Hi, While I realize this is not what these mailing lists are intended for I thought this occasion warranted an exception. I'm sending this to these two lists since these are the only ones pertaining to the UK that I happen to be subscribed to and the plaque as well as the gentleman whose name is on it that are mentioned in an article in today's news in The Netherlands are believed to have originated from the UK. The article reads (I quote): "(...) A beachcomber on the Wadden Sea island of Terschelling is trying to track down the relatives of a man named Steve Hall after finding part of a memorial to him washed up on the beach [in The Netherlands]. (...) found a wooden post from what appears to be a bench on the beach on Sunday (...) and believes it may have come over from Britain. (...) does not have much to go on because the plaque only gives the name and birth and death dates (born 1966-06-04, deceased 2011-10-29), plus the motto 'Rides on forever in our hearts and minds'. (...)" If you know who Steve Hall was, you can get in touch with [email protected] or contact Terschelling beach bar De Branding @debrandingsts Source: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/04/dutch-beachcomber-tries-to-tra ce-family-of-steve-hall-after-finding-memorial-plaque/ and https://twitter.com/debrandingts. Regards, Jk.

Hi Robyn There appears to be a publication on said marriages Unsure if its a full transcript but perhaps worth trying to find a copy somewhere http://www.worldcat.org/title/marriage-records-of-the-great-synagogue-london-1791-1885/oclc/57406904 Boyds is at the SOG , it may be worth asking them if they have this publication as well Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 17-Apr-17 11:58 AM, Robyn Clarke wrote: > Hello All, > I'm trying to help identify a couple and found their Marriage Index (FMP) > from Boyd's Marriage Index 1538-1850 London - Great Synagogue - 1830 > MARCUS ABRAHAMS and DEBORAH DAVIS. > Can anyone tell me where I could see an Original of this Marriage.....this > is not my family and I do not live in England, just trying to help someone. > > Any help would be very much appreciated, > Cheers, > Robyn > Australia

Hi All, I have an enigma with Gladys Gerardin BONSOR born 19 Apr 1901. I have her dob from her baptism. She married Sydney R LEWIS in Q3 1923 in East Preston, Surrey. I have no further details of him. I was looking for her on the 1939 register. Having failed in a search on the name, I tried Gladys G born 19 Apr 1901 and found a Gladys G COUCHMAN with that dob. She was living with Alfred E COUCHMAN b 13 Apr 1896 in Sunbury-on-Thames, both shown as married but that doesn't prove to each other. However also at the same address was Sydney R LEWIS b 24 Jan 1876, also shown as married. My first thought was Gladys had remarried after husband's death and the couple were living with her previous father-in-law. So I looked for a suitable marriage between Gladys and Alfred. I tried all permutations I could think of but have failed to find a possible marriage. Nor can I find a suitable death for Sydney (junior?). If it weren't for the presence of Sydney (senior?) it might be explained as coincidence but I think his presence stretches the boundaries of coincidence too far. So can anyone suggest the relationship between these people? Any help greatly appreciated Christine (Note that Alfred COUCHMAN is not the same person as Albert COUCHMAN of a similar age who died in the war.)

