Hi again I should have also said the way to find him Enter the first names Sidney Alexander and just the keyword Camberwell One hit in the census , 1861 One reason I prefer Ancestry is you can do an easy search across all data I presume you have Ancestry so would suggest you enter a correction for this family, that way any future researcher will see your contact details Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Can anyone find this family on the 1861 please. They seem to be missing on > Ancestry. We need to see the occupation of John and the address they were > living and I am flumuxed!!! Many thanks Eileen > We can see him on the index to Find My Past: > 1861 census person search > Your search has returned 1 result. > Search criteria used: > Last name:Watt First name:John > Place of residence:Camberwell Occupation:*chem*

Hi Eileen 1861 England Census about Sidney Alexander Walt Name: Sidney Alexander Walt Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Walt Mother's Name: Helen Walt Gender: Male Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: Camden County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: Camberwell ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 89 Piece: 379 Folio: 105 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age John Walt 41 Chemist Helen Walt 39 George Houghton Walt 11 James Neville Walt 10 Mary Ann Houghton Walt 8 Sidney Alexander Walt 6 Vincent Anthony 4 Helen Angelo 3 RG9; Piece: 379; Folio: 105; Page: 21; GSU roll: 542626. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Can anyone find this family on the 1861 please. They seem to be missing on > Ancestry. We need to see the occupation of John and the address they were > living and I am flumuxed!!! Many thanks Eileen > We can see him on the index to Find My Past: > 1861 census person search > Your search has returned 1 result. > Search criteria used: > Last name:Watt First name:John > Place of residence:Camberwell Occupation:*chem* > Searching within:Households, Institutions, Vessels > > 1861 address searchnew 1861 person searchredefine current search > Institution, > Household > or VesselName Birth > Year Age Sex Registration District/ParishCountyHousehold > TranscriptOriginal > census > image > HouseholdWATT, John182041 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW > Searching for others living with John Watt I get: > 1861 census person search > Your search has returned 7 results. > Search criteria used: > Last name:Watt Registration district:Camberwell > Last name of other in household:Watt First name of other in household:John > Searching within:Households, Institutions, Vessels > 1861 address searchnew 1861 person searchredefine current search > Institution, > Household > or VesselNameBirth > Year Age Sex Registration District/ParishCountyHousehold > TranscriptOriginal > census > image > HouseholdWATT, Helen182239 FCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW > HouseholdWATT, George Houghton185011 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW > HouseholdWATT, James ...185110 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW > HouseholdWATT, Mary Ann Houghton18538 FCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW > HouseholdWATT, Sidney Alexander18556 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW > HouseholdWATT, Vincent Anthony18574 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW > HouseholdWATT, Helen Angela18583 FCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW > > >

Can anyone find this family on the 1861 please. They seem to be missing on Ancestry. We need to see the occupation of John and the address they were living and I am flumuxed!!! Many thanks Eileen We can see him on the index to Find My Past: 1861 census person search Your search has returned 1 result. Search criteria used: Last name:Watt First name:John Place of residence:Camberwell Occupation:*chem* Searching within:Households, Institutions, Vessels 1861 address searchnew 1861 person searchredefine current search Institution, Household or VesselName Birth Year Age Sex Registration District/ParishCountyHousehold TranscriptOriginal census image HouseholdWATT, John182041 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW Searching for others living with John Watt I get: 1861 census person search Your search has returned 7 results. Search criteria used: Last name:Watt Registration district:Camberwell Last name of other in household:Watt First name of other in household:John Searching within:Households, Institutions, Vessels 1861 address searchnew 1861 person searchredefine current search Institution, Household or VesselNameBirth Year Age Sex Registration District/ParishCountyHousehold TranscriptOriginal census image HouseholdWATT, Helen182239 FCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW HouseholdWATT, George Houghton185011 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW HouseholdWATT, James ...185110 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW HouseholdWATT, Mary Ann Houghton18538 FCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW HouseholdWATT, Sidney Alexander18556 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW HouseholdWATT, Vincent Anthony18574 MCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW HouseholdWATT, Helen Angela18583 FCamberwellLondon, SurreyVIEWVIEW

