. There is a biography by William Calhoun Love who visited "Kin" in Miss. [sons & Grandsons of William "English Bill" Love and Thomas Love who marr. into the Chickasaw Nation]. Wm. Calhoun Love was a descendant [it appears] of this Robert of 1741 will. Now it appears DNA evidence rules this OUT. CONFUSION REIGNS !! Now I'm wondering if I weren't correct in my original assumption that James is "the weavers" father. What are your brickwalls ? - The parents of James is just ONE of my brickwalls. Many of my research lines are blocked by unknown lastnames for wives of the male. Does anyone have a secret for finding these "lost" women. They are referred to by given name only [if at all] in wills, and marriage certs have proven impossible to locate. BTW - I have over 60,000 folks in my research database - Lots of LOVEs ! and collateral lines. In MY Love Line database I have over 30,000 connections - so I've got a lot of data collected over the years. My line is pretty well documented - others are a COLLECTION of the work of others and not personally documented by me. I share it in that vein - it's a lead - CHECK IT OUT TO VERIFY IT. Hope to hear more from you LOVE CUZINS> Love, Lou --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Mike, I don't have anything that mates up with your data at this point. I wonder if we have a situation like some others that are late emigrees and we've got common ancestors, but back in the "Olde Country". We've got to figure out a way to "jump the pond" and get some factual data from England, Scotland & Ireland. I'll get your data posted in my database and keep my eyes peeled for some help. Later, Lou MALLARD99@aol.com wrote: Thanks for your e-mail; I've corresponded with an rllove, but he was on yahoo so I think this is a new try! I can't help you a whole lot, but maybe you can help me. We hired a genealogical researcher to track our Love family, but she got only back to John W. Love, 1843-1907, who married Sarah Melissa Dolliver (1842-1926) in 1864. She apparently came from New York, and the Love family moved to Saginaw, MI between 1866 and 1868. There are indications from the researcher, and from the recollections of a relative of my father, that John's father was a James Love, 1818-?, who was listed in the 1850 Federal census for Wayne County, MI (basically, Detroit) as then being a painter, age 60, born in Scotland. His son John W., age 11 in the same census, was listed as born in Canada, so our researcher figured out that James moved from Canada to Michigan in the late 1840's, was in New York state circa 1834, and in Scotland circa 1820. (Our researcher then got married and moved to Malaysia [with half of our original retainer unspent], and we've never heard from her again.) Of course, there are numerous Loves listed in records as having come from southern Scotland, northern England, and Ireland. There are several references in our files to the MacKinnon Clan of Scotland, one of the branches of the MacAlpine descendents who held lands in Mull and later in Skye which were given originally to Ewan, Chief of the Clan, by James V in 1542. The MacAlpine Clan fought for Charles I at Inverlochy, and were forced to part with their lands in 1791; landless, and after some dispute, they finally placed their chiefship with MacKinnon of Acryse. There also are notes of a Richard Love, 28, transported to America on the ship Mathew of London on a warrant for Ye Earl of Carlisle, by Charles II on Oct. 14, 1662. There's a deed of Oct. 4, 1773 to Moses Whitesides delivered on June, 1780 to a James Love (father of Thomas Love, grandfather of Susannah), as described in the Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, 1745-1800, Vol. III. And there's a record of a James Love, of Ashley and Ryde (town), for 1 hearth in the Hearth Tax returns for the Isle of Wight, 1664-74. Whether or not these have anything to do with our family is anybody's guess! (Oh, and there's also some good old family gossip that our original UK ancestor was granted property in Ireland for something he did for the Crown, but that he lost his lands and emigrated to the U.S. because of running away/eloping with a chambermaid....) That's about all I've got; please let me know if any of the above fit in with your family findings. The James Love ("the weaver") in Scotland or Ireland may work, but only if the gaps to the 1800's can be filled in and match up to what about our family is actually known.... All best wishes, Mike Love, Winnetka, IL

