For those who may be interested here is another showing pictures of a Looney family that came from Ireland and settled in NY state. http://www.newsday.com/extras/lihistory/specfam/famloon.htm

Ran across this picture on the internet and thought some may be interested. Click on the link below. http://www.rootsweb.com/~arrandol/LooneyFamAlbum.htm

I have seen an account where RUTHIE YATES (SHORTRIDGE) and MELISSA SHORTRIDGE were sisters. But I have also read where RUTHIE's father was JOHN YATES and MELISSA's parents were ROBERT SHORTRIDGE and BROWN. I have no mother for RUTHIE If RUTHIE was a SHORTRIDGE, did she marry a YATES and could JOHN YATES be her husband and not her father. Also I have seen an account where RUTHIE and JOSEPH LOONEY never married; they just lived together and had three children. Other accounts say she was his first wife. Can anyone on the list provide some enlightenment? Thanks! Benne

I thought others on the Looney list would like to see the following article taken from "The National Intelligencer, May 18, 1846". Here is the web address where you can print the article out. http://www.congressionalcemetery.org/PDF/Obits/L/Obits_Looney.PDF Larry

Charlie, If you have access to a copy of "Then Along Came Joe" Volume 2 by Wilma Walker Dunlap, then you need to look on page 128. This book has a lot of Looney Family information and it shows Sarah Caroline Looney b. March 20, 1864, died August 26, 1938. She married first to Jacob McGlothlin, born 1861 the son of David and Nellie McGlothlin. The book does not mention this Nellie McGlothlin being native American, but then again, it does not mention her maiden name or parents either. Sarah married second to Anthony R. Street. There were four children by the first marriage and nine by the second. The book only shows that your grandmother Nellie Jane McGlothin, b. 1885 was the first child of Sarah and that she married John F. McGlothin on Aug 10, 1900. Sarah was the daughter of William and Elizabeth (Yates) Looney. Her parents are buried in the Looney-Elswick Cemetery at Stacy, Buchanan Co., VA. I personally met two grand daughters of Sarah while on a trip to Botetourt Co, VA. They were both the daughters of Julia M McGlothin, b. 1891 d. 1970 (third child of Sarah). Many years later I made email contact with one of their daughter who still works and lives in that same area. She found me through my web site when she read about my visit to Botetourt County. If you would like to make contact with this daughter, let me know and I will look up her email address for you. Larry W. Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Jones" <charlie11@zoominternet.net> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: [LOONEY-L] Looney Cherokee > Hi All Sarah Caroline Looney B-3-20-1864 in Buchanan,Co Virginia my Great > Grandmother was a Cherokee 100% her daughter Nellie my Grand Mother told me > this,GrandMother Nellie looked like Indian My Mother looks like Indian. > Anyone have anything on Sarah Caroline Looney B-3-20-1864 D-8-26-1938 > married 1st Jacob Mcglothlin married 2nd Anthony Street > > Thank You Charlie > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.574 / Virus Database: 364 - Release Date: 1/29/2004 > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > If you find a web page somewhere listing Manx, Irish or Scotch surnames > and they don't include LOONEY/LUNA/etc., send them a note to let them > know we're around. The more advertising we have, the more help we get. >

