Mo, I think this is the entry. 1841 census HO107/677/14 folio 57 page 19 2 Little Park Lane, Marylebone Frederick BARDON 40 Har(nes)s M(aker) Y Mary BARDON 35 Y The writing is very unclear. Both Ancestry and FMP have BARDON, and that seems feasible. The occupation is hard to read, but perhaps an abbreviated Harness Maker. Does that, or the address, fit with anything else you know? Presumably Frederick died before 1851, which is why you have no place of birth for him. Have you found a death/burial for him, with an age attached? There's a burial at St Mary Paddington on 26 April 1846 of Frederick John BARTON aged 50, from Hall Park, Paddington. Perhaps you've already considered that one. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Burton I am looking for some indications of the birth of Frederick John BARTON. He married Mary RUTT in 1817 St Pancras. I have an approx birth date for Mary of 1793 but no place of birth. I am assuming (wrong to assume, I know) that Frederick John was born about the same time but no idea of place of birth. There is an entry on 1841 Census but I cannot read the entry on FMP. Any better eyes than mine out there? 1841 Census BARDON, Frederick ST MARYLEBONE, Middlesex HO107 piece 677 folio 14/57 page 19 I have found 3 children of this marriage, so far, Sarah born 1831 Frederick John born 1835 Paddington Mary Ann born 1840 Paddington. Any help with finding this mans birth would be appreciated. Mo -- Maureen Burton Member ESFHS