Hi Anne and Mick A little bit of both to your questions. As I have John Butler's parents and brother and sister's up to the present day. I just cannot see where to start with his three sons. With the surname of Butler and first names of John, William, Edward and Thomas they are not that uncommon and the 1851 census has their birth place as London which does not help. Unless someone with their research has come down to the three brothers I can see how I can start, if you can suggest a way forward please. Thank you Jeff

So are you looking for descendants of these boys or their births etc As well as 1851 census I would look for 1841 census if you have not got it With Ancestry LMA baptisms you can search for surname and the parents to find families I could not see anything for the boys so I would suggest search FreeBMD/GRO perhaps these boys baptised in a non LMA search But there are these Emma Butler 14 Oct 1836 John Butler a Groom and Lucy Butler St George the Martyr Southwark Lucy Butler 5 May 1839 John Butler, a Ostler and Lucy Butler St Andrew Holborn City of London Robert Butler 18 Aug 1852 John Butler, a Ostler Lucy Butler Holborn St Sepulchre City of London 1851 I see John is a Groom so presumably the above are siblings of the boys in 1851 Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-06-17 4:30 PM, Jeff Butler wrote: > As I have John Butler's parents and brother and sister's up to the present day. I just cannot see where to start with his three sons. With the surname of Butler and first names of John, William, Edward and Thomas they are not that uncommon and the 1851 census has their birth place as London which does not help. Unless someone with their research has come down to the three brothers I can see how I can start, if you can suggest a way forward please. > > Thank you >