Beverly, Please read the last sentence of your original submission. You said "Does anyone else have any info on this?". I have information on this and I furnished it in an attempt to set the record straight. My response was not meant to insult anyone, it was intended to set straight the facts as they are documented and proven. If you find bigotry in setting the facts straight, then you are clearly trying to read something into them that is not there. I can back up each fact with written documentation, I'm talking about the facts related to Bill Looney and his grandfather Capt. John Looney. I'm also talking about the facts related to Cherokee Chief John Looney and Enoli (not the same person). Can you do the same with the information that you earlier put out there for everyone to read? Many researchers have tried to find the connection between the Cherokee John Looney and the Robert Looney family. I personally have spent many hours researching and attempting to find a family connection without any success. I have collected a lot of documentation on the Cherokee, Enoli and Chief John Looney. I ask you to think about this, if I or anyone else were truly a bigot, would they be looking for such a family connection? I will tell you right now that I personally feel the Cherokee were done wrong. Yes they were REMOVED and their lands were taken by force. If I had the power to fix that I would, but I don't. That is history and I cannot change it. All I can do is recognize it happened and if I'm ever in a position to speak out or act against any similar treatment in the future, I would do it. Another fact that is set in stone is our ancestors. I can't change that either. We are who we are and our ancestors are who they are. I'm not trying to keep the Cherokee or other Native Americans separate from the European Looney's. That would be impossible since there were several branches of the Robert Looney family that are known to have married Native Americans and had children together. I've even seen documents that show some of these Native American Looney descendants were actually denied membership on the Native American rolls. If this list were willing to accept every wild and unfounded claim that was put out in email or on the internet, I would not be a part of it and I honestly don't think many others would hang around long either. I think everyone who is on this list expects that what we see posted to this list should have some degree of truth to it and the submitter should be able to support those claims with some kind of proof. We all owe it to our ancestors to get the facts straight and I would think that Chief John Looney would very much like for us to get our facts straight too. If you or others would like help putting the facts straight on Chief John Looney, I would be more than happy to help you. I would even be proud to post this factual information to my web site so others who follow will be able to discover the truth and build on the facts as we now know them. Larry W. Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: [LOONEY-L] [Fwd: ] > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: > From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> > Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm > To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it > was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to > me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in > there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want > to know. > Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or > they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the > 1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named > Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, > private, not captain. > My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do > I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those > Looneys were above procreating with Indians. > Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else > and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't > mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had > children by his noble ancestor > beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > > Hi, > Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to > see this, but just in case---- > (Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably > given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the > Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the > English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney > would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal > from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was > removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great > uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was > captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the > Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set > free after a few weeks of captivity. > > I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the > other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or > his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic > sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone > else have any info on this? > > beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > Was "John" Robert's father? or brother? Was Robert's wife Elizabeth? Was > she a Stover or Llewellen? Was John's wife also a Llewellen (did sisters > marry brothers?)? How many of Robert's siblings and neices/nephews came > to America, too? Help us solve these mysteries today on the LOONEY list. >

Caheraown National School Information Courtesy of Mrs. Catherine Talty, Coore According to the old records Caheraown National School had a relatively short lifespan, being in existence from 1868 to 1906. After it's closure it is more than likely that it's remaining pupils transferred to the schools of Coore, Shanaway, Doolough and perhaps Kinturk. At various places in the records the spelling of the schools name appeared in three variations - Caheraown, Cahiraown and Cahiraowen. The pupils who attended the school were one hundred percent Roman Catholic and came from a fairly wide-ranging area. Pupils came from Coore, Shanaway, Kinturk, Glaun, The Hand, Doolough, Mount Callan and many other townlands in between the extremities. Many of the people who lived in Kilmurry-Ibrickane today are direct descendants of these pupils. Some other family names are no longer to be found in the area. Like most other areas, emigration no doubt played a part in this. The vast majority of the parents of the pupils were farmers. A few were the children of herdsman, labourers, shopkeepers, publicans, weavers, a teacher, widows, a beggar, a merchant, a tailor, a widower and an orphan. Many of the people listed as herdsman would eventually have owned their own farms. Last Name First Name Address Month Day Year Parent's Occupation (if available) Looney Anne The Hand March 7 1898 Looney Thomas Clounlaheen November 30 1874 http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcla/school.html

Carroll County Arkansas Cemetery Listings, Zion Hill Cemetery Looney, Margarete----------Aug. 19, 1843--Dec. 14, 1930 Looney, Wm L----Co C 15 Missouri Cav----Apr. 7, 1844--Nov. 16, 1912 http://www.rootsweb.com/~arcchs/hszhcem.html

Born in Bosque County, Texas: WEEHUNT, Carmen Eugene--born 28 AUG 1909 in Morgan, TX to William Abraham & Martha Louwillie (LOONEY) WEEHUNT; died 06 JUN 1974 in Kaufman, Kaufman Co., TX; Married Jewel Raymond THOMPSON (1908-1989) on 24 DEC 1931 in Oklahoma http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/Contents/Births.html

