Jim Wrote: I am unfamiliar with Master Genealogist, but MUCH prefer PAF (from Church of Latter Day Saints) over Family Tree Maker (FTM). PAF does not have many of the weaknesses that Teresa pointed out in her mail below about FTM, plus it is a free download from their website. As others have pointed out, each program has strengths and weaknesses, so there will be positives and negatives with each one. The main thing I dislike about FTM is the difficulty (described below) is the difficulty in merging data from FTM in an easy way to other programs because of the (IMHO) insufficient tags in FTM. ************************************************************************** Because I am an incurably curious person, I went and downloaded PAF5. I had not used this version and it is greatly improved from the previous versions. I would recommend it, even for beginners. I went through the lessons and it was very easy to use. It has many more tags than previous versions and more than FTM. But The Master Genealogist has many more tags to allow better separation and retrieval of data. And TMG is MUCH more difficult to use and requires real dedication to learn. However, I find the results well worth the effort. I can retrieve any data I have entered almost immediately and in great detail with all sources, etc. [Of course, this is assuming that I entered it in the first place. I still have some information I found in early research that I did not document well and have no idea which book and library it came from. I learned the hard way: always write sources on EVERY page of your data.] PAF5's price is right--free! I recommend you try it and see if it meets your needs. If not, try TMG. Teresa

I have used several programs over the years, including Family Tree Maker, Family Origins, Roots Magic and PAF. I rate them as most useful in this order: 1. Best is PAF5; 2. Roots Magic is second best; 3. Family Origins is third; and the poorest for general use is Family Tree Maker, including their latest version. The LDS people have so many more years of doing genealogical research and recording of the information might be the reason it is so good. As with all software, each must be learned before you can really know how to use each to it's best advantage. Bottom line is that all are reasonably good at doing their job, but, I keep going back to PAF5 as it is so easy to use and has so many, many features. Lloyd Waldrep wallytwo@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: <JDCMGMAL@aol.com> > To: <LOONEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/26/2005 8:26:33 PM > Subject: This Looney - Cooper is back!!! > > For new folks on this listserve, I am of the John Cooper/Sophia Looney line. > They moved from St. Clair, Co., Alabama to Coosa County, Alabama. > > More information if you request it. > > I am seeking advice as to the best software to purchase for research/filing > purposes. If you have any experience with one or more of them, please let me > know. This is going to be my Christmas gift to myself this year! > J Danny Cooper > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > Mailing List Archives may be found at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > (Enter "looney" as the list to be searched - no quotes). > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Danny, I am unfamiliar with Master Genealogist, but MUCH prefer PAF (from Church of Latter Day Saints) over Family Tree Maker (FTM). PAF does not have many of the weaknesses that Teresa pointed out in her mail below about FTM, plus it is a free download from their website. As others have pointed out, each program has strengths and weaknesses, so there will be positives and negatives with each one. The main thing I dislike about FTM is the difficulty (described below) is the difficulty in merging data from FTM in an easy way to other programs because of the (IMHO) insufficient tags in FTM. Any of these software programs will do your work, but you definitely need to be able to export and import simple GEDCOMS, which PAF does quite easily. BTW, you and are both descended from the same Cooper AND Looney lines. I am descended from Sophie's brother John "Jack" Looney III who married John B. Cooper's younger sister Lucinderella "Cinderella" Cooper. Thus we are "double cousins" at some level of removal. All the best, Jim Cain, Houston, Texas In a message dated 11/26/2005 10:28:49 PM Central Standard Time, SoheyrAzar@cox.net writes: Hi Danny: You wrote: >I am seeking advice as to the best software to purchase for research/filing >purposes. If you have any experience with one or more of them, please let >me know. This is going to be my Christmas gift to myself this year! >J Danny Cooper I recommend the Master Genealogist, although it is not easy to learn. It is not for beginners, IMHO. It is MUCH more complicated than the other 5 or 6 programs I have tried over the years. For an easy to use program, I like Family Tree Maker best, but it is hard find specific data in it. TMG takes a lot more time to enter data, but it allows you to see what you have and tie it together more comprehensively. Each bit of data is entered as a "tag." There is a "tag" for birth, marriage, death, and all the usual, but there are many more unique tags, for example, for census or land grants. And you can also create your own unique tags. Tags can be linked to other people. For instance, if you are entering census data, you can put the head (and wife, if one) as the two primaries, then you can enter all the children as "witnesses." Any unknowns listed, such as "Susie Smith, Housekeeper" can also be entered into the system and linked to that census, even if you don't know who she is. Witnesses can be added to any event, even though you don't know who it is. Or if you do know --that he is the preacher. Thus if the same preacher married 5 children in the family and baptized them as well, you could link him to all of them, even though he is not part of the "family." Pictures and other exhibits can also be entered on the tag, such as a scan of the original census record. Your transcription of that record can be entered in the notes section of the tag, as well as other data. Sources can be meticulously documented, including the "depository" (such as the Sacramento Public Library) where it was found, notes that it was sent to you by your cousin Grace, website, etc. Date, place, map coordinates, and other info also have locations on each tag, so all the data can be put in chronological order. You can make many complicated or simple reports and charts, get it to write your "books" for you (if you entered your data in the correct format), make charts, tie into specific timelines, create "flags" for specific purposes--such as noting all the redheads or all of the preachers, and much more. But as I said above, it takes a lot of time and effort to enter everything into the program. If you are entering a census, you have to create the tag and link it to all known people involved. But then it shows up on each of their records. You can transfer data from other programs, but it will take a long time to get it the way you want it. GEDCOMs might be better. I transferred one giant data base on one branch of my family from Family Tree Maker. It took me a full day just to get the PLACE names compatible between the two programs. It has worked very well entering fresh data on new families. In the giant family database, I am still finding tags I have to expand from the FTM "notes" three years later (if there was no specific FTM field to correspond to a TMG field, it put the data all in a "note" tag). So the data is not lost in the transfer; it just has to be separated out into the appropriate tags. All of this may be more than you wanted to know. For more information, go to the Wholly Genes website. There is also at least one users mailing list. Good luck, Teresa McVeigh Katrina refugee, now in Baton Rouge =========== In a message dated 11/26/2005 8:26:53 PM Central Standard Time, JDCMGMAL@AOL.Com writes: For new folks on this listserve, I am of the John Cooper/Sophia Looney line. They moved from St. Clair, Co., Alabama to Coosa County, Alabama. More information if you request it. I am seeking advice as to the best software to purchase for research/filing purposes. If you have any experience with one or more of them, please let me know. This is going to be my Christmas gift to myself this year! J Danny Cooper

