Hello: At a glance only: You write her name as [Leah Louisa Lee], but it seems to be [Louisa Leah Lee] ?. If you have the correct [Louisa Leah Lee] b:1839-10-07 Southampton (!!!), then you have the wrong marriage!. Do you have the correct [Louisa Leah Lee] ?. Exactly where was she born and who were parents ?. Bart. === According to Leah Louisa Lee's birth certificate she was born 7 Oct 1839. When she married 18 July 1864 to Giacinto BARTOLOMEI she is said to be a minor and needed her father's consent. On the Marriage Bonds & Allegations document it states she is 20 yrs old. ===

Hi Marg If the marriage is the right one, it suggests you have the wrong birth cert I have seen many marrying stating they were of full age when they were not but have never seen one of full age stating they were a minor Try a search for Giacinto BARTOLOMEI where you should find the following Name: Giacinto Bartolomei Age: 21 Birth Year: abt 1843 Event Date: 16 Jul 1864 Parish: St James Spouse's Name: Louisa Lee Spouse's Age: 20 Spouse's Parish: St James Spouse's County: Middlesex Event Type: Allegation Reference Number: DL/A/D/010/MS/10091/241/00 Which shows she was 20 but under 21 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/04/2015 18:41, Margaret Cambridge via wrote: > According to Leah Louisa LEE's birth certificate she was born 7 Oct 1839. > When she married 18 July 1864 to Giacinto BARTOLOMEI she is said to be a minor and needed her father's consent. On the Marriage Bonds & Allegations document it states she is 20 yrs old. > > Does anyone have any idea why this would be. > > Thank you, > > Marg

Marg, how sure are you that you have the right birth certificate? Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Cambridge via Sent: 14 April 2015 18:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [LON] BARTOLOMEI/LEE , Leah Louisa marriage age of consent question According to Leah Louisa LEE's birth certificate she was born 7 Oct 1839. When she married 18 July 1864 to Giacinto BARTOLOMEI she is said to be a minor and needed her father's consent. On the Marriage Bonds & Allegations document it states she is 20 yrs old. Does anyone have any idea why this would be. Thank you, Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Sorry - I obviously cannot do maths! In that case I would say she was telling a white lie about her age! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Hedgcock via" <[email protected]> To: "Margaret Cambridge" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [LON] BARTOLOMEI/LEE ,Leah Louisa marriage age of consent question > Hi Marg > > She was under 21 so was deemed a minor. > > http://www.genfiles.com/articles/legal-age/ > > This is interesting reading. > > HTH > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Cambridge via" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 6:41 PM > Subject: [LON] BARTOLOMEI/LEE , Leah Louisa marriage age of consent > question > > >> According to Leah Louisa LEE's birth certificate she was born 7 Oct 1839. >> When she married 18 July 1864 to Giacinto BARTOLOMEI she is said to be a >> minor and needed her father's consent. On the Marriage Bonds & >> Allegations document it states she is 20 yrs old. >> >> Does anyone have any idea why this would be. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Marg >>>From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any >> excess. >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any > excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marg She was under 21 so was deemed a minor. http://www.genfiles.com/articles/legal-age/ This is interesting reading. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Cambridge via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 6:41 PM Subject: [LON] BARTOLOMEI/LEE , Leah Louisa marriage age of consent question > According to Leah Louisa LEE's birth certificate she was born 7 Oct 1839. > When she married 18 July 1864 to Giacinto BARTOLOMEI she is said to be a > minor and needed her father's consent. On the Marriage Bonds & > Allegations document it states she is 20 yrs old. > > Does anyone have any idea why this would be. > > Thank you, > > Marg >>From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any > excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

According to Leah Louisa LEE's birth certificate she was born 7 Oct 1839. When she married 18 July 1864 to Giacinto BARTOLOMEI she is said to be a minor and needed her father's consent. On the Marriage Bonds & Allegations document it states she is 20 yrs old. Does anyone have any idea why this would be. Thank you, Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Hi there I was wondering whether death notices are inserted in London newspapers these days. A NZ death notice often contains death details and a good list of family members so I was wondering whether this also happens in London. Would there be a copy online, or in a local library? In that case, which paper / library should I be looking for to obtain a transcription? I am looking for the notice of Julia Richardson of Highgate, London, died 23 March 2015. Many thanks in anticipation Elizabeth O’Connell New Zealand

