Elizabeth Looney loved communicating and researching the various Looney lines. When she sent out letters inquiring about the Looney relations, she always said that she would write a book on the Looney family. She spent her life collecting everything that she could and I think she really enjoyed the socializing that these communications back and forth brought to her. Elizabeth wrote a short piece on her family line, but never quite got around to stopping the collection and sharing of information so she could write that book she always spoke of. Do not fear, Elizabeth's files are not lost. She gave them to me before she died under the condition that I would write a book on the Robert Looney Jr. line and give her credit for collecting all this information. Needless to say, with over 40 file boxes full of her files and family documents, there is more than enough data to write several books on the Looney family. I'm looking forward to retirement later this year so I can begin working on writing that book or books. Larry Johnson Keller, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <DClaudiaL@aol.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [LOONEY-L] Re:Hello cousins > Bob, > I don't know who Will and Sue were. Wish I did, but I have always > assumed (which we shouldn't do) that they were siblings of F.B. > Yes, I did know an Ellen Looney very well. If it is the same one, she > was married to Ben Looney, and I don't know where he fits in, but he was a > cousin of my dad's and not a 1st cousin. They lived in Walters, Okla, until Ben > died with cancer, and then Ellen moved to Lawton. Do you know when she > visited your mother? My brother and I were kids when we went to Walters to visit > Ellen and Ben, and she probably would have visited Texas or any relatives after > Ben died. She lived in Lawton until she died (I'm not sure when) but she was > still living in 1962 when I moved to Alabama. > I doubt if Elizabeth Looney ever published her research. She was very > interested in helping others and in tying all the lines together. This line > was abuzz when she was dying because everyone knew her. Someone on this line > will know the answer to that. > > Till later, Claudia > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > Do the Manx LOONEY/LLEWNIEs connect to the Irish LOONEY/O'LOONEYs? > Did the name originate in County Cork in 148 AD with the marriage of > Con of a Hundred Battles (High King of Ireland in 158 AD) to the > daughter of Olollar Ollium, King of Munster? Does it have TWO origins? >

Hello All, Does anyone have James Andrew Looney (Luney) b. 1852, Roanoke Co., VA son of William E. Looney (Luney) and Nancy H.? Siblings of James Andrew were: Sally Looney (married a Murray) John Ote (Oak) Looney Robert Looney Children of James Andrew Looney: Thomas D. Looney 1871-1907 James William Looney b. Oct 12, 1873; d. aft 1916 Nannie C. Looney 1875-1875 John Oak Looney 1877-after 1916 George Oscar Looney b. 1880 in Salem, VA - d. after 1916 Sarah Josie Looney b. May 26, 1882 in Salem, VA - d. 1965 Charles Robert Looney b. Oct 23, 1884 Henry Brady Looney b. March 12, 1886 Louis David Looney b. March 26, 1888 Benjamin Frank Looney b. March 10, 1891 Ernest H. Looney b. May 24, 1894 Thanks, Donna Howell

To Laurie Schultz, My sister in law, who used to live in Warren PA., told me of a Ms. Looney who was in the nursing home there & she (sister in law) didn't think Ms. Looney had any living relatives. Do you think that Ms. Looney was of some relation to your family? Dianne

Well since line sharing is going on, I will post mine since I haven't in a long time. I am from John Looney who was married to Maragaret Kelvie that lived in Maughauld IOM in the early 1700's. Their son Patrick begat Simeon Sr who begat Simeon Junior who begat John C. Looney who begat my GGrandmother Rachel Malissa Looney. Simeon Sr emmigrated to the United States with his wife Jane Kneale Looney and their family through Philadelphia in about 1825. They came to Venango County PA by the early 1840's . They were prominant citizens in the town of Sunville. Don't know how we fit in with the Virginia (Robert Looney's) but saw someplace that Robert may have been connected with Ballagilley on the IOM and know that my line is so maybe some more branches here if the trunk can be found. Laurie Schultz ttctr@bellsouth.net

Bob, Sorry I can't say how Ben Looney fits into our James W. line or if he does. Anthony Looney may know since he has worked so closely with this line. Let me know what you find out. Claudia