Hey J Danny; glad you are back. There are a lot of good ones and everyone has their favorite. One is Family Tree Maker [FTM]. It is easy to use and move thru. They did some changes a last year and I have to admit I am not happy with what I have seen but am still using it. Roots Magic is also good. I like the print out that you can get plus you can print out blank forms. You can't do that with FTM. Another one is Legacy. Again not bad and you can do a free download. I would suggest that you go to cyndislist.com and got to software and do some free down loads and see which one you like. Most of them have it. Also get a book no matter which one you get. It will be invaluable to you as you are learning your program. For a free full service download there is PAF. One problem I found with it was that to put in a second marriage there had to be an end to the first one. I suggest that you try the free downloads, find the one you like working with and if it doesn't have the print outs you like then down the road get another one and use that for your print outs. That is what I am going to be doing. Good luck, Linda Aubrey

Hi Danny: You wrote: >I am seeking advice as to the best software to purchase for research/filing >purposes. If you have any experience with one or more of them, please let >me know. This is going to be my Christmas gift to myself this year! >J Danny Cooper I recommend the Master Genealogist, although it is not easy to learn. It is not for beginners, IMHO. It is MUCH more complicated than the other 5 or 6 programs I have tried over the years. For an easy to use program, I like Family Tree Maker best, but it is hard find specific data in it. TMG takes a lot more time to enter data, but it allows you to see what you have and tie it together more comprehensively. Each bit of data is entered as a "tag." There is a "tag" for birth, marriage, death, and all the usual, but there are many more unique tags, for example, for census or land grants. And you can also create your own unique tags. Tags can be linked to other people. For instance, if you are entering census data, you can put the head (and wife, if one) as the two primaries, then you can enter all the children as "witnesses." Any unknowns listed, such as "Susie Smith, Housekeeper" can also be entered into the system and linked to that census, even if you don't know who she is. Witnesses can be added to any event, even though you don't know who it is. Or if you do know --that he is the preacher. Thus if the same preacher married 5 children in the family and baptized them as well, you could link him to all of them, even though he is not part of the "family." Pictures and other exhibits can also be entered on the tag, such as a scan of the original census record. Your transcription of that record can be entered in the notes section of the tag, as well as other data. Sources can be meticulously documented, including the "depository" (such as the Sacramento Public Library) where it was found, notes that it was sent to you by your cousin Grace, website, etc. Date, place, map coordinates, and other info also have locations on each tag, so all the data can be put in chronological order. You can make many complicated or simple reports and charts, get it to write your "books" for you (if you entered your data in the correct format), make charts, tie into specific timelines, create "flags" for specific purposes--such as noting all the redheads or all of the preachers, and much more. But as I said above, it takes a lot of time and effort to enter everything into the program. If you are entering a census, you have to create the tag and link it to all known people involved. But then it shows up on each of their records. You can transfer data from other programs, but it will take a long time to get it the way you want it. GEDCOMs might be better. I transferred one giant data base on one branch of my family from Family Tree Maker. It took me a full day just to get the PLACE names compatible between the two programs. It has worked very well entering fresh data on new families. In the giant family database, I am still finding tags I have to expand from the FTM "notes" three years later (if there was no specific FTM field to correspond to a TMG field, it put the data all in a "note" tag). So the data is not lost in the transfer; it just has to be separated out into the appropriate tags. All of this may be more than you wanted to know. For more information, go to the Wholly Genes website. There is also at least one users mailing list. Good luck, Teresa McVeigh Katrina refugee, now in Baton Rouge

