Thanks, I was more along the lines of [baptismal rites were conducted at a ‘public house’]. I also am not sure baptisms would take place in a P.H., marriages did. Maybe ‘Parish House’ ?. Bart. ====================

https://books.google.co.za/books?id=ZZ7VAAAAMAAJ&q=Public+House+baptisms&dq=Public+House+baptisms&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Pz7rVI-eEIPfOPy3gIAL&ved=0CBoQ6AEwADgU [In the space for the sponsors' and witnesses' names is the succinct comment, "illegitimate," and it is noted that the baptismal rites were conducted at a "public house." Baptisms and marriages were not uncommonly held in places other than the church in those days.] -----Original Message-----

Hello: It might be that the child was not actually baptized in the church itself, but at a public house ?. There wouldn’t be enough space the write out the full name of the P.H. ?. Bart. === An interesting thought Bart, but I don't see the significance of a Public House in the entries in the baptism register. PH is a common abbreviation used in maps, particularly Ordnance Survey maps, but I've never seen it elsewhere.

Thanks Bart but the child was not illegitimate and the father was an employed waterman. So, I can't imagine any reason why they would baptise their child in a pub! Ruth > To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:57:59 +0200> Subject: Re: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register> From: [email protected]> > https://books.google.co.za/books?id=ZZ7VAAAAMAAJ&q=Public+House+baptisms&dq=Public+House+baptisms&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Pz7rVI-eEIPfOPy3gIAL&ved=0CBoQ6AEwADgU> > [In the space for the sponsors' and witnesses' names is the succinct > comment, "illegitimate," and it is noted that the baptismal rites were > conducted at a "public house." Baptisms and marriages were not uncommonly > held in places other than the church in those days.]> > -----Original Message----- > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess.> > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected]> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 23/02/2015 2:57 PM, Bart Simon via wrote: > https://books.google.co.za/books?id=ZZ7VAAAAMAAJ&q=Public+House+baptisms&dq=Public+House+baptisms&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Pz7rVI-eEIPfOPy3gIAL&ved=0CBoQ6AEwADgU > > [In the space for the sponsors' and witnesses' names is the succinct > comment, "illegitimate," and it is noted that the baptismal rites were > conducted at a "public house." Baptisms and marriages were not uncommonly > held in places other than the church in those days.] > If my memory serves me right, then the only place a marriage could take place after Hardwick's Marriage Act until 1836 was the C.of E. parish church EXCEPT with an Archbishop's Licence (place specified in the Licence) or according to the practice of Jews or of Quakers. The book quoted seems to refer to American practice. Regards John Henley

Common abbreviations or acronyms suggest "PH" would be used for 'Parish' or 'Physician'. On February 23, 2015 1:25:09 PM EST, Bart Simon via <[email protected]> wrote: >Thanks, I was more along the lines of [baptismal rites were conducted >at a ‘public house’]. I also am not sure baptisms would take place in a >P.H., marriages did. Maybe ‘Parish House’ ?. Bart. >==================== > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any >excess. > >Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Yes I agree that area was full of Public Houses and PH is such a highly used acronym for Pubs.. Unless the verger had a special meaning like at private house. obviously not a name as I gather always in Abode. Maybe you asked at the pub for pointers to the family home... -- Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/

An interesting thought Bart, but I don't see the significance of a Public House in the entries in the baptism register.PH is a common abbreviation used in maps, particularly Ordnance Survey maps, but I've never seen it elsewhere. Ruth > To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 02:11:11 +0200> Subject: Re: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register> From: [email protected]> > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/vols43-4/pp842-872> > Hello: If I look at the page above for the vicinity of Poplar, it uses > P.H./p.h. much. One single look up for p.h. here, shows "Public House". It > seems there are a lot of public houses/inns around here, and the merry old > friar knew his watering holes well enough ?. If you go through them, they > are probably all public houses ?. Cheers - Bart.>

