I know there are a lot of folks who don't like to share their GEDCOM's and don't want to post them because of piracy, because people merge them and source information is lost, or any number of good and valid reason's. Progeny has come up with software that permanently marks EVERY record of your GEDCOM with your authorship. I saw an announcement for it in Everton's on-line newsletter. As a rule, Everton's doesn't tout something that isn't a quality product. The new GEDmark program is available free on the Internet. Visit the Progeny Web site for more information: www.progenysoftware.com/gedmark.html. Have a good one, all!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Xcx.2ACIB/1887 Message Board Post: Francis B. Love was born in August of 1870 in WI, married Rose Morrel in 1894. Rose was born in 1875 in MI. Francis was the son of George Washington Love and Caroline Amanda Rathbun Leigh Love. He was the grandson of Clinton Love 1804 NY and Mary Stalker/Stocke4 1808 NY. Francis and Rose were in Bellevue, Morrison Co., MN in 1900 and his occupation was listed as a farmer. He was listed among the survivors when his mother died in 1906 in Little Falls, Minnesota. The date of his death is unknown. Francis had a brother, James C. 1876 WI, and a sister Mary who was born in 1880 WI and Married John Estey. She died the year after their marriage ( perhaps childbirth?) In addition there were two half-brothers, Joseph and Osmar Leigh from Caroline's first marriage. Their father was a victim of the civil war. I would like to exchange information if you are from this Love line. Thanks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Xcx.2ACIB/1886 Message Board Post: I would like to contact descendants of John Love who, according to the 1910 census of Leigh, Morrison co., MN was born in 1901. He was the son of James C. Love (1876 WI - 1937), and Sophia Besch (1876 WI-1951) James C. Love was the son of George Washington Love and Caroline Amanda Rathbun Leigh Love. George's father was Clinton Love (1804 NY- 1874 WI.) He married Mary Stalker/Stocker. Clinton is our brick wall. If you descend from this line, or have any information about John Love 1901 or his descendants, please contact me. I am hoping we can exchange information. Thanks, Shirley

Some one was asking about Indian Blood several days ago. Found this and thought you all might like to read it. Pat Chronicles of Oklahoma Volume 12, No. 4 December, 1934 GOVERNOR WILLIAM LEANDER BYRD By John Bartlett Meserve Page 437 - 438 circuit courts and county courts. The analogy between the Chickasaw constitution and the constitution of the States was quite complete and evidenced the high standard of tribal leadership which obtained among these Indians. A disturbing factor in the hitherto peaceful conditions among the so-called Five Civilized Tribes, was provoked by the influx of white intruders, during the years succeeding the Civil War. The intermarriage of many of these whites into the tribal membership became common and the pathway became paved for the more complete amalgamation of the races, as obtains today. This situation was peculiarly true in the Chickasaw Nation and ultimately created trouble in the political affairs of the Nation, In 1876, the Chickasaw tribal government, by law, conferred full rights of membership in the tribe, upon all white persons who intermarried among their members. No particular disadvantage arose at first but as time progressed, these "white" Indians began to gather control. By the laws of the Nation, any Indian was enabled to occupy any of the unoccupied lands in the Nation and it was not long before the "white" Indians occupied the most valuable lands. The Chickasaws had experienced dif! ficulties with the white settlers back in Mississippi and it was to escape the infringements which they had suffered, that they bargained for their removal to the Indian Territory. They understood that their lands in the West were to be theirs, free from interference by the white man, but the growing presence of these white members of the tribe, began to imperil their political life. The Chickasaws had provoked this situation by admitting these white settlers, to full tribal membership. In an address before the United States Senate made by Senator Platt at a time when the matter of white aggressions in the Indian Territory, was at its height, he offered a most compelling illustration. "A single instance will show how the white people have absorbed the lands in the Indian Territory to the exclusion of the Indians. At a town named Duncan (in the Chickasaw Nation) there was a Scotchman by the name of Duncan who had a trading post. There was also a white woman there who had been the wife of an Indian, but whose husband had died. The white (Page 438) woman, by marrying the Indian, became an Indian citizen. Then, when she became a widow, the Scotchman married her. By that means he became an Indian. Mr. Peffer: Both white? Mr. Platt: Both white; not a drop of Indian blood in the veins of either. These two persons, husband and wife, Mr. and Mrs. Duncan have 7,000 acres of land under cultivation and grazing by their right of occupancy as Indians. They have also a town of 1,500 inhabitants, the right to occupy which is conveyed by Mr. Duncan and the yearly rentals for occupancy amount, I suppose, to from five to seven thousand dollars."