Can anyone help me please to find the following family on 1891, 1901 & 1911 Census? I have looked on FMP and cant seem to find them. I do know that Letitia was in Jersey in 190 & 1911 and I have that information Any assistance gratefully received. 1881 Census 58, Somerville Rd, St Paul Deptford Greenwich RG11 piece 716 folio 44 page 31 Civil Parish St Paul, Deptford Parliamentary Borough Greenwich Ward Hatcham Ecclesiastical Parish All Saints 50 Somerville Road Frederick J Tee Head Marr Age 37 Clerk Silversmith born Middlesex, Shoreditch Emily E. A. Tee Wife Marr Age 42 born Middlesex, London Frederick W. Tee Son Single Age 13 Scholar born Surrey, Lambeth Charles John Tee Son Single Age 12 Scholar born Surrey, Lambeth Letitia A. Tee Daughter Single Age ?? Scholar born Surrey, Lambeth Regards Mo -- Maureen Burton Member ESFHS

> Great work Colin! Hope lots of people will be thankful for what you have achieved and shared. I am cursing though, because I don't anticipate that I shall see my elusive g.grandmother's name appearing. Although..........she died in Stockwell and has not turned up in any plots near there, so.........you just never know. We always live in hope! Cheers!......Perth W.Australia > > 4. More names from Gravestones (Colin) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:58:08 -0700 > From: "Colin" <trucker1948@cox.net> > Subject: [LON] More names from Gravestones > To: <london@rootsweb.com>, <eng-surrey@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2F7D32D885864873AD2029121421E4C7@FamilyTree> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi here is a few more names from Croydon Cemetery Plot B > > BENNETT George 29th December 1938 > BENNETT Leonard George 29th December 1938 > CARR Name and dates hard to read. Child of Alexander & Emily Carr > CARTER William Charles ??th October 1938 age 65 > CARTER Mima 17th June 1940 Age 62 > CHABOT Charles Warden Ernest died 16 March 1944 aged 20 Killed in > battle over Pescara with 12th Squadron S.A.A.F. Known as Tim. > Grandson of E. Warden. memorial at ANCONA WAR CEMETERY > CHAPMAN William Henry 6th October 1923 age 83 > CHAPMAN Maria Catherine 9th June 1928 age 86 > CHAPMAN Francis 18th ___ember 1955 > CHESHIRE Edgar Murrey 6th March 1918 > CLARKSON Charles Bayford 7th January 1934 > CLOUT William Henry 10th November 1911 age 55 > CLOUT Emilia Maria 21 February 1957 age 93 Cremated > COLE George Walter 10th July 1945 age 71 > COLE Annie 2nd January 1932 age 62 > COLLEDGE Vivere 11th July 1933 age 67 > COOKSEY Samuel 27th December 1957 age 78 > COOPER Ann Maria 19th July 1915 Wife of the late Thomas Cooper of > Manchester > COUCHMAN Alfred 23rd October 1917 age 80 > COWDRY William John 19th June 1938 age 68 > COWDRY Ellen Jane 2nd February 1968 age 86 > CROUCH Walter 16th December 1952 age 86 > CROUCH Ida U. J. 25th April 1929 age 74 > CROUCH Eva Grace 3rd May 1951 age 59 > CRUST Dorcas 12th February 1954 age 94 > CRUST James 2nd April 1928 age 63 > DALZIEL Helen 17th June 1934 age 84 > DALZIEL Thomas Fell in action at Passiondale > DAVEY Charles Robert 1846 ?? ??? 1918 72 Formally from Oxford. > DAVEY Emma Eleanor 1845 ?? ??? 1932 87 > DAVIES Bill 13th May 1983 age 52 > DAVIES Frederick Cecil 17th July 1959 age 58 > DAVISON Frances 18th June 1901 > DAVISON Robert 26th January 1904 > DIXON Henry Philip Norman 4th September 1917 age 25. Grave unknown > 2nd Lieut. Northumberland Fus. who died of wounds received in action. > DIXON Elizabeth 6th March 1934 age 85 > DIXON Henry 9th November 1921 age 71 > DORAN Arthur Edward 5th May 1920 Check > DOWDEN William ?? ??? 1916 > DOWDEN George ?? ??? 1916 Thiepval Memorial > DOWDEN Albert 25th November 1917 age 23 memorial BOIS GUILLAUME > COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION > DOWDEN Harry 1887 ?? ??? 1979 > DOWDEN Sarah 16th December 1937 79 > DOWDEN Frederick F. 24th December 1935 73 > DRISCOLL Henry Edward 19th May 1930 43 > DUFFIELD John Alan 23rd May 1936 6 > DUNGATE Florence 8th July 1960 78 > ELLIOT Ada Lucy 24th July 1918 40 Husband Samuel George Elliott > EVERSON Maria Ethel 18th December 1935 > FAULKNER Annie 15th October 1944 74 > FAULKNER Arthur 21st February 1922 47 > FAULKNER Ann 22nd March 1909 75 > FAULKNER Henry 6th September 1902 68 > FELDON George William 13th December 1960 6? > FOLD John Aldred 12th March 1864 6 Died in the Sheffield Flood of > the 11th/12th March 1864. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sheffield_Flood > FOLD Isabel Jane 12th March 1864 Died in the Sheffield Flood of the > 11th/12th March 1864. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sheffield_Flood > FOLD Abel Margaret 27th March 1902 64 > FOLD Henry William 20 > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the LONDON list administrator, send an email to > LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the LONDON mailing list, send an email to LONDON@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of LONDON Digest, Vol 6, Issue 352 > **************************************

Hi Christine I know, daunting when there are so many! The Times Archive 'should' be available through your local library service. If you check their website they may already have subscribed to it and all you need is to access it through your library card. This you can do from home. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <christinebenson313@btinternet.com> To: "Andy Hedgcock" <andy701@blueyonder.co.uk>; <london@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON > Hi Andy, > > Thanks for that. There are certainly plenty of William Benson's. I > couldn't find anything in the National Archives or the London Gazette but > there are so many entries in the Gazette I could not look through them > all. It may be useful at a later date. Since you have to subscribe to get > the Times archive I do not see any point at present. > > Thanks again, > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Hedgcock > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 4:33 PM > To: Christine Benson ; Ruth Appleby ; jlester@btinternet.com ; > london@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON > > There are plenty of William Bensons on the National Archives site. He > 'may' > be one of those. > Otherwise you can also try the Times Digital Archives, and the London > Gazette. > > HTH > Andy >

Judith, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Acaster" <jude.a@iinet.net.au> > I am cursing though, because I don't anticipate that I shall see my > elusive g.grandmother's name appearing. > Although..........she died in Stockwell and has not turned up in any > plots near there, so.........you just never know. > We always live in hope!> > Cheers!......Perth W.Australia Have you tried Brookwood? Used for several inner London parishes/boroughs, with special trains from Necropolis station, a dedicated station at Waterloo, destroyed by bombing in WWII. Stockwell, IIRC part of Lambeth. You can Google for Brookwood Cemetery (still open) and for London Borough of Lambeth cemeteries. Kind regards, John Henley

Hi Nivard, Thanks for that. It is not the first time the COURT name has cropped up and I am investigating the possible connection. I don't think Thomas can be connected with me but I will keep him in mind just in case. Thanks again, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 4:48 PM To: Christine Benson ; london@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON Hi Christine Although he has an apprentice in the same household in 1841, it does not necessarily mean he was his apprentice, as you know that information was not recorded in 1841, many people had lodgers or boarders , even those with a servant (many were more or less a general dogsbody than a maid or servant as we know them) Just a thought Looking in the Directories of the period I could not see a William BENSON as a stationer, there was a Thomas Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Andy, Thanks for that. There are certainly plenty of William Benson's. I couldn't find anything in the National Archives or the London Gazette but there are so many entries in the Gazette I could not look through them all. It may be useful at a later date. Since you have to subscribe to get the Times archive I do not see any point at present. Thanks again, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Andy Hedgcock Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 4:33 PM To: Christine Benson ; Ruth Appleby ; jlester@btinternet.com ; london@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON There are plenty of William Bensons on the National Archives site. He 'may' be one of those. Otherwise you can also try the Times Digital Archives, and the London Gazette. HTH Andy

