I know who you are talking about. Elizabeth has a file full of data received from this individual and it is so full of errors that I refuse to use it. There is just so much that this person obviously just stuck together that I can't tell what is true and what is fiction. Figuring out the truth based on data received from different family members and from different generations is difficult enough. There is plenty of evidence to convince me that George did have two Joseph's in his home. Tracking them both down is the problem. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [LOONEY-L] Joseph H. Looney > Larry: The two things that have always bothered me about George's missing > older Joseph is the info posted by one of our previous members that this > Joseph was buried in Bollinger Co., MO. He couldn't name his source but in > my picking apart of Bollinger Co. I know there were only two Looney family's > there. Mine at Zalma and the Arthur G. Looney family about 30 miles north of > there at Patton. Arthur's family is pretty well documented without a Joseph > in sight. > Joseph & Almeda apparently didn't use the "naming pattern" that was so > popular with many families. Or if they did they quit using after the first > two. What to do, what to do. Just keep digging I guess. At least I know > others are helping me dig. > Pat > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > If you find a web page somewhere listing Manx, Irish or Scotch surnames > and they don't include LOONEY/LUNA/etc., send them a note to let them > know we're around. The more advertising we have, the more help we get. > >

Larry: The two things that have always bothered me about George's missing older Joseph is the info posted by one of our previous members that this Joseph was buried in Bollinger Co., MO. He couldn't name his source but in my picking apart of Bollinger Co. I know there were only two Looney family's there. Mine at Zalma and the Arthur G. Looney family about 30 miles north of there at Patton. Arthur's family is pretty well documented without a Joseph in sight. Joseph & Almeda apparently didn't use the "naming pattern" that was so popular with many families. Or if they did they quit using after the first two. What to do, what to do. Just keep digging I guess. At least I know others are helping me dig. Pat

Hello gang, Just ran across this web site. It is great!!! It typed in the name of Looney and did a title search , based on all states, and got 18 pages of names and information. You even get a copy of the org, document here! If you havent seen this site----you should!!! Good luck! Pam Looney <A HREF="http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/default.asp">BLM - ES, GLO Records - Home</A> or www.glorecords.blm.gov/default.asp

You will find this rumor to be kind of true. I say kind of because it sounds like two different families are getting mixed up. John Warren Looney of the Absalom (2) line is said to have purchased land on both sides of the San Antonio River in Goliad, Victoria and Refugio Counties of Texas. John is said to have died near Nachodoces, Tx while transporting his family from Ala. to his lands near Goliad, Tx. I do not show John as having a son named Joseph. The Joseph you speak of was possibly Joseph F. Looney b. 25 Sep 1858 d. 28 Sep 1887. Joseph's father was John Robert Looney b. 5 Dec 1824 in S.C. and died 3 Sep 1881, Nacodoces, TX. John R. Looney married Susan Catherine Baxter. John (5) was a descendant of Joseph (4), Robert (3), Adam (2) Looney. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 11:24 PM Subject: [LOONEY-L] Looney Rumor > A cousin of mine has another rumor I'd like to check out. > > Another Looney Rumor: > Joseph's father died in the Nacogdoches area when he and family were on their > way to Goliad. the family continued on....he owned lots of land in that > area....... > > Any clues? > > Bettye Looney Bowerman > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > Were there 12 brothers that arrived in Boston from Ireland in the 1850s? > Help us find them. Robert's family isn't the only LOONEYs out there! > And, other Manx LOONEYs who came later than Robert are on our list! > >

We still have not figured out what happened to that first son of George who was also named Joseph. I haven't found any trace of him in these files yet. I have several more Joseph's that are not accounted for. The descendants of Catherine __?__ really scattered. Some went to Miss., others to Ark, MO and some back to Tenn. I'm still plugging them into a GED trying to make sense of the relationships. One thing seems kind of consistent, family groups kept using the same names generation after generation. Joseph's seem to be mostly found in the Robert (2) Jr. and Joseph (2) lines. I haven't given up, just keep plugging away. Something will pop up one of these days. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [LOONEY-L] Joseph H. Looney > Larry: Thanks, guess I'll quit picking at this family's bones. I really > feel after all these years and effort by so many people we will never find a > family for our orphan Joseph. Not that I'm giving up, just don't think the > results will ever turn up anything. > > Pat > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > Was "John" Robert's father? or brother? Was Robert's wife Elizabeth? Was > she a Stover or Llewellen? Was John's wife also a Llewellen (did sisters > marry brothers?)? How many of Robert's siblings and neices/nephews came > to America, too? Help us solve these mysteries today on the LOONEY list. > >

Transcribed from an CD containing digital photo copies of military documents. ///Steve Looney/// ============================================================ Looney, Benjamin McCormick's Reg, 1791-1792, PRIVATE Looney, John Capt. Beard's Co. of Guards, 1791, PRIVATE Looney, John Cooper's Reg., 1792-1794, SERGEANT Looney, Isaac Cooper's Reg., 1792-1794, PRIVATE Looney, Robert Capt. Beard's Co. of Guards, 1791, PRIVATE Loney, William 10 Reg., Orleans Territory Militia, 1806 PRIVATE Luna, John Donaldson's Reg., 1793-1794, PRIVATE, orig. filed under John Looney Luna, Joseph Henderson's Co., 1794, PRIVATE, orig. filed under Joseph Luney Luna, Peter Luna's Co., Sumner Co. Militia, 1794, CAPTAIN Luney, Joseph Henderson's Reg., 1794, PRIVATE Luny, Moses Knox Co. Reg., 1789?-1794 ============================================================