Recently a Kistler family descendant shared with me photocopies of entries from the family Bible of Jane Thompson Love and Moses Evans Kistler, which he has in his possession. Jane was the daughter of John Scott Love of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. I believe that John Scott Love was the son of David Love and grandson of John Love and Sarah Sharp. I believe that the Bible entries include dates of death for David Love and his wife, Jean/Jane Thompson. You may view my transcript of this information at my website on the Research page: http://www.mecklenburg.homestead.com/ Donna Joy Johnson Charlotte, Mecklenburg Co., NC, USA http://www.geocities.com/pawcreek.geo/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOVE Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Xcx.2ACIB/1885 Message Board Post: I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 40,312 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOVE Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Xcx.2ACIB/1884 Message Board Post: I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 40,312 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOVE Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Xcx.2ACIB/1883 Message Board Post: I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 40,312 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Love Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.netscape.com/mbexec/msg/4317/Xcx.2ACIB/1292.1374.1383 Message Board Post: Hello, Shay, have you found out any more info? thanks!!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOVE/CLINTON/STALKER/STOCKER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Xcx.2ACIB/1882 Message Board Post: We are still batting zero on the parents of Clinton LOVE b 7-04-1804 in NY d 9-22-1874 WI m Mary STOCKER/STALKER. Was wondering if he was named for his mother's maiden name - CLINTON? That would be a male LOVE married to a female CLINTON. Is there a connection like that in your line? Please contact me. Joyce Thomas

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Love Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Xcx.2ACIB/1881 Message Board Post: Hi! I was wondering if anyone could give me the information on the my last name. I'd like to know the origin,meaning, etc. Any information I can get I'd appreciate! I'm a Love, too! I've been trying to look all over the place, and I'm having the worst problem finding information on my last name! Please EMail me if you have any information for me! Thank You Very Much!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Xcx.2ACIB/1880 Message Board Post: I have much more information than this, but I hope that this is enough to spear some response. Also, I had a response from someone here in the last month, but I have lost the e-mail. If, that person sees this, please e-mail me once more. I am looking for any help with Richard A. and his family. Richard was married to Farasha (sp.?) G. Horton--daughter of one Ranford Horton. R.A. Love is listed in 1860 as age 24 and residing in Lancaster Co. Richard past in 1862 at White Hall while serving in the South Carolina 12th infantry E division. He and his wife are buried at Pleasant Plains Cem. in Lancaster Co. R.A. had one son by the same name--Richard Alexander who begot my Great Great Grand father---William Addison Love. Richard Alexander, the elder, had, by tradition, three brothers Samuel, Burrel, and Miner. They were listed in the 1850 Chester census as 19, 20, and 11 respectively and were listed as miners by trade. R.A., the elder, also had a sister, Armentha. I would love any help confirming this information and/or finding his parents. Please contact me. Furthermore, this post was found here and the man referenced is my great uncle, the son of William Addison Love. Charlotte Observer, June 27, 1948 LANCASTER WAR HERO'S FUNERAL RITES SLATED LANCASTER, S. C. June 26. - Funeral services for Richard Addison Love, who was killed in North Africa March 23, 1943, will be conducted Sunday at 5 o'clock at Pleasant Plain Baptist church bv Rev. H. S. Sinclair and Rev. B. S. Broome. He was the son of Will A. Love and the late Mrs. Maggie Bell Neill Love and is survived by his father, two brothers, and five sisters. Burial will be in the church cemetery.

I have a box of pictures I got when my father died last year. One is of my Great Grandparents, William and Emmer Love. On the front is written Grandpa and Ma Love. On the back is: William J Love and wife Emmer of Phil Campbell Rt 3 Ala. Franklin County Alabama, made Nov 1903. W J Love born 23 Apr 1852 Randolph Co. AL, died 6 Jun 1908, Boaz, Marshall Co., AL. Emmer Cordelia Rhodes born Fayette Co. GA 27 Sep 1857 and died Boaz, Marshall Co., AL 4 Sep 1927. Would like to exchange info with anyone that is related to this line... Oliver Love [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Love, Riley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Xcx.2ACIB/1415.1440.1446.1 Message Board Post: My Grandmother's name was Sylvia Belle Love. She married my Grandfather, Alexander Riley either in Effingham or Decatur Illinois. She was born Oct.15th 1887 died 1974. I am just starting to try and research. According to my Dad her mother died and her father( I assume his name was Love) remarried.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Love Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Xcx.2ACIB/1879 Message Board Post: I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 38,638 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOVE Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Xcx.2ACIB/1878 Message Board Post: I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 38,638 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