For new folks on this listserve, I am of the John Cooper/Sophia Looney line. They moved from St. Clair, Co., Alabama to Coosa County, Alabama. More information if you request it. I am seeking advice as to the best software to purchase for research/filing purposes. If you have any experience with one or more of them, please let me know. This is going to be my Christmas gift to myself this year! J Danny Cooper

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOONEY Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ECx.2ACEB/552 Message Board Post: LOONEY_Basil_Rivers_1907-1979_.JPG I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery - Founders Section, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records. This is one of the 130,921 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOONEY Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ECx.2ACEB/551 Message Board Post: LOONEY_Una_Velma_WHITLEY_1909-1994.JPG I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery - Founders Section, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records. This is one of the 130,921 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOONEY Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ECx.2ACEB/550 Message Board Post: HEATON_Anna_Bell_LOONEY_and_Hughes_Monroe.JPG I received this gravestone photograph as an Eagle Scout Project by Matthew Pepper. They were taken in the Pleasant Point Cemetery , Lillian, Johnson Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records. This is one of the 130,331 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

hi I would love to see a picture of John William Looney also

Hi Larry - I noticed your correspondence on rootweb that you have a picture of my Gggrandfather, John William Looney. I would love to have a copy of this if you could email it to me. Thanks! Edie Littlefield Daughter of Dora Emma Looney Littlefield, oldest child of Arthur Clay Looney. Arthur's father is Thomas Jefferson Looney, son of John William Looney

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Looney Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ECx.2ACEB/549 Message Board Post: I am searching for information on Charlie B. Looney, born in 1874 in Ashgrove, Mo. My ggg-grandfather. I know that he had twelve children all born in Thornfiled, Ozark Co. Mo. Children's names were: Fannie May, William Roscoe, Claude M, Lula Bell, Addie May, Gertrude, Arlie, John Rollin, Earl, Lena Elizabeth, Marvin Earvin and Walter Robert. Fannie was my gg-grandmother. If anyone can help me with this line I would appreciate it.

The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has begun the > process of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the > Family History books in their collection. About 5000 books have been > digitized and are available, and they have announced that they are > adding about 100 titles a week to the on-line collection. > > Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU, > http://www.lib.byu.edu/ > > From the list of collections that are displayed, choose: > > "Find Other Materials" > "Electronic" > "On Line Collections at BYU" > Choose the TAB "Text Collections" > And, finally, "Family History Archive"

Lauderdale Co., MS. page 96 B. 1850 household 576: Looney, Joseph 29.....farmer....b. TN. ..........., N.N. 23 female............b.GA. ..........., William 5..........b. MS. Loney, Calvin.....21 male...shoemaker.....b. TN. (copied from transcrip., probably also Looney) Looney, Moses....20 male....farmer..........b. TN.

