Hi Peter Thanks for taking the time to look at the entry. The reference to the pub was intended to be a joke - PH is an abbreviation found on Ordnance Survey maps for Public House! Not sure about your remark about Matilda - I had her name as Malindia in my original message. Regards Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 21 Feb 2015, at 23:18, [email protected] wrote: > > Dear Ruth > > It certainly is PH and there is another such annotation on the next page. It could well mean private house. It is implausible that it would be in a hotel except if the father was a publican. Yours is a waterman > > Also I think the second name is Malindia. Compare that to the entry for Matilda above it which looks very different > > Regards, Peter in Melbourne > > > > >> On 22/02/2015, at 10:03 AM, Ruth Appleby via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the suggestion. However, the information is from the original register, and not a transcription. It definitely says "P.H." ..... Perhaps they were christened in the local pub?.... >> >> Ruth >> >

Thanks for the suggestion. However, the information is from the original register, and not a transcription. It definitely says "P.H." ..... Perhaps they were christened in the local pub?.... Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 21 Feb 2015, at 22:23, [email protected] wrote: > > Hello all, > It could be mistaken for P.B. which refers to Private Baptism. Sometimes used when the child was not well. > Yours in Genealogy, > Jan > > -----Original Message----- From: Ruth > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:53 AM > To: 'LONDON Mailing List' Subject: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register > On 8th September 1834 Lucy Malindia was born to her parents John and Mary > Ann PAYNE. They took her to be baptised on 31st January 1835 to All Saints, > Poplar. > Can anyone suggest was the letters "P.H." could stand for? > > Many thanks > Ruth > >

My first guess would be "poor house". Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 20 Feb 2015, at 14:53, Ruth via <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 8th September 1834 Lucy Malindia was born to her parents John and Mary > Ann PAYNE. They took her to be baptised on 31st January 1835 to All Saints, > Poplar. > Her father was a Waterman, and they lived in Poplar. In the box where her > surname is recorded, the clerk has included the letters "P.H." in the bottom > right hand corner. > > Similar letters appear in the surname box of another entry, where the father > is a Mariner. > > Can anyone suggest was the letters "P.H." could stand for? > > Many thanks > Ruth > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 8th September 1834 Lucy Malindia was born to her parents John and Mary Ann PAYNE. They took her to be baptised on 31st January 1835 to All Saints, Poplar. Her father was a Waterman, and they lived in Poplar. In the box where her surname is recorded, the clerk has included the letters "P.H." in the bottom right hand corner. Similar letters appear in the surname box of another entry, where the father is a Mariner. Can anyone suggest was the letters "P.H." could stand for? Many thanks Ruth

Hi Neil I can't answer your query, but FYI (and in case you've not already seen them!) there are some well-researched family trees for the Darbys on Ancestry, some of which which include John Darby's death certificate (he died in 1841 which his why he's not on the census) and notes written on her family by William and Jane's daughter, Maria. BTW, None of the family trees have a marriage for William and Jane - perhaps, as you say, it never took place. Regards Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Turner via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 3:09 PM Subject: [LON] Lost wedding CRESSWELL - DARBY > Hi List, > > I'm trying to find the wedding of William CRESSWELL and "Maria Jane DARBY" > or possibly just plain Jane DARBY sometime between 1841 and 1846. > > I've searched FreeBMD, the IGI and the Ancestry indexes to no avail. > > I realise there may have been no such marriage but I just want to be as > sure > as I can. > > Jane Darby was living with her mother at 43 St.John's St. in the 1841 > census. The P.O. trade directory gives the name of John Darby hat maker at > the address but he's not on the census. > > My next step will be to start a manual search of the surrounding churches > records to see if the wedding shows up but I thought I'd just ask the list > if anyone can help first. > > All suggestions gratefully received, and if you have a certificate even > better. > > > > TIA, > > Neil. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any > excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5736 / Virus Database: 4284/9144 - Release Date: 02/19/15 >

