There has been other info posted here on "the Black Fox" (differentiating between the men, etc.) in past years that you might look up in the Looney List archives, Beverly. I'm sorry you were offended and going on past postings on this board, I'm sure the poster didn't mean it that way at all. I have to say this is the ONLY list I've been on for several years now that everyone is very helpful in sharing their information. Most of the other lists I'm on want to know what you have to "trade". . . you know. . . .what info do you have to swap for this info kind of thing, before they are willing to share. The people on the Looney List have always been among the best to share and we have to remember that "tone" doesn't come across in emails. Most people these days are searching out their Indian heritage, rather than being embarrassed by one being there. Many of us have Indian heritage passed on down through our Looney/Luna lines, me included. If you really want to unsubscribe, I think you have to send a message to Looney-L-Request, but I hope you'll hang around a while and make use of the list. It used to be a hopping place around here, but has slowed down a lot in the last while. Its always good to see posts coming on it. Maybe someone else can pop in here with a link to the archives. I never can remember just how to get to them. Karen Luna Ray At 09:32 AM 2/2/2004 -0800, you wrote: >---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >Subject: >From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> >Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm >To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it >was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to >me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in >there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want >to know. >Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or >they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the >1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named >Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, >private, not captain. >My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do >I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those >Looneys were above procreating with Indians. >Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else >and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't >mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had >children by his noble ancestor >beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > >Hi, >Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to >see this, but just in case---- >(Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably >given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the >Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the >English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney >would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal >from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was >removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great >uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was >captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the >Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set >free after a few weeks of captivity. > >I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the >other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or >his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic >sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone >else have any info on this? > >beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > >==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== >Was "John" Robert's father? or brother? Was Robert's wife Elizabeth? Was >she a Stover or Llewellen? Was John's wife also a Llewellen (did sisters >marry brothers?)? How many of Robert's siblings and neices/nephews came >to America, too? Help us solve these mysteries today on the LOONEY list.