Hi everyone. Havent posted on London for some time so am hoping someone > might be able to help. I have also posted to Cork with no response so > far. > First and foremost I am looking to find the wherabouts of a Will which > might be available to read. Its in Ireland and have tried several roads. > Its for a Francis Becher of Curriglass, Cork and probated in 1714-- >Will mentioned for Francis Becher 1714 residence Curriglass, Cloyne, Cork. > Ireland Diocesan and Perogative Wills and Administration Indexes > 1595-1858, > 1858 Transcription. > also listed under W.P.W. Philimore & Gertrude Thrft, Indexes to Irish > Wills, Transcription 1909-1920. > Details we have already re Francis.-.sequestration of Ardagh and > Clonpriest >> is to be given to Francis Becher, "proximo incumbenti." [D.R.] 1712 >> Francis Becher (c.1672): he was a descendent of Henry Becher, sheriff of >> London in 1569. Francis graduated from Trinity College Dublin in 1667 >> with an AB and got an AM in 1670. He held a number of parishes in the >> diocese of Ross from 1667 to 1670 when he moved to the diocese of Cloyne. >> Here he held the prebend of Coole from 1670 to 1713 while rector of >> Mogeely and vicar of Knockmourne during the same years.Among his >> positions in the diocese of Lismore include vicar of Modeligo from 1682 >> and the prebend of same until his death in 1713. In 1697 he took over the >> vicar choral seat in Lismore from Robert Prytheroe and held this until >> 1711. Francis also held the prebend of Clashmore from 1675 to 1682.In >> 1683 he married Isabella Andrews and had a son, Lionel, a student of >> Trinity College, Dublin in 1706.(In 1702 Francis married Susannah Becher >> of Curriglass). #Francis named in 1705 will of his cousin, Thomas >> Becher of Sherkin, Co. Cork. > For many years now I have been searching for my 5xGt Grandfather's > parents >> and am getting desparate! the only clue we have is that Francis Becher, >> Cleric, married Isabella Andrews and they had a son Lionel who is >> mentioned in the Dublin Alumini.aged 16. My Lionel had twin daughters >> who died but named Isabella and Sarah, his mother in law was Sarah and >> hopefully his mother was Isabella(see below re Francis.) His son had 2 >> daughters Isabella, one died in infancy and then another Isabella was >> born. He had a Gt Granddaughter Isabella who also died young. >> My Lionel first appears in 1722 when he entered the guards here but >> obtained a loan to pay for it and so no parent is mentioned in the >> records. His marriage was a clandestine one in Fleet Prison Chapel in >> 1725 again no parents.. He was taken to court for non repayment of the >> loan and mention was made of a brother Samuel Becher, but he could have >> meant a brother officer. He volunteered for a special branch of Marines >> in 1739 to join the battle of Cartegena and died there in 1741.(Leaving >> no will!) .I have all the Becher branch of my family back to Lionel >> George in 1722 >> Many thanks for reading this far ..Hoping for a clue. sincerely Eileen. >> >>Please check out my family history website: >> https://sites.google.com/site/bechernalia/home/page1-htm-read-and-enjoy >

My thanks ti Jaye, Rivard, Ruth and Lynne for the explanation of the infirmity of G Plumley. I hadn’t realised that I could look them up. I think that this is my grandfather’s brother. On the other census returns he has never had an occupation. I think the next step is to order his death cert. Many thanks again Liz

Hi List. I have found a G. Plumley on the 1911 census for London County Lunatic Asylum,Hanwell. In the column for Infirmity it has number 21 and I think ditto marks going down the column from the top where it says lunatic. Is someone able to help me decipher this. is the number the degree of the affliction as the numbers vary. Hope someone is able to help Regards Liz (Australia)

Hi Liz The codes in red in column (15) are occupation codes added by the statisticians categorising occupations The last column (16) should have infirmities lunatic, feeble minded, imbecile, deaf and dumb or blind The first entry in column 16 on your page has the words "lunatic at" then a number, I would suggest this is the age the person was deemed to have become a lunatic On other pages in that column are (from) "birth" "and blind" etc The instructions for the schedule column 16 If any person included in the Schedule is :- (1) "Totally Deaf" or "Deaf and Dumb" (2) "Totally Blind" (3) "Lunatic" (4) "Imbecile" or "Feeble minded" state the infirmity opposite that persons name, and the age at which he or she became afflicted On your page and all others as far as I can see the statistician has added "4" so more an assumption that a diagnosis as they wouldn't know the individuals particular case Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25-Mar-17 6:32 AM, Liz Maxwell wrote: > Hi List. > > I have found a G. Plumley on the 1911 census for London County Lunatic Asylum,Hanwell. In the column for Infirmity it has number 21 and I think ditto marks going down the column from the top where it says lunatic. Is someone able to help me decipher this. is the number the degree of the affliction as the numbers vary. > > Hope someone is able to help > > Regards > > Liz (Australia)

If you google "1911 Census codes" you will find links to translate the figures written on the census return. Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 25 Mar 2017, at 06:34, Liz Maxwell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi List. > > I have found a G. Plumley on the 1911 census for London County Lunatic Asylum,Hanwell. In the column for Infirmity it has number 21 and I think ditto marks going down the column from the top where it says lunatic. Is someone able to help me decipher this. is the number the degree of the affliction as the numbers vary. > > Hope someone is able to help > > Regards > > Liz (Australia) >

