I think I agree with you Ginny. Larry came up with a James/Joe that was also born in 1836. They had lost track of the father John and son James/Joe. I think I'm going to start with Larry's info and work forward and see if they tie with my 1870 James/Joe. I sure hope I can put some pieces together soon. I need a month vacation from work (what a joke) so I can spend full time on this. Bettye Looney Bowerman