Hi here is a few more names from Croydon Cemetery Plot B BENNETT George 29th December 1938 BENNETT Leonard George 29th December 1938 CARR Name and dates hard to read. Child of Alexander & Emily Carr CARTER William Charles ??th October 1938 age 65 CARTER Mima 17th June 1940 Age 62 CHABOT Charles Warden Ernest died 16 March 1944 aged 20 Killed in battle over Pescara with 12th Squadron S.A.A.F. Known as Tim. Grandson of E. Warden. memorial at ANCONA WAR CEMETERY CHAPMAN William Henry 6th October 1923 age 83 CHAPMAN Maria Catherine 9th June 1928 age 86 CHAPMAN Francis 18th ___ember 1955 CHESHIRE Edgar Murrey 6th March 1918 CLARKSON Charles Bayford 7th January 1934 CLOUT William Henry 10th November 1911 age 55 CLOUT Emilia Maria 21 February 1957 age 93 Cremated COLE George Walter 10th July 1945 age 71 COLE Annie 2nd January 1932 age 62 COLLEDGE Vivere 11th July 1933 age 67 COOKSEY Samuel 27th December 1957 age 78 COOPER Ann Maria 19th July 1915 Wife of the late Thomas Cooper of Manchester COUCHMAN Alfred 23rd October 1917 age 80 COWDRY William John 19th June 1938 age 68 COWDRY Ellen Jane 2nd February 1968 age 86 CROUCH Walter 16th December 1952 age 86 CROUCH Ida U. J. 25th April 1929 age 74 CROUCH Eva Grace 3rd May 1951 age 59 CRUST Dorcas 12th February 1954 age 94 CRUST James 2nd April 1928 age 63 DALZIEL Helen 17th June 1934 age 84 DALZIEL Thomas Fell in action at Passiondale DAVEY Charles Robert 1846 ?? ??? 1918 72 Formally from Oxford. DAVEY Emma Eleanor 1845 ?? ??? 1932 87 DAVIES Bill 13th May 1983 age 52 DAVIES Frederick Cecil 17th July 1959 age 58 DAVISON Frances 18th June 1901 DAVISON Robert 26th January 1904 DIXON Henry Philip Norman 4th September 1917 age 25. Grave unknown 2nd Lieut. Northumberland Fus. who died of wounds received in action. DIXON Elizabeth 6th March 1934 age 85 DIXON Henry 9th November 1921 age 71 DORAN Arthur Edward 5th May 1920 Check DOWDEN William ?? ??? 1916 DOWDEN George ?? ??? 1916 Thiepval Memorial DOWDEN Albert 25th November 1917 age 23 memorial BOIS GUILLAUME COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION DOWDEN Harry 1887 ?? ??? 1979 DOWDEN Sarah 16th December 1937 79 DOWDEN Frederick F. 24th December 1935 73 DRISCOLL Henry Edward 19th May 1930 43 DUFFIELD John Alan 23rd May 1936 6 DUNGATE Florence 8th July 1960 78 ELLIOT Ada Lucy 24th July 1918 40 Husband Samuel George Elliott EVERSON Maria Ethel 18th December 1935 FAULKNER Annie 15th October 1944 74 FAULKNER Arthur 21st February 1922 47 FAULKNER Ann 22nd March 1909 75 FAULKNER Henry 6th September 1902 68 FELDON George William 13th December 1960 6? FOLD John Aldred 12th March 1864 6 Died in the Sheffield Flood of the 11th/12th March 1864. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sheffield_Flood FOLD Isabel Jane 12th March 1864 Died in the Sheffield Flood of the 11th/12th March 1864. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sheffield_Flood FOLD Abel Margaret 27th March 1902 64 FOLD Henry William 20

Hi Christine Although he has an apprentice in the same household in 1841, it does not necessarily mean he was his apprentice, as you know that information was not recorded in 1841, many people had lodgers or boarders , even those with a servant (many were more or less a general dogsbody than a maid or servant as we know them) Just a thought Looking in the Directories of the period I could not see a William BENSON as a stationer, there was a Thomas Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Ruth, Judy and All, > > Many thanks to Ruth and Judy. I did not mention I had him and what he did in 1851 as I was not > sure it was the same person but then noticed he was living in the same place so that pretty well > makes it certain. Yes Ruth, something appears to have happened to set him back but he is described > later in life as an annuitant and later living on own means so it appears he recovered. But what > happened will probably forever remain a mystery. > > Thanks again, > > Christine

