Here's an interesting twist. I looks like "Joseph the Fuller/Tailer" in Augusta Co., VA, b. 1728 & d. 1804, might have had a father named Joseph. I found this on the Augusta Co., VA, genealogy site: 1758: Nov. 16, "Orphans of Joseph Love, decd, to be bound by Church Wardens." [Source: Scotch-Irish in VA, Vol. I, Order Book V, Item #213, http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley] 1766: Aug. 26, "John Love, orphan of Joseph Love, dec'd., to be bound to Joseph Love, Fuller." [Source: Scotch-Irish in VA, Vol. I, Order Book X, Item #311, http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley] I have found several who never did think this Joseph was the son of Robert Love in Lancaster Co., PA. I think a trip to the Augusta Co. courthouse and deed search would reveal where Joseph lived before moving there. This is not my direct line. I just want to keep track of people thought to be the brothers of my JOHN LOVE, father of THOMAS LOVE, father of JOHN LOVE who d. Knox Co., TN 1834. Katheryn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Xcx.2ACIB/1608.2 Message Board Post: WELL YOU FOUND US! THIS IS YOUR SISTER TAMMY! DEBBIE IS SITTING NEXT TO ME (WOOHOO!) WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN , WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR YOU FOR A LONG TIME, PLEASE E-MAIL US BACK [email protected] OR [email protected] WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.. P.S WHERE IS MICHELLE?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Love, Morgan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Xcx.2ACIB/1861 Message Board Post: Looking for what type merchant S. B. Love was shown on 1850 Henry Co., GA census p. 259. S. B. Love filed suit against Eldridge Morgan in 1847. Any info appreciated.

How does one participate....??? I am a Love decendant..from Australia..and I have no idea who my ancestors are except the original one who came to Australia in about 1820 from Scotland...[but some have said Ireland] Lynda Grierson ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [LOVE-L] LOVE DNA PROJECT > Rikki: Thanks for taking on this DNA project. As I said earlier, I am > anxious to participate. Just let me know the details of when and where to > send money. I am only in contact with one other Love surname male descendant > of my g-g-grandfather John Love, b. 1808 SC, d. 1871, TX. But he is in > contact with a number of others in his area, which is Florence, Williamson > Co. TX. I am Joseph William Love, Jr. (III), 3 Cedar Lawn Circle, Galveston, > TX 77551, 409-762-5962. > > > ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== > We also have a LOVE-UK list To join send the word SUBSCRIBE > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

With more information, I could probably persuade my husband into doing this. He is descended through William Love b.1790, NC. d. 1872 Hardin Co., TN. Frances Love

Hi Don: Can you tell me more about your Lyman LOVE, b. 1851 born to Jeremy P. Love? I am related to a Lyman LOVE that lived in Putnam Co. IN for a time.. and later went to MO.. His sister, Delilah Love was my gg grandmother.. Their father was a John LOVE and their mother was Hannah ??? LOVE, b. ca. 1772 in New York.. (I don't have the father's vitals nearby right now. ) Would like to talk to you, since the name LYMAN isn't that common.. I wonder if the Lyman was related to your family. I don't recall my Lyman's birthdate, but his sister (my gg grandmother) was b. in 1816.. in OH.. She had an older sister born in PA.. and their mother Hannah, was born in NY, ca. 1772.. I am presently researching the family. Ellie Swanger [email protected] ============================================== X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:14:49 -0600 From: "Don Love" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: FW: [LOVE-L] LOVE DNA PROJECT Dear "Cousins", I am willing to participate in such a DNA survey and research testing. Peace be with you and yours, Donald C. Love, b. 1927, son of Charles W. Love. B. 1887, son of Lyman M. Love, b. 1851, son of, Jeremy P. Love, b. 1823, son of John C. Love, b. 1783, son of John Love, b. c.1740, son of James Love, b. 1720, son of John Love, b. ?