I am posting my husband's LOVE connection:.................... Christopher Love b. Bet 1770-1780 NC D. Bet 1830-1840 Habersham Co., GA married RHODA ????? bef. 1800 b. NC and died AFt. 1840 in Habersham Co., GA. William Hiram Love b. 1801 NC d. 06 Mar 1885 Habersham Co., GA married Olive xxxx @ 1835 in Georgia (I have been told that she was a daughter of George Wheeler & Elizabeth Underwood but have no proof) William Hiram and Olive had the following children: 1. David Green Love b. 31 Mar 1836, Habersham Co., GA. d. 22 Feb 1912, Fayette Co., Al. David G. Love married Mary C. Thompson in Habersham Co., GA 1. Clara Isabella Love b. 09 May 1864 Fulton Co., GA d. 09 Oct 1931 Fulton Co., GA married Sanford Newton Boyce in 1883 in Fulton Co., GA. Any information on Christopher Love of NC would be appreciated. Ida Boyce

Hi Everyone, I also have corresponded with some of you. My brother (Wallace K. Love) was the one previously listed on the matches. I have since changed it to my name. Here is our history for our Love family: My 4th great grandfather was born about 1734 and died 17 Dec 1826 in Frederick County, MD. His wife was Jane born about 1744 and died 18 Mar 1817 in Frederick County, MD. They had 3 children that I know of: Robert (my 3rd great grandfather), Jain & Mary. Son Robert married Keziah. They had 13 children: James b abt 1798 in MD, married Nelly Reynolds & Alphia Carsey Thomas b abt 1800 in PA, married Jane McDonald Alexander b abt 1801 in PA, married Sarah Ann Rannells William b abt 1803 in PA, married Eliza Pierce Robert Jr. b abt 1804 in OH, married Elizabeth Ann McDonald Jane b abt 1809 in OH, married Thomas McDonald Jacob b 1809/1810 in OH, married Louisa Brown John b 4 Jun 1812 in OH, married Sarah Frazier Asa b 1814 in OH, married Margaret Brown (my 2nd great grandfather) Jonas b bet 1815-1820, married Maria Dewit Samuel b 1817/1818 in OH, married Rhoda Linscott David b 16 Nov 1820 in OH, married Lavinna Brown Joseph b 30 Dec 1822, married Esther Carpenter My 4th great grandfather Robert was a Presbyterian and according to Linton Love, probably from Ireland and before that Scotland. I have not been able to go any further back. Hopefully I will someday. Happy Hunting, Barbara Marshall 480-945-5288 Lou: Thanks for getting something started again. I am still at a brick wall with my Love line. Looking at the DNA results, I do not see family lines for kit number 17651, which I match 24 out of 25 markers, or kit 42315, which I match 35 out of 37. I do not know who these people are, but would like to. I am kit number 8336. If you are kit 17651 or 42315 I would like to hear from you. Lou, you and I match on 23 out of 25 markers. My John Love ancestor is reported to have been born abt. 1775, and to have come to Chester District SC in 1806 from Scotland, but his father John Love may have been from the Dublin Ireland area. My guess is that he came to SC to be near relatives who were already there. He reportedly came with his brother Joseph, who lived on the NC/SC line, and had nine sons. John Love b. abt 1775, moved his family from SC to Madison Co. MS about 1830, where he bought land near Robert Love, a son of Alexander Love, who was born in PA, a son of Robert Love and Violet Wilson, I think. This part is from memory. John Love b. 1775 died and was buried on the Love family place at Sand Flat, Loves Creek, Madison Co MS, before 1840, I think. My great-great-grandfather, John Love, was born July 22, 1808, in, we think, Chester District, SC. His mother, Mary Dixon or Dickson, is reported to be buried in Chester, SC. John Love, b. 1808, m. Mary Hurst in 1834 in Madison Co. MS, and moved to TX in 1848 after selling his land. He bought land in Williamson Co. TX in 1852, and settled there. Mary Hurst Love d. 1850 in Bastrop Co. TX. I would like to hear from anyone whose DNA is a close match to kit 8336. I have already corresponded with several of you, but it never hurts to touch base again. Thanks. Bill Love of Galveston, TX. ----- Original Message ----- From: _Lou Love_ (mailto:llove1039@sbcglobal.net) To: _LOVE@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:LOVE@rootsweb.com) ; _Norris Love_ (mailto:mallard99@aol.com) ; _Wallace Keith Love_ (mailto:GMarsh8214@aol.com) ; _Robert Henry Love_ (mailto:strawgirl123@aol.com) ; _Robert