Hello Ronald: [Yes I agree that area was full of Public Houses and PH is such a highly used acronym for Pubs]: I have never been to England, but your reply here says much regards PH meaning. [Maybe you asked at the pub for pointers to the family home]: Maybe you can ask the Friar. Cheers - Bart. -----Original Message-----

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/survey-london/vols43-4/pp842-872 Hello: If I look at the page above for the vicinity of Poplar, it uses P.H./p.h. much. One single look up for p.h. here, shows "Public House". It seems there are a lot of public houses/inns around here, and the merry old friar knew his watering holes well enough ?. If you go through them, they are probably all public houses ?. Cheers - Bart. -----Original Message-----

On 22/02/2015 5:52 PM, Tony via wrote: > I am wondering about Pancras Hospital - partly workhouse and about 7 miles > from Poplar which had its own workhouse - leads me to think Poplar Hospital? > On the next page to the Payne entry is a "PH" in the abode column > Tony Sadly, it appears Poplar Hospital opened in 1855. John > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of johnfhhgen via > Sent: 22 February 2015 16:29 > To: Ruth; 'LONDON Mailing List' > Subject: Re: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register > > On 20/02/2015 2:53 PM, Ruth via wrote: >> On 8th September 1834 Lucy Malindia was born to her parents John and >> Mary Ann PAYNE. They took her to be baptised on 31st January 1835 to >> All Saints, Poplar. >> Her father was a Waterman, and they lived in Poplar. In the box where >> her surname is recorded, the clerk has included the letters "P.H." in >> the bottom right hand corner. >> Similar letters appear in the surname box of another entry, where >> the father is a Mariner. >> Can anyone suggest was the letters "P.H." could stand for? >> Many thanks >> Ruth > A very long shot .... PostHumous? (i.e. a parent deceased before birth) Have > you any evidence both parents took her to be baptised? How common is it in > the register? > > Could it conceivably be the initials of another clergyman/parish clerk > adding details later? It was not uncommon for the parents to be told to wait > behind after the Baptisms to fill in the register. I have seen an entry with > Christian names and the marginal note "Parents did not wait". > > Having looked at the entries, it is definitely P.H., and I don't think it is > initials. > > Sorry not to be more help > John Henley > > >

Thanks Tony - a good idea! Ruth -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony via Sent: 22 February 2015 17:53 To: 'LONDON Mailing List' Subject: Re: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register I am wondering about Pancras Hospital - partly workhouse and about 7 miles from Poplar which had its own workhouse - leads me to think Poplar Hospital? On the next page to the Payne entry is a "PH" in the abode column Tony

I am wondering about Pancras Hospital - partly workhouse and about 7 miles from Poplar which had its own workhouse - leads me to think Poplar Hospital? On the next page to the Payne entry is a "PH" in the abode column Tony -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of johnfhhgen via Sent: 22 February 2015 16:29 To: Ruth; 'LONDON Mailing List' Subject: Re: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register On 20/02/2015 2:53 PM, Ruth via wrote: > On 8th September 1834 Lucy Malindia was born to her parents John and > Mary Ann PAYNE. They took her to be baptised on 31st January 1835 to > All Saints, Poplar. > Her father was a Waterman, and they lived in Poplar. In the box where > her surname is recorded, the clerk has included the letters "P.H." in > the bottom right hand corner. > Similar letters appear in the surname box of another entry, where > the father is a Mariner. > Can anyone suggest was the letters "P.H." could stand for? > Many thanks > Ruth A very long shot .... PostHumous? (i.e. a parent deceased before birth) Have you any evidence both parents took her to be baptised? How common is it in the register? Could it conceivably be the initials of another clergyman/parish clerk adding details later? It was not uncommon for the parents to be told to wait behind after the Baptisms to fill in the register. I have seen an entry with Christian names and the marginal note "Parents did not wait". Having looked at the entries, it is definitely P.H., and I don't think it is initials. Sorry not to be more help John Henley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Nivard. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: 22 February 2015 16:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register You had the thoughts as I did John The PH appears about every other page I would say on average My guess is its some personal abbreviation made up by the clerk or vicar, to mean (a baptism in a) private house or similar Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

