Hello List, Help Please.... JAMES ROBERTSON died Dec. Quarter Dist. Holborn 1847. He was aged between 45-50yrs. Bookbinder. His daughter MARGARET Douglas M. Robertson was born St. Andrews Holborn 1846. There were 2 entries for Deaths - Dec. Quarter Dist. Holborn 1847 - James Robertson. 1. As seen on Ancestry.com.uk was an 82 yrs. Inmate of the Workhouse. 2.???? Could someone please find the particulars of the 2nd James Robertson, as that's my man!! Why would he not be on the London Burials like No. 1............ Any help very much appreciated.

Thomas Henry THORPE was born 1862 at Prahan (suburb of Melbourne), Victoria, Australia. After his father's death 1866 he went to England with his mother and 2 siblings 1871 he is living with his mother in Befordshire 1881 he is living with his mother at West Hartlpool, Durham His mother and sibblings returned to Australia 1887 and he is said to have stayed in London He married Alice Jane SIMMONDS 1894, his wife and children are living at Hartlpool 1901 & 1911   I can find no sign of him on the census 1891, 1901 & 1911 and need some help please   Helen

Answered off-list as no London connection. Anne On 2 Nov 2011, at 05:15, LORI ADKINS wrote: > Hello, > > For some unknown reason I cannot read the images on Ancestry.com > > Could someone please be kind enough to tell me what the crime was and the date of execution or release for..... > > Thomas GARLICK > Age: 20 > Birth: Abt 1826 > Date Trial: 6 Jul 1846 > Trial Year: 1846 > Location of Trial: Yorkshire, West Riding. > Sentence: Imprisonment > > Does this document tell who the parents are and where this man was born? Thank you so much. > > Kind Regards > Lori

"Looking for any details on a Walter H Whitley, appears in the 1901 census, Bermondesy London aged 1. I have two pictures painted by him which I received from my mother bedore she died in 2007 aged 102. The story goes that his family were fishmongers but well off. Walter would insist on playing his violin on the streets which was a embarrassment to his family, so Walter was places in a home(aslyum). their he disappears from the scene. Any ideas more than welcome. Timothy Wing"

Hello, For some unknown reason I cannot read the images on Ancestry.com Could someone please be kind enough to tell me what the crime was and the date of execution or release for..... Thomas GARLICK Age: 20 Birth: Abt 1826 Date Trial: 6 Jul 1846 Trial Year: 1846 Location of Trial: Yorkshire, West Riding. Sentence: Imprisonment Does this document tell who the parents are and where this man was born? Thank you so much. Kind Regards Lori

Hi List, Recently in London and to avoid the crowds, chose to visit some lesser known museums and galleries. The Foundling Museum is between the British Museum and the British Library at 40 Brunswick Square, Bloomsbury and is well worth a visit. Beautifully curated and tells the story of the Foundling Hospital created by Thomas Coram. I shed a tear or two! Check out the website: www.foundlingmuseum.org.uk To rest your weary feet, there is a very nice cafe attached - and, no crowds!! The walk to and from Russell Square was interesting around the back streets. I also spent some time looking up records at the Greenwich Hiistory Centre located in the grounds of the Woolwich Arsenal - another interesting and out of the way location and accessible by Thames Ferry which is a lovely way to travel. Cheers!.......Judy. Perth. W.Australia

Hi Bev Bethnal House was a licensed asylum which took both private patients and patients paid for by their local board of guardians. So far as I am aware, no patient records survive. If your ancestor is likely to have been a pauper inmate, your best bet is to try and seek out records of his/her referral to Bethnal House from the relevant poor law union. To have required admission to an asylum, your ancestor would probably have been insane (i.e. suffering from a serious mental illness) or been an imbecile (what we would now call having a learning disability), either to the extent that they were regarded as a danger to themselves or others, or because their family were unable to care for them (or there was no family). A private patient might have been sent there for lesser reasons. To read more about Bethnal House, go to http://studymore.org.uk/3_06.htm#Bethnal Green. Hope this helps Caroline > > Dear List, > Someone mentioned Bethnal House Asylum. Does anyone know > if records exist for the 1860-70s? If so where would I find them? What > would be the criteria for someone to be put in an asylum at that time? > > Thanks > Bev