Gray Love_ (mailto:bjoklove@cox.net) ; _Mr. Linton Everett Love_ (mailto:love2057@rogers.com) ; _Jeffrey Lawrence Love_ (mailto:jeff_love1@comcast.net) ; _Louis H. Love_ (mailto:louis012157@yahoo.com) ; _Joseph William Love Jr._ (mailto:billuv@houston.rr.com) ; _David George Shelton_ (mailto:capnjeep@att.net) ; _Mrs. Hazel Love Stephens_ (mailto:hst3ph3ns@bellsouth.net) ; _Charles A. Wierman_ (mailto:dulcich6@aol.com) Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Hello DNA Cuzins I don't know why I haven't done this before - Failed to see your email addresses or the site has changed so that it's more visible... Whatever!! You'll notice I'm sending this to the list as well as individually. Trying to help Mary stir up some list activity. Some of us have talked before,even recently. Others I have not communicated with, as far as my feeble memory serves. AND I recently had my computer go down and for some reason my correspondence log in my genealogy backup isn't there. SO lets begin again. Let's compare notes on our lines and see if we can find our common ground. Who's your earliest ancestor ? - Mine - James Love, "the weaver" [I just sent my entire line to the list] Where ? - he's thought to have been b in Scotland or Ireland in When ? 1704/5 Early on in my research, I assumed James father was a James as well due to "Naming Patterns" - Oldest son being named for paternal grandfather, etc. Then, for the longest time I thought his father might be Robert Love, who left a will in Pa. 1741 & mar. 3 times. There is a biography by William Calhoun Love who visited "Kin" in Miss. [sons & Grandsons of William "English Bill" Love and Thomas Love who marr. into the Chickasaw Nation]. Wm. Calhoun Love was a descendant [it appears] of this Robert of 1741 will. Now it appears DNA evidence rules this OUT. CONFUSION REIGNS !! Now I'm wondering if I weren't correct in my original assumption that James is "the weavers" father. What are your brickwalls ? - The parents of James is just ONE of my brickwalls. Many of my research lines are blocked by unknown lastnames for wives of the male. Does anyone have a secret for finding these "lost" women. They are referred to by given name only [if at all] in wills, and marriage certs have proven impossible to locate. BTW - I have over 60,000 folks in my research database - Lots of LOVEs ! and collateral lines. In MY Love Line database I have over 30,000 connections - so I've got a lot of data collected over the years. My line is pretty well documented - others are a COLLECTION of the work of others and not personally documented by me. I share it in that vein - it's a lead - CHECK IT OUT TO VERIFY IT. Hope to hear more from you LOVE CUZINS> Love, Lou ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear Gene, I'm one of the cousins from across the great Columbia River. I wonder how I can help in having another DNA testing on the Joseph Love and Mary Teas line, that is testing of some one in my family. I think the line is broken, but let me go over a possible (two ideals.) Joseph Love (1728-1804) md: Mary Teas (1734-1815) John Love (1766-1851 md: Orpha Dungan (1775-1813) Jeremiah Dungan Love (1801-1866) md: Elizabeth McCray (1804-1888) William M. Love (1824-1865) md: Hannah Elrita Kimmons/Kimmins (1832-1856) ***** Hannah Elizabeth "Lizzie" Love (1851-1918) md: John W. Allstott (1835-1907) [Is this line broken for DNA, because of a female???] R. E. Allstott md: Mary E. Wardwell R. E. and Mary E. (Wardwell) Allstott, had eight (8) girls and three boys; I think the line is broken for DNA testing with girls. How about the 3 sons, could the line be open for testing? One son, had 2 daughter; next son had 2 girls (1 living) and 2 boys (both deceased); next son had 3 sons (all living) and 1 daughter (living.) Another question??? John B. Love (1836-1915) md: #1 Catherine Phariss (1840-1866). Is Len Walker Love a child of John B. Love's first marriage or his second? If a child of Catherine Phariss, maybe we could check through my brothers DNA.....as Catherine Phariss, is of my fathers Phariss line. Which doesn't make much sense, but is a thought. Another thought: Hannah Elizabeth "Lizzie" Love's brother married into the Chickasaw Loves.....which goes back to William Love. I wish I could be of more help on this testing, but I'm sure because of the female line, the DNA testing is out of the question? What do you think? Pat Kennedy pat-igree-kenn@charter.