I would be interested in this project, too. I am a descendant of a man named Chastine/Chastain T. Love. I am unsure as to whether this is his real name, but that is the one on the marriage contract posted in North Louisiana in about 1896. His info on the census says he was born in North Carolina and his parents were both from Ireland. I have my doubts as to whether the aforementioned was his real name, but I have to go with what I found on the Louisiana Census. I know my grandmother always said we had relative in NC, Mississipi, Alabama and I think Texas. My grandfather's name was William C. Love which seems to be a reallly common name for many Love lines. Lindsey D. Love [email protected] wrote: >Rikki: Thanks for taking on this DNA project. As I said earlier, I am >anxious to participate. Just let me know the details of when and where to >send money. I am only in contact with one other Love surname male descendant >of my g-g-grandfather John Love, b. 1808 SC, d. 1871, TX. But he is in >contact with a number of others in his area, which is Florence, Williamson >Co. TX. I am Joseph William Love, Jr. (III), 3 Cedar Lawn Circle, Galveston, >TX 77551, 409-762-5962. > > >==== LOVE Mailing List ==== >We also have a LOVE-UK list To join send the word SUBSCRIBE >[email protected] > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Rikki, I have watched all this discussion from a distance, I'm afraid. I think it is a grand idea, and I appreciate your gracious volunteer act. I will be more than happy to participate. Please send me datails. Who knows where the kin might lie?                          Bill Love                         La Porte,TX                         [email protected]

Rikki: Thanks for taking on this DNA project. As I said earlier, I am anxious to participate. Just let me know the details of when and where to send money. I am only in contact with one other Love surname male descendant of my g-g-grandfather John Love, b. 1808 SC, d. 1871, TX. But he is in contact with a number of others in his area, which is Florence, Williamson Co. TX. I am Joseph William Love, Jr. (III), 3 Cedar Lawn Circle, Galveston, TX 77551, 409-762-5962.

Hello all!!! This is Rikki LOVE (not Lake), and I am trying to figure out just how I volunteered? hahaha I guess by my wanting to do it so bad led me to be the administrator. OK, if that is what everyone wants, I will give it a whirl. I can not promise anything, but I have already emailed FTDNA for information, as has Dr. Lou Love. Dr. Lou has since forwarded this information to me. I at this time have an e-mail in to Bennett Greenspan (president of FTDNA) asking for additional information on the project. I am now awaiting his response on this matter. I do at this time ask for help in this venture, until I can get it all sqaured away. We do need to find and enlist at least 6 LOVE males to get the ball rolling. If we have 6 males and committ to a minimum of 6 test kits, the price will go down from $125 to $99 per test. Next we need to set up some type of donation process to get monies together to help those that can not afford to pay for the test, or pay for the whole thing. We would after these things have been set up, get the word out that we are into this, and are asking for LOVE men to test and find from what line they come. Ladies, you can not test, but your fathers, brothers, uncles, cousins, etc... surely can. As long as their surname is LOVE and they come from and unbroken line of LOVE's they are able to test. Also any lady that has LOVE heritage, but does not have a LOVE connection close enough to test, I ask that maybe you give a little donation to help with this project. I have already received several interested males about getting involved with this project, and I believe with a little more persistance from us all, we can and will have this up shortly. Anyone with any questions, PLEASE e-mail me at [email protected] or you may even call me at home at 662-494-9432. (if you do call me at home, who ever answers the phone, you better tell them that it concerns genealogy, if not none of daughters will give me the phone. For some reason they think that it is their phone... hahaha) Also, I had mentioned in a previous e-mail about a website. I have already begun the process of putting one together, and will let everyone know when it is about to go up and online. I will not release it to the public until the main oneS involved in this have had a chance to go over it and see if there are any changes that they feel should be made. Sorry about the lengthyness of this note, but I felt that these were issues that should be discussed before the project could move any futher. Let's wish ourselves GOOD LUCK, and a little for me wouldn't be to bad either. <G> Let me know all of your thoughts on this matter. Rikki Love,GGG-Grandson of William Hiram Love 1801, NC - 1885, GA