Sad to say, Elizabeth never published her research - always helping any of us who were frantically trying to find at least one clue. She was also constantly adding information we all brought forward. Old age, failing health, failing eye sight, strokes, upsurge of newer information on the Internet to connect with the old material - all took its toll on her ability to do more than help those of us who were struggling with the older information. Despite the availability of the Internet, there probably are still valuable unconnected clues hiding in her papers. Only recently I have found several clues in some of the old material that have meaning now that didn't when I started. I was thinking only yesterday that I wish some kind soul, with lots of time and energy, would pull together the information she so lovingly collected all through the years and publish in her honor. Any takers? Every genealogy line should have such a dedicated "gatherer" of the information. Nita *********************** Claudia wrote: I doubt if Elizabeth Looney ever published her research. She was very interested in helping others and in tying all the lines together. This line was abuzz when she was dying because everyone knew her. Someone on this line will know the answer to that. Till later, Claudia ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== Do the Manx LOONEY/LLEWNIEs connect to the Irish LOONEY/O'LOONEYs? Did the name originate in County Cork in 148 AD with the marriage of Con of a Hundred Battles (High King of Ireland in 158 AD) to the daughter of Olollar Ollium, King of Munster? Does it have TWO origins?

Bob, I don't know who Will and Sue were. Wish I did, but I have always assumed (which we shouldn't do) that they were siblings of F.B. Yes, I did know an Ellen Looney very well. If it is the same one, she was married to Ben Looney, and I don't know where he fits in, but he was a cousin of my dad's and not a 1st cousin. They lived in Walters, Okla, until Ben died with cancer, and then Ellen moved to Lawton. Do you know when she visited your mother? My brother and I were kids when we went to Walters to visit Ellen and Ben, and she probably would have visited Texas or any relatives after Ben died. She lived in Lawton until she died (I'm not sure when) but she was still living in 1962 when I moved to Alabama. I doubt if Elizabeth Looney ever published her research. She was very interested in helping others and in tying all the lines together. This line was abuzz when she was dying because everyone knew her. Someone on this line will know the answer to that. Till later, Claudia

OK, Claudia, thanks for your help. Can you say how Ben fits in to our Looney line? That is, how he was related to our James W. Looney or to your Walter or to my Edward H. This is not the same Ben Looney who worked as a Judge in several of the north Texas counties is it? I'll check with my sister to see if she thinks this might have been the same Ellen. I have the feeling she probably visited some time in the late 40's - early 50's. Well, thanks again, Claudia and take care -- Bob DClaudiaL@aol.com wrote: Bob, I don't know who Will and Sue were. Wish I did, but I have always assumed (which we shouldn't do) that they were siblings of F.B. Yes, I did know an Ellen Looney very well. If it is the same one, she was married to Ben Looney, and I don't know where he fits in, but he was a cousin of my dad's and not a 1st cousin. They lived in Walters, Okla, until Ben died with cancer, and then Ellen moved to Lawton. Do you know when she visited your mother? My brother and I were kids when we went to Walters to visit Ellen and Ben, and she probably would have visited Texas or any relatives after Ben died. She lived in Lawton until she died (I'm not sure when) but she was still living in 1962 when I moved to Alabama. I doubt if Elizabeth Looney ever published her research. She was very interested in helping others and in tying all the lines together. This line was abuzz when she was dying because everyone knew her. Someone on this line will know the answer to that. Till later, Claudia ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== Do the Manx LOONEY/LLEWNIEs connect to the Irish LOONEY/O'LOONEYs? Did the name originate in County Cork in 148 AD with the marriage of Con of a Hundred Battles (High King of Ireland in 158 AD) to the daughter of Olollar Ollium, King of Munster? Does it have TWO origins?

Hello! I haven't shared my LOONEY interest for quite sometime. I have John LOONEY and Mary FITZGERALD with daughter, Catherine all born in Ireland. In 1853, another daughter, Mary A. LOONEY is born in Vermont. Mary A. married Oscar Eugene PRATT 23Nov1878 in Rockingham, Vt. and this is my line. Thanks, Marie "Life isn't measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away"