Hi everyone, I just wanted to thank those who emailed me on and offlist re my brickwall regarding Charles Henry YELLAND, and some thoughts regarding him have been noted for future pondering. Thank you all very much! Regards, Jon

Hi List, I have a marriage for John Plumbley and Diana Cooper on 12/08/1792 at St. Anne , Soho. according to his son William Frederic's marriage cert in 1860 his occupation is “Smith” and on his son William Frederic’s bapt in 1817 he is a “White Smith” Is anyone able to help me with John and Diana please Regards and Thanks Liz

A huge 'thank you' to Jon and his amazing detective skills which has solved the mystery of Bertie (and his sister, Sophia) Tyler's connection to the Flynn family. Peter

Hi Peter, Here's how the family work out for you.... Marriage: Frederick Tyler & Annie Eleanor Hibbert: Oct-Dec 1890 St Saviour Southwark 1D/305 Birth from the GRO: Frederick Charles Tyler: Oct-Dec 1890 Lambeth 1D/326; MMN: Hibbert 1891 Census: RG12 Piece 391 Folio 180 Page 44 Births from the GRO: Bertie Tyler: Jan-Mar 1893 Lambeth 1D/388; MMN: Hibbert Sophia Tyler: Apr-Jun 1894 Lambeth 1D/324; MMN: Hibbert Frederick Tyler: Jul-Sept 1896 Lambeth 1D/332; MMN: Hibbert 1901 Census: RG13 Piece 367 Folio 73 Page 27 Indexed on FMP as "Swift"? Marriage: John Flynn & Annie Eleanor Tyler: Apr-Jun 1905 Southwark 1D/89 Births from the GRO: James Flynne: Jul-Sept 1906 Lambeth 1D/299; MMN: Hibbert Mary Eleanor Flyyn: Oct-Dec 1907 Lambeth 1D/296; MMN: Hibbert Minnie Jane Flynn: Apr-Jun 1911 Lambeth 1D/245; MMN: Hibbert So Bertie and Sophia are actually living with their mother and step father, they are not just boarders. Best wishes, Jon

PS This record is on Find My Past. On 15/03/2017, at 8:26 AM, Elissa Kester <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Peter > > Berte Tyler and his sister Sophia are on the 1901 Census (RG13/ piece 274 / folio 8/ page 7) > > at 22 Pitfield Street, Shoreditch, London with parents and other siblings. > > Regards, > Elissa > Perth WA >

Hello Peter Berte Tyler and his sister Sophia are on the 1901 Census (RG13/ piece 274 / folio 8/ page 7) at 22 Pitfield Street, Shoreditch, London with parents and other siblings. Regards, Elissa Perth WA

For a work colleague I am trying to find the above individual on the 1901 Census. I've found him on the 1911 Census, with his sister Sophia, living as 'boarders' with the Flynn family at China Walk, Lambeth. Can anyone please find Bertie/Bert and Sophia on the 1901 Census for me? Peter Gainsborough