Hello I have made this request before, but maybe new records might help. My great great Grandmother was born Martha Sainsbury in St James Westminster about 1830. She married Daniel Leary in 1851. After his death in the 1860s she then married William Duffy. She had children from her first marriage and (as far as I can tell) just one son, Alexander John Duffy from her second. She is usually in Soho, apart from a few years when the Leary family were in Holborn (beginning of the 1860s). She is in the 1871 census and then she vanishes. I have looked in the 1881 census, I've looked at her Duffy son and his family (he married Althea Maria Hoof), I've looked through online death sources. I just can't find her. Her parents, James and Elizabeth Sainsbury, both died in the 1860s. I know what happened to all the children from her first marriage, (except for one daughter, Maria) - Martha is not with either of her elder daughters in 1881. Maria Leary is also a puzzle. Aged 4 she appears in the 1861 census, where the family is named as Oleary. Daniel Leary was a silk dyer and he's been easy to follow. They were involved in an inquest, when the baby of the family (also Daniel) died unexpectedly (accidental death was the verdict). I would love to be able to track down what happened to Martha (by then Duffy) after 1871, and her daughter, Maria, after 1861. By the 1900s the 2 elder daughters, Annie (or Ann) and Margaret, both married, were living in Southwark in Warner Street. Any help anyone can give me with Martha Duffy post 1871 and Maria Leary post 1861, would be superb. Some of the problem may be that the Westminster records are not online. Many thanks Lottie Alexander This email and any files transmitted with it were intended solely for the addressee. If you have received this email in error please let the sender know by return. Please think before you print.

Hi List, I'm trying to find the wedding of William CRESSWELL and "Maria Jane DARBY" or possibly just plain Jane DARBY sometime between 1841 and 1846. I've searched FreeBMD, the IGI and the Ancestry indexes to no avail. I realise there may have been no such marriage but I just want to be as sure as I can. Jane Darby was living with her mother at 43 St.John's St. in the 1841 census. The P.O. trade directory gives the name of John Darby hat maker at the address but he's not on the census. My next step will be to start a manual search of the surrounding churches records to see if the wedding shows up but I thought I'd just ask the list if anyone can help first. All suggestions gratefully received, and if you have a certificate even better. TIA, Neil.

Hi all Amy & James married on 5 Feb 1877 at St Anne Soho. I've only seen a transcribed entry on Ancestry which gives James age as 25 hence born 1852, his father being James DRAPER. Amy's age is also given as 25 but I know from her birth cert that she was actually born 1847, in Marylebone. Amy was previously married to Charles PEARSON (from marr cert) or PIERSON as in 1871 census. Basically what I'm trying to track is Amy and James from 1877. I cannot find a James DRAPER with James as father. Have access to FMP only but unable to track any movement after this date. If anyone would like to have a go I'd be very grateful. Thanks Andy

Hi, all -    All names and some further details from the following parish mags. are accessible at no cost at www.originaldatabases.co.uk (GHD Database): HOXTON, St Saviour, 1889 - 12 mags, 972 Database entries. BARNET, Christ Church, 1898 - 12 mags, 413 Database entries. KENSAL GREEN, St Jude, 1911 - 12 mags, 663 Database entries.   It's best to search by surname, then the Source field will show whether a Result is indeed from the required magazines.  Viewing In Context then displays the records as entered from Source.   Might be worth a look!   Gerry.

