Nice theory Judy, I hadn't considered that. Would certainly make sense Thanks Steve On 12/09/2015 12:38, Judy Lester wrote: > I agree with Nivard that it means Gentleman. I would suggest it's actually > written 'Gen' with an upwards extension to the final n, perhaps reflecting > the suspension that would have appeared in the original Latin word > 'gen[erosus]' (= gentleman). > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Steve Lancaster via > Sent: 12 September 2015 12:03 > > They may well be different hands, I couldn't quite convince myself one > way or the other. But if you look at just the handwriting for Jno > Bodicoate the obvious 't's are very different to the last letter in the > mystery word, which looks more like one of his 'd's. > > It's possible that he has a very different 't' if it appears at the end > of a word rather than the middle, and the word is indeed Gent, but felt > I was clutching at straws so would value a second opinion from the list > > Thanks > Steve Lancaster > > On 12/09/2015 11:49, Nivard Ovington via wrote: >> Does it not say Gent (for Gentleman) ? >> >> The other Gent you mention appears to be in different hand >> >> If you compare the C in Char PRICE 9th July to the C in Cha CHAMBERS >> they appear to me to be in different hands >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 12/09/2015 11:30, Steve Lancaster via wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> I have been going through the 'UK Register for Duties Paid for >>> Apprentices Indentures' on Ancestry, and on a few occasions have come >>> across a profession I'm having trouble transcribing. For example if you >>> search for Jno Bodicoate, in the register he is listed as the third on >>> Friday 16th July 1714, 'Jno Bodicoate of London' and then the word I'm >>> having trouble with which should be his profession, begins with a G and >>> looks like 'Gord'. It also occurs against Isaac Marlow, the last entry >>> on the page. >>> >>> I thought the word might be Gent, but on the same page as Jno Bodicoate >>> there is a Matthew Williams, no. 12 on the 14th July, who is very >>> clearly a Gent, the two words look quite different. >>> >>> Any suggestion or knowledge very gratefully received! >>> >>> Steve Lancaster > > > >

I agree with Nivard that it means Gentleman. I would suggest it's actually written 'Gen' with an upwards extension to the final n, perhaps reflecting the suspension that would have appeared in the original Latin word 'gen[erosus]' (= gentleman). HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Lancaster via Sent: 12 September 2015 12:03 They may well be different hands, I couldn't quite convince myself one way or the other. But if you look at just the handwriting for Jno Bodicoate the obvious 't's are very different to the last letter in the mystery word, which looks more like one of his 'd's. It's possible that he has a very different 't' if it appears at the end of a word rather than the middle, and the word is indeed Gent, but felt I was clutching at straws so would value a second opinion from the list Thanks Steve Lancaster On 12/09/2015 11:49, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Does it not say Gent (for Gentleman) ? > > The other Gent you mention appears to be in different hand > > If you compare the C in Char PRICE 9th July to the C in Cha CHAMBERS > they appear to me to be in different hands > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12/09/2015 11:30, Steve Lancaster via wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have been going through the 'UK Register for Duties Paid for >> Apprentices Indentures' on Ancestry, and on a few occasions have come >> across a profession I'm having trouble transcribing. For example if you >> search for Jno Bodicoate, in the register he is listed as the third on >> Friday 16th July 1714, 'Jno Bodicoate of London' and then the word I'm >> having trouble with which should be his profession, begins with a G and >> looks like 'Gord'. It also occurs against Isaac Marlow, the last entry >> on the page. >> >> I thought the word might be Gent, but on the same page as Jno Bodicoate >> there is a Matthew Williams, no. 12 on the 14th July, who is very >> clearly a Gent, the two words look quite different. >> >> Any suggestion or knowledge very gratefully received! >> >> Steve Lancaster

