Beverly, Please read the last sentence of your original submission. You said "Does anyone else have any info on this?". I have information on this and I furnished it in an attempt to set the record straight. My response was not meant to insult anyone, it was intended to set straight the facts as they are documented and proven. If you find bigotry in setting the facts straight, then you are clearly trying to read something into them that is not there. I can back up each fact with written documentation, I'm talking about the facts related to Bill Looney and his grandfather Capt. John Looney. I'm also talking about the facts related to Cherokee Chief John Looney and Enoli (not the same person). Can you do the same with the information that you earlier put out there for everyone to read? Many researchers have tried to find the connection between the Cherokee John Looney and the Robert Looney family. I personally have spent many hours researching and attempting to find a family connection without any success. I have collected a lot of documentation on the Cherokee, Enoli and Chief John Looney. I ask you to think about this, if I or anyone else were truly a bigot, would they be looking for such a family connection? I will tell you right now that I personally feel the Cherokee were done wrong. Yes they were REMOVED and their lands were taken by force. If I had the power to fix that I would, but I don't. That is history and I cannot change it. All I can do is recognize it happened and if I'm ever in a position to speak out or act against any similar treatment in the future, I would do it. Another fact that is set in stone is our ancestors. I can't change that either. We are who we are and our ancestors are who they are. I'm not trying to keep the Cherokee or other Native Americans separate from the European Looney's. That would be impossible since there were several branches of the Robert Looney family that are known to have married Native Americans and had children together. I've even seen documents that show some of these Native American Looney descendants were actually denied membership on the Native American rolls. If this list were willing to accept every wild and unfounded claim that was put out in email or on the internet, I would not be a part of it and I honestly don't think many others would hang around long either. I think everyone who is on this list expects that what we see posted to this list should have some degree of truth to it and the submitter should be able to support those claims with some kind of proof. We all owe it to our ancestors to get the facts straight and I would think that Chief John Looney would very much like for us to get our facts straight too. If you or others would like help putting the facts straight on Chief John Looney, I would be more than happy to help you. I would even be proud to post this factual information to my web site so others who follow will be able to discover the truth and build on the facts as we now know them. Larry W. Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: [LOONEY-L] [Fwd: ] > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: > From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> > Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm > To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it > was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to > me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in > there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want > to know. > Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or > they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the > 1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named > Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, > private, not captain. > My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do > I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those > Looneys were above procreating with Indians. > Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else > and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't > mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had > children by his noble ancestor > beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > > Hi, > Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to > see this, but just in case---- > (Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably > given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the > Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the > English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney > would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal > from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was > removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great > uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was > captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the > Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set > free after a few weeks of captivity. > > I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the > other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or > his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic > sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone > else have any info on this? > > beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > Was "John" Robert's father? or brother? Was Robert's wife Elizabeth? Was > she a Stover or Llewellen? Was John's wife also a Llewellen (did sisters > marry brothers?)? How many of Robert's siblings and neices/nephews came > to America, too? Help us solve these mysteries today on the LOONEY list. >