Carl, Thank you for a detailed explanation of the DNA process. Bill is in the Looney line but there is a question as to where he ties in late 1700s. After reflecting on your analysis, my brain kicked in and the Harbison line in his case would not work to rule out the Harbisons since his line drops from the female and as you noted, it eventually does in the Looney line, also. Therefore; it wasn't going to help with the Looney line, either, as you pointed out. Good idea, just won't work as I hoped. Will have to keep searching the records. Need more science or better grip on the records. There is an elderly Looney gentleman that connects with Bill's in early 1800 AR that could do the DNA on the Looney side but we know the line from there anyway, and as you say, it probably would not differentiate between Luna/Looney, so no advantage to testing from his DNA. There may be some out there that are contemplating DNA to clarify their line and your excellent explanation should help those interested decide whether DNA analysis would benefit them in their search. Thanks again. Nita In a message dated 8/15/2004 5:16:17 PM Central Daylight Time, cholder@wk.net writes: I am not sure I completely followed the testing scenario proposed in this post, but I would caution you to review the general discussion of the value of DNA testing at familytree.com or other similar sites. I participate in the Holder-DNA Project, and there are a couple of major parameters to keep in mind. (1) the primary instrument used is an analysis of the Y-Chromosome, present in males only and passed from father to son. The reason is because the Y-Chrom can be traced concurrent with the family surname (with an occassional deviation). This would of course limit testing to LOONEY men with actual Looney lineage only. For instance, I have a double Looney line, but alas, it comes through with father's maternal line, so though I have plenty of Looney genes, I have no Looney Y-Chromosome DNA. (2) the test results do not really aid in sorting out generations within the same lineage. An example being-I matched two fifth cousins on 25 of 25 markers. I could reasonably expect the same results from my son or with a cousin 10 times removed. Thus, Y Chrom DNA testing would not help separate, say, Lunas from Looneys, (in all probabilty). These concerns aside DNA testing has proved very beneficial to Holder genealogists-settling some old arguments, and creating some new ones!! Carl Holder ------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: <N5BRY@aol.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [LOONEY-L] Re: Harbison DNA search > I notice several family lines are participating in DNA research to find if > they are from the family line they think they are and successfully ruling in > or out of the lineage they have been pursuing perhaps in vain. > > Are any of you from the Looney/Harbison KY lines interested in doing this? > > Reason for asking: Husband Bill is supposed to be from the Jonathan and > Jane Harbison Looney line. > > I have maintained for a long time that there is not one shred of evidence > that this couple had any children that lived to adulthood but would like to be > proven wrong. The only child noted in a census with them (Lincoln Co., TN, > 1820) was Jane's nephew, Thomas Harbison Shaw who apparently moved with them > from KY. His mother came too but the son chose to live with the aunt and > uncle due to a family dispute. > > None of the Looneys that migrated to Lincoln Co., TN, are connected to this > couple. Those Looneys are from other lines. > > I know that is seems that the Joseph Looney attributed to this couple seems > to have dropped out of a space ship into AR but with the DNA from those that > are hoping this is the correct line from the Harbison line, might be able to > either rule in or out the Jane Harbison Looney line by comparing with others > from Jane's KY Harbison line. Do not want to mix with the NC line. Some of > them may have arrived too late to be closely connected to the VA and KY > lines. The Augusta, VA, line may be the same as the KY, possibly Wm and Jane's > father were brothers. > > I have been corresponding with a number of Harbisons for about 2 years and > there seems to be 3 Harbison lines needing to be separated or connected. > > Some of the Harbisons are now involved in a DNA ancestral search. > > Anyone from this AR Joseph Looney line interested in participating in this > DNA search can let me know and I will put you in touch with the Harbison DNA > search site for further information. I haven't checked out the sites myself > but my Harbison contact has. > > If we find that someone from Jane Harbison's father's line is participating, > Bill is interested in pursuing the quest. Of course, this only available > through the male ancestral population. > > Nita > >