He was simply identified as furnishing the information. The name was noted on one of the Family data sheets. It did not show his/her relationship. It would seem that they were one of the Austin children or grandchildren who recorded the births of their older family relations. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [LOONEY-L] Joseph S. Looney > Thank you so much for this information. I have come across many of these > names but was not sure of the connection. > How was J.H. Austin related? > Thanks again > [email protected] > > > ==== LOONEY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send a message to [email protected] > with the command UNSUBSCRIBE as the only line in the message's body. > If you're in digest, send it to [email protected] > >

Again you all are wonderful and full of information. I'll dig around and see what other rumors I have written down. Bettye Looney Bowerman

Let's go for it. I need all the help I can get - mentally too. Bettye Looney Bowerman

Bettye & Bill Joseph Kyle Looney was indeed the son of Robert & Rebecca Looney. Joseph came out to Texas from AL and settled around what is now San Antonio, TX. He was very instrumental in writing the new laws for the new state of Texas after the battle of Santa Ana. Also have a complete document (all in the original SPANISH) signed by Estfan F. Austin awarding him a special land grant. If you are interested....let me know. Ginny

Pat, Will do!!!! Something about that name Joseph, that lends to secrecy!!! LOL Pam

Bettye, Believe you refer to John (4) Warren (c1793-1848) , Absalom (3), Absalom (2). John W. died in 1848 in route to Goliad Texas while relocating his family from Madison County Alabama. In 1845 he made a trip to Texas where he bought vast amounts of land in 1845 and 1846. The trip and the death of John W. are described in Tilton’s MS, Part 4, Absalom (2) beginning on page 58. Ida Campbell in “Oh, Strange New World”, tells about the trip to Texas, lists the children of John W. Neither Miss Campbell or Mr. Tilton list ‘Joseph’ as a son of John W. and Nancy (Campbell) Looney. Elizabeth Looney, in her 1986 review and praise of “Oh, Strange New World”, enumerates 8 children of John W. Looney: Elizabeth, Harriet, Ann Eliza, Tuberville, Susan, John Warren Jr, Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren. Elizabeth does comment on a “Joseph” mentioned in the book: Ida Campbell: “Relatives of John Warren Looney came to Texas from Kentucky twenty years before in 1828...... James Looney, twenty-eight and single, came to Texas from Kentucky in 1828...... Joseph K Looney, listed as a member of Green C. DeWitt’s Colony....1828... Samuel Looney, a native of Kentucky, with his brother, James Looney, in 1828 moved to Texas, locating in the Snow River Settlement on the Neches River....” Elizabeth: “Page 53- I believe James Looney and Joseph K. (Kyle perhaps) Looney were sons of Robert (3) and Rebecca Kyle Looney. Robert was son of David (2) and Mary McClellan(d) Looney. The name of Samuel Looney of Kentucky is new to me. ....” Looks like you called it right....a Rumor. bill

A cousin of mine has another rumor I'd like to check out. Another Looney Rumor: Joseph's father died in the Nacogdoches area when he and family were on their way to Goliad. the family continued on....he owned lots of land in that area....... Any clues? Bettye Looney Bowerman

Pam & Ginny: Ours isn't Joseph H. were failing on. Either Joseph A. or Joseph L. b. ca 1842-43 in TN? We know of his whereabouts from 1860 on. Prior to that is a deep dark secret. So while chasing Joseph's if you run across mine I'll be here! Pat

Ginny, I believe that this is probably your Joseph. The timing is right, at least. I don't recall seeing the Geisler name, but since I haven't done alot on Joseph, that''s not saying much. They were probably neighbors, or maybe they were involved in land transactions. Anyhow, thought that I would bring your attention to it. Laura

Does any of you have a Mary Jane Atkinson in your trees? My g-g-grandfather married her and we can't seem to agree on his name. I was originally told Babe. Then I was told Bain (Might not be actual spelling). If any of you have any info please help me! Thanks! Lisa

Pam, please be sure to include me with ANY information on ole Joe too. Thanks, Ginny

Pat and Larry, I am still after the ol bones of Joseph!!! When I hear any information I will immediately send it off to you. Maybe tracking from my line will help! Although,I can say hitting a brick wall, is way too familiar in this line!! Still have the scars---OUCH!! LOL Fondly, Pam Looney

Below is a query concerning a LOONEY/GEISLER connection in TN abt 1818. Don't think she's part of our list, so pls send responses to her directly. Thanks, ///Steve Looney/// ============================================ From: [email protected] Hello, Maybe you can answer a question I have regarding a Joseph Looney of Sullivan Co., TN. I am wondering if there was any relationship to my Geisler/Giesler family who lived there from about 1815 forward. Joseph Looney was named the co-administrator (along with Adam's son John Geisler Sr.) on the will of Adam Geisler written in 1818 and letters of Admin filed 1821 in Sullivan Co. The Sullivan Co., TN copy was burned, however, another copy admitted for probate in Adams Co., PA where the Geisler family came from and still owed money for a farm there. The Adams Co., PA court records show this estate settlement stretched into 1844 when it was decided that the farm was lost to back taxes and owed money from the former sale not recoverable. Do you know of any relationship of Looney to Geisler, or was he just a lawyer involved in the administration of this estate? John Geisler Sr. had moved to Maries Co., Missouri by 1837 and died intestate (suddenly?) in 1846. We wonder if he had traveled to PA to settle his father's estate there and died on the way to or from the reason he left no will and left his heirs to then struggle through the courts dividing his estate. Anyway, just always looking for reasons and the Looney involvement always has been a question unanswered. Pamela Geisler Smith Gresham, OR

Larry: Thanks, guess I'll quit picking at this family's bones. I really feel after all these years and effort by so many people we will never find a family for our orphan Joseph. Not that I'm giving up, just don't think the results will ever turn up anything. Pat