I've tried census and migration records on Ancestry but not finding any clear records for them. F*an* does search ancestry and finds Fanny and Frances (also Frank and Francis of course) Perhaps these are Fanny 1871 Fanny Nixey abt 1845 St Giles, Middlesex, England Inmate Paddington, London 1861 Fanny Nixey abt 1841 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Servant St Marylebone, Middlesex Looks like place born the old default where living Perhaps his birth - age similar with the Fanny as above Eli Slade Oct-Nov-Dec 1840 Williton Somerset Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-07-18 11:45 PM, Jon's FH wrote: > I don’t know if anyone out there is researching this gentleman? the only reference I have to him so far is his marriage to Fanny NIXEY in 1873 at Marylebone. His father is said to be Edward Slade. > So far I have been unable to find Eli in the censuses with a wife Fanny/Frances, or with a father Edward. > > If anyone can help, I’d really appreciate it. this isn’t the first time I’ve tried digging up info on Eli, and I’m getting the same lack of results as previously.

Would someone with an Ancestry sub please have a look at London, England, Marriages and Banns 1754-1921 for George Hebberd Cable marriage to Maria Pickersgill. If you put George Hebberd Cable into name search and 1858 for year of marriage it is the first one that comes up. I am trying to work out the middle of name of one of the witnesses. Her name is Elizabeth Cable but I can't make out the middle name. Thanks Jan

Hi Listers I have located a family grave at Islington Cemetery (Burial Ground at Finchley) that has the following four family members BARNES, Thomas 1870 BARNES, Solomon 1870 BARNES, Thomas Solomon 1866 BARNES, Ann 1864 Deceased online quotes a grave reference of H/2/3791 Can anyone help with advice on how I can find out if there is likely to be a headstone on the grave, and if so how to obtain a transcription or photo. regards Lyn in Australia

Hi Ingrid That Emma married a BARNARD but was 20 in 1894 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Found in FreeBMD > Mar Q 1894 Emma Louise Bennett married either a Barnard or a Jones. > Marylebone 1a 875 > > > Can anyone find my GGG aunt Emma Louisa Bennett, born Belize, British > Honduras ca. 1847, living in England after 1866? A deed shows her in 1866 > in Belize, as a minor in charge of an attorney after the death of her > parents and grandparents. I checked Free BMD without success. My guess is > that she came home to England to join her brothers Charles Warburton > Bennett, who became a physician, and Marshal Bennett (my GGGgrandfather,) > who became a marine engineer and married at Southampton in 1871. I'd love > to know who she married and what became of her! > > > > Appreciate your help! > > Sonia in the U.S.

Found in FreeBMD Mar Q 1894 Emma Louise Bennett married either a Barnard or a Jones. Marylebone 1a 875 -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert Murray Sent: 19 July 2011 04:21 To: london@rootsweb.com Subject: [LON] Emma Louisa Bennett Can anyone find my GGG aunt Emma Louisa Bennett, born Belize, British Honduras ca. 1847, living in England after 1866? A deed shows her in 1866 in Belize, as a minor in charge of an attorney after the death of her parents and grandparents. I checked Free BMD without success. My guess is that she came home to England to join her brothers Charles Warburton Bennett, who became a physician, and Marshal Bennett (my GGGgrandfather,) who became a marine engineer and married at Southampton in 1871. I'd love to know who she married and what became of her! Appreciate your help! Sonia in the U.S. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jan Looks like Elizabeth Amelia Cable. Regards from Pauline Geelong ----- Original Message ----- From: "irook" <irook@eftel.net.au> To: LONDON-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 July, 2011 9:28:04 AM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne / Sydney Subject: [LON] Help with middle name please Would someone with an Ancestry sub please have a look at London, England, Marriages and Banns 1754-1921 for George Hebberd Cable marriage to Maria Pickersgill. If you put George Hebberd Cable into name search and 1858 for year of marriage it is the first one that comes up. I am trying to work out the middle of name of one of the witnesses. Her name is Elizabeth Cable but I can't make out the middle name. Thanks Jan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers, Some progress has been made, i'm thankful to say! Eli SLADE and Fanny NIXEY’s marriage entry showed his father to be Edward Slade. The familysearch.org website came up trumps where it had Eli correctly indexed as SLADE in the 1841 Census of Westbury in Wiltshire, rather than ancestry's hash of indexing the surname as HEDE. There I found Eli with his father Edward, mother Jane, and sibblings William, Charles and Sarah. This ties up with an Eli SLADE I found in the 1861 Census in Cheshire, and the 1871 Census in Paddington, Eli was said to have been born at Dilton Marsh and Westbury in those censuses, and in both cases his wife Ann was there. Also I found on FreeBMD the death of an Ann SLADE aged 38 in the Oct-Dec qtr of 1872 at Kensington. Eli was recorded as Widower on his marriage record to Fanny on April 7,1873 at St Marylebone, so, at the moment this is all looking very very good. Currently, there is still no sign of anything post 1873 though, no censuses nor deaths for either Eli or Fanny. If anyone should somehow stumble over them, I would dearly like to hear from them! Very best wishes, and thanks to all who have tried to help so far, Jon