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <RaynBeau1@aol.com> To: <LOVE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: [LOVE] Joseph Love line DNA (long) > > I am Raymond Eugene Love (Gene) Kit # 8299. Contact at > raynbeau1@aol.com. > My line to Joseph Love and Mary Teas has a strong base of information. > Albeit, not all is documented, but continuing research has found little > to refute > what is thought to be correct. > Joseph Love (1728-1804) m. Mary Teas (1734-1815) > John Love (1766-1851) m. Orpha Dungan (1775-1813) > Jeremiah Dungan Love (1801-1866) m. Elizabeth McCray (1804-1888) > John B. Love (1836-1915) m. (1) Catherine Phariss (1840-1866), (2) > Permelia > Angeline Shipman > Len Walker Love (1875-1937) m. Minnie Lee Worthington (1884-1971) > John B. Love (1901-1976) m. Ira Belle Davis (1900-1976) > Adrian Claude Love (1920-1991) m. Myrtle Mae Williamson (1921- ) > Raymond Eugene Love (1942- ) > Now here’s my situation. Until DNA testing came into the genealogical > bag > of research, no thought of there being something different then the above > Love line ever crossed my mind. The FTDNA test does not connect me to > any other > Love line, as expected. Nor does it verify a connection to my own line. > One or two of the Loves tested seem to connect to Joseph’s brother, > Samuel. > And I don’t match those tests. > Okay, “What in the Sam Hill is going on?” is the constant thought. Since > the original test of 25-Markers I updated to 37-Markers to find I match > exactly through 37 Markers with family names of WITT, SMITH, JOHNSON, > PRATT and 1 > Marker off with a MILLS. A 67-Marker update skews the results to show I’m > at > least 1 Marker off from all of them. FTDNA cannot give specific answers > to > questions as to when or what the deviation is. On another testing program > I > match 26/26 with an AMBERS. > Why so many different names? > I’m on the watch in all the other family sites for anything that would > provide a lead. They are all very active in research but none have > progressed as > far back in time as what I have for information. Nor have any shown a > concrete connection. Lots of speculations. Some have similar or same > surnames in > their lines but no connections have surfaced. It looks like, using the > FTDNA > most common ancestor information, some event occurred (a guess)between > the > late 1700s and the middle 1800s. An adoption, indenture, miscalculated > conception, loss of parents, or whatever; I just don’t know. The Johnson > line > ancestor, slave connection, was born in 1820 so it seems something had to > have > occured before then. > I ask, on bended knee with hat in hand, if anyone has information that > might > lead to a connection with any of the known family surnames, please post. > If there are Love descendents from the above Joseph Love line who have > not > tested, can we discuss the possibility of you getting tested? It’s a > simple > task. > Thank you all for listening. > Gene Love > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LOVE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Aside from our Web site, http://www.wisdomlove.com/lovednaproject/ there are several other locations that many of the people who have tests submit their markers so they can be compared with large groups of people who have tested. http://www.ysearch.org/ http://www.ybase.org/ Another place to enter your marker numbers is quite confusing to me but I did manage some searches there and it is a huge database. http://www.smgf.org/pages/sorensondatabase.jspx Sorenson also has pages explaining the frequency of a given marker number. It is a good site to explore. I hope I got all the URL's correctly entered. Mary

Lisa Shaffer wrote: > My grandmother on my father's side is a Love. I am a girl and my > last name is not Love. How could this genetic testing help me prove > my Love line? Do you have to have the last name Love to get tested?? > Lisa > > ------------------------------- Hi Lisa, I have a g-g-g grandmother Elizabeth Love. She would be my mother's father's maternal grandmother. Apparently she and/or her family emigrated from Ireland in the 1820s or early 1830s, but to Canada. No chance for me to do DNA testing. But I do understand that she likely was Scots-Irish. To say, some of us have to do footwork (with paper). Best of luck, Carolyn