Hi All Sarah Caroline Looney B-3-20-1864 in Buchanan,Co Virginia my Great Grandmother was a Cherokee 100% her daughter Nellie my Grand Mother told me this,GrandMother Nellie looked like Indian My Mother looks like Indian. Anyone have anything on Sarah Caroline Looney B-3-20-1864 D-8-26-1938 married 1st Jacob Mcglothlin married 2nd Anthony Street Thank You Charlie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.574 / Virus Database: 364 - Release Date: 1/29/2004

To search the Looney archives from 1983 to present this is the link: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/Looney

Hi, Beverly, Larry, and the List: I do not know Larry Johnson except for reading his input to the Looney Mailing list over the years and his website. I did not get out of Larry's post that he was "offended by an Indian in their closet." The List archives has considerable information about these Indian Looneys;it has been discussed repeatedly over the years. Larry is a dedicated researcher and has spent quite a bit of effort in the research on his own lines and the Indian Looney lines and has yet to find a connection to Robert Looney. There may be a connection, but there is no PROOF yet. The Indian Looneys are very much a part of the Looney List. The List is dominated by Robert Looney's descendants since they are the most numerous, but other lines are welcome as well. Please re-read Larry's post below. He is not putting down Indians. He is putting down shoddy research and people jumping to conclusions without the facts to back them up. I am not related to these lines, so I have no ax to grind in this discussion. What I, personally, found offensive was Beverly's desire to find offense where none was indicated, jumping to conclusions based on an unsubstantiated article, and then sending her message out to all of us on this list. Genealogy is about FACTS, not fantasy. Genealogy lists are for sharing and exchanging, not people to flame those who present facts that they don't like. The Looney list is a very civil and helpful list, unlike many I have been on over the years. Teresa, who is proud to have Indian ancestors and has spent 25 years doing research to prove it ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want to know. Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the 1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, private, not captain. My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those Looneys were above procreating with Indians. Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had children by his noble ancestor beverlybirdwell@netxn.com Larry Johnson's Post: This information is a figment of someone's imagination and totally incorrect. What someone has done is to take different facts about Cherokee and white Looney family members and blend them together in an apparent attempt to add native American or white Looney roots to their family. Yes there was a Cherokee by the name of Chief John Looney, but NO there is absolutely nothing to indicate he is a descendant of the Robert Looney family. This Chief John Looney is said to have been the nephew of Enoli (also known as Black Fox). I have a record where Chief John Looney filed a land claim (reservation) in Alabama and he identified the place as the land where Black Fox used to live and is now buried. Chief John Looney was not "removed" from this reservation in northern Alabama, he left on his own to go live in Arkansas and he left it in the possession of his two sisters. This reservation was taken from him (and his sisters) when it was determined that he had already left it to move to Arkansas. Chief John Looney did move on into Oklahoma where he was soon joined by all the other Cherokee who moved there during the "Trail of Tears". He was never removed from any part of Oklahoma. He did go to Washington, DC as a delegate of the Cherokee and he died there while on this mission. This Chief John Looney fought and was wounded during the Creek Wars (associated with the War of 1812). I also have a copy of his application for a pension claim due to this war service and his injury. This Chief John Looney is buried in Washington, D.C. and his tombstone identifies him as Capt. John Looney, a Cherokee. I'm not sure why his tombstone says Capt. because he was only a private when he served in the Creek War. There is quite a bit of documented information on this John Looney, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate a family relationship with the Robert Looney family from the Isle of Mann. There was a William (Bill) Bauch Looney who was the son of Moses and Mary (Guest) Looney. This Bill Looney was from northern Alabama and he aided the North during the Civil War. He helped individuals who did not support the CSA cause. He helped them escape involuntary service with the CSA by taking them through the woods and hollows, avoiding the CSA troops/recruiters while going north. He was captured by the CSA on more than one occasion and escaped each time. The CSA who was trying to stop his activities gave him the nick name of "Black Fox". Bill Looney actually received a pension for this "war service" even though he never served a day on active duty with the north. This nickname had absolutely nothing to do with any known or even supposed family relationships with any native Americans. Bill Looney was a brother to my GGG-Grandfather, Moses Looney Jr. Something that I found out that came as a complete surprise is the fact that there was an "USA" unit from Alabama, I believe it was designated as the 1st Alabama Regiment. There was another brother of Bill and Moses Looney (A.M. Looney) that served in this unit during the Civil War. Larry W. Johnson Descendant of Moses and Mary (Guest) Looney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: [LOONEY-L] > Hi, > Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to > see this, but just in case---- > (Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably > given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the > Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the > English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney > would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal > from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was > removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great > uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was > captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the > Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set > free after a few weeks of captivity. > > I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the > other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or > his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic > sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone > else have any info on this? > > beverlybirdwell@netxn.com >