Hi All, I recently emailed this list about getting the birth certificate of Elizabeth (Edith) COURT, daughter of David (Thomas William) and Eliza. Her baptism (at Market Lavington, her mother's birth place) gave a birth date of 30 May 1860 and a census gave St Luke as the birth place. The GRO had told me "We have searched the indexes for events registered in England and Wales during the years specified (1859-1861). We have been unable to find any entry with the details you provided." After considering the responses I had to my email I contacted the registrars currently covering the Shoreditch and St Luke areas giving the facts above and asking if a certificate could be ordered for an Elizabeth, mother Eliza, probably born 30 May 1860 and somewhere in the general St Luke vicinity. St Luke responded they couldn't do that and Shoreditch said they had a certificate for Elizabeth COURT, mother Eliza. This seemed promising and I ordered it. This morning I received it. It is for an Elizabeth COURT b 23 May 1860, Workhouse, Shoreditch, mother Eliza COURT (maiden name and no father given). Unfortunately this is unlikely to be my Elizabeth. But it is strange that the birth was registered 30 May 1860 . So I can see 3 possibilities :_ This certificate is the right one but the details are wrong. Elizabeth was registered under her mother's maiden name (which I don't know as I can't find a marriage). Elizabeth was not registered at birth. Can anyone see any other possibilities? Any help greatly appreciated. Christine Further details for anyone looking :- The birth certificate I have received is the one shown for Elizabeth COURT b Q2 Shoreditch. Elizabeth was "adopted" by William BENSON and is shown in some censuses as Elizabeth BENSON. William BENSON was born 18 May 1806, Carlisle but was in London by 1841. Elizabeth was his step granddaughter by Elizabeth PLATT who had married David COURT before William. Elizabeth has 2 siblings David William, 1862 and Agnes B, 1870. I cannot find a registration for Agnes. However I am about to order one for David. I hope this one proves to be a correct one. Elizabeth m Charles White.

Thank you so much to all those who answered my question . Just discovered Salome and Elizabeth Martha , both wives of Daniel James BUNNING were sisters nee BUNSTONE . My cousin discovered this today . News to both of us . Maybe this is why Daniel had to pay 200 pounds to the church . Salome was supposed to have been born in Italy but yet to find confirmation of this . I did appreciate time taken to answer . kind regards Shirley

Could someone please explain the following . Daniel James BUNNING of the Parish of Saint George , Bloomsbury in the County of Middlesex, Surveyor . “ are holden and firmly bound to the Right reverend Father in God WILLIAM by Divine Permission Bishop of London , in the sum of Two Hundred Pounds of lawful Money of Great Britain , to be paid to the said Right Reverend Father , or his certain Attorney, Executors . Administrators, or Assigns : to which payment , well and truly to be made , we bind ourselves , and each of us by himself , for the whole , our Heirs , Executors and Administrators , firmly by these Presents , Sealed our Seals . Dated 21st Day of April in the year of our Lord 1814 . The condition of this Obligation is such, That if hereafter there shall not appear any lawful Let or Impediment, by Reason of any Pre contract , Consanguinty , Affinity, or any other lawful Means whatsoever, but that the above bounden . ‘ Daniel James BUNNING , a Widower . “ He married Elizabeth Martha BUNSTONE . 21 yrs mar 31/8/1818 A surname strangely given to his son James Bunstone BUNNING , born 1802 , an Architect , parents Daniel James BUNNING and Salome ???? . She was an Italian . mar abt 1798. She died 2/2/ 1813 , 34 yrs . buried 6.2.1813 , St George , Bloomsbury . All the above taken from the LMA records . Why this payment to the Church after Salome had died , was this because she was Italian ?????? I have never found the first marriage . Also why was her son given the middle name of his father’s second wife’s maiden surname . There has to be a connection not yet found , James Bunstone was b 1802 , the 2nd marriage 1818 . Interesting family of Architects , builders . Trying to connect this branch of the family to mine in New Zealand also older half brothers of my grgrand father moved to Australia , all descended from William and Mary COOPER 1st wife and , Henreitta SALTHOUSE 2nd wife . My line . Shirley NZ

Hi Shirley The bond if that is what it was, was a pledge to pay *if* there was found to be an impediment to the marriage It does not generally mean the bond was ever paid Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/02/2015 08:29, Shirley Brown via wrote: > Thank you so much to all those who answered my question . Just discovered Salome and Elizabeth Martha , both wives of Daniel James BUNNING were sisters nee BUNSTONE . My cousin discovered this today . News to both of us . Maybe this is why Daniel had to pay 200 pounds to the church . Salome was supposed to have been born in Italy but yet to find confirmation of this . > > I did appreciate time taken to answer . > > kind regards > > Shirley