I am Raymond Eugene Love (Gene) Kit # 8299. Contact at raynbeau1@aol.com. My line to Joseph Love and Mary Teas has a strong base of information. Albeit, not all is documented, but continuing research has found little to refute what is thought to be correct. Joseph Love (1728-1804) m. Mary Teas (1734-1815) John Love (1766-1851) m. Orpha Dungan (1775-1813) Jeremiah Dungan Love (1801-1866) m. Elizabeth McCray (1804-1888) John B. Love (1836-1915) m. (1) Catherine Phariss (1840-1866), (2) Permelia Angeline Shipman Len Walker Love (1875-1937) m. Minnie Lee Worthington (1884-1971) John B. Love (1901-1976) m. Ira Belle Davis (1900-1976) Adrian Claude Love (1920-1991) m. Myrtle Mae Williamson (1921- ) Raymond Eugene Love (1942- ) Now here’s my situation. Until DNA testing came into the genealogical bag of research, no thought of there being something different then the above Love line ever crossed my mind. The FTDNA test does not connect me to any other Love line, as expected. Nor does it verify a connection to my own line. One or two of the Loves tested seem to connect to Joseph’s brother, Samuel. And I don’t match those tests. Okay, “What in the Sam Hill is going on?” is the constant thought. Since the original test of 25-Markers I updated to 37-Markers to find I match exactly through 37 Markers with family names of WITT, SMITH, JOHNSON, PRATT and 1 Marker off with a MILLS. A 67-Marker update skews the results to show I’m at least 1 Marker off from all of them. FTDNA cannot give specific answers to questions as to when or what the deviation is. On another testing program I match 26/26 with an AMBERS. Why so many different names? I’m on the watch in all the other family sites for anything that would provide a lead. They are all very active in research but none have progressed as far back in time as what I have for information. Nor have any shown a concrete connection. Lots of speculations. Some have similar or same surnames in their lines but no connections have surfaced. It looks like, using the FTDNA most common ancestor information, some event occurred (a guess)between the late 1700s and the middle 1800s. An adoption, indenture, miscalculated conception, loss of parents, or whatever; I just don’t know. The Johnson line ancestor, slave connection, was born in 1820 so it seems something had to have occured before then. I ask, on bended knee with hat in hand, if anyone has information that might lead to a connection with any of the known family surnames, please post. If there are Love descendents from the above Joseph Love line who have not tested, can we discuss the possibility of you getting tested? It’s a simple task. Thank you all for listening. Gene Love ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Bill - Yes we've gone "round the bend" on this line in more ways than one. I have another John Love b 1775 - son of Silas Love & Elizabeth ??. No Places - they're listed in the Oct 1956 Love Fam. Quarterly. The references to Robert Love m Violet Wilson & Alexander Love - I assume you're referring to the Alexander Love in York Co., SC who m Margaret Moore - Both had sons named Robert - BUT the elder Robert & Alexander were brothers of James, the weaver, William 'English Bill" & John. They are the 5 assumed immigrant brothers. I think they came here with their parents and that there are other brothers & sisters we don't know about. Robert s/o Robert & Violet was b 1744 Robert s/o Alexander & Margaret was b ca 1761 Interestingly James, The weaver named a son Robert - b 1728 John & Ann - who stayed in Penn had a son Robert b 1734 We don't know enough about Wm."English Bill" to know, but none of the known sons are named Robert. It's very interesting to see the association of various persons and families. It really too bad we don't have more of their personal correspondence to help establish these relationships. Later, Lou Bill Love <billuv@houston.rr.com> wrote: Lou: Thanks for getting something started again. I am still at a brick wall with my Love line. Looking at the DNA results, I do not see family lines for kit number 17651, which I match 24 out of 25 markers, or kit 42315, which I match 35 out of 37. I do not know who these people are, but would like to. I am kit number 8336. If you are kit 17651 or 42315 I would like to hear from you. Lou, you and I match on 23 out of 25 markers. My John Love ancestor is reported