I am not sure I completely followed the testing scenario proposed in this post, but I would caution you to review the general discussion of the value of DNA testing at familytree.com or other similar sites. I participate in the Holder-DNA Project, and there are a couple of major parameters to keep in mind. (1) the primary instrument used is an analysis of the Y-Chromosome, present in males only and passed from father to son. The reason is because the Y-Chrom can be traced concurrent with the family surname (with an occassional deviation). This would of course limit testing to LOONEY men with actual Looney lineage only. For instance, I have a double Looney line, but alas, it comes through with father's maternal line, so though I have plenty of Looney genes, I have no Looney Y-Chromosome DNA. (2) the test results do not really aid in sorting out generations within the same lineage. An example being-I matched two fifth cousins on 25 of 25 markers. I could reasonably expect the same results from my son or with a cousin 10 times removed. Thus, Y Chrom DNA testing would not help separate, say, Lunas from Looneys, (in all probabilty). These concerns aside DNA testing has proved very beneficial to Holder genealogists-settling some old arguments, and creating some new ones!! Carl Holder ------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: <N5BRY@aol.com> To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [LOONEY-L] Re: Harbison DNA search > I notice several family lines are participating in DNA research to find if > they are from the family line they think they are and successfully ruling in > or out of the lineage they have been pursuing perhaps in vain. > > Are any of you from the Looney/Harbison KY lines interested in doing this? > > Reason for asking: Husband Bill is supposed to be from the Jonathan and > Jane Harbison Looney line. > > I have maintained for a long time that there is not one shred of evidence > that this couple had any children that lived to adulthood but would like to be > proven wrong. The only child noted in a census with them (Lincoln Co., TN, > 1820) was Jane's nephew, Thomas Harbison Shaw who apparently moved with them > from KY. His mother came too but the son chose to live with the aunt and > uncle due to a family dispute. > > None of the Looneys that migrated to Lincoln Co., TN, are connected to this > couple. Those Looneys are from other lines. > > I know that is seems that the Joseph Looney attributed to this couple seems > to have dropped out of a space ship into AR but with the DNA from those that > are hoping this is the correct line from the Harbison line, might be able to > either rule in or out the Jane Harbison Looney line by comparing with others > from Jane's KY Harbison line. Do not want to mix with the NC line. Some of > them may have arrived too late to be closely connected to the VA and KY > lines. The Augusta, VA, line may be the same as the KY, possibly Wm and Jane's > father were brothers. > > I have been corresponding with a number of Harbisons for about 2 years and > there seems to be 3 Harbison lines needing to be separated or connected. > > Some of the Harbisons are now involved in a DNA ancestral search. > > Anyone from this AR Joseph Looney line interested in participating in this > DNA search can let me know and I will put you in touch with the Harbison DNA > search site for further information. I haven't checked out the sites myself > but my Harbison contact has. > > If we find that someone from Jane Harbison's father's line is participating, > Bill is interested in pursuing the quest. Of course, this only available > through the male ancestral population. > > Nita > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to looney-L-REQUEST@RootsWeb.Com > with the command UNSUBSCRIBE as the only line in the message's body. > If you're in digest, send it to looney-D-REQUEST@RootsWeb.Com > >

I notice several family lines are participating in DNA research to find if they are from the family line they think they are and successfully ruling in or out of the lineage they have been pursuing perhaps in vain. Are any of you from the Looney/Harbison KY lines interested in doing this? Reason for asking: Husband Bill is supposed to be from the Jonathan and Jane Harbison Looney line. I have maintained for a long time that there is not one shred of evidence that this couple had any children that lived to adulthood but would like to be proven wrong. The only child noted in a census with them (Lincoln Co., TN, 1820) was Jane's nephew, Thomas Harbison Shaw who apparently moved with them from KY. His mother came too but the son chose to live with the aunt and uncle due to a family dispute. None of the Looneys that migrated to Lincoln Co., TN, are connected to this couple. Those Looneys are from other lines. I know that is seems that the Joseph Looney attributed to this couple seems to have dropped out of a space ship into AR but with the DNA from those that are hoping this is the correct line from the Harbison line, might be able to either rule in or out the Jane Harbison Looney line by comparing with others from Jane's KY Harbison line. Do not want to mix with the NC line. Some of them may have arrived too late to be closely connected to the VA and KY lines. The Augusta, VA, line may be the same as the KY, possibly Wm and Jane's father were brothers. I have been corresponding with a number of Harbisons for about 2 years and there seems to be 3 Harbison lines needing to be separated or connected. Some of the Harbisons are now involved in a DNA ancestral search. Anyone from this AR Joseph Looney line interested in participating in this DNA search can let me know and I will put you in touch with the Harbison DNA search site for further information. I haven't checked out the sites myself but my Harbison contact has. If we find that someone from Jane Harbison's father's line is participating, Bill is interested in pursuing the quest. Of course, this only available through the male ancestral population. Nita

I truly enjoyed reading about your father and thank you for sending it in. Gayle ~~~~ Hello, All, It has been about a month and no one has identified another member of Robert (1) 's sixth generation still living. I am fairly certain that my dad holds that distinction and is, therefore the nearest living relative to Robert (1) (generationally). Dad is celebrating his eightieth birthday next week and I thought some of you on the list might want to wish him a happy birthday. His email address is petelooney@msn.com and his snail mail address is 2340 Harwood Rd. Titusville, FL 32780. I hope I'm not too long winded but I have included a very short biography of Dad below.