Many people copy the research of others w/o giving them credit, and it spreads from there with no one knowing where it came from or if it is even true. I have seen the following quoted by many w/no credit where it was due. Read below. I encourage everyone who has this in their records to give credit to Arthur Dobbs who wrote it back in 1958. Then at the end I have some questions: The following is from an old photocopy on thermal paper of a periodical, April 1958, pg. 7, by Arthur Dobbs: "Robert Love, it is thought came from Ireland about 1737, which is the year given by Albert Cooke Myers in his book on the Scotch-Irish in York County, Pa. for the date or probably the date of arrival of Alexander [not a proven brother] of York, Pa. and later York Co., S.C. or it may be 1744. The Pennsylvania Archives has an item in Vol. I, 5th Series, which gives the arrival, among others from Scotland, at Newcastle, in 1744-1765, of Robert Love a 'smooth faced, bold looking fellow'....It is impossible from the information we have on hand to identify this Robert as the one who married Violet, the daughter of Robert Wilson, at the Forks of the Brandywine in 1738. "This fact has been preserved to us in the family Bible of Hezekiah Love, an applicant for a Revolutionary pension, a page from which Bible is attached to his pension application filed in Washington 24th July 1832, in Roane Co, Tennessee.... "Robert senior died in Lancaster County [S.C.] in 1786....He had a land grant from His Majesty George III, in the vicinity of the Hanging Rock & Flat Rock....for 163 acres on Hanging Rock Creek approximately fifteen miles south of Camden, and was dated 23rd of April 1762. It must have been about this time that Robert & Violet moved from Chester to this part of what was then Craven County [District], a county which was abolished a few years afterwards. "Chester Co. also lay in Craven Co. [District] until the Scotch-Irish from Pennsylvania under the leadership of Alexander Love were successful in h aving legislation passed providing for the erection of the counties of Lancaster, Chester and York, and Fairfield out of the territory in the Piedmont section bordering on North Carolina which had been previously a part of Craven County, and known as 'the New Acquisition.' " ========= Also on the same page of that journal is this LAND GRANT BY KING GEORGE III TO ROBERT LOVE: "George the Third by the grace of God of great Britain France and Ireland, KING defender of the Faith &c TO all to whom these presents shall come GREETING. "KNOW YE That we for and in consideration of the Rents and duties herein Reserved have given & Granted and by these presents for us our heirs and successord di give and grant unto ROBERT LOVE a tract of Land containing one hundred and sixty three acres lying and being in the County of ANSON in our Province of North Carolina [later claimed by Camden Dist., S.C.] on Both sides of Hanging Rock Creek Including his own improvements Beginning at a Red Oake on a ridge that runs Thence So. 15 degrees W. 130 poles to two Black oakes Thence So. 75 degrees 200 poles to a Hickory Thence No. 15 degrees E. 130 poles to a Red Oak Thgence No. 75 degrees W. 200 poles to the Beginning "As to the Plat hereunto annexed doth appear TOGETHER with all Woods Waters mines minerals hereditaments an appurtenances to the Land Belonging or appertaining (one half of gold and silver mines excepted) "TO HOLD to him the said ROBERT LOVE his heirs and assigns forever as of our MANOR OF EAST GREENWICH in our COUNTY OF KENT in free and common soccage by fealty only. "YIELDING & PAYING Unto us our heirs & Successors forever the yearly rental of FOUR SHILLINGS proclamation money for every hundred acres hereby Granted TO be paid unto us our heirs & successors on the second day of February in Each Year at Such Places in our said Province as our Governor for the Time Being with the Advice & Consent Of our Council shall think fit to direct and Appoint. "PROVIDED ALWAYS That in Case the said ROBERT LOVE his heirs and assigns Shall not within three Years from the date hereof clear and cultivate According to the proportion of three acres for every hundred. AND ALSO That if a minute or docket of these our Letters patent Shall not be Entered in the Office of our Auditor General for the Time being in our Province within Six months from the date hereof; That then and in Either of the said Cases, these our Letters Patent Shall be Void and none effect. "IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF we have caused the seal of our said province to be hereunto affix WITNESS our Trusty and well beloved ARTHUR DOBBS. ESQR. Captain General & Governor in Chief in and over our said Province THIS 23rd day of April in the second Year of the Reign, ANNO DOMINI, ONE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED AND SIXTY TWO. By his Excellencys Command Alex'r Duncan D Secry Enrolled in the Auditors Office at Wilmington the 24th day of April 1762 John Ancrum pro Auditor ============ Question 1: For a long time I thought this unnamed journal was from a historical society of SC or TN. But now I think it is from "The Love Family Historical and Genealogical Quarterly" for April 1958. Would someone with access to these verify this and what volume it would be? Question 2: At the end of this page (seven), it says "Continued on page 8." Could someone check to see what is on page 8? Question 3: Does anything on page six relate to this article? Katheryn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Okay, Rikki! We're behind you! Go for it! Katheryn Bird <[email protected]> wrote:It was Rikki Lake that volunteered, poor dear !. Rikki if you want to do this write to me. I can' do it. I'm listowner but I'm extremely interested. Mary Harkey Russell [email protected] http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the list, send the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