to have been born abt. 1775, and to have come to Chester District SC in 1806 from Scotland, but his father John Love may have been from the Dublin Ireland area. My guess is that he came to SC to be near relatives who were already there. He reportedly came with his brother Joseph, who lived on the NC/SC line, and had nine sons. John Love b. abt 1775, moved his family from SC to Madison Co. MS about 1830, where he bought land near Robert Love, a son of Alexander Love, who was born in PA, a son of Robert Love and Violet Wilson, I think. This part is from memory. John Love b. 1775 died and was buried on the Love family place at Sand Flat, Loves Creek, Madison Co MS, before 1840, I think. My great-great-grandfather, John Love, was born July 22, 1808, in, we think, Chester District, SC. His mother, Mary Dixon or Dickson, is reported to be buried in Chester, SC. John Love, b. 1808, m. Mary Hurst in 1834 in Madison Co. MS, and moved to TX in 1848 after selling his land. He bought land in Williamson Co. TX in 1852, and settled there. Mary Hurst Love d. 1850 in Bastrop Co. TX. I would like to hear from anyone whose DNA is a close match to kit 8336. I have already corresponded with several of you, but it never hurts to touch base again. Thanks. Bill Love of Galveston, TX. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lou Love To: LOVE@rootsweb.com ; Norris Love ; Wallace Keith Love ; Robert Henry Love ; Robert Gray Love ; Mr. Linton Everett Love ; Jeffrey Lawrence Love ; Louis H. Love ; Joseph William Love Jr. ; David George Shelton ; Mrs. Hazel Love Stephens ; Charles A. Wierman Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Hello DNA Cuzins I don't know why I haven't done this before - Failed to see your email addresses or the site has changed so that it's more visible... Whatever!! You'll notice I'm sending this to the list as well as individually. Trying to help Mary stir up some list activity. Some of us have talked before,even recently. Others I have not communicated with, as far as my feeble memory serves. AND I recently had my computer go down and for some reason my correspondence log in my genealogy backup isn't there. SO lets begin again. Let's compare notes on our lines and see if we can find our common ground. Who's your earliest ancestor ? - Mine - James Love, "the weaver" [I just sent my entire line to the list] Where ? - he's thought to have been b in Scotland or Ireland in When ? 1704/5 Early on in my research, I assumed James father was a James as well due to "Naming Patterns" - Oldest son being named for paternal grandfather, etc. Then, for the longest time I thought his father might be Robert Love, who left a will in Pa. 1741 & mar. 3 times. There is a biography by William Calhoun Love who visited "Kin" in Miss. [sons & Grandsons of William "English Bill" Love and Thomas Love who marr. into the Chickasaw Nation]. Wm. Calhoun Love was a descendant [it appears] of this Robert of 1741 will. Now it appears DNA evidence rules this OUT. CONFUSION REIGNS !! Now I'm wondering if I weren't correct in my original assumption that James is "the weavers" father. What are your brickwalls ? - The parents of James is just ONE of my brickwalls. Many of my research lines are blocked by unknown lastnames for wives of the male. Does anyone have a secret for finding these "lost" women. They are referred to by given name only [if at all] in wills, and marriage certs have proven impossible to locate. BTW - I have over 60,000 folks in my research database - Lots of LOVEs ! and collateral lines. In MY Love Line database I have over 30,000 connections - so I've got a lot of data collected over the years. My line is pretty well documented - others are a COLLECTION of the work of others and not personally documented by me. I share it in that vein - it's a lead - CHECK IT OUT TO VERIFY IT. Hope to hear more from you LOVE CUZINS> Love, Lou