Hi Nivard, They may well be different hands, I couldn't quite convince myself one way or the other. But if you look at just the handwriting for Jno Bodicoate the obvious 't's are very different to the last letter in the mystery word, which looks more like one of his 'd's. It's possible that he has a very different 't' if it appears at the end of a word rather than the middle, and the word is indeed Gent, but felt I was clutching at straws so would value a second opinion from the list Thanks Steve Lancaster On 12/09/2015 11:49, Nivard Ovington via wrote: > Does it not say Gent (for Gentleman) ? > > The other Gent you mention appears to be in different hand > > If you compare the C in Char PRICE 9th July to the C in Cha CHAMBERS > they appear to me to be in different hands > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 12/09/2015 11:30, Steve Lancaster via wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have been going through the 'UK Register for Duties Paid for >> Apprentices Indentures' on Ancestry, and on a few occasions have come >> across a profession I'm having trouble transcribing. For example if you >> search for Jno Bodicoate, in the register he is listed as the third on >> Friday 16th July 1714, 'Jno Bodicoate of London' and then the word I'm >> having trouble with which should be his profession, begins with a G and >> looks like 'Gord'. It also occurs against Isaac Marlow, the last entry >> on the page. >> >> I thought the word might be Gent, but on the same page as Jno Bodicoate >> there is a Matthew Williams, no. 12 on the 14th July, who is very >> clearly a Gent, the two words look quite different. >> >> Any suggestion or knowledge very gratefully received! >> >> Steve Lancaster > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Does it not say Gent (for Gentleman) ? The other Gent you mention appears to be in different hand If you compare the C in Char PRICE 9th July to the C in Cha CHAMBERS they appear to me to be in different hands Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 12/09/2015 11:30, Steve Lancaster via wrote: > Hi > > I have been going through the 'UK Register for Duties Paid for > Apprentices Indentures' on Ancestry, and on a few occasions have come > across a profession I'm having trouble transcribing. For example if you > search for Jno Bodicoate, in the register he is listed as the third on > Friday 16th July 1714, 'Jno Bodicoate of London' and then the word I'm > having trouble with which should be his profession, begins with a G and > looks like 'Gord'. It also occurs against Isaac Marlow, the last entry > on the page. > > I thought the word might be Gent, but on the same page as Jno Bodicoate > there is a Matthew Williams, no. 12 on the 14th July, who is very > clearly a Gent, the two words look quite different. > > Any suggestion or knowledge very gratefully received! > > Steve Lancaster

Hi I have been going through the 'UK Register for Duties Paid for Apprentices Indentures' on Ancestry, and on a few occasions have come across a profession I'm having trouble transcribing. For example if you search for Jno Bodicoate, in the register he is listed as the third on Friday 16th July 1714, 'Jno Bodicoate of London' and then the word I'm having trouble with which should be his profession, begins with a G and looks like 'Gord'. It also occurs against Isaac Marlow, the last entry on the page. I thought the word might be Gent, but on the same page as Jno Bodicoate there is a Matthew Williams, no. 12 on the 14th July, who is very clearly a Gent, the two words look quite different. Any suggestion or knowledge very gratefully received! Steve Lancaster

Hello, I have trod this path before on the list but now have matched the ancestor with the uniform he is wearing when his portrait was painted. I believe that at the time he was acting as Secretary/Paymaster of the Emigration Office for the Succour of French Clergy & Laity located in Queens Square, W.1. My question is would a government official have had a dress uniform, heavily laden with heavy gold lace during this period, i.e. early 19th century? Many thanks, Nic

Hello, Does anybody know if MIs exist for St Dunstan in the East at Stepney. Robert ROBINSON age 75 of Mile End Town was buried there on 19th February 1832 and I am wondering whether there is any further information on him which would allow me to establish whether he was my 4xGt grandfather. Thanks in advance Peter

----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 06/09/2015 - 08:00 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : LONDON Digest, Vol 10, Issue 87 Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 23:54:21 +0100 From: nick ashby <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [LONDON] Wormwood Scrubs Prison 1901 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed On 03/09/2015 01:00, Jenny . via wrote: > Hi > Believe I have broken through a very old brickwall with the find of one Charles Wilson b 1858 Marylebon, London on 1901 census relationship to head, prisoner in Hammersmith, London. I don't have full access to this census and am taking this that he is in Wormwood Scrubs and wondering how I go about finding out what Charle's crime was and so on. > Any help greatly appreciated. > Regards Jenny Hi Could try http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/ Nick Hi Jenny, I have found a Charles Wilson, with a string of aliases, who was sentenced to 18 months for house-breaking in November 1900 at Brentford, he was sent to Wandsworth, his date of birth is given as 1857, London, I think this is probably the person you have found. Email me direct and I will send you more details. Regards Colin ------------------------------ To contact the LONDON list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the LONDON mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of LONDON Digest, Vol 10, Issue 87 **************************************