hello,i am a looney with indian blood from my great grandmother.iam proud of my mixed family.as everyone should be,no one can be a pure anything.people should get over there own fears,we are a mixed nation and this is, what made america great.we need to start seeing people for what is inside,we have enought problems in this world we need to solve together.divided we fall period.parents teach there children the same beliefs that they were taught.and so it goes, on and on.we must teach love and respect for all people to our own kids,by showing them the way.i have irish,english,and indian background so far from my dads side,on to my moms.i just wanted you to know that not everyone on the looney webb are closed minded fools.best wishes,robin

There has been other info posted here on "the Black Fox" (differentiating between the men, etc.) in past years that you might look up in the Looney List archives, Beverly. I'm sorry you were offended and going on past postings on this board, I'm sure the poster didn't mean it that way at all. I have to say this is the ONLY list I've been on for several years now that everyone is very helpful in sharing their information. Most of the other lists I'm on want to know what you have to "trade". . . you know. . . .what info do you have to swap for this info kind of thing, before they are willing to share. The people on the Looney List have always been among the best to share and we have to remember that "tone" doesn't come across in emails. Most people these days are searching out their Indian heritage, rather than being embarrassed by one being there. Many of us have Indian heritage passed on down through our Looney/Luna lines, me included. If you really want to unsubscribe, I think you have to send a message to Looney-L-Request, but I hope you'll hang around a while and make use of the list. It used to be a hopping place around here, but has slowed down a lot in the last while. Its always good to see posts coming on it. Maybe someone else can pop in here with a link to the archives. I never can remember just how to get to them. Karen Luna Ray At 09:32 AM 2/2/2004 -0800, you wrote: >---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >Subject: >From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> >Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm >To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it >was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to >me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in >there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want >to know. >Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or >they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the >1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named >Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, >private, not captain. >My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do >I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those >Looneys were above procreating with Indians. >Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else >and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't >mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had >children by his noble ancestor >beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > >Hi, >Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to >see this, but just in case---- >(Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably >given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the >Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the >English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney >would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal >from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was >removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great >uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was >captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the >Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set >free after a few weeks of captivity. > >I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the >other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or >his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic >sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone >else have any info on this? > >beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > >==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== >Was "John" Robert's father? or brother? Was Robert's wife Elizabeth? Was >she a Stover or Llewellen? Was John's wife also a Llewellen (did sisters >marry brothers?)? How many of Robert's siblings and neices/nephews came >to America, too? Help us solve these mysteries today on the LOONEY list.

Beverly You have clearly over reacted. There was no bigotry in the response to you about Black Fox-John Looney. Perhaps, some impatience with what the responder considered bad research, but clearly no bigotry. I am a descendent of Robert Looney (7th Generation) with 3/16 Cherokee blood, so certainly we inter-married, but let's get the links right. If you stoll want off the list contact the administrator. None of us can do it for you. Hope you stay. We value your views. Regards, Glenn Looney Beverly Birdwell wrote: >---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- >Subject: >From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> >Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm >To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it >was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to >me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in >there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want >to know. >Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or >they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the >1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named >Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, >private, not captain. >My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do >I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those >Looneys were above procreating with Indians. >Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else >and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't >mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had >children by his noble ancestor >beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > >Hi, >Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to >see this, but just in case---- >(Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably >given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the >Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the >English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney >would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal >from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was >removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great >uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was >captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the >Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set >free after a few weeks of captivity. > >I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the >other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or >his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic >sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone >else have any info on this? > >beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > >==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== >Was "John" Robert's father? or brother? Was Robert's wife Elizabeth? Was >she a Stover or Llewellen? Was John's wife also a Llewellen (did sisters >marry brothers?)? How many of Robert's siblings and neices/nephews came >to America, too? Help us solve these mysteries today on the LOONEY list. > > > >

