Beverly You have clearly over reacted. There was no bigotry in the response to you about Black Fox-John Looney. Perhaps, some impatience with what the responder considered bad research, but clearly no bigotry. I am a descendent of Robert Looney (7th Generation) with 3/16 Cherokee blood, so certainly we inter-married, but let's get the links right. If you stoll want off the list contact the administrator. None of us can do it for you. Hope you stay. We value your views. Regards, Glenn Looney Beverly Birdwell wrote: >---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >Subject: >From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> >Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm >To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it >was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to >me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in >there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want >to know. >Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or >they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the >1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named >Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, >private, not captain. >My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do >I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those >Looneys were above procreating with Indians. >Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else >and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't >mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had >children by his noble ancestor >beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > >Hi, >Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to >see this, but just in case---- >(Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably >given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the >Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the >English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney >would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal >from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was >removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great >uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was >captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the >Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set >free after a few weeks of captivity. > >I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the >other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or >his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic >sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone >else have any info on this? > >beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > >==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== >Was "John" Robert's father? or brother? Was Robert's wife Elizabeth? Was >she a Stover or Llewellen? Was John's wife also a Llewellen (did sisters >marry brothers?)? How many of Robert's siblings and neices/nephews came >to America, too? Help us solve these mysteries today on the LOONEY list. > > > >