On 03/09/2015 01:00, Jenny . via wrote: > Hi > Believe I have broken through a very old brickwall with the find of one Charles Wilson b 1858 Marylebon, London on 1901 census relationship to head, prisoner in Hammersmith, London. I don't have full access to this census and am taking this that he is in Wormwood Scrubs and wondering how I go about finding out what Charle's crime was and so on. > Any help greatly appreciated. > Regards Jenny Hi Could try http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/ Nick

Hi - I'm transcribing a list of original signatures of people who signed a petition in Belize in 1809, and am completely stumped by one of them, a Wm B.... I've searched the history I'm working on for the name, but can't come up with anything even close. It's not Burns, Beven, Brown, or Bowen who were in the settlement in that time period. Would SKS be willing to take a look at it and give me an opinion? If so I'll send the photo I took of the page. It's at the end of the petition in C0/123/19 p.4-5a, at the BNA. Thanks, Sonia Murray Biloxi, MS USA [email protected]

Jenny The National Archives appear to hold the records for Wormwood Scrubs, and Find My Past has transcriptions and digitised images of these records. Lin On 3 September 2015 at 10:00, Jenny . via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > Believe I have broken through a very old brickwall with the find of one > Charles Wilson b 1858 Marylebon, London on 1901 census relationship to > head, prisoner in Hammersmith, London. I don't have full access to this > census and am taking this that he is in Wormwood Scrubs and wondering how I > go about finding out what Charle's crime was and so on. > Any help greatly appreciated. > Regards Jenny > > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Believe I have broken through a very old brickwall with the find of one Charles Wilson b 1858 Marylebon, London on 1901 census relationship to head, prisoner in Hammersmith, London. I don't have full access to this census and am taking this that he is in Wormwood Scrubs and wondering how I go about finding out what Charle's crime was and so on. Any help greatly appreciated. Regards Jenny

I have Herbert Thomas Brown on the 1918 and 1919 registers at 5 Eugenia Road Deptford, where family remember him living later. Also listed is his wife Dora Louise Brown, as eligible to vote in parliamentary as well as local elections, but she was only age 25, when the minimum age for women in parliamentary elections was 30. Does anyone know how rigorous the checks were on these registers? Herbert Thomas Brown is also registered at 37 Naylor Road with Alice Brown, the mother of one of his children who he never married. Again she was under 30. Could he have registered twice in two different houses? Both entries are repeated in 1919. He is registered alone in 1920-1923, but his real wife Dora appears again in 1924 when she attains the age of 30. Alice married someone else in 1921. Any ideas anyone? Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Hello, my apologies if you see this on more than one list. Are you a LONSDALE or do you have a LONSDALE in your family? There is now a DNA Project for the LONSDALE family line. This can be found at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/lonsdale Joining the group doesn’t mean you have to get your DNA tested. But it would help expand the worldwide LONSDALE Family Tree. If you are interested in a DNA test, there is a Group Discount. My own LONSDALE line is Lancastrian and there are records that show the family in the East Lancashire area of England as early as 1220. It is amazing how much our ancestors moved around. Wills from the 1590’s mention lands and property in Craven, Yorkshire. In the 1700’s some went to America, and came back. Others were transported to Australia. and stayed there. In the 1863 my 2 x times Gt Grandfather got a job in Brighton. So there are LONSDALE’s every where and with DNA testing we can hopefully find who is related to who. And where the different LONSDALE lines come from. And hopefully find a common link. Below are the spelling variations that I have found so far. And no doubt there are others out there. Lainsdaile, Lainsdale, Lainsdall, Landel, Landesdaile, Landesdale, Langsdale, Lansdale, Lansdall, Lansdel, Launsdall, Launsedall, Lawnsdale, Loansdale, Londegale, Londesdaile, Londesdaille, Londesdale, Londsdaile, Londsdaill, Londsdale, Londsdall, Londsdalle, Longdale, Longsdale, Lonndesdell, Lonsdale, Lonsdaile, Lonsdalee, Lonsdall, Lonsdalle, Lonsdayle, Lonsdeal, Lounsdale, Loundsdayle, Lousdale, Lownsdale, Loynsdale. So if you are a LONSDALE or have a LONSDALE in the family, please come and join us, at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/lonsdale If you know a LONSDALE, can you please pass this information on. Thank you, Michael