Beverly, You sure did not offend me. My husband is somehow related to the Dalton Gang, I am still making the connection in my search. In fact, I would almost guarentee there is Indian in every family if you just know where to look for it. Rema Cole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: [LOONEY-L] [Fwd: ] ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want to know. Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the 1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, private, not captain. My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those Looneys were above procreating with Indians. Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had children by his noble ancestor beverlybirdwell@netxn.com Hi, Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to see this, but just in case---- (Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set free after a few weeks of captivity. I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone else have any info on this? beverlybirdwell@netxn.com ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== Was "John" Robert's father? or brother? Was Robert's wife Elizabeth? Was she a Stover or Llewellen? Was John's wife also a Llewellen (did sisters marry brothers?)? How many of Robert's siblings and neices/nephews came to America, too? Help us solve these mysteries today on the LOONEY list. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 01/30/2004

---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> Date: Wed, January 28, 2004 12:10 pm To: LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I sent this message to the list, I was under the impression that it was for sharing and exchanging all the info available. It didn't occur to me that there were searchers out there that were offended by an Indian in there family closet. I don't care if my ancesters were green, I just want to know. Whether they went ahead, and became Old Settlers, as my ancesters did, or they were marched, they were still REMOVED and just a note to add, in the 1835 census of Cherokees east of the Mississippi, there were 3 men named Black Fox--so stupid of me to think one of them might be my John Looney, private, not captain. My personal opinion is that bigotry has no place in genealogy, but what do I know, because I am not considered related to THE Robert Looney. Those Looneys were above procreating with Indians. Please remove my name from this list--I don't want to offend anyone else and I apologize to everyone except the writer of that message. I didn't mean to offend by suggesting that one of my Cherokee ancesters had children by his noble ancestor beverlybirdwell@netxn.com Hi, Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to see this, but just in case---- (Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set free after a few weeks of captivity. I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone else have any info on this? beverlybirdwell@netxn.com

I have a copy of a Land Record I got from Land Records - Alabama at ancestry.com. This record shows a JOHN LOONEY purchased 79.6400 acres from the Huntsville Land Office on February 6, 1822. Can anyone tell me which JOHN LOONEY this was? Benne New Boston, TX