Clinton Love b. July 4, 1804 in Manlius, Onondage Co., NY. ................... m. Mary Elizabeth Stalker ca. 1824 probably in NY. ....................d. Sept 22, 1874 in Jefferson, Monroe Co., WI ....................buried in Ridge Cemetery, Cashton, Monroe Co., WI.. Mary Elizabeth Stalker b.Aug. 21, 1808 in NY. in Albany County. .............baptized Sept 18, 1808, New Salem Ref. Church, Albany Co. NY ....................................d. April 26, 1889 in Sabetha, Nemaha Co., KS ....................................age 80 years, 8 months, 5 days.. ....................................buried in Sabetha,KS. next to son-in-law, Joseph Allbee ..................Mary was the daughter of John Stalker and Clarisa Bradt Stalker ....... Children of Clinton and Mary Elizabeth Stalker Love: .......1. Lucretia Love b. 1827 NY. married Nathan Codner .......2. Clariissa Love b. 1828 NY. married Gilbert Tuttle .......3. John Love b. 1831 NY. Civil War Casualty, married Polly Porter .......4. Rachel Jane Love b. 1833 NY. married James Phillip Erckenbrack .......5. Jeremiah Love b. 1835 Jefferson Co., NY. married Phebe Alvira Runyan .......6. George Washington Love b. 1837 Onondaga Co., NY. married #1 Fidelia King and #2 Caroline Amanda Rathbun Leigh (Civil War widow) .......7. Alida Love b. 1839 NY. married #1 Edwin Runyan Civil War Casualty and #2 Joseph Allbee .......8. Mary Lydia Love b. 1844 NY.married #1 Orvil Dickson Civil War Casualty and #2 David Quackenbush .......9. Henry Clinton Love b. 1848 Jackson Co., WI married Susan Palmer ......10. Albert Love b. 1850 Rock Co., WI.married #1 Abby Scovill and #2 Effie Travis My husband is a descendant of Jeremiah Love and his wife Phebe Alvira Runyan, through their son, George Delmore Love and Elizabeth Price Wolfe; and their son Ernest Michael Love and Beatrice Amanda Taylor. Our kit #11644 matches only one known cousin, but we have had close matches with other surnames including Foster and Gillespie. We think Clinton Love, our brick wall, may have been adopted or illegitimate. I would love to be proved wrong! Shirley Love

Bill -- Doesn't look as if our family lines match. I sent a reply to Lou, but forgot to do "Reply All"; I'll remedy that now. Incidentally, my kit number is 36648. Mike Love, Winnetka, IL In a message dated 6/8/2007 2:51:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, billuv@houston.rr.com writes: Lou: Thanks for getting something started again. I am still at a brick wall with my Love line. Looking at the DNA results, I do not see family lines for kit number 17651, which I match 24 out of 25 markers, or kit 42315, which I match 35 out of 37. I do not know who these people are, but would like to. I am kit number 8336. If you are kit 17651 or 42315 I would like to hear from you. Lou, you and I match on 23 out of 25 markers. My John Love ancestor is reported to have been born abt. 1775, and to have come to Chester District SC in 1806 from Scotland, but his father John Love may have been from the Dublin Ireland area. My guess is that he came to SC to be near relatives who were already there. He reportedly came with his brother Joseph, who lived on the NC/SC line, and had nine sons. John Love b. abt 1775, moved his family from SC to Madison Co. MS about 1830, where he bought land near Robert Love, a son of Alexander Love, who was born in PA, a son of Robert Love and Violet Wilson, I think. This part is from memory. John Love b. 1775 died and was buried on the Love family place at Sand Flat, Loves Creek, Madison Co MS, before 1840, I think. My great-great-grandfather, John Love, was born July 22, 1808, in, we think, Chester District, SC. His mother, Mary Dixon or Dickson, is reported to be buried in Chester, SC. John Love, b. 1808, m. Mary Hurst in 1834 in Madison Co. MS, and moved to TX in 1848 after selling his land. He bought land in Williamson Co. TX in 1852, and settled there. Mary Hurst Love d. 1850 in Bastrop Co. TX. I would like to hear from anyone whose DNA is a close match to kit 8336. I have already corresponded with several of you, but it never hurts to touch base again. Thanks. Bill Love of Galveston, TX. ----- Original Message ----- From: _Lou Love_ (mailto:llove1039@sbcglobal.net) To: _LOVE@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:LOVE@rootsweb.com) ; _Norris Love_ (mailto:mallard99@aol.com) ; _Wallace Keith Love_ (mailto:GMarsh8214@aol.com) ; _Robert Henry Love_ (mailto:strawgirl123@aol.com) ; _Robert Gray Love_ (mailto:bjoklove@cox.net) ; _Mr. Linton Everett Love_ (mailto:love2057@rogers.com) ; _Jeffrey Lawrence Love_ (mailto:jeff_love1@comcast.net) ; _Louis H. Love_ (mailto:louis012157@yahoo.com) ; _Joseph William Love Jr._ (mailto:billuv@houston.rr.com) ; _David George Shelton_ (mailto:capnjeep@att.net) ; _Mrs. Hazel Love Stephens_ (mailto:hst3ph3ns@bellsouth.net) ; _Charles A. Wierman_ (mailto:dulcich6@aol.com) Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Hello