Dear Rosemary, > I have an occupation of "Inspector of C.M. Brigade" in an 1882 > baptismal register at St Dunstans and All Saints, Stepney. The > gentleman this pertains to became a Superintendent at Dr Barnardos in > the 1901 census. How about "City Messenger Brigade". There's a reference to this organisation in an article in the Tamworth Herald of 10 June 1882 in an article headed "Dr Barnardo's Homes", and a quick search with Google finds other suggestive pages. I'm sure you can track down more. For example: http://infed.org/mobi/thomas-john-barnardo-the-doctor/ Kept the little ones busy, I dare say. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire [email protected]

FWIW, I thought of the Church Lads Brigade and wondered if there was an equivalent adult organisation: Church Men's Brigade. Haven't found any evidence though. Arthur -- Quoting Rosemary via <[email protected]>: > Thank you David and Jill, > > I'm thinking along similar lines as you are and came up with Christian > Men's Brigade. It has to be something along these lines. He was listed > as an evangelist in one census and Head of Barnados Mission Church in > another although in the latter case the census people over-wrote it with > "Preacher". > > Rosemary > > On 8/9/2015 5:05 AM, strobridge jill wrote: > > [London] City Mission Brigade perhaps? It's a guess because I can't > > find anywhere that they formed a Brigade of their own although some > > other Missions did so. > > > > . > > > > On 8 August 2015 at 22:10, Rosemary via <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > I have an occupation of "Inspector of C.M. Brigade" in an 1882 > > baptismal > > register at St Dunstans and All Saints, Stepney. The gentleman this > > pertains to became a Superintendent at Dr Barnardos in the 1901 > > census. > > > > Rosemary > > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > --

Thank you Paul, I'll follow up on this one. Rosemary On 8/9/2015 1:48 PM, Paul Betteridge via wrote: > Dear Rosemary, > >> I have an occupation of "Inspector of C.M. Brigade" in an 1882 >> baptismal register at St Dunstans and All Saints, Stepney. The >> gentleman this pertains to became a Superintendent at Dr Barnardos in >> the 1901 census. > How about "City Messenger Brigade". There's a reference to this > organisation in an article in the Tamworth Herald of 10 June 1882 in an > article headed "Dr Barnardo's Homes", and a quick search with Google > finds other suggestive pages. I'm sure you can track down more. > > For example: > http://infed.org/mobi/thomas-john-barnardo-the-doctor/ > > Kept the little ones busy, I dare say. > > Best wishes > > Paul >

[London] City Mission Brigade perhaps? It's a guess because I can't find anywhere that they formed a Brigade of their own although some other Missions did so. . On 8 August 2015 at 22:10, Rosemary via <[email protected]> wrote: > I have an occupation of "Inspector of C.M. Brigade" in an 1882 baptismal > register at St Dunstans and All Saints, Stepney. The gentleman this > pertains to became a Superintendent at Dr Barnardos in the 1901 census. > > Rosemary > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you David and Jill, I'm thinking along similar lines as you are and came up with Christian Men's Brigade. It has to be something along these lines. He was listed as an evangelist in one census and Head of Barnados Mission Church in another although in the latter case the census people over-wrote it with "Preacher". Rosemary On 8/9/2015 5:05 AM, strobridge jill wrote: > [London] City Mission Brigade perhaps? It's a guess because I can't > find anywhere that they formed a Brigade of their own although some > other Missions did so. > > . > > On 8 August 2015 at 22:10, Rosemary via <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I have an occupation of "Inspector of C.M. Brigade" in an 1882 > baptismal > register at St Dunstans and All Saints, Stepney. The gentleman this > pertains to became a Superintendent at Dr Barnardos in the 1901 > census. > > Rosemary > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > >

Hi Jon, A factor was an agent employed by merchants to transact business of buying and selling. Address - 12 Soho Sq., Westminster Edward Nixey, Head, Mar, age 57, a brickmaker employing 1 man, born Buckinghamshire Slough Eliza Nixey, Wife, age 57, born Buckinghamshire Langley Edward Deverell, Boarder, Unm, age 22, assistant salesman, born Buckinghamshire Slough Edward Williams, Visitor, Unm, age 13, scholar, born Buckinghamshire Slough Edward Smith, Visitor, age 11, scholar, born Berkshire Donnington Mary Ann Walker, Servant, Unm, age 19, House servant, born Lincolnshire Spalding Regards, Diane