This information is a figment of someone's imagination and totally incorrect. What someone has done is to take different facts about Cherokee and white Looney family members and blend them together in an apparent attempt to add native American or white Looney roots to their family. Yes there was a Cherokee by the name of Chief John Looney, but NO there is absolutely nothing to indicate he is a descendant of the Robert Looney family. This Chief John Looney is said to have been the nephew of Enoli (also known as Black Fox). I have a record where Chief John Looney filed a land claim (reservation) in Alabama and he identified the place as the land where Black Fox used to live and is now buried. Chief John Looney was not "removed" from this reservation in northern Alabama, he left on his own to go live in Arkansas and he left it in the possession of his two sisters. This reservation was taken from him (and his sisters) when it was determined that he had already left it to move to Arkansas. Chief John Looney did move on into Oklahoma where he was soon joined by all the other Cherokee who moved there during the "Trail of Tears". He was never removed from any part of Oklahoma. He did go to Washington, DC as a delegate of the Cherokee and he died there while on this mission. This Chief John Looney fought and was wounded during the Creek Wars (associated with the War of 1812). I also have a copy of his application for a pension claim due to this war service and his injury. This Chief John Looney is buried in Washington, D.C. and his tombstone identifies him as Capt. John Looney, a Cherokee. I'm not sure why his tombstone says Capt. because he was only a private when he served in the Creek War. There is quite a bit of documented information on this John Looney, but there is absolutely nothing to indicate a family relationship with the Robert Looney family from the Isle of Mann. There was a William (Bill) Bauch Looney who was the son of Moses and Mary (Guest) Looney. This Bill Looney was from northern Alabama and he aided the North during the Civil War. He helped individuals who did not support the CSA cause. He helped them escape involuntary service with the CSA by taking them through the woods and hollows, avoiding the CSA troops/recruiters while going north. He was captured by the CSA on more than one occasion and escaped each time. The CSA who was trying to stop his activities gave him the nick name of "Black Fox". Bill Looney actually received a pension for this "war service" even though he never served a day on active duty with the north. This nickname had absolutely nothing to do with any known or even supposed family relationships with any native Americans. Bill Looney was a brother to my GGG-Grandfather, Moses Looney Jr. Something that I found out that came as a complete surprise is the fact that there was an "USA" unit from Alabama, I believe it was designated as the 1st Alabama Regiment. There was another brother of Bill and Moses Looney (A.M. Looney) that served in this unit during the Civil War. Larry W. Johnson Descendant of Moses and Mary (Guest) Looney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Birdwell" <beverlybirdwell@netxn.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: [LOONEY-L] > Hi, > Here is an paragraph from an article I ran across---maybe I am the last to > see this, but just in case---- > (Bill Looney) He became known a "The Black Fox". This name was probably > given him because of an asscoiation with a Cherokee chief from the > Guntersville area called Black Fox in the early 1800's, who also had the > English name of John Looney and the Cherokee name of Enoli. Bill Looney > would have been about six years old at the time of the Cherokee Removal > from north Alabama when Chief John Looney, aka Enoli & Black Fox was > removed into western Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma. One of Bill's great > uncles was Captain John Looney ( Revolutionary War soldier) who was > captured by the Cherokees in March 1782 on the southern branches of the > Tennessee River, and may have left some progeny behind when he was set > free after a few weeks of captivity. > > I am descended from this Chief John Looney, but had never heard that the > other names were his also. The only info I had was that either John or > his father (also John) was named Ugidlati--this is the phonetic > sounding--I don't have the sylabary letters on my computer. Does anyone > else have any info on this? > > beverlybirdwell@netxn.com > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > Mailing List Archives may be found at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > (Enter "looney" as the list to be searched - no quotes). >

The Northeast Georgian, January 16, 2004 Obituaries Susan Looney Herron Funeral Services for Susan Looney Herron, 48, of Athens, Tenn., will be held at 10 a.m. today, Jan. 16, at Allen Memorial United Methodist Church with the Rev. Jeff Wright officiating. Burial will be in Macedonia United Methodist Church Cemetery in Louisa, Va. Mrs. Herron died Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2004, at her residence. A native of Cornelia, she was the daughter of the late William Looney. She was a member of Allen Memorial United Methodist Church. She was a 1973 graduate of Habersham Central High School and Truett-McConnell College. Survivors include her husband, Dan Herron of Athens, Tenn.; mother and stepfather, Minnie Looney and Bob Burton of Cornelia; daughters, Laura Beth Herron and Virginia "Ginni" Herron, both of Athens, Tenn.; sons, SPC Paul D. Herron, U.S. Army, serving in Korea, and Jacob W. "Jake" Herron of Athens, Tenn.; brothers, Dr. Stephen Looney of New Orleans, La., and Jon Looney of Cornelia; and mother-in-law, Audrey W. Herron of Charlottesville, Va. Memorials may be made to the American Cancer Society, P.O. Box 1365, Athens, TN 37371-1365, or to Allen memorial United Methodist church, 800 Decatur Pike, Athens, TN 37303. Jerry Smith Funeral Home, Athens, Tenn., was in charge of the arrangements. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Susan's LOONEY descent is Robert 1, Adam 2, Robert 3, Noah 4, Morgan Harbin 5, Earl Mortimer, Sr. 6, William Jarrell 7, Susan Elizabeth 8 Teresa McVeigh New Orleans, LA