DNA Cuzins I don't know why I haven't done this before - Failed to see your email addresses or the site has changed so that it's more visible... Whatever!! You'll notice I'm sending this to the list as well as individually. Trying to help Mary stir up some list activity. Some of us have talked before,even recently. Others I have not communicated with, as far as my feeble memory serves. AND I recently had my computer go down and for some reason my correspondence log in my genealogy backup isn't there. SO lets begin again. Let's compare notes on our lines and see if we can find our common ground. Who's your earliest ancestor ? - Mine - James Love, "the weaver" [I just sent my entire line to the list] Where ? - he's thought to have been b in Scotland or Ireland in When ? 1704/5 Early on in my research, I assumed James father was a James as well due to "Naming Patterns" - Oldest son being named for paternal grandfather, etc. Then, for the longest time I thought his father might be Robert Love, who left a will in Pa. 1741 & mar. 3 times. There is a biography by William Calhoun Love who visited "Kin" in Miss. [sons & Grandsons of William "English Bill" Love and Thomas Love who marr. into the Chickasaw Nation]. Wm. Calhoun Love was a descendant [it appears] of this Robert of 1741 will. Now it appears DNA evidence rules this OUT. CONFUSION REIGNS !! Now I'm wondering if I weren't correct in my original assumption that James is "the weavers" father. What are your brickwalls ? - The parents of James is just ONE of my brickwalls. Many of my research lines are blocked by unknown lastnames for wives of the male. Does anyone have a secret for finding these "lost" women. They are referred to by given name only [if at all] in wills, and marriage certs have proven impossible to locate. BTW - I have over 60,000 folks in my research database - Lots of LOVEs ! and collateral lines. In MY Love Line database I have over 30,000 connections - so I've got a lot of data collected over the years. My line is pretty well documented - others are a COLLECTION of the work of others and not personally documented by me. I share it in that vein - it's a lead - CHECK IT OUT TO VERIFY IT. Hope to hear more from you LOVE CUZINS> Love, Lou ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 6/8/2007 1:07:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ladybuzz@cableone.net writes: Hi -- just a suggestion, I have been reading the increase in posts to the Love list, and wonder if it might be a good idea to have everyone post their email addys, as it occurred to me that mine has changed, and don't think I remembered to send it to the list. -------------------------- The email addresses are identified in the From: line of the email received. If you are receiving list mail in the Digest form, then the From: line show the List's address. You can also get the email addresses from the List's archives. Only the list administrator can call for a 'Roll Call' and I certainly hope she does not!! Most people just give so little info that it is a waste of time IMHO. Sharon dulcich6@aol.com Families are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few nuts. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 6/8/2007 1:08:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, officmgr@sssnet.com writes: My grandmother on my father's side is a Love. I am a girl and my last name is not Love. How could this genetic testing help me prove my Love line? Do you have to have the last name Love to get tested?? Lisa ------------ Yes, Lisa, you need to be a male descendant since the markers that are recorded are only on the Y chromosome. Any of your grandmother's brothers male descendants would do. Although my family's male descendants are not using the Love surname, they still are genetic descendants of the Love line. It has been "fun" finally tracing the birth name of my grandfather! I just wish I could find further info on our Robert L. Love. He has been my brick wall for many, many years. Sharon dulcich6@aol.com Families are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few nuts. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

My grandmother on my father's side is a Love. I am a girl and my last name is not Love. How could this genetic testing help me prove my Love line? Do you have to have the last name Love to get tested?? Lisa