Interesting reading about Looney-Goodyear family connections. Regards, ///SteveL/// ==================== Posted as found on the web at: http://ah.bfn.org/a/forestL/goodyr/ Frank and Charles Goodyear: Their progenitor was Dr. Jabez Bradley Goodyear, born in 1816, in Sempronius, New York. He dropped the Jabez at the time of his marriage. His first occupation was that of tailor. In his mid-twenties, he spent two years traveling through the South, supporting himself by his trade before returning to New York where he was induced by his uncle, Dr. Miles Goodyear, president of the Cortland County, Medical Society, to start practicing medicine as early as 1843. Jabez graduated from Geneva Medical College in 1845 and married Esther Permelia Kinne. She had been born in Cortland in 1822 of New England stock, including an ancestor, who, in the best tradition of earnest Puritans, had come to America via Leyden, Holland, in 1635. They lived in Virgil but moved to a farm near Cortland where there two sons were born, Charles Waterhouse <http://ah.bfn.org/a/del/888/index.html> in 1846 and Frank Henry in 1849. Frank Goodyear Frank was a standard nineteenth century tycoon. Soon after his birth, his family moved to Holland in Erie County. As a boy he worked at Root & Keating's tannery as did brother Charles. Frank attended the district school and East Aurora Academy when his father was practicing medicine there. Later Frank taught in the district school. He then went to Looneyville in Alden as a bookkeeper for Robert Looney, a native of the Island of Man, who ran a farm, sawmill, general store, and feed and grain business and also owned vast timberlands in Pennsylvania. In 1871 Frank married the boss's daughter, twenty-year old Josephine. Next year her father died. Frank had already moved to Buffalo where he set up a coal and lumber business with help from the ubiquitous Elbridge Spaulding <http://ah.bfn.org/h/spauld/tc/tc.html>. Frank had arranged that Josephine's share in her father's estate should be timberlands. He threw himself into the lumber business, setting up several mills in his timberlands along the Western New York & Pennsylvania to Buffalo. In 1884 he bought more land in Potter County and built a sawmill at a town he renamed Austin, which became headquarters of his empire. He initiated temporary railroads, called tramways, to carry logs to his mills instead of floating them down on streams. His frantic pace brought on a nervous breakdown, during which he induced Charles to form E H. & C. W Goodyear and took a European rest cure. The story of their joint activities is that of two brothers who did not get along. The Achilles heel of the Goodyear empire was Frank's decision to expand the railroads servicing his sawmills into an interstate road, the Buffalo & Susquehanna, to link his mills and the coal mines in western Pennsylvania with the Buffalo &Susquehanna Iron Company <http://ah.bfn.org/h/lacksteel/index.html> which the Goodyears had formed in 1902 to operate blast furnaces south of Buffalo on Lake Erie. Two freighters, the /Frank H. Goodyear/ and the /S. M. Clement/, were built to carry ore from the company's mines in Minnesota and Michigan down to Buffalo. This was vertical integration, but it duplicated existing services with an inefficient railroad:

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ECx.2ACEB/548 Message Board Post: I am trying to help a good friend find her heritage. Her great grandfather was Charles R Looney. Her is what we know from the little info we have: Charles R Looney b. 1900 Texas Inez Clinton b. 1903 Texas married 1920 probably Texas Children (probably more about 16 total) Willie L b. 1921 Texas Jack b. 1922 Texas Waunita L b. 1923 Texas Charleen b. 1925 Texas Frances b. 1926 Texas Wanda b. 1928 Texas Tex b. 1930 Texas Sallie Lou b. 1939 Texas Sallie Lou Looney b. 16 sept 1939 d. jan 25 2001 Richard Grassfield Brenda Sue Grassfield b. about 1956 RIchard Lee Potter (mother Beatrice Potter) Any help would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance. Michelle

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ECx.2ACEB/547 Message Board Post: I am researching the lineage of Larkin Looney of Georgia/South Carolina. Hopefully someone can lend some clues or perhaps knows the ancestry of Larkin as to whether he descended from our Robert Looney from the Isle of Man. I find this family in the 1850 Franklin Georgia Census as follows: Larkin Looney 38 Carpenter Georgia Frances 35 South Carolina David 5 Georgia Morgan 6/12 Georgia Jefferson P. Lawson 8 Georgia In the 1860 Franklin Co., Georgia Census as follows: Larkin Looney 47 Mechanic South Carolina Frances 35 Domestic Georgia Jefferson 18 Farmer South Carolina David 13 Georgia Joseph 10 Georgia Sarah 8 Georgia Mary J. 7 Georgia In the 1870 Franklin Georgia Census as follows: Frances Looney 49 Keeping House Georgia Joseph 18 Farm Laborer Georgia Sarah E. 17 At Home Georgia Mary J. 15 At Home Georgia I could not find the Larkin/Frances family in the 1840 Census or before, or the 1880 Census and after. Their children are found in subsequent census. Although the ages do not match well from census to census, I am confident this is the same family. My dilema is that I cannot trace their ancestry prior to 1840, and eventually (hopefully) to our Robert Looney. Any help/hints will be appreciated! Thanks! Anthony Looney Allen, Texas

