Hi Paul I will have a proper look at this puzzle later on (unless anyone solves it first!), but I wanted to dash off a quick response to say: 1. Congratulations on a model mailing list post. If only more people would set out their queries in such a full and organised way, with census references, notes on where you have looked so far etc etc. 2. Given the name DALRYMPLE, have you looked for a marriage in Scotland? 3. It might be worth getting poor little Elizabeth's birth certificate. Best wishes Caroline > > I am struggling to locate Charlotte Jane DALRYMPLE in the 1861 and 1871 > censuses, and her parents' marriage, about 1850. > > What I know: > > My great grandmother Emily Charlotte WILSON's birth certificate (1877) > gives her parents' names as William Henry Wiggins WILSON and Charlotte > Jane WILSON formerly DALRYMPLE. > > For 1881, see RG11/319 folio 37 page 67 > For 1891, see RG12/123 folio 18 page 26 > For 1901, see RG13/140 folio 45 page 81 > > The parents' marriage took place earlier in 1877 at Pancras register > office. Charlotte's surname was given as DALRAMPLE on that occasion, > age > 24, spinster, daughter of Robert DALRAMPLE, cabinet maker. > > Charlotte's birth certificate shows her birth 6 July 1853, at 9 New > Union Street, Cripplegate, daughter of Robert DALRYMPLE (wood carver) > and Elizabeth, formerly BLACKMAN. There is a matching baptism, found > through ancestry.co.uk, at St Bartholomew, Moor Lane. The details are > identical. > > Other scraps: an undertaker's bill dated 1855 for Miss Elizabeth > Dalrymple, aged 8 weeks, addressed to Mr Dalrymple (undertaker's > address > Wardour Street, Soho). I imagine another child of the same parents. > > What I'd like to know: > > I've tried various searches on both Ancestry and FindMyPast, and cannot > find Charlotte Jane DALRYMPLE in either the 1861 or 1871 censuses. > > Nor can I positively identify her parents in the censuses from 1851 to > 1871 (but see some possibilities below). > > Nor can I find her parents' marriage (Robert DALRYMPLE and Elizabeth > BLACKMAN), about 1850. (I've tried FreeBMD, and searched the GRO index > books myself in the past.) > > Possible anwers: > > There are some possible census matches for Robert DALRYMPLE: > 1871: RG10/353 fol 35 pg 16: lodger, unmarried, age 40, wood carver, > born St Pancras > 1861: RG9/60 fol 80 pg 13: married, age 33, wood carver, born London, > wife Charlotte, no children > 1851: HO107/1493 fol 714 pg 8: unmarried, age 25, ornamental carver, > born London > > I'm not sure these are (a) the same person (b) relevant, since none > match the details I have that well. (He is perhaps baptised All Souls, > Langham Place, July 19, 1829) > > I also haved wondered about Elizabeth WATERS (widow) and her daughter > Charlotte J WATERS - at (RG10/372 folio 96 page 13 in 1871) because: > (a) > matching mother/daughter names; (b) the existence of various > letters/documents relating to them dated about the time of Elizabeth's > death in 1875 in the same accumulation as the undertaker's bill > mentioned above. There is an envelope addressed to "Miss Waters", so > that certainly appears to be Charlotte's common surname in 1875. Also, > no marriage between Elizabeth DALRYMPLE or BLACKMAN and WATERS in > FreeBMD. So perhaps a red herring. > > Paul > > -- > Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire