Rod, my error, I'm sorry. HO 107 734 5/15 is Park Lane. I'm looking at it now. I'll post again shortly. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Townsend" <john@johntownsend.demon.co.uk> To: <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [LON] Query re 25 Park Lane > Rod, HO 107 734 5/15 seems to be Blenheim Street, and I didn't find > Isabella > Nelson. Please clarify the reference. > > Best wishes, > > John Townsend > Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist > http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rodney Whale" <clargo@tinyworld.co.uk> > To: <london@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:30 AM > Subject: [LON] Query re 25 Park Lane > > >> Hello Everybody, >> >> Could someone who has any suggestions about the above address in 1841 >> please >> help me. >> >> In that year's census at that address which continues as St George >> Hanover >> Square, Westminster, was an Isabella Nelson, aged 25, who does not appear >> to >> be born "In the county". >> There were many people at the address. >> The reference is HO 107 734 5/15 24. >> >> I think she was the wife of a rich man in Carlisle and if so was the >> mother >> of a seven months old daughter. >> In the 1841 census the husband and the child were in Carlisle but the >> mother >> was absent. >> Their next child was baptised at Carlisle in March 1842. >> >> My query is what was the use of the premises I have mentioned, answers >> awaited with interest. >> >> Regards, Rod. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Rod, HO 107 734 5/15 seems to be Blenheim Street, and I didn't find Isabella Nelson. Please clarify the reference. Best wishes, John Townsend Antiquarian Bookseller/Genealogist http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodney Whale" <clargo@tinyworld.co.uk> To: <london@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 11:30 AM Subject: [LON] Query re 25 Park Lane > Hello Everybody, > > Could someone who has any suggestions about the above address in 1841 > please > help me. > > In that year's census at that address which continues as St George Hanover > Square, Westminster, was an Isabella Nelson, aged 25, who does not appear > to > be born "In the county". > There were many people at the address. > The reference is HO 107 734 5/15 24. > > I think she was the wife of a rich man in Carlisle and if so was the > mother > of a seven months old daughter. > In the 1841 census the husband and the child were in Carlisle but the > mother > was absent. > Their next child was baptised at Carlisle in March 1842. > > My query is what was the use of the premises I have mentioned, answers > awaited with interest. > > Regards, Rod.

Hello Everybody, Could someone who has any suggestions about the above address in 1841 please help me. In that year's census at that address which continues as St George Hanover Square, Westminster, was an Isabella Nelson, aged 25, who does not appear to be born "In the county". There were many people at the address. The reference is HO 107 734 5/15 24. I think she was the wife of a rich man in Carlisle and if so was the mother of a seven months old daughter. In the 1841 census the husband and the child were in Carlisle but the mother was absent. Their next child was baptised at Carlisle in March 1842. My query is what was the use of the premises I have mentioned, answers awaited with interest. Regards, Rod.

but there daughter who had married a harvey in 1941 stayed at the same address until1979 I am now looking for the deaths of jane lilian harveey derick w harvey and the death certificate of  of michael g harvey around the period 1972 so I m intendending joing the waltham forest family history society still also need the death cvetificvate of emily alice wise born emily alice wells in 1885shoreditch haggerston the house she was living in in 1929 whren her husbsand thomas wise died was badly bomb damaged during the last war and was pulled down after the war the worton family who were also living at tyhis addresss at this time were moved out to waltham forest  I hasve found an emily a wise died in dover during the 1963 period but have yet to contact the gro to see if it is my relation many thanks pete. 

Hi many thanks Katherine. I have already downloaded that will, made in 1721 and it gives little away in more senses than one LOL. He makes his daughter Sarah Porter his executor and leaves her his best bed and sheets and £4 out of the money owed him from the house called The Sign of the Lamb in 'something' Row now in the county of Hampshire. Everything else of which he is possed and any moneys left after funeral expenses etc have been paid to be divided between all his children share and share alike. So that was a big dissapointment. I am going to go to the Archives and have a look at more of the Will listed as I am wondering if Mr Lake was a contemporary of Gen. Henry Lumley and thats how his wife new him!! ----- Original Message ----- > ------------------------------ > From: Katherine McLeod <katherine.mcleod@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [LON] Fw: LOWDEN, LAKE, JOYNER >> > Hi Eileen, > There's a likely looking will for that William Lake on TNA's Documents > Online: > Will of William Lake of Oakingham, Berkshire > Date: 22 February 1722 > Catalogue reference: PROB 11/583 > The date is when the will was proved, so it's possible he could have > died years before then (ie, before Sarah married Thomas Joyner), and > Wokingham was at some time known as Oakingham. It may or may not help > establish whether he was married to Sarah Lowden, but might be worth a > punt. > > Cheers, > Katherine > > On 18/09/2011 7:00 AM, eileen/pat wrote: > >> I have a 6th Gt Grandmother named Sarah nee Lowden who at some point >> in her life married a Mr Lake with whom she had children, followed >> by a marriage to Thomas Joyner in 1717 in St. James Westminster and >> she died in Sunning in Berkshire in 1745. I have Sarah's (Joyner) >> Will which mentions son Henry Lake and his 3 children and her >> daughter Ann's 2 orphan children, plus a brother Thomas Lowden and a >> sister Mary Pitt. On the IGI I have found a family of children with >> the parents Sarah and William Lake all baptised/born in Wokingham >> Berkshire between 1679 and 1692 including a Henry and an Ann. However >> I cannot find a birth or marriage for Sarah Lowden so cannot tell if >> this family is hers although it would seem to agree with the fact > > **************************************

Sandra, Yes, it's St Luke's parish workhouse, later taken over by the Holborn Union. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/StLuke/ As far as I can see from the LMA catalogue, there are no useful records from the 1820s, and certainly no register of births. If you tell us what you're trying to find out, maybe someone will be able to suggest a different line of enquiry? HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandra Van Able According to the 1851 London map, there is a workhouse between Edward Street and City Road. Was this City Road Workhouse in 1825? Are there any birth records from this time? Did it become St Luke's Workhouse? Thanking you advance, Sandra

The post regarding the workhouse reminded me of some research that I did a few years ago regarding a Great Grand Aunt of mine.   Following my research in Wales involving workhouse and Industrial schools records,  I tracked one of the children to an orphanage in Bethnal Green in 1897. I decided to make enquiries and after showing a lot of proof of my connection I was sent the original Ind. School record book from Wales and over 30 letters 1902-1909 from the orphanage involving my Great Grand Aunt and others. I thought all I would get would be date of entry.   If you do find any of yours in any of these institutions it is well worth following up, I almost never did assuming that there would be ne records.   Slán, Kevin. http://kevsirishresearch.blogspot.com/

Hello list, My gggrandfather, John Ging GUY, listed his birthplace as City Road, Middlesex on the 1851 census. I am wondering if he was born in the workhouse and if the are any records of births in 1824-5 from there. I am looking at this as a possibility because he was abandoned by his mother/parents in 1835 at St. Leonard's Workhouse and apprenticed from there. Also, if a child was born in the workhouse, would he have been baptized in the church that was affiliated with the workhouse? Thanking you in advance, Sandra

I have posted this on the Berkshire list and wondered if anyone on the London List might be able to help as it also involves London. Its a shot in the dark anyway for either list I think. I have a 6th Gt Grandmother named Sarah nee Lowden who at some point in her life married a Mr Lake with whom she had children, followed by a marriage to Thomas Joyner in 1717 in St. James Westminster and she died in Sunning in Berkshire in 1745. I have Sarah's (Joyner) Will which mentions son Henry Lake and his 3 children and her daughter Ann's 2 orphan children, plus a brother Thomas Lowden and a sister Mary Pitt. On the IGI I have found a family of children with the parents Sarah and William Lake all baptised/born in Wokingham Berkshire between 1679 and 1692 including a Henry and an Ann. However I cannot find a birth or marriage for Sarah Lowden so cannot tell if this family is hers although it would seem to agree with the fact that I know my Sarah Lake had a son Henry Lake of Sunning who brought up his orphaned nephew, (my 4xGt Grandfather b 1737), in Wokingham, and a daughter Ann Lake (who married my 5xGt Grandfather)as mentioned above. I know Sarah Lake was in Gravel Pitts, Kensington in 1722 with her daughter Ann as I have a will mentioning the fact. (To complicate matters Ann was allegedly the daughter of Sarah's liason with General Henry Lumley!!) If anyone can find me Sarahs birth and her marriage to Mr Lake and his death, I would be delighted and so grateful. Many thanks Eileen. http://www.epfranchi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/page1.htm

Hello list, According to the 1851 London map, there is a workhouse between Edward Street and City Road. Was this City Road Workhouse in 1825? Are there any birth records from this time? Did it become St Luke's Workhouse? Thanking you advance, Sandra

HI I'm doing research into Susan ROBERTS who was convicted 15-4-1801 for theft at Buckeridge St. St Giles. Susan was lodging at this address for a period of 5 weeks prior to the theft with Mrs Mary Hamilton. Susan was found guilty and sent to NSW in 1803 onboard the "Glatton". She apparently left a husband behind in London, she was aged 18 and was an Irish girl from Mullingar. I imagine she was in Newgate Prison I'm hoping to find any newspaper report on the incident in the local paper at the time. (Would that be the Times?). I would also like to find out when she married if indeed it was in the Middlesex/London area. Any help very much appreciated kind regards Dianna

Hi again >From what you posted you may have the entry already but its on the Old Bailey site <http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18010415-127-defend1246&div=t18010415-127#highlight> There is no mention in that of her being married, where does that come from? If she was convicted as ROBERTs I presume that was her married name, do you have any idea of her maiden name Could she have lied about the marriage to try and get some sort of sympathy from someone? In the various databases on Ancestry I did not come across a ROBERTS marrying a Susan in the period Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > HI > I'm doing research into Susan ROBERTS who was convicted 15-4-1801 for > theft at Buckeridge St. St Giles. Susan was lodging at this address for a > period of 5 weeks prior to the theft with Mrs Mary Hamilton. > > Susan was found guilty and sent to NSW in 1803 onboard the "Glatton". She > apparently left a husband behind in London, she was aged 18 and was an Irish > girl from Mullingar. I imagine she was in Newgate Prison > > I'm hoping to find any newspaper report on the incident in the local > paper at the time. (Would that be the Times?). I would also like to find > out when she married if indeed it was in the Middlesex/London area. Any help > very much appreciated kind regards Dianna

Hi Dianna >From your email address it seems you are in Australia ? If you are an Australian resident you can gain free access to a wide range of online newspapers via your national library of Australia (as opposed to your State library who may also have access) Included on the NLA are the 19th Century Newspapers, the 18th Century and the Times plus various other useful publications Once joined you can use them online from home 24/7 Whether your convict gets a mention in any papers is another matter of course, convictions were an every day event Then as now it depended on what else was happening on the day and how interesting the case was as to its inclusion in the newspaper Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > HI > I'm doing research into Susan ROBERTS who was convicted 15-4-1801 for > theft at Buckeridge St. St Giles. Susan was lodging at this address for a > period of 5 weeks prior to the theft with Mrs Mary Hamilton. > > Susan was found guilty and sent to NSW in 1803 onboard the "Glatton". She > apparently left a husband behind in London, she was aged 18 and was an Irish > girl from Mullingar. I imagine she was in Newgate Prison > > I'm hoping to find any newspaper report on the incident in the local > paper at the time. (Would that be the Times?). I would also like to find > out when she married if indeed it was in the Middlesex/London area. Any help > very much appreciated kind regards Dianna

I am trying to find please the given name of a Beavitt child born [between 1794-1816] to Mary and what happen to her Husband Joseph Beavitt? Mary Gager and Joseph Beavitt married 29 September 1794 in St Martin in the field London. A letter to the Bank of England in mid 1816 says Mary is 55 years old [age matches several convict records around the time of transport] which means her last child in 1807 was born when she was 45/46. If Mary had a child born before 1794 it would have been of adult age by 1816. If her age is incorrect in the letter [ticket of leave says she was a native of Lynn Norfolk, the only baptism in Lynn is in 1771, this matches her age in 1828 Australian census] then there is a chance of another child being born after 1807. In July 1816 Mary Beavitt wrote just before being transported "with a family of 5 children unprovided for owing to the Illness of my Husband and a Rheumatic Disease [4 of which must go with me the other one my friends support" The four children who went with Mary were Sarah baptised 1800 St Mary Lambeth Surrey,an the next 3 baptised in St Martin's in the field London Mary Ann 1802 , Isabella 1804 and Joseph 1807 . There was a older daughter Mary Ann baptised in 1795 St Martin in the field London no burial record found but assumed dead by 1802 when younger sister was given the same name and a son George who was baptised in Christ church Surrey [29 Nov, maybe 1797] and it appears buried [the word is blacken] [3 Sept yearunknown] . I can't make out the year of the events but the ancestry records state they are from 1790-1801. With regards to the husband I haven't found a burial. There was a second Joseph Beavitt in the records who married in 1899 to Elizabeth Bright, I can't make out the parish. Both were on their first marriage. Then there is a marriage in the parish of St Bride 1825 to a Sarah Caroline Mitton of a Joseph Beavitt widower. I don't know if Elizabeth Beavitt died but wondered if Mary's husband may have remarried stating he was a widower.There is a burial of a Sarah Beavitt in Bloomsbury in 1830 aged 31 years. Is this burial near St Bride parish where the marriage took place? The son Joseph came back to England for a brief time around 1822. His sister Sarah isn't found in Australia records after her arrival. If she came back to England the burial in 1830 is of the right age for her. Joseph the father was a publican. He is listed in the poll books of 1806 at St Martins in the field at Russell Place and on his son's George's baptism in Surrey as a virtualler Karen Australia

Hi Bob Yes, that certainly looks a very good bet - particularly as there are no other Mary PETT deaths anywhere close in the right time frame. Best wishes Caroline > Hello Fellow Researchers, > > I recently discovered my g.g.g. grandmother MARY > PETT in the > 1841 census. Born about > 1788 age 53 born Middlesex. The census county is Middlesex. The civil > parish is > St. James Clerkenwell, the registration district is Clerkenwell and the > sub-registration district is Pentonville. > I have discovered a reference for a death September > Qtr. 1846 > for a Mary Ann Pett, district > St. Luke's Volume 2, page 220. Does anyone have any idea if this could > be the > reference for her death? > Does St. Luke's fit in with the above named parish's and registration > districts? > > Any ideas appreciated. > > > Bob Pearce USA

Hello Fellow Researchers, I recently discovered my g.g.g. grandmother MARY PETT in the 1841 census. Born about 1788 age 53 born Middlesex. The census county is Middlesex. The civil parish is St. James Clerkenwell, the registration district is Clerkenwell and the sub-registration district is Pentonville. I have discovered a reference for a death September Qtr. 1846 for a Mary Ann Pett, district St. Luke's Volume 2, page 220. Does anyone have any idea if this could be the reference for her death? Does St. Luke's fit in with the above named parish's and registration districts? Any ideas appreciated. Bob Pearce USA

I am struggling to sort my RILEY Family My questions: 1. Would it have been likely for Ann Sophia RILEY to have left her husband James RILEY and reverted to her former name of CURLINE? Did people do that kind of thing in the 1860s? 2. Is there a marriage for James RILEY and Ann TWEED or could they have just pretended they were married? Again did this happen in the 1860s. What I am sure about is this: 1. 1847 19 July Ann CURLINE married James RILEY Parish Church, St Andrew, Holborn (1st marriage to James CURLINE in 1829 James CURLINE died 1847) 2. 1849 28 April Mary Ann RILEY born Holborn, St Andrew Mother: Ann Sophia RILEY (Formerly CURLINE nee DURANT b abt 1810) Father: James RILEY b abt 1827 St Giles London occupation Plate Glass Manufacturer/Glass Silverer 3. 1892 Ann Sophia died in Dunedin and according to death infor had been in NZ 27 years. Says on death cert born Ipswich, Suffolk 1851 Census - Piece: 1514 Folio: 158 Page Number: 8 42 Grays Inn Lane James Riley 24 b abt 1827 St Giles occ Glass Silverer Ann Riley 36 born St Georges Mary Ann Riley 1 born St Andrews James Curline 17 born Clerkenwell. Hat Block maker who came to NZ in 1864 But..... 1861 England Census - Piece: 70 Folio: 57 Page Number: 8 Ann Curline Age: 48 born abt 1813 Occupation: Laundress Mary A Curline 11 1861 Census - RG9 / 184 / folio 39 / schedule 122 Holborn, St Andrew 12 Fulwoods Rents James RILEY Head M 33 Glass Silverer Midx St Andrews Holborn Ann RILEY Wife M 34 Midx St Andrews Holborn Eliza RILEY Daur 7 Midx St Andrews Holborn Margaret RILEY Daur 4 Midx St Andrews Holborn 1871 Census this same family plus the father also James RILEY snr I now have the birth cert for Eliza RILEY and the mother doesn't fit as being Ann Sophia RILEY/CURLINE/DURANT Eliza RILEY born 9 Jan 1854 Mother Ann RILEY formerly TWEED Father James RILEY Looking Glass Silverer 1866 Mary Ann RILEY (but called herself CURLINE) and her mother calling herself Ann CURLINE arrived in NZ I am pretty certain they are the right people because Mary Ann at times called herself CURLINE and this name appears as being Mary Ann's maiden name on some of her children's birth certs. Ann RILEY is buried as Ann CURLINE but the death is registered as Ann RYLIE. I know it is the correct person as Ann is buried with Mary Ann and Richard HUDSON (husband of Mary Ann). Regards Jennifer HUDSON in NZ