Hi Nivard, I think all the Tawell families in Earls Colne in Essex, would be related. I went looking for John Fairbank and Isabella Bethia Fairbank (Tawell nee Blyth) on the 1851 Census, and could not find them. However, I did find them on the 1861 Census. So at a guess, they may have been Down Under at the time, as her first husband would have had investments and properties in New South Wales. I then entered Isabella Bethia Fairbank into Google and I found a lady by that name buried on 14th Sept 1865 in the Abney Park Cemetery. There a lots of Fairbanks buried there, however John is not with her. On the Free BDM she is registered as Isabel in the deaths. I was also hoping to find that Isabella and Dr. John Downing TAWELL may have had children, as they were married for 10 years before his death in 1843. It does not look like they had any children. Dr John and Isabella were embarked on the "Chares Kerr" on 27th February 1838 in Sydney returning to London. Isabella is not with John on the 1841 Census, though I could not see her being Down Under in 1841 by herself either, though she could have been. ambe staying with family friends. I also could not find them in 1851, however I found them in 1861 living Camberwell, Surrey. John is 43 born in Yorkshire and Isabella is 49 born in London. I opened the hand written page 51, to see if John was still a Chemist, however I cannot find them on that page nor the ones either side. Regards, Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "Janice Doughty" <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au>; <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [LON] TAWELL FAMILY marriages. > Hi Janice > > I can't help with William Henrys marriage (perhaps in Australia?) > > But for John Downing

From memory I think that there were quite a few aslyums in Surrey - Cane Hill; Netherne; St Lawrence's, Caterham; Banstead. There were more in the Epsom area as well. Mal.

My grandmother's first husband appears in the 1901 census at the Bethnal House Aslyum. His home address had been in Hampstead. Mal in W Australia

Dear List, Someone mentioned Bethnal House Asylum. Does anyone know if records exist for the 1860-70s? If so where would I find them? What would be the criteria for someone to be put in an asylum at that time? Thanks Bev

My gt-grandmother was also on Cane Hill, and she came from Bermondsey. Interestingly, she was earlier detained at the county asylum in Bishops' Stortford, Herts. There is a new book on Cane Hill, by Pam Buttley; it makes clear patients came from all over south London, and sometimes beyond. Valerie in Sheffield UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristen den Hartog" <kdenhartog@sympatico.ca> To: "'Nettie Edwards'" <net@nettieweb.co.uk>; "'Phyllis Bartlett'" <p.bartlett8@iinet.net.au> Cc: "'London List'" <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [LON] Asylums > My great grandmother was in Cane Hill too. She died there in 1917, and had > been living in the Boro, Southwark. Phyllis, do you know anything about > your > great grandmother's time there? I'd be curious! > Kristen in Toronto, Canada > > > -----Original Message----- > From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:london-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Nettie Edwards > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:16 PM > To: Phyllis Bartlett > Cc: London List > Subject: Re: [LON] Asylums > > Possibly Cane Hill? > My great grandmother was living in Putney and that's where she ended up. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 30 Oct 2011, at 11:15, "Phyllis Bartlett" <p.bartlett8@iinet.net.au> > wrote: > >> If someone was living in Vauxhall London in the 1910s and was admitted to > an >> Asylum, would any Lister know where he/she would be sent to?' >> >> Phyllis Bartlett >> Queensland, Aust. >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! >> >> Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on > the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4584 - Release Date: 10/30/11 > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list > on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for > matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning Listers, I cannot thank Nivard and Maureen enough. Thank you so much for such wonderful information. I never expected that so much information could be found. Also, please accept my apologies for so many typos, I hit the send button before I had proof read my post. Cheers, Janice Belrose - Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: "Janice Doughty" <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au>; <LONDON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [LON] TAWELL FAMILY marriages. > Hi Janice > > I can't help with William Henrys marriage (perhaps in Australia?) > > But for John Downing > > London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 > about John Downing Towell > Name: John Downing Towell > Spouse Name: Isabella Bethia Blyth > Record Type: Marriage *by licence* > Marriage Date: 09 Nov 1833 > Parish: St Mary, Newington > County: Surrey > Borough: Southwark > Witnesses Richard ROBERTS & Emma Marina WATSON > >