Very briefly Shirley it means that if either Daniel or Elizabeth were committing bigamy or there is another impediment Daniel will be fined £200. Why the marriage only took place 4 years later is strange. Christine

On 06/02/2015 9:15 PM, Shirley Brown via wrote: > Could someone please explain the following . > > Daniel James BUNNING of the Parish of Saint George , Bloomsbury in the County of Middlesex, Surveyor . > > “ are holden and firmly bound to the Right reverend Father in God WILLIAM by Divine Permission Bishop of London , in the sum of Two Hundred Pounds of lawful Money of Great Britain , to be paid to the said Right Reverend Father , or his certain Attorney, Executors . Administrators, or Assigns : to which payment , well and truly to be made , we bind ourselves , and each of us by himself , for the whole , our Heirs , Executors and Administrators , firmly by these Presents , Sealed our Seals . Dated 21st Day of April in the year of our Lord 1814 . > > The condition of this Obligation is such, That if hereafter there shall not appear any lawful Let or Impediment, by Reason of any Pre contract , Consanguinty , Affinity, or any other lawful Means whatsoever, but that the above bounden . ‘ Daniel James BUNNING , a Widower . “ > > > He married Elizabeth Martha BUNSTONE . 21 yrs mar 31/8/1818 > > A surname strangely given to his son James Bunstone BUNNING , born 1802 , an Architect , parents Daniel James BUNNING and Salome ???? . She was an Italian . mar abt 1798. She died 2/2/ 1813 , 34 yrs . buried 6.2.1813 , St George , Bloomsbury . > > All the above taken from the LMA records . Why this payment to the Church after Salome had died , was this because she was Italian ?????? I have never found the first marriage . Also why was her son given the middle name of his father’s second wife’s maiden surname . There has to be a connection not yet found , James Bunstone was b 1802 , the 2nd marriage 1818 . > > Interesting family of Architects , builders . Trying to connect this branch of the family to mine in New Zealand also older half brothers of my grgrand father moved to Australia , all descended from William and Mary COOPER 1st wife and , Henreitta SALTHOUSE 2nd wife . My line . > > Shirley NZ > Is this the full transcript? Kind regards, John Henley