There are plenty of William Bensons on the National Archives site. He 'may' be one of those. Otherwise you can also try the Times Digital Archives, and the London Gazette. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Benson" <christinebenson313@btinternet.com> To: "Ruth Appleby" <orange.wasps@live.co.uk>; <jlester@btinternet.com>; <london@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON > Hi Ruth, Judy and All, > > Many thanks to Ruth and Judy. I did not mention I had him and what he did > in 1851 as I was not sure it was the same person but then noticed he was > living in the same place so that pretty well makes it certain. Yes Ruth, > something appears to have happened to set him back but he is described > later in life as an annuitant and later living on own means so it appears > he recovered. But what happened will probably forever remain a mystery. > > Thanks again, > > Christine > > From: Ruth Appleby > Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:18 PM > To: jlester@btinternet.com ; christinebenson313@btinternet.com ; > london@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON > > I agree with Judy - on the 1851 he is a Stationer's Assistant, although he > appears to have had an Apprentice in 1841 so I wonder what happened? > > Ruth in Hampshire > > >> From: jlester@btinternet.com >> To: christinebenson313@btinternet.com; LONDON@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:13:59 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON >> >> Hi Christine, >> >> I read his occupation as Stationer. >> >> HTH >> >> Judy >> London, UK >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Christine Benson >> >> I am trying to decipher the occupation of William (written as Willm) >> BENSON >> (birth year given 1806) with probable spouse Elizabeth on the 1841 >> census >> (piece 677, book 14(/6) page 5). >> >> Can anyone read it? >> >> Any guesses gratefully received. >> >> Christine > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ruth, Judy and All, Many thanks to Ruth and Judy. I did not mention I had him and what he did in 1851 as I was not sure it was the same person but then noticed he was living in the same place so that pretty well makes it certain. Yes Ruth, something appears to have happened to set him back but he is described later in life as an annuitant and later living on own means so it appears he recovered. But what happened will probably forever remain a mystery. Thanks again, Christine From: Ruth Appleby Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:18 PM To: jlester@btinternet.com ; christinebenson313@btinternet.com ; london@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON I agree with Judy - on the 1851 he is a Stationer's Assistant, although he appears to have had an Apprentice in 1841 so I wonder what happened? Ruth in Hampshire > From: jlester@btinternet.com > To: christinebenson313@btinternet.com; LONDON@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:13:59 +0100 > Subject: Re: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON > > Hi Christine, > > I read his occupation as Stationer. > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Christine Benson > > I am trying to decipher the occupation of William (written as Willm) > BENSON > (birth year given 1806) with probable spouse Elizabeth on the 1841 > census > (piece 677, book 14(/6) page 5). > > Can anyone read it? > > Any guesses gratefully received. > > Christine

I agree with Judy - on the 1851 he is a Stationer's Assistant, although he appears to have had an Apprentice in 1841 so I wonder what happened? Ruth in Hampshire > From: jlester@btinternet.com > To: christinebenson313@btinternet.com; LONDON@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:13:59 +0100 > Subject: Re: [LON] Occupation of William BENSON > > Hi Christine, > > I read his occupation as Stationer. > > HTH > > Judy > London, UK > > -----Original Message----- > From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Christine Benson > > I am trying to decipher the occupation of William (written as Willm) > BENSON > (birth year given 1806) with probable spouse Elizabeth on the 1841 > census > (piece 677, book 14(/6) page 5). > > Can anyone read it? > > Any guesses gratefully received. > > Christine > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Christine, I read his occupation as Stationer. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christine Benson I am trying to decipher the occupation of William (written as Willm) BENSON (birth year given 1806) with probable spouse Elizabeth on the 1841 census (piece 677, book 14(/6) page 5). Can anyone read it? Any guesses gratefully received. Christine

Hi All, I am trying to decipher the occupation of William (written as Willm) BENSON (birth year given 1806) with probable spouse Elizabeth on the 1841 census (piece 677, book 14(/6) page 5). Can anyone read it? Any guesses gratefully received. Christine

I wrote > HTH > Riger Lovegrove Fine genealogist I'd make: I can't even get my own name right. Roger Lovegrove Please do visit the LOVEGROVE Information Centre on http://www.lovegrove.f9.co.uk/ons/ For information about the Guild of One-Name Studies, or to see if a member is researching your surname of interest, go to http://www.one-name.org

