Thanks for your response Jan! After looking at the records that Jon sent me (thanks again Jon!) I keep going back and forth on this, but I am still not fully convinced that the St Martin Ludgate record is my Thomas. Every other record I have shows him to be born in 1826 or later. I keep wondering if perhaps the John from the St Pancras Camden record changed his job later in life. Or maybe Thomas didn't know what his father's job had been, and just made something up to put on the marriage certificate. The grandson, John, who is living with John & Esther in 1871 would not be one of Thomas' children. He had 3 children from his first marriage (at least the first marriage that I know of) and they were all born in Memphis, Tennessee. The two oldest children, Laura & Thomas Jr, were enumerated in Lancashire in 1871. They were both attending school. (Finding them going to school there was what led me to find their father getting remarried in 1873) The youngest daughter, Alice, stayed in the states with her mother, Rebecca, after Thomas & Rebecca divorced. All in all, I guess either one of the baptism records that Jon mentioned are possible candidates, but I just don't know. Although I'm still trying to find something more conclusive that would tie my Thomas LEECH to either one of the families that Jon mentioned, I do have some new information on the family of John LEECH living in Ludgate Hill. John LEECH was the landlord of the London Coffee House at Ludgate Hill, which I'm given to understand was a popular establishment. Despite that, John eventually declared bankruptcy in 1832. His son, also named John LEECH (born in 1817-died in 1864), went on to become a caricaturist and illustrator. He illustrated the first edition of Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol". (I've spent so much time trying to find a connection to the LEECH family that Beatrix POTTER was descended from that it never occurred to me that there might be another literary connection in the family). ~ Sarah Dallas, TX