Hi Caroline, Many thanks for your reply. I am now thinking about the distinct possibility Elizabeth was registered under Eliza's maiden name. My reply to Nivard should be on the list very shortly. If you can think of anything in regard to the points I have raised there I would be very grateful. Thanks again Christine -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Bradford Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 3:05 PM To: Christine Benson Cc: London Mailing List Subject: Re: [LON] Elizabeth Edith COURT You were right to give the date of 1 January. This is what the GRO suggest if you don't know the exact date (or even quarter). And they should search for the whole of that year and those either side. But if you specify any other details, such as a father's name, they will not issue a certificate unless the details match. My guess is that that was the stumbling block in this case. So either the certificate does not exist (because the birth was never registered or registered under a different name) or the certificate does exist but with a father's name different from the one you expected. The system is helpful *sometimes* but it is not foolproof. From time to time there is nothing for it but to order a cert on spec and take the financial hit if it is "wrong". One way we could all limit the damage and help each other out is to add postems to all the entries on FreeBMD for which we have certificates or other documented evidence of details. A late New Year resolution everyone? Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 6 Feb 2015, at 14:16, Christine Benson via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Diane, > > Many thanks for your reply. As I understand it quoting 01/01/1860 as the > date but NOT giving a specific reference will get them to search a year > either side and part of the GRO’s reply was > “We have searched the indexes for events registered in England and Wales > during the years specified (1859-1861). We have been unable to find any > entry with the details you provided." > When I ordered the certificate I gave Elizabeth COURT as the name, > omitting > Edith. Sorry I did not make that clear. > > Thanks again > > Christine > > From: Diane Wynne > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 8:45 AM > To: Christine Benson > Cc: London Mailing List > Subject: Re: [LON] Elizabeth Edith COURT > > When ordering a certificate with a with a specific reference (quarter, > year, > district, volume and page no) and specify the date of birth as 01/01/1860 > for the indexed reference, then this is the date they will check on the > original certificate. So if her birth was in May then you will be told > that > the details do not match even if the father´s name could have been > correct. > Since the birth you found in Shoreditch registration district is the only > possible one (St Lukes is in that area), if it was me, I would reorder it > without specifying a date of birth or father´s name if you are unsure of > that. OK it could cost you 9.25 GBP but at least you would know if it was > correct. > > Diane > > On 6 February 2015 at 01:21, Christine Benson via <[email protected]> > wrote: > Hi All, > > Elizabeth Edith COURT was born c 1860, St Luke, London according to the > 1861 > census. She appears to have been the daughter of David Thomas (William) > COURT and ELIZA. She was baptized at Market Lavington, Wiltshire on 18 Aug > 1861 and that gives a birth date of 30 May 1860. That confirms the parents > but unfortunately no image is available so I can't check the dates. > (Market > Lavington was her mother's birth place.) > > The only birth I can find that appears to match is for Elizabeth COURT b > Q2 > 1860, Shoreditch. > > Does Shoreditch correspond with St Luke? > > I ordered a certificate specifying born 01/01/1860 in London so they would > search a year either side. I think I gave the father's name as David but I > cannot remember exactly and the acknowledgment email does not give those > details. Although I thought it was probably the Shoreditch one I was > trying > to get the right one if it wasn't. The GRO say they cannot find a > certificate with the details I specified. Of course they refunded the > money. > > So before I order the Shoreditch certificate which is the only one I can > find that matches, (my hope being that he called himself Thomas, say, on > the > certificate,) but might well not be the right one, can anyone shed any > more > light on the matter, suggest an alternative birth registration, or give > any > more useful info. > > (In some censuses she is shown with the surname BENSON as she was > "adopted" > by her step-grandfather William BENSON who refers to her in his will as my > adopted daughter.) > > Any help gratefully received > > Christine

Hi Nivard, Many thanks for your reply. As I understand it quoting 01/01/1860 as the date but NOT giving a specific reference will get them to search a year either side and part of the GRO’s reply was “We have searched the indexes for events registered in England and Wales during the years specified (1859-1861). We have been unable to find any entry with the details you provided." Also I entered 1860 on one page. Then on the next page it says "Date of birth (dd/mm/yyyy)* (If you do not know the exact date enter 01/01/1860, we will search the specified year and one either side)". That is what I did. Unfortunately I cannot find the marriage of her parents, and perhaps they didn't, so I do not know Eliza's maiden name. I have now tried to match up the probable Eliza's b. Market Lavington between 1840 and 1844 with Elizabeth's b St Luke but cannot find any matching surnames. The thought of her registered under her mother's maiden name is a good one though but it is not possible to order without a surname. Might it be possible to order from the relevant reg. office without a surname? I have also searched on the 4 most probable surnames for Eliza for an Elizabeth birth but found nothing that seems likely. Are you saying that you do not believe the Shoreditch birth could be the correct one? Or that you believe there are other possibilities? The second name of the Clerkenwell birth was Emma. Whilst I can see the name Edith might have been omitted I think it less likely it would have morphed from Emma. Can you think of any way I could order a certificate for an Elizabeth born 30 May 1860? That date must be a distinct possibility. (The one shown on her baptism.) Thanks again. Any other suggestions would be very welcome. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 9:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LON] Elizabeth Edith COURT Hi Christine St Lukes should be registered under St Lukes which was a separate registration district then First observation, if you had used a checking point of 1860 (rather than 1st Jan 1860) you may have got the certificate However it may well have been the wrong one, as in 1860 there is another Elizabeth E COURT b1860 born Clerkenwell, which does come under Shoreditch Given the age of the mother (20) in 1861 is it not possible Elizabeth was born before they married (assuming they did) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/02/2015 00:21, Christine Benson via wrote: > Hi All, > > Elizabeth Edith COURT was born c 1860, St Luke, London according to the > 1861 > census. She appears to have been the daughter of David Thomas (William) > COURT and ELIZA. She was baptized at Market Lavington, Wiltshire on 18 Aug > 1861 and that gives a birth date of 30 May 1860. That confirms the parents > but unfortunately no image is available so I can't check the dates. > (Market > Lavington was her mother's birth place.) > > The only birth I can find that appears to match is for Elizabeth COURT b > Q2 > 1860, Shoreditch. > > Does Shoreditch correspond with St Luke? > > I ordered a certificate specifying born 01/01/1860 in London so they would > search a year either side. I think I gave the father's name as David but I > cannot remember exactly and the acknowledgment email does not give those > details. Although I thought it was probably the Shoreditch one I was > trying > to get the right one if it wasn't. The GRO say they cannot find a > certificate with the details I specified. Of course they refunded the > money. > > So before I order the Shoreditch certificate which is the only one I can > find that matches, (my hope being that he called himself Thomas, say, on > the > certificate,) but might well not be the right one, can anyone shed any > more > light on the matter, suggest an alternative birth registration, or give > any > more useful info. > > (In some censuses she is shown with the surname BENSON as she was > "adopted" > by her step-grandfather William BENSON who refers to her in his will as my > adopted daughter.) > > Any help gratefully received > > Christine