Thank you for that very interesting and moving story of how you finally found Charles Henry It gives me more incentive to try to trace my ggGrandfather WILLIAM ALDEN. I have him and his wife AMELIA SHEPHERD on the 1841 census (aged 36) but before that he is a mystery William died in 1850 so there is no clue as to his birth. Age on the census appears to be correct as are all other entries From the births of their four children I have the maiden name of his ‘wife’ but there again no record can be found of a marriage These brick walls keep us going but very frustrating kind regards Jen > On 11 Mar 2017, at 8:29 PM, Jon OFHS5790 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi listers, > > Those of you who have been on this mailing list for many many years may remember my requests for help to try and determine who Charles Henry YELLAND really was. He suddenly appeared from nowhere signing up to the RMLI at London on 9th April 1891, but prior to that he quite simply didn’t appear to exist. Many kind listers gave of their time and effort to try and help solve the mystery, but all leads that were followed could not find the answer to who he really was. > > I’m overwhelmingly happy to be able to tell you that, after more than ten years, this mystery has finally been solved, and a long-standing brickwall has been broken down for good. > > I have just published the results of my research at the following link if anyone would like to read it. It really does show that when you have a brick wall such as this, absolutely every tiny bit of information you can find is essential: > > https://theblindgenealogist.wordpress.com/2017/03/11/charles-henry-yelland-a-man-of-mystery/ > > Kindest regards to all, > > Jon > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sandra, On 2017-03-11 00:28, Sandra Wamsley wrote: > Nu, John, A few questions. Was the ship's name under a different > spelling? Based on the information available to me so far, the answer to your question is no. > I found some info on the internet but not on any spelling of > "Waterland" > such as Wasserland or vasserland that made sense. Do you have any idea > what > class of ship the SS Waterland was? It would appear that ships are like people, in that it is not uncommon that one comes across more than one vessel with some name. So in that respect the name of a ship seems to be analogous to the first name of a person, i.e. one needs more than just the name of a ship to be able to positively identify it. I found at least four Dutch ships that at some point in time bore the name 'Waterland', as follows: Shipname Year Type built WATERLAND 1903 General Cargo http://www.marhisdata.nl/main.php?to_page=schip&id=7190 WATERLAND 1922 General Cargo http://www.marhisdata.nl/main.php?to_page=schip&id=7191 WATERLAND 1957 General Cargo http://www.marhisdata.nl/main.php?to_page=schip&id=7192 WATERLAND 1974 General Cargo http://www.marhisdata.nl/main.php?to_page=schip&id=7193 As you'll notice the first ship had been given another name by the time WW II started. In addition you'll notice that the 3rd and 4th ship were built after WW II. Which means, that unless there have been more vessels named 'Waterland' than the four mentioned above, the search is for information about a ship named 'Waterland' built by: Shipbuilder: Barclay, Curle & Co. Ltd, Clydeholm Shipyard, Whiteinch, Glasgow, Great Britain Yardnumber: 590 Date Laid Down: Launch Date: 1921-11-13 Delivery Date: 1922-05-04 that was owned and operated by: Date/Name Ship: 1936-00-00 WATERLAND Manager: N.V. tot Voortzetting van de Koninklijke Hollandsche Lloyd, Amsterdam, Netherlands Owner: N.V. tot Voortzetting van de Koninklijke Hollandsche Lloyd, Amsterdam, Netherlands Shareholder: Homeport / Flag: Amsterdam / Netherlands Callsign: PIMU Additional info: When looking at the information (http://www.marhisdata.nl/main.php?to_page=schip&id=7191) pertaining to the ship, please notice that: o up to approx. 1936 the ship is shown as having been owned and operated by a Dutch shipping company named N.V. Koninklijke Hollandsche Lloyd, Amsterdam, Netherlands; o while from approx. 1936 onwards the ship is shown as having been owned and operated by a Dutch shipping company named N.V. Continuation of the Koninklijke Hollandsche Lloyd, Amsterdam, Netherlands. One plausible explanation for this may be that the initial owner went bankrupt in the years leading up to WW II, but obviously there are other explanations possible. Please also notice that, according to the same source, the vessel used the HF radio call sign QBSM up to 1934 after which it changed to using the HF radio call sign PIMU. This change may be related to the change in ownership, however the data suggests that there is a two year gap between the date at which the call sign changed (approx. 1934) and the date at which the ownership changed (approx. 1936). > A ship under the British flag called > Waterland struck a mine and sunk in 1941. I did find a note that the > Dutch > navy sailed with Allied convoys once Germany invaded the country. > Bezemer's > book is listed on Amazon but is not currently available and is only in > Dutch. There was also a small Dutch fleet in the Pacific - several > articles > about three of them sunk by the Japanese off Java and one of the other > Amazon books tells about Dutch, British, American vessels sunk by the > Japanese during the War but maybe not as good coverage as Bezemer. As for the book "Dutch Merchant Navy in WW II", part 1 and 2, by K.W.L. Bezemer, Elsevier publishers, Amsterdam/Brussel 1987 2nd edition ISBN 90-10-06040-3 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/9010060403/) that I referred to; someone, on one of the rootsweb mailing lists I sent a message out on asking for more information about the ship, its crew and its voyages, was kind enough to send me a copy of a couple of pages from the book. While I haven't been able to look at that in detail, at first glance it would appear that the 'Waterland' played a pretty significant role in the merchant navy convoys that sailed the Atlantic during WW II. > My study > language was German and it helps with most Germanic languages but I > don't > know how I'd get along with an entire book in Dutch! Can read the old > church > records for my people in New York, but as with Swedish records they are > pretty basic. My Dutch folk were pretty much all here before 1650. > > Sandra > Regards, Jk.

