Hi Jenny It does look like Thomas Edward was the first child in 1854 In 1861 they are in Shoreditch Thomas is 34 a shoe maker born Stratford Essex Ann is 32 born St Pancras Middlesex Thomas E 7 born Bethnal Green Middlesex Henry J 4 born Shoreditch Middlesex James age 1 also born Shoreditch Middlesex The births of Henry, James and Ann Martha are below easily found now on the new GRO index (on the GRO site where you order certs) which has the mothers maiden name where captured CORNELL, HENRY JOHN ELMES GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 204 CORNELL, JAMES ELMES GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 134 CORNELL, ANN MARTHA ELMES GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 233 I did not find a marriage for a CORNELL to ELMES but remember the name on births is the maiden name, she may have been previously married so would marry under her previous married name rather than her maiden name By 1871 Ann is a widow in Bethnal Green living with her are George REED? 17 brother in law, Thomas, Henry, Kames, Alfred & Martha A Any of the childrens birth certs should tell you if she was married before or if they were believed to be married at the time Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03-Mar-17 8:41 AM, jenny lang wrote: > Hi there > Need some help with a long standing brick wall. > Thomas CORNELL born c1829 London area married (or did they) Ann ELMES born c1831 London.First know child is Thomas Edward born Feb 1854 Bethnal Green next came Henry John 1857, James c1860,Alfred 1862, Caroline born 1866 died 1866 & Martha A (Ann Martha) born c1868.Haven't found James nor Martha births as yet.Grateful for any help. > Cheers Jenny