Carl, Thank you for a detailed explanation of the DNA process. Bill is in the Looney line but there is a question as to where he ties in late 1700s. After reflecting on your analysis, my brain kicked in and the Harbison line in his case would not work to rule out the Harbisons since his line drops from the female and as you noted, it eventually does in the Looney line, also. Therefore; it wasn't going to help with the Looney line, either, as you pointed out. Good idea, just won't work as I hoped. Will have to keep searching the records. Need more science or better grip on the records. There is an elderly Looney gentleman that connects with Bill's in early 1800 AR that could do the DNA on the Looney side but we know the line from there anyway, and as you say, it probably would not differentiate between Luna/Looney, so no advantage to testing from his DNA. There may be some out there that are contemplating DNA to clarify their line and your excellent explanation should help those interested decide whether DNA analysis would benefit them in their search. Thanks again. Nita In a message dated 8/15/2004 5:16:17 PM Central Daylight Time, cholder@wk.net writes: I am not sure I completely followed the testing scenario proposed in this post, but I would caution you to review the general discussion of the value of DNA testing at familytree.com or other similar sites. I participate in the Holder-DNA Project, and there are a couple of major parameters to keep in mind. (1) the primary instrument used is an analysis of the Y-Chromosome, present in males only and passed from father to son. The reason is because the Y-Chrom can be traced concurrent with the family surname (with an occassional deviation). This would of course limit testing to LOONEY men with actual Looney lineage only. For instance, I have a double Looney line, but alas, it comes through with father's maternal line, so though I have plenty of Looney genes, I have no Looney Y-Chromosome DNA. (2) the test results do not really aid in sorting out generations within the same lineage. An example being-I matched two fifth cousins on 25 of 25 markers. I could reasonably expect the same results from my son or with a cousin 10 times removed. Thus, Y Chrom DNA testing would not help separate, say, Lunas from Looneys, (in all probabilty). These concerns aside DNA testing has proved very beneficial to Holder genealogists-settling some old arguments, and creating some new ones!! Carl Holder ------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: <N5BRY@aol.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [LOONEY-L] Re: Harbison DNA search > I notice several family lines are participating in DNA research to find if > they are from the family line they think they are and successfully ruling in > or out of the lineage they have been pursuing perhaps in vain. > > Are any of you from the Looney/Harbison KY lines interested in doing this? > > Reason for asking: Husband Bill is supposed to be from the Jonathan and > Jane Harbison Looney line. > > I have maintained for a long time that there is not one shred of evidence > that this couple had any children that lived to adulthood but would like to be > proven wrong. The only child noted in a census with them (Lincoln Co., TN, > 1820) was Jane's nephew, Thomas Harbison Shaw who apparently moved with them > from KY. His mother came too but the son chose to live with the aunt and > uncle due to a family dispute. > > None of the Looneys that migrated to Lincoln Co., TN, are connected to this > couple. Those Looneys are from other lines. > > I know that is seems that the Joseph Looney attributed to this couple seems > to have dropped out of a space ship into AR but with the DNA from those that > are hoping this is the correct line from the Harbison line, might be able to > either rule in or out the Jane Harbison Looney line by comparing with others > from Jane's KY Harbison line. Do not want to mix with the NC line. Some of > them may have arrived too late to be closely connected to the VA and KY > lines. The Augusta, VA, line may be the same as the KY, possibly Wm and Jane's > father were brothers. > > I have been corresponding with a number of Harbisons for about 2 years and > there seems to be 3 Harbison lines needing to be separated or connected. > > Some of the Harbisons are now involved in a DNA ancestral search. > > Anyone from this AR Joseph Looney line interested in participating in this > DNA search can let me know and I will put you in touch with the Harbison DNA > search site for further information. I haven't checked out the sites myself > but my Harbison contact has. > > If we find that someone from Jane Harbison's father's line is participating, > Bill is interested in pursuing the quest. Of course, this only available > through the male ancestral population. > > Nita > >

Hello All, Does anyone have James Andrew Looney (Luney) b. 1852, Roanoke Co., VA son of William E. Looney (Luney) and Nancy H.? Siblings of James Andrew were: Sally Looney (married a Murray) John Ote (Oak) Looney Robert Looney Children of James Andrew Looney: Thomas D. Looney 1871-1907 James William Looney b. Oct 12, 1873; d. aft 1916 Nannie C. Looney 1875-1875 John Oak Looney 1877-after 1916 George Oscar Looney b. 1880 in Salem, VA - d. after 1916 Sarah Josie Looney b. May 26, 1882 in Salem, VA - d. 1965 Charles Robert Looney b. Oct 23, 1884 Henry Brady Looney b. March 12, 1886 Louis David Looney b. March 26, 1888 Benjamin Frank Looney b. March 10, 1891 Ernest H. Looney b. May 24, 1894 Thanks, Donna Howell