Dear All This is my first posting to this list for a very long time, so it's good to be back! Amongst the non-indexed records on Ancestry (London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930) in the 1861 Settlement and Examinations papers for St Luke's, Chelsea there is a loose letter in which I am very interested. The letter is from the Clerk to the Corporation of the Poor in Bristol, to the workhouse in Chelsea. Dated 30th March 1861 this states that 5 applications to the Churchwardens and Overseers in Chelsea have been sent requesting payment of 7s/10d maintenance of John Corridon under order of removal dated 11 September 1860. As no notice has been taken of three applications, the writer asks for the details of the person whose duty it is to pay these amounts. I have several questions relating to this: In what circumstances would these maintenance payments be made? Also, as Ancestry does not appear to have the appropriate St Luke's orders of removal records online for that period, and virtually all Bristol workhouse records were lost in the blitz, would I be correct in thinking that the order may be recorded at the London Metropolitan Archive at the following location: CHBG/167/003 Orders of removal inwards 1859 - 1865. Are there any other records at the LMA, or elsewhere, which may help me research this further. Thanks in anticipation of any help you may be able to give me, please. Regards Mike Corrigan Keynsham Bristol UK Researching CORRIGAN/CORRIDON/CORRIDAN in London 1850s, CORRIGAN/POWELL in Birmingham 1870s, CORRIGAN in Cardiff 1890s, CORRIGAN in NSW Australia 1900s to present. CORRIGAN/CALLAGHAN in Bristol 1850s to present

Mike, Welcome back! One possible scenario is that John Corridon was living in Bristol when he fell upon hard times, or became ill, and was unable to support himself. He may have applied for assistance to the Bristol Corporation of the Poor, and may have undergone a settlement examination to determine his eligibility. As a result, he was found to be chargeable to the parish of St Luke Chelsea, for whatever reason. Up to 1861 he would normally have been removed to his parish of settlement (Chelsea), unless he could prove residence in Bristol for 5 continuous years (this was reduced to 3 years in 1861). The removal order that was issued on 11 September 1860 might have been suspended, if perhaps he was too ill to be removed at that time. Alternatively, Chelsea might have been attempting to appeal against the order. In either of those circumstances Bristol would probably have agreed to care for him temporarily, whilst charging maintenance costs back to Chelsea. These may be the costs that the Clerk was trying to recover. As you suggest, there might be an inwards removal order from Bristol held amongst the Chelsea records, perhaps in CHBG/167/003. This volume is online at Ancestry. The access path is ... London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930 > Chelsea > Chelsea > Orders of Removal > Settlement and Relief, 1859-1865 (1137 images). As regards other records at LMA, if John Corridon applied for relief from the Chelsea Guardians at an earlier or a later date, and if his settlement was in doubt, there might be an examination for him at Chelsea. Settlement examinations are in CHBG/164/001-009, covering 1842-1907. There are also some admission/discharge registers for the Britten Street workhouse in the early 1860s. All these records are listed in the LMA online catalogue, but it is quite hard to find things there. The 'London Generations' pdf pages are easier to use and include poor law records. http://bit.ly/1PcO32u (pdf) (scroll down to Chelsea Board of Guardians) Ancestry appears to have some but not all of the Chelsea settlement records. To be honest, it is hard to be sure exactly what they do have because their labelling and source citation are rather poor. I hope this helps a little. Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Corrigan via This is my first posting to this list for a very long time, so it's good to be back! Amongst the non-indexed records on Ancestry (London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930) in the 1861 Settlement and Examinations papers for St Luke's, Chelsea there is a loose letter in which I am very interested. The letter is from the Clerk to the Corporation of the Poor in Bristol, to the workhouse in Chelsea. Dated 30th March 1861 this states that 5 applications to the Churchwardens and Overseers in Chelsea have been sent requesting payment of 7s/10d maintenance of John Corridon under order of removal dated 11 September 1860. As no notice has been taken of three applications, the writer asks for the details of the person whose duty it is to pay these amounts. I have several questions relating to this: In what circumstances would these maintenance payments be made? Also, as Ancestry does not appear to have the appropriate St Luke's orders of removal records online for that period, and virtually all Bristol workhouse records were lost in the blitz, would I be correct in thinking that the order may be recorded at the London Metropolitan Archive at the following location: CHBG/167/003 Orders of removal inwards 1859 - 1865. Are there any other records at the LMA, or elsewhere, which may help me research this further.