You could try this website for a start. http://www.iannounce.co.uk/ Ron On 30/03/2015 05:41, EM OConnell via wrote: > Hi there > > I was wondering whether death notices are inserted in London newspapers these days. A NZ death notice often contains death details and a good list of family members so I was wondering whether this also happens in London. Would there be a copy online, or in a local library? In that case, which paper / library should I be looking for to obtain a transcription? > > I am looking for the notice of Julia Richardson of Highgate, London, died 23 March 2015. > > Many thanks in anticipation > Elizabeth O’Connell > New Zealand > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

> I am trying to find out if any parts of Fulham, SW6, suffered bomb > damage during the Second World War? > The area of particular interest is bounded by Dawes Rd/Estcourt > Rd/Rylstone Rd/Sherbrooke Rd and would include the Church of St. Thomas > of Canterbury and its adjoining graveyard, and the nearby St. Thomas > Primary School. > > Any suggestions re. potential sources of information will be most welcome. > > This enquiry is directly related to my family history research, and my > ongoing search for a missing family grave. > > Mal in W. Australia > Hi Program called Bomb Site www.bombsight.org.Searchable map of Bombs dropped London Blitz 1940 1941 Nick --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I am trying to find out if any parts of Fulham, SW6, suffered bomb damage during the Second World War? The area of particular interest is bounded by Dawes Rd/Estcourt Rd/Rylstone Rd/Sherbrooke Rd and would include the Church of St. Thomas of Canterbury and its adjoining graveyard, and the nearby St. Thomas Primary School. Any suggestions re. potential sources of information will be most welcome. This enquiry is directly related to my family history research, and my ongoing search for a missing family grave. Mal in W. Australia

This is the book that John is thinking of; http://www.topsoc.org/twentieth-century Limited edition publication. Comes up every now and then on Ebay and goes for anything between GBP400-GBP800. I seem to recall that each borough has sheets of their own area so would suggest you get in touch with Hammersmith & Fulham Council - http://www.lbhf.gov.uk/Directory/Leisure_and_Culture/Libraries/Archives/17430_Archives_and_Local_History.asp HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnfhhgen via" <[email protected]> To: "mal parr" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [LON] BOMB DAMAGE IN FULHAM IN WWII > On 20/03/2015 1:22 PM, mal parr via wrote: >> I am trying to find out if any parts of Fulham, SW6, suffered bomb >> damage during the Second World War? >> The area of particular interest is bounded by Dawes Rd/Estcourt >> Rd/Rylstone Rd/Sherbrooke Rd and would include the Church of St. Thomas >> of Canterbury and its adjoining graveyard, and the nearby St. Thomas >> Primary School. >> Any suggestions re. potential sources of information will be most >> welcome. >> This enquiry is directly related to my family history research, and my >> ongoing search for a missing family grave. >> Mal in W. Australia >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Nivard's Bombsight site is an excellent starting point, but be aware > that it is limited to 7thOct.1940-June 1941. Fulham was suffered heaving > bombing in September 1940, > so you may need to look further. > > St.Thomas's is still going, and has a website. > Should be able to tell you if the graveyard was bombed. > > Fulham Cemetery may have been bombed .. I'll try and ask someone who may > remember. > > Hammersmith and Fulham Archives (Google) should have info. > > There may also be something in the London Metropolitan Archives. > > I*think* the London Topographical Society may have published a volume of > Bomb Maps. > > Regards, > John Henley > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any > excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On 20/03/2015 1:22 PM, mal parr via wrote: > I am trying to find out if any parts of Fulham, SW6, suffered bomb > damage during the Second World War? > The area of particular interest is bounded by Dawes Rd/Estcourt > Rd/Rylstone Rd/Sherbrooke Rd and would include the Church of St. Thomas > of Canterbury and its adjoining graveyard, and the nearby St. Thomas > Primary School. > Any suggestions re. potential sources of information will be most welcome. > This enquiry is directly related to my family history research, and my > ongoing search for a missing family grave. > Mal in W. Australia > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nivard's Bombsight site is an excellent starting point, but be aware that it is limited to 7thOct.1940-June 1941. Fulham was suffered heaving bombing in September 1940, so you may need to look further. St.Thomas's is still going, and has a website. Should be able to tell you if the graveyard was bombed. Fulham Cemetery may have been bombed .. I'll try and ask someone who may remember. Hammersmith and Fulham Archives (Google) should have info. There may also be something in the London Metropolitan Archives. I*think* the London Topographical Society may have published a volume of Bomb Maps. Regards, John Henley