> I have a question regarding this custom of > determining the line of descendcy > from the mother regarding "native american" culture. > In strict genealogical > terms, at what point is the reference valid? I had a hard time following what exactly are you asking. However, if you are asking about men becoming members of the tribe to which he marries (in essence going to his wife's tribe) then... First, not all tribes are matrilineal. Meaning not all men go to the wifes tribe. And just because an Indian man marries a caucasian woman doesn't mean he is not indian - this is only referring to tribal affiliation - he would still be Indian. How it affects his tribal affiliation probably depends on the tribe. They may choose to adopt his wife into the tribe and then she would be of the tribe, but as I said it would vary by tribe. But I imagine if the woman had no tribe then they would remain with the man's tribe (if they so chose). If you are trying to determine how long down the line you could be consider Indian. My opinion is that you will always be of Indian descent. As for "legally" that varies by tribe. Each tribe has it's own membership requirements. Some require as much as 1/2. You would have to contact the tribe to find out what their tribal requirements are (or look and see if they have a website.). The degree of Indian blood requirements were originally established by the Government I believe. I think some of the criteria are being looked at as the tribal membership dwindle to nothing (which was the original intent some believe). Hope this helps some.

If I understand your question right, you're wondering about how far down the generational line one can be considered a native American. I am no expert, but I believe the US government considers a person to be native American if they are 1/8. But other organizations may have other definitions. I believe that the more expensive DNA tests can be done through the female. Of course, the children by this Love's first marriage would not be native American. Later generations, of course, must prove their lineage one generation at a time beginning with the present and working back through birth and death certificates, census records, church records primarily. Katheryn [email protected] wrote:In a message dated 4/5/2003 9:15:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > 1803: Another countryman, John McIntosh, appointed him administrator > of the his estate in 1803. "Thomas later married second a full-blood > Chickasaw woman named Emahota In-cun-no-mar. Following the Chickasaw > tradition of the husband becoming a member of the wife's family, he > became a member of the house of In-cun-no-mar. "Thomas fathered eight > sons and five daughters. Seven of his sons became Chickasaw leaders, > particularly during and after the removal to Indian Territory. Greetings, I have a question regarding this custom of determining the line of descendcy from the mother regarding "native american" culture. In strict genealogical terms, at what point is the reference valid? If we assume the initial marriage and descendant's (any and all) from that union are genealogical descendants from that union, how do later generations support their lineage from that union? When I see references like this, I wonder about those who may not have a "maternal" link to that union but a paternal link. Yet they may clearly show how their lineage is connected to the original female member of the tribe. Would they not still be considered to possess the "same" bloodlines, though "technically" not having an immediate mother who would be considered of "native american" blood? Another question would be is this not an example that is somewhat contradictory and duplicitous when it comes to the children of the male in particular the "native american" culture in particular but the dominant culture in general? Also with the advances in DNA research would this also call into question the whole concept of determining ones "race" by that of the mother? We have so many contradictory examples of this in present day (for lack of a better phrase) "racial politics" that it seems to invalidate many people who could/would claim "native american" ancestry. Just a thought Terry ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== To research Love surname: http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/l/o/LOVE/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

My notes show that David Fleming married Mary Elizabeth Shelton c. 1782. It is believed that David was the brother of Margaret Fleming who married John Love who settled thereafter in McMinn Co., TN. However, this is not the result of my personal research and I have no documentary proof. Katheryn "Joyce G. Reece" <[email protected]> wrote:Is there anyone who can explain the relationship between James Shelton born 1791 and Benjamin Wood of Polk/McMinn Counties Tenn. Did Benjamin marry one of James dtrs? What was the relationship to the Love family? Joyce Gaston Reece ==== LOVE Mailing List ==== We also have a LOVE-UK list To join send the word SUBSCRIBE [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

I found the following in and index of NY marriages: Love, Mary and William Morton, license issued 24 August 1782, Marriage Bonds, volume xxxvi page 121. Names of persons for whom marriage licenses were issued by the secretary of the province of New York, previous to 1784 Albany: Weed, Parsons, 1860, page 238