If different branches of Loves got the DNA test, they would know whether they were related or not. You could then know that the Love line in a particular state is the direction you should go in. However, this should be balanced with your own documentary research too. Start with what you know. You know his name and when/where he died. Order his death certificate which will probably tell when/where he was born and his parents' names. Order his marriage license which will give you his wife's (your grandmother's) maiden name. Go to your nearest large library or call your nearest Mormon (LDS) Church and ask when you can go there to read census records. Pick the census of where you know he lived at his youngest possible age and work back in time. Eventually you'll find him as a little boy living in the household of his parents and you will then have another source for your gr grand parents' names. Once you know the gr grandparents' names, do the same kind of research on them. I started researching nearly 40 years ago and started this same way. Your grandfather has public records on him; look for them. Even the cemetery office where he was buried will have records; and the funeral home; and his obituary; a family Bible; a distant aunt. And yes, trace his siblings since they had the same parents. I've had a brick wall on a dif. side of my family for 35 years ~ my father's side. I did all the above. I found my grandfather, great grandfather and great great grandfather. But never was able to get past him. I even traveled to the counties and states where they all lived and went through couorthouse marriage books, deed books (the first deed in a county tells where he lived before moving there), will books, court books, guardian books. I went to the state capital and went through their archives for the area in which he lived. I went through land grant records for that state and military records. I have found no proof of that great great grandfather. They were living next door to each other, etc., etc., but that's not proof. My only hope on that side of my family is to request that my brother & others with that last name do DNA tests, and perhaps with the circumstantial evidence I have, it will satisfy the proof requirement. (And I don't accept things just because they're in a book; books are written by people and dependent on how much the author researched and what documents the author is willing to tell that were used ~ which most authors don't do.) So, keep researching so you have some circumstantial evidence to go with the DNA matching. Katheryn Ron Robershaw <[email protected]> wrote:Exactly how would it benefit someone like myself, who can't get past his G.Father?? How is the project supposed to work?? Thanks, Ron ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== To search the love message boards: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.love ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

Exactly how would it benefit someone like myself, who can't get past his G.Father?? How is the project supposed to work?? Thanks, Ron

It was Rikki Lake that volunteered, poor dear !. Rikki if you want to do this write to me. I can' do it. I'm listowner but I'm extremely interested. Mary Harkey Russell [email protected] http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~bird

Would the person who made the nominations please be our DNA Love Leader? Katheryn [email protected] wrote:In a message dated 3/3/2003 3:53:53 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Didn't we have someone volunteer to be our fearless DNA leader a few days ago? Since no one objected, go with it! That's my opinion. Katheryn Nobody's volunteered that I know of. Someone put a couple of names in nomination [mine being one] but I don't have the time to be the coordinator of anything else at the moment. I certainly plan to participate & help in any way I can, however. Love, Lou --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

In a message dated 3/3/2003 3:53:53 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Didn't we have someone volunteer to be our fearless DNA leader a few days > ago? Since no one objected, go with it! That's my opinion. > Katheryn > Nobody's volunteered that I know of. Someone put a couple of names in nomination [mine being one] but I don't have the time to be the coordinator of anything else at the moment. I certainly plan to participate & help in any way I can, however. Love, Lou