Good Evening - I have not put out a query to this website for several years and thought I would give it a try. I have run upon a "brick wall" that hopefull some can help with. I am researching the lineage of Larkin Looney of Georgia/South Carolina. Hopefully someone can lend some clues or perhaps knows the ancestry of Larkin as to whether he descended from our Robert Looney from the Isle of Man. I find this family in the 1850 Franklin Georgia Census as follows: Larkin Looney 38 Carpenter Georgia Frances 35 South Carolina David 5 Georgia Morgan 6/12 Georgia Jefferson P. Lawson 8 Georgia In the 1860 Franklin Co., Georgia Census as follows: Larkin Looney 47 Mechanic South Carolina Frances 35 Domestic Georgia Jefferson 18 Farmer South Carolina David 13 Georgia Joseph 10 Georgia Sarah 8 Georgia Mary J. 7 Georgia In the 1870 Franklin Georgia Census as follows: Frances Looney 49 Keeping House Georgia Joseph 18 Farm Laborer Georgia Sarah E. 17 At Home Georgia Mary J. 15 At Home Georgia I could not find the Larkin/Frances family in the 1840 Census or before, or the 1880 Census and after. Their children are found in subsequent census. Although the ages do not match well from census to census, I am confident this is the same family. My dilema is that I cannot trace their ancestry prior to 1840, and eventually (hopefully) to our Robert Looney. Any help/hints will be appreciated! Thanks! Anthony Looney Allen, Texas

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOONEY, RORIE, BURNS, PACE, BARLOW Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ECx.2ACEB/546 Message Board Post: re: Fannie Agnes LOONEY BURNS, b. 17 Feb 1890 Tupelo, Jackson Co, AR; d. 28 Feb 1967 Gary, Lake Co, IN; daughter of Thomas J. LOONEY & Cyrena RORIE; married Mose Cleveland BURNS: Obituary: Gary Post-Tribune, Gary Indiana: 1 Mar 1967: " BURNS, FANNIE A. - Age 77, of 2192 Warren Street, passed away Tuesday, February 28, 1967, at Mercy Hospital. Survivors: one daughter, Mrs. Chester (Elise) PACE, of East Gary; one sister, Mrs. Ida CRAIL, of Memphis, Tennessee; 17 grandchildren; 13 great-grandchildren. Body was sent to the Citizens Funeral Home, in West Memphis, Arkansas, where services will be held. Brady Funeral Home was in charge of local arrangements." Burial Note: Funeral was in West Memphis, AR, but she was buried by her husband in the LOONEY plot in Augusta, Woodruff Co, AR. Death Note: Fannie died of rectal cancer and spend her last months in the home of her daughter Elise and son-in law, Chester PACE. She died after a short stay in the hospital in Gary. Accidents caused the deaths of all four of Fannie's children: Clint Aubyn (1909-1960), Orville Lee (1911-1954), Ida Elise PACE (1917-1978) and Ruth Marie BARLOW (1919-1962),

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LOONEY, RORIE, BURNS, CRAIL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ECx.2ACEB/545 Message Board Post: re: Marvin Columbus LOONEY, b. 27 Sep 1885 Stone Co, AR; d. 09 Aug 1954 Augusta, Woodruff Co, AR; son of Thomas J. LOONEY & Cyrena RORIE; never married: "MARVIN C. LOONEY AUGUSTA CARPENTER, DIED MONDAY - "Marvin C. LOONEY, 69, retired carpenter and farmer of Augusta, died Monday in a Brinkley hospital. He was a native of Stone county and a member of the Methodist Church. Survivors include his parents, Mr. & Mrs. T.J. LOONEY, Augusta; a brother, Mode LOONEY, Augusta; and two sisters, Mrs. M.C. BURNS, Oceanside, Calif, and Mrs. R.K. CRAIL, Augusta. Funeral services were held in the chapel of Herbert Holmes Funeral Home at 2:30 Tuesday afternon by the Rev. O.D. Peters. Burial was in Augusta Memorial Park by Herbert Holmes. Pallbearers were Luther DAWSON, Tom TURNER, Ray ANGELO, Clyde COLLIER, Elga BROWN and J.J. FERGUSON."