Lynda Many thanks for your excellent help, I will follow up your suggestions. Kay ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:09:16 +0100 From: Lynda Rooke <lyndarooke123@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [LON] brick wall HAYNES To: <london@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <SNT126-W27B9BA778D71936F1311BFA0EF0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Carol, There is a marriage between Elizabeth Haynes and William Fullbrook 21 June 1857 at St James' Church Shoreditch. This must be the Elizabeth who witnessed Charles Haynes' marriage. Her father is shown as Thomas Haynes and his occupation is general dealer. I have also found a possible marriage for Robert Haynes. If the marriage is correct, then then age is out by 10 years. However, it shows Robert as a cattle dealer and it shows his father as Thomas Haynes deceased. The marriage took place 21 Dec 1872 at St Andrew's Church Islington. It might be worthwhile looking for this couple on the 1881 census to see whether birth dates match up. Lynda> From: lyndarooke123@hotmail.co.uk > To: london@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:30:19 +0100 > Subject: [LON] brick wall Haynes > > > > > > Hi Carol, I think I may have found a marriage for Thomas' son Charles, b.1846 He married Ellen Breen at St James' Church Shoreditch 30 Nov 1869. Charles' occupation is shown as a Drover and his father is shown as Thomas, deceased and he was also a drover.One of the witnesses was Elizabeth Fulbrook. Could this be his sister's married name perhaps? Lynda