Thank you for sharing this wonderful sketch of your father's life. I hope you have let him read it. Amelia Orr Debusman (9th generation) At 11:54 AM 8/14/04, you wrote: >Hello, All, >It has been about a month and no one has identified another member of Robert >(1) 's sixth generation still living. I am fairly certain that my dad holds >that distinction and is, therefore the nearest living relative to Robert (1) >(generationally). Dad is celebrating his eightieth birthday next week and I >thought some of you on the list might want to wish him a happy birthday. His >email address is petelooney@msn.com and his snail mail address is 2340 >Harwood Rd. Titusville, FL 32780. I hope I'm not too long winded but I have >included a very short biography of Dad below. > >My Dad, Joseph H. "Pete" (6) Looney was born August 19, 1924 in a small >southwest Kansas town named Protection. Protection exists mainly to support >the local wheat and cattle farmers and like many of the small towns in the >area has a wide paved main street lined with enormous live oaks. > >Growing up during the Depression was, I think, much harder on the grown ups >than the kids who didn't yet know prosperity to measure how much was in >short supply. For the kids fun was never in short supply. Depending what was >in season, baseball, football, or basketball games were daily events. The >equipment may have been well used but the play was fun. Dad also loved to >hunt and fish - collecting the bounty on jackrabbits, which overpopulated >the region, was a way to pay for more .22 cartridges with which to hunt. If >the little single shot rifle wasn't available or out of ammo Dad was just as >deadly with a slingshot at shorter ranges. > >In his teens Dad worked the wheat harvest and became very close to some of >the local farmers. In high school he was active in all sports and, although >he fancied himself a top-flight baseball pitcher his six foot three inch >height probably worked best on the basketball court. Although never in >trouble with the authority figures in his life he was not above pranks such >as locking a cow in the principal's office over a weekend (even today he >will neither confirm nor deny). > >By now WWII had begun and Dad, with his father's permission, enlisted in the >Marine Corps at age seventeen after high school graduation. It was while in >the Marines that he met and married my Mom, the former Mary Jo Burnett of >Mayfield, KY (their 60th anniversary is next year, 2005). > >After the war, with college behind him Dad taught math and coached >basketball for a while in small towns in Missouri and Kentucky. Finally >settling in Mayfield, KY in the early '50s to raise a growing family. He >worked for many years for Union Carbide Corp. but in the early '60s started >work for Boeing in the early startup of the Saturn / Apollo space program. >This work led him from Huntsville, AL to the Mississippi Gulf coast where >the giant Saturn rocket engines were initially tested to finally settle in >Titusville, FL in 1968. In charge of much of the pre / post-launch support >activities for the Apollo program his crews "wrote the book" on many of the >operations still in use today. Continuing into the Shuttle program for the >first few launches Dad finally retired in the late '80s. > >A true Renaissance man I've never seen anything Dad couldn't do. An >outstanding auto mechanic, motorcycle mechanic, home repairman, hunter, >fisherman, jigsaw worker, skeet shooter, stained glass worker, woodcarver, >sports nut, husband, and dad - what I would give to have half the knowledge >and talent. In his day Dad was what was called a "man's man" and although I >didn't think about at the time my boyhood screen hero, John Wayne, was >playing roles my father could easily have filled. > >It was only in the last few years that Dad got interested in family history. >This sparked visits to Virginia and West Virginia to trace the family and >actually walk the ground they walked. Visits with Miss Elizabeth Looney and >the wonderful book by cousin Madge Looney Crane and son Phillip helped fill >in many of the early gaps. Because many of the men in our line had sons late >in their lives Dad is, I believe, the last sixth generation member from the >original Robert (1) and therefore the nearest living relative to Robert (1), >a unique distinction. > >Pete? Where did Pete come from? Dad was named for a close friend of his >father, Joseph Hubert Cogswell but was never called Joe or Joseph (although >his mom always called him Hubert). His father Peter H. (5) was known as Pete >or PH and I suspect when Dad came along he started life as "Repeat" and, >eventually, "Pete". Dad has four children, thirteen grandchildren and one >great grandchild. It was not until his second grandchild, my oldest, that >the first official Pete Looney came along. > > > > > > > > > >==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== >See our HomePages at > http://Members.AOL.Com/jsully7 (Descendants of Robert Lunney) or > http://www.Flash.Net/~johnsonl (Includes Leroy W. Tilton's work) or > http://Welcome.to/TheLooneyFamily (Elsie Stroud's Works) or > http://www.mindspring.com/~mozark (William(4) and NE AR & SE MO Looneys)

