Bill and Steve, Thanks much! Apparently the dbase where I got John's birthyear has a small error (transcribed 1779 birth should have read 1799) -- fixing that makes it all work and match up to the 9th District, Rogersville, 1870 Hawkins County, census information. Based almost solely on the above referenced census, I have been able to put ages on all but two of the children of John / Elizabeth. Here's what I put together by subtracting census age from census date for the children you noted plus others. Children showing in that 1870 census in their separate households include Absolom Looney (#100), John Looney (#143), Jane (Looney) Johnson (#44), Joseph P. Looney (#45), Mary Looney (#5) and Michael Jackson Looney (#39). Orville and Elizabeth were in their parents' household (#38). Children re-ordered to be in birth order, with the ones on your list marked by asterisk: * Absalom Looney (b. abt 1814, when his mother would have been 15 yrs old) * James Houston Looney [James H.not in census so no age obtained, perhaps in long 1814/1825 gap ? Matilda Looney (no other information on this child except a name) [Not in census, but in SWalls dbase? Is she a valid child of J/E? No b'yr. * Mary Ann Looney (b. abt 1825, head of household w/dau Eva) [see note below] * Michael Jackson Looney (b. abt 1827, shown with household of 1870) * John Looney (b. abt 1828, shown with household of 1870) * Joseph Payne (b. abt 1835, shown w/household of 1870) * Virginia Jane "Jane" (b. abt 1839, shown w/husband James Johnson & household) [Was James a relative of his mother-in-law Elizabeth (Johnson) Looney?] [Who was the 12yr old Jackson Johnson living in the elder's household?] * Orville B. (b. abt 1839, shown w/parents. [Were Jane and Orville twins?] [New] Elizabeth Looney (b. abt 1849, shown w/parents) [See note below] Bill, you give Mary Ann (Eliz) as one person, but what I had before plus the 1870 census record seems to substantiate a Mary [Ann?] b. about 1825 and a much younger Elizabeth (b. about 1849 and still in parent's household at age 21.) This would have made this Elizabeth's mother age 50 when she gave birth to her youngest child. Very unusual but not unheard of. You asked about Michael Jackson Looney's wife's maiden name. He was first married about 1837 (wife's name not known) and they had a son William. Then he married again in 1850/1851 to Susan CORMACK. They had at least six children [Virginia Emiline (b. abt 1851), Elizabeth (b. 1856), Julia (b. 1859), Cornelius (b. abt 1862), John (b. abt 1867) and Matilda (b. abt 1869).] Note that Mary Ann LOONEY married William E. CORMACK, who may well have been a brother to Michael Jackson's wife Susan. [NOTE: For the head-of-household "Mary Looney" in the 1870 census to be Wm Cormack's wife/widow, her husband, William Cormack would probably have died or deserted the family sometime after Eva's birth and then Mary went back to using her own family name. Her age and proximity to the other family members makes this a distinct possibility, but it is not proven.] HELP REQUESTED AGAIN? There are two additional records in this same 9th District, Rogersville, 1870 Hawkins County, census that I cannot figure out. Perhaps you can shed some light on this these individuals as well. Households #140 and 141 have me stumped. 140 LOONEY, A. S. – FARMER 38 M W TN SALLY P. 31 F W TN HESTER A. 8 M W TN EDWARD S. 7 M W TN FELIX G. 5 M W TN SIDNEY J. 1 M W TN 141 LOONEY, SARAH 70 F W TN MARGARETT 39 F W TN PEARSON, LEE – WORKING ON FARM 32 M W TN SARAH J. 35 F W TN LALLA R. 2 F W TN WILLIAM C. 1 M W TN BRICE, CAROLINE 38 F B TN JOHN 12 M B TN CLINTON 9 M B TN AMBROSE 3 M B TN (a). Who was A.S. Looney (b. abt 1832, TN)? Who were his parents? (b). Who were Sarah Looney (b. abt 1800, TN) and Margarett Looney (b. abt 1831, TN) living next door? (c). What relationships do this Caroline Brice and her children have to Columbus Brice, the first husband of Jane Looney (and father of her first three children still living with Jane in 1870)? The great puzzle continues! Great fun! All the best, Jim In a message dated 7/5/2003 12:59:36 PM Central Daylight Time, N5BRY writes: > Subj: John Looney, son of Michael(3) > Date: 7/5/2003 12:59:36 PM Central Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:N5BRY">N5BRY</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:JimmyDCain">JimmyDCain</A> > > Jimmy- > Attached is the John Looney that was born Oct 2, 1799 in Hawkins Co. Tn. > > Bill > Cousin Jimmy - > > I am from the Absalom(1) line but have a lot of good information on the rest > of the tribe. > > John wa born Oct 2, 1799 in Hawkins Co., Tn. Died Aug 8, 1880 in Hawkins and > buried in the old Looney Cemetery. > > His wife is Elizabeth and the children I have listed are: > > Michael Jackson Looney > Mary (Eliz) Ann Looney > James Houston > John > Absalom > Joseph Payne > Virginia Jane > Orville B. > > There may be others, but this is all I have records of. Susan, wife of > Michael, do you have her maiden name? > > Thanks > > Bill