Dear Katheryn, and other "cousins", I am willing to participate, but lacking in computer skill and time to head up such an undertaking. Please (if need be) let me be Dr. Watson, not Sherlock. Peace be with you and yours, Don Love -----Original Message----- From: K Haddad [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 3:53 PM To: Don Love; [email protected] Subject: Re: FW: [LOVE-L] LOVE DNA PROJECT Didn't we have someone volunteer to be our fearless DNA leader a few days ago? Since no one objected, go with it! That's my opinion. Katheryn Don Love <[email protected]> wrote: Dear "Cousins", I am willing to participate in such a DNA survey and research testing. Peace be with you and yours, Donald C. Love, b. 1927, son of Charles W. Love. B. 1887, son of Lyman M. Love, b. 1851, son of, Jeremy P. Love, b. 1823, son of John C. Love, b. 1783, son of John Love, b. c.1740, son of James Love, b. 1720, son of John Love, b. ? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LOVE-L] LOVE DNA PROJECT Hello there LOVE hunters. I am a male Love that has for several months now wondered about the Family Tree DNA projects going on. One of my other lines has already started this, but since I can only have one surname, I cannot test on that line. haha... I descend from William Hiram Love, 1801 NC - 1885 GA, of whom we believe is a son of Christopher Love, who is one of the youngest children of John Love and Sarah Sharp. We have yet to be able to find that final conclusive bit of information that would make it certain that John and Sarah are who I descend from. I guess what I am trying to say is, I would be very happy to test. My next question is, who could we put in charge of this venture? We would have to find someone that has been consistent in keeping information in a good manner, and is as interested as any of us to find where the Love's of the years gone by, connect with each other. Suggestions: Mary Russell - Listowner or Dr. Lou Love of Houston, TX. I do not know either of these people personally, but from what I have seen on this list in the past, they seem to be very organized and informative about the Love surname. Miss Mary and Dr. Lou, I hope that I have not offended you with my suggestions, I am only merely throwing things up in the air. I implore any male LOVE, to PLEASE consider this. We only need six to get it under way, and to start trying to make connections that we know are out there. Now I will get off of my little bandwagon. haha - hehe Rikki Love, GGG-Grandson of William H. Love, Habersham Co., GA A Lost Descendent of a Lost Ancestor... ______________________________ ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== To search the love message boards: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.love ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! <http://rd.yahoo.com/finance/mailtagline/*http:/taxes.yahoo.com/> Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more

Dear "Cousins", I am willing to participate in such a DNA survey and research testing. Peace be with you and yours, Donald C. Love, b. 1927, son of Charles W. Love. B. 1887, son of Lyman M. Love, b. 1851, son of, Jeremy P. Love, b. 1823, son of John C. Love, b. 1783, son of John Love, b. c.1740, son of James Love, b. 1720, son of John Love, b. ? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LOVE-L] LOVE DNA PROJECT Hello there LOVE hunters. I am a male Love that has for several months now wondered about the Family Tree DNA projects going on. One of my other lines has already started this, but since I can only have one surname, I cannot test on that line. haha... I descend from William Hiram Love, 1801 NC - 1885 GA, of whom we believe is a son of Christopher Love, who is one of the youngest children of John Love and Sarah Sharp. We have yet to be able to find that final conclusive bit of information that would make it certain that John and Sarah are who I descend from. I guess what I am trying to say is, I would be very happy to test. My next question is, who could we put in charge of this venture? We would have to find someone that has been consistent in keeping information in a good manner, and is as interested as any of us to find where the Love's of the years gone by, connect with each other. Suggestions: Mary Russell - Listowner or Dr. Lou Love of Houston, TX. I do not know either of these people personally, but from what I have seen on this list in the past, they seem to be very organized and informative about the Love surname. Miss Mary and Dr. Lou, I hope that I have not offended you with my suggestions, I am only merely throwing things up in the air. I implore any male LOVE, to PLEASE consider this. We only need six to get it under way, and to start trying to make connections that we know are out there. Now I will get off of my little bandwagon. haha - hehe Rikki Love, GGG-Grandson of William H. Love, Habersham Co., GA A Lost Descendent of a Lost Ancestor... ______________________________

Okay, whoever made the two nominations. Will you be our DNA project leader? Someone has to jump in and say, "I'm doing it." Otherwise all our discussions will go down the drain. You won't offend anyone. (If they do, blame me.) Katheryn --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more