On 2011-05-26 12:01 AM, Maureen Burton wrote: > He married Mary RUTT in 1817 St Pancras. > I have an approx birth date for Mary of 1793 but no place of birth. > I am assuming (wrong to assume, I know) that Frederick John was born about > the same time but no idea of place of birth. > There is an entry on 1841 Census but I cannot read the entry on FMP. Any > better eyes than mine out there? Best I can make of 1817 marriage is what Ancestry have which is BARLOW - very faint. He put his mark so name only shown once. I suppose it could be BARTON. > > 1841 Census > BARDON, Frederick > ST MARYLEBONE, Middlesex > HO107 piece 677 folio 14/57 page 19 Looks like BARDON and he is a Har'n M presumably Harness maker And no children seen They live in Little Park Lane Anyhow these people do not appear to your folk > > I have found 3 children of this marriage, so far, > Sarah born 1831 > Frederick John born 1835 Paddington > Mary Ann born 1840 Paddington. all baptised 19 May 1841 at Paddington St James with birth dates as you said parents clearly Frederick John Barton and Mary Barton He is a plasterer - living at Dudley St. So if your link to this family is through one of the children then I am fairly sure that the Bardon 1841 is not them. Alas Paddington is missing from 1841 census on Ancestry. And for sure Dudley St is not listed in 1841 on http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ Street Project Presumably birth of Mary Ann Barton Jul-Aug-Sep 1840 Kensington 3 283 Do you have it? Presumbly it confirm mother's maiden name as RUTT I looked for Mary Ann in 1851 HO107; Piece: 1466; Folio: 67; Page: 34 5 Edwards Place same area as Dudley St Mary Barton abt 1798 St James Head Thomas H Barton abt 1826 Paddington Son Mary Ann Barton abt 1841 Paddington Daughter Mary is a widow and son is a Plasterer and his baptism confirms the right people Thomas Henry Barton 22 Jan 1826 Frederick John Barton, Mary Barton St Marylebone Westminster father is a plasterer and address is just Paddn. perhaps Dudley St There are other children baptised from 1819 on also But father is shown a Mech/c one is John Meshach Barton 24 Mar 1822 Frederick John Barton, Mary Barton St Marylebone which with 1798 from 1851 leads me to Mary Rutt Baptism 25 Feb 1798 St Marylebone, Middlesex to Meshech & Cathe or Mesheck & Catherine There being two pages and both say born 27 Nov (presumably 1797) The burial that Judy found sounds like you man so if 50 in 1846 then born c1796 and strangely using wildcards Bar*o? best I can see in LMA data is John Frederick Barlow Baptism 5 Aug 1792 St Marylebone, Middlesex to Edward, Sarah Perhaps your man was baptised in a church not in LMA collection Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/

Evening Listers Would just like to enquire, if anyone has this couple in their tree Alfred Knowelden b. abt 1877 d. 1948 Poplar married Poplar in 1901 to Elizabeth Hendra b. 1881 Poplar d. 1943 Poplar Elizabeth was the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Hendra Alfred Knowelden and Elizabeth Hendra had 10 children born between 1902 and 1920 Regards Margaret