Dear Judy That actually helps a lot! Thank you very much for your very full and detailed reply, which is much appreciated. Having only recently found that letter, it's taken me into unfamiliar areas, which are very fascinating. As you suggest, it hasn't always proved easy to navigate through the poor law records on Ancestry. Thanks again Mike -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 April 2015 22:29 To: 'Mike Corrigan'; 'LONDON Mailing List' Subject: RE: [LON] Workhouse Query - St Luke's Chelsea Mike, Welcome back! One possible scenario is that John Corridon was living in Bristol when he fell upon hard times, or became ill, and was unable to support himself. He may have applied for assistance to the Bristol Corporation of the Poor, and may have undergone a settlement examination to determine his eligibility. As a result, he was found to be chargeable to the parish of St Luke Chelsea, for whatever reason. Up to 1861 he would normally have been removed to his parish of settlement (Chelsea), unless he could prove residence in Bristol for 5 continuous years (this was reduced to 3 years in 1861). The removal order that was issued on 11 September 1860 might have been suspended, if perhaps he was too ill to be removed at that time. Alternatively, Chelsea might have been attempting to appeal against the order. In either of those circumstances Bristol would probably have agreed to care for him temporarily, whilst charging maintenance costs back to Chelsea. These may be the costs that the Clerk was trying to recover. As you suggest, there might be an inwards removal order from Bristol held amongst the Chelsea records, perhaps in CHBG/167/003. This volume is online at Ancestry. The access path is ... London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930 > Chelsea > Chelsea > Orders of Removal > Settlement and Relief, 1859-1865 (1137 images). As regards other records at LMA, if John Corridon applied for relief from the Chelsea Guardians at an earlier or a later date, and if his settlement was in doubt, there might be an examination for him at Chelsea. Settlement examinations are in CHBG/164/001-009, covering 1842-1907. There are also some admission/discharge registers for the Britten Street workhouse in the early 1860s. All these records are listed in the LMA online catalogue, but it is quite hard to find things there. The 'London Generations' pdf pages are easier to use and include poor law records. http://bit.ly/1PcO32u (pdf) (scroll down to Chelsea Board of Guardians) Ancestry appears to have some but not all of the Chelsea settlement records. To be honest, it is hard to be sure exactly what they do have because their labelling and source citation are rather poor. I hope this helps a little. Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Corrigan via This is my first posting to this list for a very long time, so it's good to be back! Amongst the non-indexed records on Ancestry (London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930) in the 1861 Settlement and Examinations papers for St Luke's, Chelsea there is a loose letter in which I am very interested. The letter is from the Clerk to the Corporation of the Poor in Bristol, to the workhouse in Chelsea. Dated 30th March 1861 this states that 5 applications to the Churchwardens and Overseers in Chelsea have been sent requesting payment of 7s/10d maintenance of John Corridon under order of removal dated 11 September 1860. As no notice has been taken of three applications, the writer asks for the details of the person whose duty it is to pay these amounts. I have several questions relating to this: In what circumstances would these maintenance payments be made? Also, as Ancestry does not appear to have the appropriate St Luke's orders of removal records online for that period, and virtually all Bristol workhouse records were lost in the blitz, would I be correct in thinking that the order may be recorded at the London Metropolitan Archive at the following location: CHBG/167/003 Orders of removal inwards 1859 - 1865. Are there any other records at the LMA, or elsewhere, which may help me research this further.

Judy Do you know if the CHBG/167/003 records on Ancestry are complete please, or are indexed anywhere, if not on Ancestry? I've now waded through them several times but have been unable to find the record for John Corridon. It is presumed that John Corridon went into the workhouse in Chelsea around 1851 as a baby, when his mother went into an asylum. By the time of the 1861 correspondence, we believe he may have been in Bristol possibly with relatives, who then brought him up. If this was correct, would the Bristol Poor Corporation still be involved and seeking maintenance from Chelsea? Thanks for any advice you can provide. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lester [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 April 2015 22:29 To: 'Mike Corrigan'; 'LONDON Mailing List' Subject: RE: [LON] Workhouse Query - St Luke's Chelsea Mike, Welcome back! One possible scenario is that John Corridon was living in Bristol when he fell upon hard times, or became ill, and was unable to support himself. He may have applied for assistance to the Bristol Corporation of the Poor, and may have undergone a settlement examination to determine his eligibility. As a result, he was found to be chargeable to the parish of St Luke Chelsea, for whatever reason. Up to 1861 he would normally have been removed to his parish of settlement (Chelsea), unless he could prove residence in Bristol for 5 continuous years (this was reduced to 3 years in 1861). The removal order that was issued on 11 September 1860 might have been suspended, if perhaps he was too ill to be removed at that time. Alternatively, Chelsea might have been attempting to appeal against the order. In either of those circumstances Bristol would probably have agreed to care for him temporarily, whilst charging maintenance costs back to Chelsea. These may be the costs that the Clerk was trying to recover. As you suggest, there might be an inwards removal order from Bristol held amongst the Chelsea records, perhaps in CHBG/167/003. This volume is online at Ancestry. The access path is ... London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930 > Chelsea > Chelsea > Orders of Removal > Settlement and Relief, 1859-1865 (1137 images). As regards other records at LMA, if John Corridon applied for relief from the Chelsea Guardians at an earlier or a later date, and if his settlement was in doubt, there might be an examination for him at Chelsea. Settlement examinations are in CHBG/164/001-009, covering 1842-1907. There are also some admission/discharge registers for the Britten Street workhouse in the early 1860s. All these records are listed in the LMA online catalogue, but it is quite hard to find things there. The 'London Generations' pdf pages are easier to use and include poor law records. http://bit.ly/1PcO32u (pdf) (scroll down to Chelsea Board of Guardians) Ancestry appears to have some but not all of the Chelsea settlement records. To be honest, it is hard to be sure exactly what they do have because their labelling and source citation are rather poor. I hope this helps a little. Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Corrigan via This is my first posting to this list for a very long time, so it's good to be back! Amongst the non-indexed records on Ancestry (London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930) in the 1861 Settlement and Examinations papers for St Luke's, Chelsea there is a loose letter in which I am very interested. The letter is from the Clerk to the Corporation of the Poor in Bristol, to the workhouse in Chelsea. Dated 30th March 1861 this states that 5 applications to the Churchwardens and Overseers in Chelsea have been sent requesting payment of 7s/10d maintenance of John Corridon under order of removal dated 11 September 1860. As no notice has been taken of three applications, the writer asks for the details of the person whose duty it is to pay these amounts. I have several questions relating to this: In what circumstances would these maintenance payments be made? Also, as Ancestry does not appear to have the appropriate St Luke's orders of removal records online for that period, and virtually all Bristol workhouse records were lost in the blitz, would I be correct in thinking that the order may be recorded at the London Metropolitan Archive at the following location: CHBG/167/003 Orders of removal inwards 1859 - 1865. Are there any other records at the LMA, or elsewhere, which may help me research this further.