You had the thoughts as I did John The PH appears about every other page I would say on average My guess is its some personal abbreviation made up by the clerk or vicar, to mean (a baptism in a) private house or similar Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > A very long shot .... PostHumous? (i.e. a parent deceased before birth) > Have you any evidence both parents took her to be baptised? How common > is it in the register? > > Could it conceivably be the initials of another clergyman/parish clerk > adding details later? It was not uncommon for the parents to be told to > wait behind after the Baptisms to fill in the register. I have seen an > entry with Christian names and the marginal note "Parents did not wait". > > Having looked at the entries, it is definitely P.H., and I don't think > it is initials. > > Sorry not to be more help > John Henley

On 20/02/2015 2:53 PM, Ruth via wrote: > On 8th September 1834 Lucy Malindia was born to her parents John and Mary > Ann PAYNE. They took her to be baptised on 31st January 1835 to All Saints, > Poplar. > Her father was a Waterman, and they lived in Poplar. In the box where her > surname is recorded, the clerk has included the letters "P.H." in the bottom > right hand corner. > Similar letters appear in the surname box of another entry, where the father > is a Mariner. > Can anyone suggest was the letters "P.H." could stand for? > Many thanks > Ruth A very long shot .... PostHumous? (i.e. a parent deceased before birth) Have you any evidence both parents took her to be baptised? How common is it in the register? Could it conceivably be the initials of another clergyman/parish clerk adding details later? It was not uncommon for the parents to be told to wait behind after the Baptisms to fill in the register. I have seen an entry with Christian names and the marginal note "Parents did not wait". Having looked at the entries, it is definitely P.H., and I don't think it is initials. Sorry not to be more help John Henley

Thank you Judy. All contributions gratefully received! Ruth > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:45:04 +0000 > > Ruth, > > All I can suggest is that it might stand for "Private - Half", as in > half-baptised and received into the church at a later date. But I can't say > I've ever seen a private baptism abbreviated in exactly that form. > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > >

Ruth, All I can suggest is that it might stand for "Private - Half", as in half-baptised and received into the church at a later date. But I can't say I've ever seen a private baptism abbreviated in exactly that form. HTH Judy London, UK > > > >> On 22/02/2015, at 10:03 AM, Ruth Appleby via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the suggestion. However, the information is from the original register, and not a transcription. It definitely says "P.H." .....

Dear Ruth It certainly is PH and there is another such annotation on the next page. It could well mean private house. It is implausible that it would be in a hotel except if the father was a publican. Yours is a waterman Also I think the second name is Malindia. Compare that to the entry for Matilda above it which looks very different Regards, Peter in Melbourne On 22/02/2015, at 10:03 AM, Ruth Appleby via <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. However, the information is from the original register, and not a transcription. It definitely says "P.H." ..... Perhaps they were christened in the local pub?.... > > Ruth > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 21 Feb 2015, at 22:23, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> It could be mistaken for P.B. which refers to Private Baptism. Sometimes used when the child was not well. >> Yours in Genealogy, >> Jan >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ruth >> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:53 AM >> To: 'LONDON Mailing List' Subject: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register >> On 8th September 1834 Lucy Malindia was born to her parents John and Mary >> Ann PAYNE. They took her to be baptised on 31st January 1835 to All Saints, >> Poplar. >> Can anyone suggest was the letters "P.H." could stand for? >> >> Many thanks >> Ruth >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, It could be mistaken for P.B. which refers to Private Baptism. Sometimes used when the child was not well. Yours in Genealogy, Jan -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:53 AM To: 'LONDON Mailing List' Subject: [LON] All Saints Poplar - query in Baptism Register On 8th September 1834 Lucy Malindia was born to her parents John and Mary Ann PAYNE. They took her to be baptised on 31st January 1835 to All Saints, Poplar. Can anyone suggest was the letters "P.H." could stand for? Many thanks Ruth