Hello, All, It has been about a month and no one has identified another member of Robert (1) 's sixth generation still living. I am fairly certain that my dad holds that distinction and is, therefore the nearest living relative to Robert (1) (generationally). Dad is celebrating his eightieth birthday next week and I thought some of you on the list might want to wish him a happy birthday. His email address is petelooney@msn.com and his snail mail address is 2340 Harwood Rd. Titusville, FL 32780. I hope I'm not too long winded but I have included a very short biography of Dad below. My Dad, Joseph H. "Pete" (6) Looney was born August 19, 1924 in a small southwest Kansas town named Protection. Protection exists mainly to support the local wheat and cattle farmers and like many of the small towns in the area has a wide paved main street lined with enormous live oaks. Growing up during the Depression was, I think, much harder on the grown ups than the kids who didn't yet know prosperity to measure how much was in short supply. For the kids fun was never in short supply. Depending what was in season, baseball, football, or basketball games were daily events. The equipment may have been well used but the play was fun. Dad also loved to hunt and fish - collecting the bounty on jackrabbits, which overpopulated the region, was a way to pay for more .22 cartridges with which to hunt. If the little single shot rifle wasn't available or out of ammo Dad was just as deadly with a slingshot at shorter ranges. In his teens Dad worked the wheat harvest and became very close to some of the local farmers. In high school he was active in all sports and, although he fancied himself a top-flight baseball pitcher his six foot three inch height probably worked best on the basketball court. Although never in trouble with the authority figures in his life he was not above pranks such as locking a cow in the principal's office over a weekend (even today he will neither confirm nor deny). By now WWII had begun and Dad, with his father's permission, enlisted in the Marine Corps at age seventeen after high school graduation. It was while in the Marines that he met and married my Mom, the former Mary Jo Burnett of Mayfield, KY (their 60th anniversary is next year, 2005). After the war, with college behind him Dad taught math and coached basketball for a while in small towns in Missouri and Kentucky. Finally settling in Mayfield, KY in the early '50s to raise a growing family. He worked for many years for Union Carbide Corp. but in the early '60s started work for Boeing in the early startup of the Saturn / Apollo space program. This work led him from Huntsville, AL to the Mississippi Gulf coast where the giant Saturn rocket engines were initially tested to finally settle in Titusville, FL in 1968. In charge of much of the pre / post-launch support activities for the Apollo program his crews "wrote the book" on many of the operations still in use today. Continuing into the Shuttle program for the first few launches Dad finally retired in the late '80s. A true Renaissance man I've never seen anything Dad couldn't do. An outstanding auto mechanic, motorcycle mechanic, home repairman, hunter, fisherman, jigsaw worker, skeet shooter, stained glass worker, woodcarver, sports nut, husband, and dad - what I would give to have half the knowledge and talent. In his day Dad was what was called a "man's man" and although I didn't think about at the time my boyhood screen hero, John Wayne, was playing roles my father could easily have filled. It was only in the last few years that Dad got interested in family history. This sparked visits to Virginia and West Virginia to trace the family and actually walk the ground they walked. Visits with Miss Elizabeth Looney and the wonderful book by cousin Madge Looney Crane and son Phillip helped fill in many of the early gaps. Because many of the men in our line had sons late in their lives Dad is, I believe, the last sixth generation member from the original Robert (1) and therefore the nearest living relative to Robert (1), a unique distinction. Pete? Where did Pete come from? Dad was named for a close friend of his father, Joseph Hubert Cogswell but was never called Joe or Joseph (although his mom always called him Hubert). His father Peter H. (5) was known as Pete or PH and I suspect when Dad came along he started life as "Repeat" and, eventually, "Pete". Dad has four children, thirteen grandchildren and one great grandchild. It was not until his second grandchild, my oldest, that the first official Pete Looney came along.