Nothing in 1819 Post Office published by Critchett & Woods - from 1840 Kellys had the PO directory and they are very detailed Critchett & Woods really only list merchants 1805 Holden a very detailed directory does not have William but there is A Stafford tailor and mercer 17 Fore St Cripplegate Ron Lankshear -Sydney NSW (from London-Shepherds Bush/Chiswick) try my links http://freepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lankshear/ On 2011-09-01 3:23 PM, Alaine Bastow wrote: > I would appreciate very much if someone could look up the London Post Office > Directory 1805 - 1828 > For my ancestor William STAFFORD ,tailor. > Thank you very much. > Alaine Reidpath Bastow > Canada

Hi list, I am sending this from Blackheath, close to where my HOLLIDAY/BARRSKILL people came from. So exciting to be here and looking forward to tramping the streets of Plumstead and Woolwich over the next ten days......and other places as well! Judy.....Perth W.Australia Sent from my iPad On 12/09/2011, at 12:28 AM, london-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > There is a webpage for the the London List at : www.londonlist.org.uk/ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Whitechapel and Hornsey (B Robertson) > 2. fricker family (PETER WELLS) > 3. Re: Whitechapel and Hornsey (JFHH) > 4. Patient record at Willisden Infirmary 1914 (Mary Baker) > 5. Re: Heritage Open Days in London - 17/18 September (The Quineys) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) > From: B Robertson <hensher@aol.com> > Subject: [LON] Whitechapel and Hornsey > To: LONDON-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE3EB4D0EE7B1B-28E4-1B4DE@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Dear List, > Can someone help please? Why would someone resident in Hornsey (William Hensher a pipemaker) be in the London Hospital in Whitechapel where he dies in 1828? Would this be anything to do with Settlement? Was this one of only a few hospitals and did people have to pay to be admitted? I have discovered that no records survive for that period so if anyone can offer advice I would be grateful! > Many thanks > Bev > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 17:23:57 +0100 (BST) > From: PETER WELLS <pete4jaz@btinternet.com> > Subject: [LON] fricker family

I am trying to find please the given name of a Beavitt child born to Mary and what happen to her Husband Joseph Beavitt? Mary Gager and Joseph Beavitt married 29 September 1794 in St Martin in the field London. A letter to the Bank of England in mid 1816 says Mary is 55 years old which means her last child in 1807 was born when she was 45/46. If Mary had a child born before 1794 it would have been of adult age by 1816. If her age is wrong in the letter [ticket of leave says she was a native of Lynn Norfolk, the only baptism in Lynn is in 1771] then there is a chance of another child being born after 1807. In 1816 Mary Beavitt wrote just before being transported "with a family of 5 children unprovided for owing to the Illness of my Husband and a Rheumatic Disease [4 of which must go with me the other one my friends support" The four children who went with Mary were Sarah baptised 1800 St Mary Lambeth Surrey,an the next 3 baptised in St Martin's in the field London Mary Ann 1802 , Isabella 1804 and Joseph 1807 . There was a older daughter Mary Ann baptised in 1795 St Martin in the field London no burial record found but assumed dead by 1802 when younger sister given the same name and a son George who was baptised in Christ church Surrey [29 Nov, maybe 1797] and it appears buried [the word is blacken] [3 Sept year unknown] . I can't make out the year of the events but the ancestry records state they are from 1790-1801. With regards to the husband I haven't found a burial. There was a second Joseph Beavitt in the records who married in 1899 to Elizabeth Bright, I can't make out the parish. Both were on their first marriage. Then there is a marriage in the parish of St Bride 1825 to a Sarah Caroline Mitton of a Joseph Beavitt widower. I don't know if Elizabeth Beavitt died but wondered if Mary's husband may have remarried stating he was a widower.There is a burial of a Sarah Beavitt in Bloomsbury in 1830 aged 31 years. Is this burial near the parish of the 1825 marriage? The son Joseph came back to England for a brief time around 1822. His sister Sarah isn't found in Australia records after her arrival. If she came back to England the burial in 1830 could be her. Joseph the father was a publican. He is listed in the poll books of 1806 at St Martins in the field at Russell Place and on his son's George's baptism in Surrey as a virtualler Karen Australia