Thanks for sharing, a great story Jon, just shows persistence does pay off. Pam C > On 11 Mar 2017, at 09:29, Jon OFHS5790 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi listers, > > Those of you who have been on this mailing list for many many years may remember my requests for help to try and determine who Charles Henry YELLAND really was. He suddenly appeared from nowhere signing up to the RMLI at London on 9th April 1891, but prior to that he quite simply didn’t appear to exist. Many kind listers gave of their time and effort to try and help solve the mystery, but all leads that were followed could not find the answer to who he really was. > > I’m overwhelmingly happy to be able to tell you that, after more than ten years, this mystery has finally been solved, and a long-standing brickwall has been broken down for good. > > I have just published the results of my research at the following link if anyone would like to read it. It really does show that when you have a brick wall such as this, absolutely every tiny bit of information you can find is essential: > > https://theblindgenealogist.wordpress.com/2017/03/11/charles-henry-yelland-a-man-of-mystery/ > > Kindest regards to all, > > Jon > For Information on this list, or to unsubscribe go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/LONDON.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers, Those of you who have been on this mailing list for many many years may remember my requests for help to try and determine who Charles Henry YELLAND really was. He suddenly appeared from nowhere signing up to the RMLI at London on 9th April 1891, but prior to that he quite simply didn’t appear to exist. Many kind listers gave of their time and effort to try and help solve the mystery, but all leads that were followed could not find the answer to who he really was. I’m overwhelmingly happy to be able to tell you that, after more than ten years, this mystery has finally been solved, and a long-standing brickwall has been broken down for good. I have just published the results of my research at the following link if anyone would like to read it. It really does show that when you have a brick wall such as this, absolutely every tiny bit of information you can find is essential: https://theblindgenealogist.wordpress.com/2017/03/11/charles-henry-yelland-a-man-of-mystery/ Kindest regards to all, Jon

All, Who has information about a Dutch vessel named (S.S.) Waterland? The ship is, both during and shortly after WW II, supposed to have made at least the following journeys: Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, about 1943-01-00 in Liverpool. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1943-01-31 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1943-09-14 in Liverpool. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1943-10-01 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1943-11-18 in Liverpool. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1943-12-04 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1944-01-21 in Liverpool. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1944-02-10 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1944-05-18 in Liverpool. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1944-06-03 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1944-07-18 in London. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1944-08-16 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1944-10-17 in London. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1944-11-05 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1945-01-02 in Liverpool. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1945-01-18 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1946-02-02 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1946-02-18 in New York, New York. Departure Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1946-04-06 in Rotterdam, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands. Arrival Aboard the vessel ¨Waterland¨, 1946-04-20 in New York, New York. Other information about the ship: o some of its Dutch crewmembers and maybe also those with other nationalities appear to have been registered for the American Armed Forces (as part of the 'Old Man's Draft'[1]); o at least one of those registrations shows a (possibly temporary) residence in the US in the state of New Jersey; o a mister G.J. Guttig, who served as one of the captains of the ship, has reportedly been awarded the Dutch Cross of Merit[2] by Royal Decree no. 4 issued on the 26th August of 1943[3] by the Dutch government in exile in London[4]. Any information about: o the purpose of the voyages of the ship during WW II; o other voyages of the ship during WW II in addition to the ones listed above (which are based on crew lists found on FamilySearch.org); o as well as any other information about the ship; or links to such information on the Internet are appreciated. Regards, Jk. [1] 'https://www.archives.gov/st-louis/archival-programs/other-records/selective -service.html#wwii' [2] 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Merit_(Netherlands)' [3] 'Inventory of the archives of the Dutch Ministry of Defense in London [1940-1941]; the Dutch Ministry of War in London [1941-1945]; the Dutch Department of War: London Bureau [1945-1947], (1933) 1940-1947 held at the Dutch National Archives' [4] 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_government-in-exile' I'm occasionally working on gathering data about individuals born with the surname Kitz (not Kits or Kitsz) since approx. 1800 in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. Are you doing similar work in your area or country and do you have data that may be useful to me? Please send it to John.Kitz-gen (at) xs4all.nl.