Bob, I feel sure the Eli in the 1800 census is your grandfather. The Walter D. would have been my grandfather since he was born in l872 (8 years old in 1800). The Will and Sue I also remember and had just assumed they were neice or nephew to FB since I knew he had had no children. Guess they were siblings which also makes sense. Now that I think of it, Walter would have been living there because his father and mother (Jesse Looney and Idelia (?) Scarborough Looney--can't find the records right now) divorced. Walter stayed with his daddy, and a sister of his went with his mom. So Walter ended up living with Doc and Annie who raised him. Interesting--in just now looking through my stuff which badly needs organizing I found a letter from Elizabeth Looney pointing out that Eli and Fanny did not have the same parents as Will or Sue since the mothers' birthplaces were not the same. So that is one more mystery solved. (Elizabeth took over Tilton's work, I believe, and worked on the Looneys for many years before she died about a year ago. So good to hear from you. Maybe I'll get inspired to work more on this line. The Looneys were suce interesting people, and I have really enjoyed learning more about them through this Looney-Line. Stay in touch. Claudia

Hi Claudia and other Looney Researchers -- Yes, I'm pretty well convinced that "Eli" was my grandfather, although where they got "Eli" from Edward I'm still trying to reconcile in my mind. One more thing that I remember my mother saying about that household was that there were two other siblings living there that were unmarried. I think they were the ones who he called "Bud Will" and "Sis Sue". They were in their 30's in that 1880 census. Is Elizabeth's work available on the internet anywhere? My sister tells me that when we were kids an Ellen Looney came to our house to visit with our mother. I don't remember that occasion, but she says that Ellen was from Oklahoma. I think that was the only time she ever visited or communicated. Do you know of an Ellen Looney who lived in Oklahoma? I re-read the letter that my grandfather wrote to my uncle Howard and in it he mentions the fact that his mother, Mary Rushing, was a teacher in the little town of Tidwell Prairie, in Robertson County, I think. Any way, one of her pupils at that time was a Tom Connally, who became a state senator, or a US senator, I'm not sure which without researching his name. Do any of you researchers know the name? Well, I've got to go now so everybody take care Bob DClaudiaL@aol.com wrote: Bob, I feel sure the Eli in the 1800 census is your grandfather. The Walter D. would have been my grandfather since he was born in l872 (8 years old in 1800). The Will and Sue I also remember and had just assumed they were neice or nephew to FB since I knew he had had no children. Guess they were siblings which also makes sense. Now that I think of it, Walter would have been living there because his father and mother (Jesse Looney and Idelia (?) Scarborough Looney--can't find the records right now) divorced. Walter stayed with his daddy, and a sister of his went with his mom. So Walter ended up living with Doc and Annie who raised him. Interesting--in just now looking through my stuff which badly needs organizing I found a letter from Elizabeth Looney pointing out that Eli and Fanny did not have the same parents as Will or Sue since the mothers' birthplaces were not the same. So that is one more mystery solved. (Elizabeth took over Tilton's work, I believe, and worked on the Looneys for many years before she died about a year ago. So good to hear from you. Maybe I'll get inspired to work more on this line. The Looneys were suce interesting people, and I have really enjoyed learning more about them through this Looney-Line. Stay in touch. Claudia ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== Do the Manx LOONEY/LLEWNIEs connect to the Irish LOONEY/O'LOONEYs? Did the name originate in County Cork in 148 AD with the marriage of Con of a Hundred Battles (High King of Ireland in 158 AD) to the daughter of Olollar Ollium, King of Munster? Does it have TWO origins?