Hi Ron and All, Many, many thanks Ron for your reply. I have now overcome one obstacle only to find there are some more behind it! But I'll go through it in order. I am a bit puzzled. Who is the boarder in 1871 you are referring to? Have I confused you? Or have you found a census record I haven't? Certainly Elizabeth Edith COURT seems to be at the heart of this mystery but I have found a reference to her birth on FamilySearch that puts it 30 May 1860 in Wiltshire to David COURT and Eliza. Whereas the 1861 census puts it St Luke, London. Whichever, how does she get the surname BENSON since she appears to be a child of the marriage? I had noticed that David Thomas COURT was born Wasing, but I had not come to any conclusions from it. If he was a son of Elizabeth who married William BENSON then Elizabeth Edith would be a step-granddaughter. I can see William might refer to her as a granddaughter but I still don't get how she would be called BENSON. David is born 1829 and 1832 in 1861 and 1871, not 1822. So are they the same man? So I looked for David Thomas COURT b 1822 in 1841 and eureka!!! I found :- Name: Davd Tho Court Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Marylebone Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: St Marylebone Sub-registration district: Christchurch Piece: 677 Book: 14 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Willm Benson 35 Elizh Benson 35 Davd Tho Court 18 Sarah Kersey 24 John Lamotte 30 Sarah Lamotte 45 M E Lowing 20 William is a Stationer and David is an Apprentice. Not quite sure where the rest come in and I can't read some of the occupations. So it looks as if David could be the son of a young Elizabeth but I have no idea how to find out. There is a marriage of William BENSON to Elizabeth MILES in 1930 in Aldgate. Both are single. But no marriage to a COURT. There is a marriage of a David Thomas COURT to Elizabeth PLATT in 1821 in Whitechapel which could be the parents of David jnr but if that is the case it would appear not to be the Elizabeth who married William. So did they just adopt him or did he marry a daughter of theirs? And why the difference in age and birthplace? And I am still not sure if Elizabeth Edith COURT is the same person as Elizabeth E. BENSON and if so how? (It's like climbing a mountain - when you get to what looks like the top you see it stretching away ahead of you.) Many thanks again Ron for leading me to the 1841 census record. Have you or has anyone else any more inspirations? Any ideas etc. gratefully received. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ron Lankshear Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:26 AM To: Christine Benson Cc: London Mailing List Subject: Re: [LON] BENSON mystery On 2011-07-18 5:03 AM, Christine Benson wrote: > His probate is to Elizabeth Edith > WHITE (wife of Charles Ernest WHITE) and the death certificate says E.E. > WHITE Granddaughter was present at the death. Well with the probate I would say the marriage to Charles and the 1901 entry you have found do seem to match the Elizabeth E Benson found with William in 1891 and also the boarder in 1871. This looks like his birth Births Sep 1871 White Charles Ernest St. Saviour 1d 117 Yes I'd assume that the 1861 with David Thos Court is the future Miss Benson and Mrs White Please note David Thos b1829 is born Wasing Berkshire the same as Mrs Elizabeth Benson b1801 so perhaps David is a son of Elizabeth? It could be him b1832 at Oriel College in Oxford in 1851 as born Margson, Berkshire but I cannot find the place LDS https://www.familysearch.org has this David Thomas Court baptism/christening date: 28 Aug 1822 baptism/christening place: ST MARY WHITECHAPEL,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND father's name: David Thomas Court mother's name: Elizabeth Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/

