I have a bit of a puzzle sent to me by a fellow researcher on my tree. We have found the items below but there is a problem as you might see on the 1871. I think that that Alice is actually 3, not 8 when you blow up the image which will tie in with her ages on the other two records. :1861 - 77 Devonshire Street William / head / 40 / Wilts Salisbury Eliza / wife / 36 / Sussex Sarah / daugh / 19 / Walworth Emily / daugh / 17 / Walworth Anne / daugh / 12 / Camberwell William / son / 15 / Camberwell Alice / daugh / 8 / Walworth Matthew / son / 2 / Lambeth 1871 - 77 Devonshire Street William / head / 48 / Wilts Salisbury Eliza / wife / 60 / America Julia / daugh / 18 / Newington Eliza [?] / daugh / 16 / Newington Robert / son / 14 / Newington Alice / daugh 11 / Newington Matthew / son / 9 / Lambeth Alfred / son / 8 / Lambeth Susan / daugh / 6 / Lambeth Elizabeth / daugh / 2 / Lambeth 1881 - 18 New Street, Westminster James GIBSON / head / 47 / Crowland Lincolnshire Alice / wife / 25 / Kennington Alice R E / daugh /1 / Westminster Middlesex Eliza HALE / mother in law / widow / 57 / Lewes Sussex Elizabeth HALE / sister in law / 12 / Kennington So, after William died in 1879 did Eliza go to live with her daughter Alice who had married James Gibson (20 years her senior!) The youngest daughter went with her. So who's this Eliza born in America and aged 60 in 1871? Either a big error or this is someone different (maybe William's mother in law, rather than wife? But then the age is too young). on FindMyPast and there is an Eliza HALL (not HALE), born 1823 (so 48) living in Lambeth but born in Lewes. Could be her? I cant find her on Ancestry. Is there something I am missing? Any help please would be great. Eileen.

The 1861 Eliza and the 1881 would appear to be the same person... HALE is of course a very USA name from very early times a lot of HALE in USA.... I tried to find the family in 1851 census but not getting anywhere. Who are the extra young people in 1871 census - Julia, Eliza and Robert. Should be in 1861 I'd assume but are not... So it is all one of those census messups that is also being discussed today re ages etc... Did enumerator mis understand. Was there a visiting relative and the data got messed up on the transfer from return to report BUT I'd say find the extra children in earlier times Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-09-30 12:55 AM, eileen/pat wrote: > So, after William died in 1879 did Eliza go to live with her daughter Alice > who had married James Gibson (20 years her senior!) The youngest daughter > went with her. So who's this Eliza born in America and aged 60 in 1871?