Thanks for your help Ron, at least I know now that no stone has been left unturned in the search for Gerties origins. If she was registered with another surname, that would be almost impossible to find and prove and I guess there is always the possibility that her birth was never registered. Thanks also for the info on the Barlows, that was very helpful. Edward and Gertrude Barlow were the last of my ancestors to come to Australia and they are the ones I know least about, amazing really. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: "Ron Lankshear" [ronlank@yahoo.com.au] Date: 11/09/2011 02:11 AM To: "C5D" <antonylambert@c5d.co.uk> CC: LONDON@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] BRICKWALL: Rivers Note: Original message sent as attachment