Amelia? JK On 19 July 2011 00:28, irook <irook@eftel.net.au> wrote: > Would someone with an Ancestry sub please have a look at London, England, Marriages and Banns 1754-1921 for George Hebberd Cable marriage to Maria Pickersgill. If you put George Hebberd Cable into name search and 1858 for year of marriage it is the first one that comes up. I am trying to work out the middle of name of one of the witnesses. Her name is Elizabeth Cable but I can't make out the middle name. > > Thanks > Jan > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html .  Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can anyone find my GGG aunt Emma Louisa Bennett, born Belize, British Honduras ca. 1847, living in England after 1866? A deed shows her in 1866 in Belize, as a minor in charge of an attorney after the death of her parents and grandparents. I checked Free BMD without success. My guess is that she came home to England to join her brothers Charles Warburton Bennett, who became a physician, and Marshal Bennett (my GGGgrandfather,) who became a marine engineer and married at Southampton in 1871. I'd love to know who she married and what became of her! Appreciate your help! Sonia in the U.S.

Hi John The documents available at DocumentsOnline are the PCC copies in series PROB 11. The original wills (where they survive) are in PROB 10. You can seek out your ancestor's will at TNA in person, or get a researcher to do it for you. Hope this helps. Caroline Sent from my iPad On 18 Jul 2011, at 18:46, "John Stevens" <john.stevens27@virgin.net> wrote: > Does anyone have experience of obtaining a copy of a pre-1858 will from this source please? > > Following on from the recent posts about obtaining copy wills I did a search on the TNA > website and was delighted to find an ancestor's will there dating from 1838. Having duly > parted with my hard-earned cash and downloaded the image I am rather frustrated to find > that what I have is a beautifully hand-written copy of the will in an identical hand to the quite > unrelated wills before and after it. Any ideas please on how I might get to see the original > document in my ancestor's own fair hand? > > Thanks > > John > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >

Hi John, Your ancestor may have signed the will; but wills are usually drawn up by a solicitors clerk. This would explain other wills being in the same handwriting. Regards Michael. > From: john.stevens27@virgin.net > To: LONDON@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:46:07 +0100 > Subject: [LON] Copy wills from National Archives > > Does anyone have experience of obtaining a copy of a pre-1858 will from this source please? > > Following on from the recent posts about obtaining copy wills I did a search on the TNA > website and was delighted to find an ancestor's will there dating from 1838. Having duly > parted with my hard-earned cash and downloaded the image I am rather frustrated to find > that what I have is a beautifully hand-written copy of the will in an identical hand to the quite > unrelated wills before and after it. Any ideas please on how I might get to see the original > document in my ancestor's own fair hand? > > Thanks > > John > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, All the wills available for download from Documents Online (in series PROB 11) are register copies made by the court. The original will, if it survives, will be held at Kew in the series PROB 10. These original wills are stored in chronological bundles arranged by date of probate. If you visit Kew in person, or engage a researcher to do so, the relevant box of wills can be ordered up and you can search for the one you want. Copies of original wills cannot be ordered online. For more information, please read the relevant TNA research guide. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/wills-and-pro bate-records.htm HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Stevens Does anyone have experience of obtaining a copy of a pre-1858 will from this source please? Following on from the recent posts about obtaining copy wills I did a search on the TNA website and was delighted to find an ancestor's will there dating from 1838. Having duly parted with my hard-earned cash and downloaded the image I am rather frustrated to find that what I have is a beautifully hand-written copy of the will in an identical hand to the quite unrelated wills before and after it. Any ideas please on how I might get to see the original document in my ancestor's own fair hand? Thanks John