Hi Eve You are quite correct regarding the maiden name >From her marriage in 1882 1882 Marriage solemnized at the Church in the Parish of St James the Great in the County of Middlesex Sept 24th 1882 Charles Thomas MOORE full (age) Bachelor Labourer Bethnal Green George MOORE Deceased Ellen LEWIS full (age) widow Bethnal Green Thomas SMITH Deceased Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by Banns by me Fr BIRCH Charles MOORE made his mark X Ellen LEWIS signed In the presence of Edwin Charles FAULKNER X and Delilah FAULKNER X (both made their mark) Have you found her in previous census ? ie 1861, 71 & 81 ? I have found an Eleanor SMITH with father Thomas she is born Little Waltham circa 1854, but do not find her in 71 or in 1881 (presumably by that time a LEWIS ?) Is the Harry MOORE hers? If so was she waiting for her first husband to die before marrying Charles perhaps Although she may be in an asylum somewhere (often under initials only) isn't it possible she went off with the milkman There is this E M of the right age but no POB 1891 England Census about E M Name: E M Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Patient Gender: Female Civil parish: Friern Barnet Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Barnet Sub-registration district: Finchley ED, institution, or vessel: London County Asylum Neighbors: Piece: 1058 Folio: 117 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age <snip> E M 38 married dressmaker (female no place of birth given) <snip> RG12; Piece: 1058; Folio 117; Page 16; GSU roll: 6096168. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi All > Maybe while you are in the "Asylum Mood" someone could give me a suggestion about my > Gt.Grandmother which has been a brickwall for many years. > Eleanor/Ellen Smith was born 16/6/1854 Little Waltham Essex. She Married Charles Moore in Bethnal > Green 24/9/1882 her children were. Harry Moore 6/5/1876 Frederick 30/11/1882 and Emily Jane > 6/1/1885. In 1891 Charles Moore said he was a widower with the 3 kids in Islington London. I have > purchased all the London DC's from 1885 to 1891 and none of them are her. My guess is that maybe > she suffered from PostPartum depression and he put her in an Asylum. But which one would it be > from Islington 1885-1891?? On Emily Janes BC it says Ellen Moore nee Smith late Lewis. so must > have married a Lewis before Charles Moore. I would like to lay her to rest but I need to find her > death, any help would be appreciated. Thanks Eve (Canada now)

Hi Dave Yes it is National The closure is from the last entry in that register , so even if your persons record is over 100 years it may still be closed However most archives/records offices are able to copy the part relevant to your person in the above situation, redacting the parts that do not apply Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Would that be a national ruling? > My gg grandmother died in Denbigh asylum in 1911. > David > > Sent from my iPod > > On 30 Oct 2011, at 19:45, <kamcameron@hetnet.nl> wrote: > >> by the way, patient records are sealed for 100 years >> >> Kam

If someone was living in Vauxhall London in the 1910s and was admitted to an Asylum, would any Lister know where he/she would be sent to?' Phyllis Bartlett Queensland, Aust.

by the way, patient records are sealed for 100 years Kam ________________________________ From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Phyllis Bartlett Sent: Sun 30/10/2011 12:15 To: London List Subject: [LON] Asylums If someone was living in Vauxhall London in the 1910s and was admitted to an Asylum, would any Lister know where he/she would be sent to?' Phyllis Bartlett Queensland, Aust. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried to find him/her on the 1911 census? My g.grandfather lived in Deptford (Greenwich), also south of the Thames, and was admitted to Horton Asylum nr. Epsom Surrey about 1910. Cane Hill, also in Surrey was woefully overcrowded and the estate at Horton was bought and very quickly used for patients in temporary accomodation while more was built. It opened in 1902. have a look at http://www.countyasylums.com/mentalasylums/london.htm good hunting, Kam ________________________________ From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Phyllis Bartlett Sent: Sun 30/10/2011 12:15 To: London List Subject: [LON] Asylums If someone was living in Vauxhall London in the 1910s and was admitted to an Asylum, would any Lister know where he/she would be sent to?' Phyllis Bartlett Queensland, Aust. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All Maybe while you are in the "Asylum Mood" someone could give me a suggestion about my Gt.Grandmother which has been a brickwall for many years. Eleanor/Ellen Smith was born 16/6/1854 Little Waltham Essex. She Married Charles Moore in Bethnal Green 24/9/1882 her children were. Harry Moore 6/5/1876 Frederick 30/11/1882 and Emily Jane 6/1/1885. In 1891 Charles Moore said he was a widower with the 3 kids in Islington London. I have purchased all the London DC's from 1885 to 1891 and none of them are her. My guess is that maybe she suffered from PostPartum depression and he put her in an Asylum. But which one would it be from Islington 1885-1891?? On Emily Janes BC it says Ellen Moore nee Smith late Lewis. so must have married a Lewis before Charles Moore. I would like to lay her to rest but I need to find her death, any help would be appreciated. Thanks Eve (Canada now)

Would that be a national ruling? My gg grandmother died in Denbigh asylum in 1911. David Sent from my iPod On 30 Oct 2011, at 19:45, <kamcameron@hetnet.nl> wrote: > by the way, patient records are sealed for 100 years > > Kam > > ________________________________ > > From: london-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Phyllis Bartlett > Sent: Sun 30/10/2011 12:15 > To: London List > Subject: [LON] Asylums > > > > If someone was living in Vauxhall London in the 1910s and was admitted to an > Asylum, would any Lister know where he/she would be sent to?' > > Phyllis Bartlett > Queensland, Aust. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html . Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: LONDON-admin@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LONDON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message