You were right to give the date of 1 January. This is what the GRO suggest if you don't know the exact date (or even quarter). And they should search for the whole of that year and those either side. But if you specify any other details, such as a father's name, they will not issue a certificate unless the details match. My guess is that that was the stumbling block in this case. So either the certificate does not exist (because the birth was never registered or registered under a different name) or the certificate does exist but with a father's name different from the one you expected. The system is helpful *sometimes* but it is not foolproof. From time to time there is nothing for it but to order a cert on spec and take the financial hit if it is "wrong". One way we could all limit the damage and help each other out is to add postems to all the entries on FreeBMD for which we have certificates or other documented evidence of details. A late New Year resolution everyone? Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 6 Feb 2015, at 14:16, Christine Benson via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Diane, > > Many thanks for your reply. As I understand it quoting 01/01/1860 as the > date but NOT giving a specific reference will get them to search a year > either side and part of the GRO’s reply was > “We have searched the indexes for events registered in England and Wales > during the years specified (1859-1861). We have been unable to find any > entry with the details you provided." > When I ordered the certificate I gave Elizabeth COURT as the name, omitting > Edith. Sorry I did not make that clear. > > Thanks again > > Christine > > From: Diane Wynne > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 8:45 AM > To: Christine Benson > Cc: London Mailing List > Subject: Re: [LON] Elizabeth Edith COURT > > When ordering a certificate with a with a specific reference (quarter, year, > district, volume and page no) and specify the date of birth as 01/01/1860 > for the indexed reference, then this is the date they will check on the > original certificate. So if her birth was in May then you will be told that > the details do not match even if the father´s name could have been correct. > Since the birth you found in Shoreditch registration district is the only > possible one (St Lukes is in that area), if it was me, I would reorder it > without specifying a date of birth or father´s name if you are unsure of > that. OK it could cost you 9.25 GBP but at least you would know if it was > correct. > > Diane > > On 6 February 2015 at 01:21, Christine Benson via <[email protected]> > wrote: > Hi All, > > Elizabeth Edith COURT was born c 1860, St Luke, London according to the 1861 > census. She appears to have been the daughter of David Thomas (William) > COURT and ELIZA. She was baptized at Market Lavington, Wiltshire on 18 Aug > 1861 and that gives a birth date of 30 May 1860. That confirms the parents > but unfortunately no image is available so I can't check the dates. (Market > Lavington was her mother's birth place.) > > The only birth I can find that appears to match is for Elizabeth COURT b Q2 > 1860, Shoreditch. > > Does Shoreditch correspond with St Luke? > > I ordered a certificate specifying born 01/01/1860 in London so they would > search a year either side. I think I gave the father's name as David but I > cannot remember exactly and the acknowledgment email does not give those > details. Although I thought it was probably the Shoreditch one I was trying > to get the right one if it wasn't. The GRO say they cannot find a > certificate with the details I specified. Of course they refunded the money. > > So before I order the Shoreditch certificate which is the only one I can > find that matches, (my hope being that he called himself Thomas, say, on the > certificate,) but might well not be the right one, can anyone shed any more > light on the matter, suggest an alternative birth registration, or give any > more useful info. > > (In some censuses she is shown with the surname BENSON as she was "adopted" > by her step-grandfather William BENSON who refers to her in his will as my > adopted daughter.) > > Any help gratefully received > > Christine > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But if you gave 1st Jan 1860 They would surely check the 1st of Jan 1861 & 1st Jan 1859 Not every date between, otherwise they are ignoring the checking points Perhaps they can explain if that was the case Hence why I said it would be better to just state the year 1860 only Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/02/2015 14:16, Christine Benson via wrote: > Hi Diane, > > Many thanks for your reply. As I understand it quoting 01/01/1860 as the > date but NOT giving a specific reference will get them to search a year > either side and part of the GRO’s reply was > “We have searched the indexes for events registered in England and Wales > during the years specified (1859-1861). We have been unable to find any > entry with the details you provided." > When I ordered the certificate I gave Elizabeth COURT as the name, omitting > Edith. Sorry I did not make that clear. > > Thanks again > > Christine