Hi John I have obtained several wills from TNA at 3.50 GBP each. They are sometimes copies, transcribed by the PCC from the original, or occasionally it is the original with an original signature. Whichever, they are always interesting and good value for money. You can tell if it's a transcription as it will have parts of others' wills included. The writing can be difficult sometimes, so if you need a second opinion, do let me know. Good luck Ruth > From: john.stevens27@virgin.net > To: LONDON@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:46:07 +0100 > Subject: [LON] Copy wills from National Archives > > Does anyone have experience of obtaining a copy of a pre-1858 will from this source please? > > Following on from the recent posts about obtaining copy wills I did a search on the TNA > website and was delighted to find an ancestor's will there dating from 1838. Having duly > parted with my hard-earned cash and downloaded the image I am rather frustrated to find > that what I have is a beautifully hand-written copy of the will in an identical hand to the quite > unrelated wills before and after it. Any ideas please on how I might get to see the original > document in my ancestor's own fair hand? > > Thanks > > John > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have experience of obtaining a copy of a pre-1858 will from this source please? Following on from the recent posts about obtaining copy wills I did a search on the TNA website and was delighted to find an ancestor's will there dating from 1838. Having duly parted with my hard-earned cash and downloaded the image I am rather frustrated to find that what I have is a beautifully hand-written copy of the will in an identical hand to the quite unrelated wills before and after it. Any ideas please on how I might get to see the original document in my ancestor's own fair hand? Thanks John

Hi Listers, I have two boys being left orphans aged 8 and 7 in 1794 and 1795. They had three older brothers, 16,14 and 12. Would these younger boys be put in an orphanage ? Their bothers were left about £200 each in 1802. Would the older brothers be too young to be in charge of them ? They lived in Spitalfields. Thanks, Maureen in Oz

Well, finally sent for the Death certificate for my supposed grandfather.....Hurrah, it is him. I have William Matthew Tarrant at Irwell Place in 1914 and the Death cert. says residence as Irwell Estate. In between, I have nothing.Is the next step the Electorals but they are not online? He is on the 1911 Census with the family-my grandmother and my Mom Annie and sister. However, on the 1911,he is also shown living with his sister and brother at 35 Neptune Street. How can this be??? Hoping for some answers from the very busy Rootsweb friends.Patricia in Alberta,Canada

Hi folks, I don’t know if anyone out there is researching this gentleman? the only reference I have to him so far is his marriage to Fanny NIXEY in 1873 at Marylebone. His father is said to be Edward Slade. So far I have been unable to find Eli in the censuses with a wife Fanny/Frances, or with a father Edward. If anyone can help, I’d really appreciate it. this isn’t the first time I’ve tried digging up info on Eli, and I’m getting the same lack of results as previously. Kindest regards to all, Jon

On 2011-07-18 5:03 AM, Christine Benson wrote: > His probate is to Elizabeth Edith > WHITE (wife of Charles Ernest WHITE) and the death certificate says E.E. > WHITE Granddaughter was present at the death. Well with the probate I would say the marriage to Charles and the 1901 entry you have found do seem to match the Elizabeth E Benson found with William in 1891 and also the boarder in 1871. This looks like his birth Births Sep 1871 White Charles Ernest St. Saviour 1d 117 Yes I'd assume that the 1861 with David Thos Court is the future Miss Benson and Mrs White Please note David Thos b1829 is born Wasing Berkshire the same as Mrs Elizabeth Benson b1801 so perhaps David is a son of Elizabeth? It could be him b1832 at Oriel College in Oxford in 1851 as born Margson, Berkshire but I cannot find the place LDS https://www.familysearch.org has this David Thomas Court baptism/christening date: 28 Aug 1822 baptism/christening place: ST MARY WHITECHAPEL,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND father's name: David Thomas Court mother's name: Elizabeth Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/

Hi John I have had to tangle with the old script on more than one will. Pam in Oz sent me a copy of how old script letters would appear. Another source to look at is on the National Archives. Try this URL to get what they have online as examples of lettering in old wills: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/doc2_popup/alphabet.htm Between these two documents I was able to figure out the bulk of them. Then, a few other listers took pity on me and helped out. I don't think that I can send the Pam document to you online so I will try ofline. Bill in Gig Harbor