This is I think what you seek http://bombsight.org/#15/51.5050/-0.0900 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/03/2015 13:22, mal parr via wrote: > I am trying to find out if any parts of Fulham, SW6, suffered bomb > damage during the Second World War? > The area of particular interest is bounded by Dawes Rd/Estcourt > Rd/Rylstone Rd/Sherbrooke Rd and would include the Church of St. Thomas > of Canterbury and its adjoining graveyard, and the nearby St. Thomas > Primary School. > > Any suggestions re. potential sources of information will be most welcome. > > This enquiry is directly related to my family history research, and my > ongoing search for a missing family grave. > > Mal in W. Australia

April, Some staff records for Wandsworth Prison are held at London Metropolitan Archives, in ACC/3444/ST. Details of the holdings are here. http://bit.ly/1D9SacR There are no 'service records' as such, but he might be included in the Registers of Officers, up to 1957. If you can't get there, LMA offers a paid research service. http://bit.ly/1wyox2z HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of April via I am looking for help in getting records about my uncle who a First Officer in the Wandsworth prison during the 1930's and onward. His name was Edwin Robert Pressey who at one time was living near the Crystal Palace before he retired and moved back down to Worthing. He was buried on the day of the Zebrugga disaster 6/3/1987. I never knew or met him although he was my mothers brother. It is his records I would like to have. Thanks. April

Thank you to all who who sent me help with this death notice. Sorry to be long in answering but have eye problems and cannot use the computer every day. Marjorie Fisher, Calgary

I am looking for help in getting records about my uncle who a First Officer in the Wandsworth prison during the 1930's and onward. His name was Edwin Robert Pressey who at one time was living near the Crystal Palace before he retired and moved back down to Worthing. He was buried on the day of the Zebrugga disaster 6/3/1987. I never knew or met him although he was my mothers brother. It is his records I would like to have. Thanks. April

An interesting one, Nicholas. Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act, the onus was very much on the clergy to ensure they did not marry minors without appropriate consent. Where the bride and/or groom were local parishioners this was not a problem. The parents could be asked outright in advance or they could be expected to object when the banns were called. My money would therefore be on the named guardian being that of the groom. Although the banns would have been called in his parish (if he was actually resident there, rather than just "coming from" there), this might not have been enough for the vicar conducting the ceremony. Added to this was the relative rarity of men under 21 marrying. I think he may well have had doubts about the veracity of the consent and required written evidence. Consent from a guardian would only have been valid if both parents were dead. Whether they were or not is another matter :). So far as I am aware, there was no legal requirement for the person g! iving consent to be present. Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 10 Mar 2015, at 19:50, Nicholas Wilson via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I have a copy of the registry entry for my great, great grandfather's > Anglican marriage in 1825 showing *A* guardian had given his assent and > signing to that effect. My problem is since both the bride and groom were > minors at the time whose guardian was it who signed? > > His own father was a rather 'distant' entity so far as my own research goes > so it seems more likely the guardian was his rather than hers, a local girl. > > There is only the one name shown though there were two other apparently > unrelated witnesses who signed. Unfortunately I have not yet established if > her parents were still living but I am pretty sure they were, She was 'of > the parish' he came from a parish about ten miles away. > > Am I right to assume the Church required the guardian to be present at the > ceremony? > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Nick > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Please use PLAIN TEXT only when replying to the list, and trim away any excess. > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have a copy of the registry entry for my great, great grandfather's Anglican marriage in 1825 showing *A* guardian had given his assent and signing to that effect. My problem is since both the bride and groom were minors at the time whose guardian was it who signed? His own father was a rather 'distant' entity so far as my own research goes so it seems more likely the guardian was his rather than hers, a local girl. There is only the one name shown though there were two other apparently unrelated witnesses who signed. Unfortunately I have not yet established if her parents were still living but I am pretty sure they were, She was 'of the parish' he came from a parish about ten miles away. Am I right to assume the Church required the guardian to be present at the ceremony? Any ideas? Thanks, Nick

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I found the following on the internet and would appreciate if any lister knows where I could find a copy of this death notice. Albert Robertson Eynesford Jacobs in the London, England, Death Notices from The Times, 1982-1988. Name: Albert Robertson E Jacobs Birth Date: 23 Mar 1900 Date of Registration: Mar 1982 Age at Death: 82 Registration district: Surrey North Western Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 17 Page: 0605 Marjorie Fisher in Calgary, Alberta