I've got only questions rather than answers. Food for thought, really. All three addresses are within spitting distence of one-another. Looking at what seems to be 3 Devonshire Place (it isn't numbered) and 79 Albany Street in Google Streetview, the latter is much more modest and may have been a shop or other small business. If you'll excuse the pun, I am hard put to it to imagine the Resident of the former being seen dead at the latter unless she had fallen on (relatively) hard times. She may, of course, have been taken there in an emergency -if she had been taken ill or had an accidenet in the street, for instance. Do the censuses show 3 Devonshire Place as a shared-occupancy building with several families? That would make sense. About a month ago, you posted a similar query on the Middlesex List, where you said that when she died she was described as living at 79 Albany Street, but you didn't say where she died. Here, you say that that's where she died but do not say where she was living. Clarity is needed, please. What class of person are we talking about: moneyed, middle or serving? The contents of the wills would be a clue. She would have been about age 32 in 1821. Under what circumstances could a 32 year old be described as residing anywhere for 'many years since'? That seems too young to me. Bearing in mind the posting from Judy, are you sure she wasn't 10 years older? Since 1841 ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years, the age of the Ann that Judy gives would then be right, and the description of 'many years since' could be much more appropriate. I assume she never married, otherwise you wouldn't have been looking for her birth under that name. How do you know? Does her will name any relatives? As I said, just food for thought. HTH Riger Lovegrove Please do visit the LOVEGROVE Information Centre on http://www.lovegrove.f9.co.uk/ons/ For information about the Guild of One-Name Studies, or to see if a member is researching your surname of interest, go to http://www.one-name.org > -----Original Message----- > From: David Railton [mailto:railton.david@btinternet.com] > Sent: 08 October 2011 19:34 > To: MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK@rootsweb.com; LONDON > Subject: [LON] Surname GRAIN > > Ann GRAIN was a beneficiary of a will dated 1821 which > described her as > '.now and many years since residing at No 3 Devonshire Street Portland > Place.' In her own will of 1850 she describes herself as ".late of > Devonshire Street, Portland Place but now of Charles Street, > Manchester > Square.". > > > > Ann died in 1853. Based on the age given on her death > certificate she would > have been born in 1788/89. Her place of death is given as 79 > Albany Street > Regents Park although the Death Duty Register shows it as 79 > Upper Albion > Street, Regents Park. I can find no trace of her in the 1841 > or 1851 census > either by searching her name and possible variants or any of these > addresses. > > > > The only Ann Grain I can find of about the right age was born in > Leicestershire but this does not appear to be her. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > > > David > > > > >

David, I wonder if this is any use? 1841 census HO107/675 bk 3 folio 7 page 7 4 Carburton Street, Marylebone Ann GREIN 40 Ind N Admittedly her age is a little out, but it's the right sort of area. Carburton Street runs east off Great Portland Street, very close to Devonshire Street. There are others occupying separate parts of the same house, so you will probably want to take a look for yourself. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:middlesex_county_uk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Railton Ann GRAIN was a beneficiary of a will dated 1821 which described her as '.now and many years since residing at No 3 Devonshire Street Portland Place.' In her own will of 1850 she describes herself as ".late of Devonshire Street, Portland Place but now of Charles Street, Manchester Square.". Ann died in 1853. Based on the age given on her death certificate she would have been born in 1788/89. Her place of death is given as 79 Albany Street Regents Park although the Death Duty Register shows it as 79 Upper Albion Street, Regents Park. I can find no trace of her in the 1841 or 1851 census either by searching her name and possible variants or any of these addresses. The only Ann Grain I can find of about the right age was born in Leicestershire but this does not appear to be her. Does anyone have any ideas? David

Ann GRAIN was a beneficiary of a will dated 1821 which described her as '.now and many years since residing at No 3 Devonshire Street Portland Place.' In her own will of 1850 she describes herself as ".late of Devonshire Street, Portland Place but now of Charles Street, Manchester Square.". Ann died in 1853. Based on the age given on her death certificate she would have been born in 1788/89. Her place of death is given as 79 Albany Street Regents Park although the Death Duty Register shows it as 79 Upper Albion Street, Regents Park. I can find no trace of her in the 1841 or 1851 census either by searching her name and possible variants or any of these addresses. The only Ann Grain I can find of about the right age was born in Leicestershire but this does not appear to be her. Does anyone have any ideas? David