This is in reply to info about the names of the High Kings of Ireland. I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for, but I also found a reference to a king dating back to 198 B. C. His name was Lughaidh Luaighne. There maybe two origins, not sure about that.There are (as I'm sure you know) several variated spellings of Looney. This king's last name seems like it would have been pronounced as "Looney." Let us know what you find. Brenda

Hi Claudia -- I had a nice long message written out to send you about my Grandfather Edward Hardin Looney, but my lights flickered just as I was about to end it and I lost everything. Well here goes again. It was especially interesting to get your message since you mentioned "Doc and Annie". My grandfather (we called him "Indaddy" Looney) used to mention "Bud Doc" and "Sis Annie". My mother used to say that there were two other half-siblings in F. B.'s house who he called "Bud Will" and "Sis Sue". I don't remember anyone mentioning Walter. But I do have a copy of the 1880 census page that shows Walter D., age 8, F.B.'s nephew living in the house along with little Eli and Fanny. Ever since I got this copy of the census page I have wondered why they called him "Eli". But I am more than 99% sure that this "Eli" is my grandfather. Any thoughts about it? My grandfather grew up to become a railroad engineer on the Trinity and Brazos Valley Route which became a part of the Great Burlington Route. His son, my uncle, Howard T. Looney also became a railroad engineer out of El Paso, TX. It's always a great feeling to rediscover cousins. Take care and keep in touch. Bob --- DClaudiaL@aol.com wrote: > This is especially to Bob Riddle: (also Larry > Johnson --and Anthony Looney > whom I have corresponded with in the past) > > Bob, I knew it would happen some day if I > stayed on this line long > enough. James William Looney was my Great Great > grandfather. His youngest son > with Fanny Smith Looney was Jesse who was father to > my grandfather Walter > David Looney. My father was William Marshall > Looney, born to Walter David and > Mary Marshall Looney on September 27, 1899, in > Oakwood, Leon Co., Texas. In fact > my dad was born in F. B. Looney's house where his > mother and daddy were > living. > Many in this line had second marriages due to > death of the wife or > sometimes divorce. My dad grew up in southwestern > Oklahoma around Duke. I was > born in Oklahoma City but we moved to Lawton, > Oklahoma, when I was 3 months old > where I lived until I married. I now live in > Huntsville, Alabama, and have > piddled with genealogy since 1980 after my father > died. Elizabeth Looney > corresponded with my dad and my grandmother as well > as me. > Unfortunately I have not done any extensive > work on this line to fill > in any missing spaces, but Anthony has quite a lot > on this particular line > that gives us many clues on James William that we > might not have. His ancestor > was brother to James William I believe. And by the > way Frederick B was > definitely on the Confederate side and was at Shiloh > according to Anthony. You will > love hearing from him. > I have the census records that show Eli and > Fanny living with F.B. and > his wife, "Doc and Annie" as they were called, and I > have always wondered who > they were. Now I know. > Please keep in touch. And for LARRY AND > ANTHONY please send me copies > of whatever you send Bob Riddle. I'm proud of my > Texas roots. > > Till later, > \ > Claudia Davis > Huntsville, Alabama > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > This list is dedicated to the search for ancestors > of LOONEY, LUNNEY, > LUNA (Scotch-Irish), LEENEY and variations, all of > which originated in > County Cork, Ireland. Please refer other > researchers to our list. > >

This is especially to Bob Riddle: (also Larry Johnson --and Anthony Looney whom I have corresponded with in the past) Bob, I knew it would happen some day if I stayed on this line long enough. James William Looney was my Great Great grandfather. His youngest son with Fanny Smith Looney was Jesse who was father to my grandfather Walter David Looney. My father was William Marshall Looney, born to Walter David and Mary Marshall Looney on September 27, 1899, in Oakwood, Leon Co., Texas. In fact my dad was born in F. B. Looney's house where his mother and daddy were living. Many in this line had second marriages due to death of the wife or sometimes divorce. My dad grew up in southwestern Oklahoma around Duke. I was born in Oklahoma City but we moved to Lawton, Oklahoma, when I was 3 months old where I lived until I married. I now live in Huntsville, Alabama, and have piddled with genealogy since 1980 after my father died. Elizabeth Looney corresponded with my dad and my grandmother as well as me. Unfortunately I have not done any extensive work on this line to fill in any missing spaces, but Anthony has quite a lot on this particular line that gives us many clues on James William that we might not have. His ancestor was brother to James William I believe. And by the way Frederick B was definitely on the Confederate side and was at Shiloh according to Anthony. You will love hearing from him. I have the census records that show Eli and Fanny living with F.B. and his wife, "Doc and Annie" as they were called, and I have always wondered who they were. Now I know. Please keep in touch. And for LARRY AND ANTHONY please send me copies of whatever you send Bob Riddle. I'm proud of my Texas roots. Till later, \ Claudia Davis Huntsville, Alabama