Hi Diane, Many thanks for your reply. As I understand it quoting 01/01/1860 as the date but NOT giving a specific reference will get them to search a year either side and part of the GRO’s reply was “We have searched the indexes for events registered in England and Wales during the years specified (1859-1861). We have been unable to find any entry with the details you provided." When I ordered the certificate I gave Elizabeth COURT as the name, omitting Edith. Sorry I did not make that clear. Thanks again Christine From: Diane Wynne Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 8:45 AM To: Christine Benson Cc: London Mailing List Subject: Re: [LON] Elizabeth Edith COURT When ordering a certificate with a with a specific reference (quarter, year, district, volume and page no) and specify the date of birth as 01/01/1860 for the indexed reference, then this is the date they will check on the original certificate. So if her birth was in May then you will be told that the details do not match even if the father´s name could have been correct. Since the birth you found in Shoreditch registration district is the only possible one (St Lukes is in that area), if it was me, I would reorder it without specifying a date of birth or father´s name if you are unsure of that. OK it could cost you 9.25 GBP but at least you would know if it was correct. Diane On 6 February 2015 at 01:21, Christine Benson via <[email protected]> wrote: Hi All, Elizabeth Edith COURT was born c 1860, St Luke, London according to the 1861 census. She appears to have been the daughter of David Thomas (William) COURT and ELIZA. She was baptized at Market Lavington, Wiltshire on 18 Aug 1861 and that gives a birth date of 30 May 1860. That confirms the parents but unfortunately no image is available so I can't check the dates. (Market Lavington was her mother's birth place.) The only birth I can find that appears to match is for Elizabeth COURT b Q2 1860, Shoreditch. Does Shoreditch correspond with St Luke? I ordered a certificate specifying born 01/01/1860 in London so they would search a year either side. I think I gave the father's name as David but I cannot remember exactly and the acknowledgment email does not give those details. Although I thought it was probably the Shoreditch one I was trying to get the right one if it wasn't. The GRO say they cannot find a certificate with the details I specified. Of course they refunded the money. So before I order the Shoreditch certificate which is the only one I can find that matches, (my hope being that he called himself Thomas, say, on the certificate,) but might well not be the right one, can anyone shed any more light on the matter, suggest an alternative birth registration, or give any more useful info. (In some censuses she is shown with the surname BENSON as she was "adopted" by her step-grandfather William BENSON who refers to her in his will as my adopted daughter.) Any help gratefully received Christine